From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #422 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 422 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Buckley and Starsailor NJC [Jason Maloney ] Re: Old Videos on the Internet [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The attack (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Old Videos on the Internet [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: An American Voice - NJC ["Australian Seashells" ] Re: Buckley and Starsailor NJC ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: Pooptunes? What's that? [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: Pooptunes? What's that? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Pooptunes? What's that? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] "Poopy" Joni picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [Jerry Notaro ] RE: "Poopy" Joni picture ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: "Poopy" Joni picture [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [jan ] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [Mark Domyancich ] Re: thoughts (njc) ["Kakki" ] Version of "For Free" on ROTR [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: "Poopy" Joni picture [hell@ihug.co.nz] The Old Grey Whistle Test [pyramus@lineone.net] Follow-up FYI (NJC) [Janene Otten ] Re: thoughts njc ["Kakki" ] Lincoln's words (njc) ["shane mattison" ] HEY SPORTS FANS! NJC ["gene mock" ] RE: thoughts njc (the Kakki/Kate debate) ;~) ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: thoughts njc (the Kakki/Kate debate) ;~) ["Kakki" ] Re: The attack (NJC) ["Jenaya Dawe" ] Re: The Old Grey Whistle Test NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: poptoones [] RE: thoughts njc (the Kakki/Kate debate) ;~) ["Kate Bennett" Subject: Re: Buckley and Starsailor NJC Hi Brenda, Good Souls is the best-known Starsailor song, and the most commercial of their 3 singles to date. It was released in April, a couple of months after their debut EP, Fever (which I actually have grown to prefer). It's their 3rd single, the brief and intense Alcoholic, which is out this week in the UK, with the album - Love Is Here - due to follow on October 8th. I'm eagerly looking forward to hearing the whole album, as they are possibly the most promising new band to emerge this year (just ahead of Turin Brakes and Kings Of Conveneince). Jason. http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk Brenda J. Walker wrote: > > So I've been hearing this song "Good Souls" on college radio alot > lately. It's performed by Starsailor (named after the Tim Buckley > album) and it's quite good I think. > > Anyone heard the rest of the album? I hear it was released this week > in the U.K. > > Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:23:35 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Videos on the Internet <> Nope, it was from her on-air appearance on KCRW, 10/25/94... Bob NP: (NEW) Tori Amos, "Real Men" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:31:17 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The attack (NJC) In a message dated 9/19/01 2:08:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ckarma@hotmail.com writes: > Some time soon, I'll regain the presence of mind to write some things about > having witnessed the attack on the World Trade Center from a window at 22nd > and 5th, and the resulting worldwide malaise which has understandably > affected all peoples. Chris, I'm so glad you posted, because I was worried about you!!! Has anyone heard from Bob Sartorius? He lives in Jersey, but works in NYC. Janene had emailed him and hasn't heard back yet. Bob, please check in. Thanks, Rose Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:31:50 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Old Videos on the Internet In a message dated 9/19/2001 1:45:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willytheshake100@hotmail.com writes: << Favourite Joni-look is around the Hissing time; least favourite around WTRF. Just a thought. >> Wasn't the dental butchery to have about the time of WTRF? I recall Joni talking about being butchered by a dentist, but the chronology has never been clear. But some of the publicity shots for the music book of WTRF show Joni with a severe overbite and strange looking gums. Still, IMHO, my least favorite look is the permed hair circa DED. I was expecting to see her on The People's Court in "The Case of the Too Hot Rollers." Frightening SFKen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 03:50:14 +0800 From: "Australian Seashells" Subject: Re: An American Voice - NJC Dear Listers, my heartfelt thanks for your comments and news on what's happening in the US.. I live in Australia and seen from here the waves generated by last weeks events in NYC and Washington are leaving no more room for doubt that the consequences are global already. Perhaps there should be no more talk about Americans and those who aren't - because increasingly it looks like that won't matter anymore in the time to come. Any military response by America and it's allies in this will have grave consequences for everyone - regardless where. What happened a week ago is so incredibly sad that I believe this will be known as one of the most disgusting things with evil intent humans ever did to each other. What is almost equally sad for me is the shortsightedness of those who cry out for quick revenge. The people in and around the targeted buildings and planes died only because they just happened to be there or were doing their jobs - they were innocent - . If you drop a "bomb" on Afghanistan or any other region, the exact same thing will happen again. What have we been taught? Is it alway going to be an eye for an eye or wasn't there something else? This is kindergarten stuff! We should be a bit more grown up, surely? Besides this - isn't it obvious that something of this size wasn't only pulled off to show it could be done - as much as it looks like it at first. Anyone with half a brain can see that America getting into gear like it's doing now was the planned, foreseen and INTENDED result. And why all this? Terrorists like bin Laden & Co have been working hard for years and years trying to get any subversive grouping of any description anywhere under one hat - not very successfully. Nonetheless they've been hard at work, trying to convince with (dirty tricks and lots of blood), both Eastern and Western governments that it's a case of "Us" against "Them" - preferably with all the Western countries on the other side. Drawing lines on the map is what they want. With America going to war against anyone aiding bin Laden & Co, Thousands will flock to the terrorists' cause, that's inevitable... "Muslim" countries will react predictably - I don't think Islam or any other religion is anything but a handy means to an end in this process, by the way - the same chain of hypocrisy, denounciation, misery and intimidation happened i.e. during the (religion-free) "cultural revolution" in China. Poor, starving, uneducated and suppressed people are ideal recruitment material for terrorists. After some brainwashing sessions, those recruits will do what they're told. I just hope and pray that the reports in the US news are deliberate misinformation of the public to appease those who cry for vengeance, while the real action is happening under cover elsewhere.. Bush has my heartfelt symphathy - he is in such a difficult situation - as he can't quietly do the right and sensible thing (going after the individual suspects - and eventually their whole network - with cunning, patience and stealth, no media for obvious reasons) without having the American public at his throat screaming for action (not to mention what that would mean to his political career). Yet if he bows to public demand he gives the terrorists exactly what they wanted.. More innocent lives lost, this time killed by Americans and the terrorist ranks getting bigger as a result.. Don't think a guy like this bin Laden and his friends couldn't have figured that one out.. I can't help but worry, worry.. I just received this from a friend in Tasmania. It's by Mike Moore, an American: DEATH, DOWNTOWN > >Dear friends, > >I was supposed to fly today on the 4:30 PM American Airlines flight from >LAX to JFK. But tonight I find myself stuck in L.A. with an incredible >range of emotions over what has happened on the island where I work and >live in New York City. > >My wife and I spent the first hours of the day-after being awakened by >phone calls from our parents at 6:40am PT-trying to contact our daughter >at school in New York and our friend JoAnn who works near the World Trade >Center. > >I called JoAnn at her office. As someone picked up, the first tower >imploded, and the person answering the phone screamed and ran out, leaving >me no clue as to whether or not she or JoAnn would live. > >It was a sick, horrible, frightening day. > >On December 27, 1985 I found myself caught in the middle of a terrorist >incident at the Vienna airport-which left 30 people dead, both there and >at the Rome airport. (The machine-gunning of passengers in each city was >timed to occur at the same moment.) > >I do not feel like discussing that event tonight because it still brings up >too much despair and confusion as to how and why I got to live... a fluke, > >mistake, a few feet on the tarmac, and I am still here, there but for the >grace of... > >Safe. Secure. I'm an American, living in America. I like my illusions. I >walk through a metal detector, I put my carry-ons through an x-ray machine, >and I know all will be well. > >Here's a short list of my experiences lately with airport security: > >* At the Newark Airport, the plane is late at boarding everyone. The >counter can't find my seat. So I am told to just "go ahead and get on"- >without a ticket! > >* At Detroit Metro Airport, I don't want to put the lunch I just bought at >the deli through the x-ray machine so, as I pass through the metal >detector, I hand the sack to the guard through the space between the >detector and the x-ray machine. I tell him "It's just a sandwich." He >believes me and doesn't bother to check. The sack has gone through neither >security device. > >* At LaGuardia in New York, I check a piece of luggage, but decide to catch >a later plane. The first plane leaves without me, but with my bag-no one >knowing what is in it. > >* Back in Detroit, I take my time getting off the commuter plane. By the >time I have come down its stairs, the bus that takes the passengers to the >terminal has left-without me. I am alone on the tarmac, free to wander >wherever I want. So I do. Eventually, I flag down a pick-up truck and an >airplane mechanic gives me a ride the rest of the way to the terminal. > >* I have brought knives, razors; and once, my traveling companion brought a >hammer and chisel. No one stopped us. > >Of course, I have gotten away with all of this because the airlines >consider my safety SO important, they pay rent-a-cops $5.75 an hour to make >sure the bad guys don't get on my plane. That is what my life is worth- >less than the cost of an oil change. > >Too harsh, you say? Well, chew on this: a first-year pilot on American >Eagle (the commuter arm of American Airlines) receives around $15,000 a >year in annual pay. > >That's right -- $15,000 for the person who has your life in his hands. >Until recently, Continental Express paid a little over $13,000 a year. >There was one guy, an American Eagle pilot, who had four kids so he went >down to the welfare office and applied for food stamps-and he was >eligible! > >Someone on welfare is flying my plane? Is this for real? Yes, it is. > >So spare me the talk about all the precautions the airlines and the FAA is >taking. They, like all businesses, are concerned about one thing-the >bottom line and the profit margin. > >Four teams of 3-5 people were all able to penetrate airport security on the >same morning at 3 different airports and pull off this heinous act? My only >response is-that's all? > >Well, the pundits are in full diarrhea mode, gushing on about the >"terrorist threat" and today's scariest dude on planet earth-Osama bin >Laden. Hey, who knows, maybe he did it. But, something just doesn't add up. > >Am I being asked to believe that this guy who sleeps in a tent in a desert >has been training pilots to fly our most modern, sophisticated jumbo jets >with such pinpoint accuracy that they are able to hit these three targets >without anyone wondering why these planes were so far off path? > >Or am I being asked to believe that there were four religious/political >fanatics who JUST HAPPENED to be skilled airline pilots who JUST HAPPENED >to want to kill themselves today? > >Maybe you can find one jumbo jet pilot willing to die for the cause-but >FOUR? Ok, maybe you can-I don't know. > >What I do know is that all day long I have heard everything about this bin >Laden guy except this one fact-WE created the monster known as Osama bin >Laden! > >Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA! > >Don't take my word for it-I saw a piece on MSNBC last year that laid it >all out. When the Soviet Union occupied Afghanistan, the CIA trained him >and his buddies in how to commits acts of terrorism against the Soviet >forces. It worked! The Soviets turned and ran. Bin Laden was grateful for >what we taught him and thought it might be fun to use those same techniques >against us. > >We abhor terrorism-unless we're the ones doing the terrorizing. > >We paid and trained and armed a group of terrorists in Nicaragua in the >1980s who killed over 30,000 civilians. That was OUR work. You and me. >Thirty thousand murdered civilians and who the hell even remembers! > >We fund a lot of oppressive regimes that have killed a lot of innocent >people, and we never let the human suffering THAT causes to interrupt our >day one single bit. > >We have orphaned so many children, tens of thousands around the world, with >our taxpayer-funded terrorism (in Chile, in Vietnam, in Gaza, in Salvador) >that I suppose we shouldn't be too surprised when those orphans grow up and >are a little whacked in the head from the horror we have helped cause. > >Yet, our recent domestic terrorism bombings have not been conducted by a >guy from the desert but rather by our own citizens: a couple of ex-military >guys who hated the federal government. > > From the first minutes of today's events, I never heard that possibility >suggested. Why is that? > >Maybe it's because the A-rabs are much better foils. A key ingredient in >getting Americans whipped into a frenzy against a new enemy is the >all-important race card. It's much easier to get us to hate when the object >of our hatred doesn't look like us. > >Congressmen and Senators spent the day calling for more money for the >military; one Senator on CNN even said he didn't want to hear any more talk >about more money for education or health care-we should have only one >priority: our self-defense. > >Will we ever get to the point that we realize we will be more secure when >the rest of the world isn't living in poverty so we can have nice running >shoes? > >In just 8 months, Bush gets the whole world back to hating us again. He >withdraws from the Kyoto agreement, walks us out of the Durban conference >on racism, insists on restarting the arms race-you name it, and Baby >Bush has blown it all. > >The Senators and Congressmen tonight broke out in a spontaneous version of >"God Bless America." They're not a bad group of singers! > >Yes, God, please do bless us. > >Many families have been devastated tonight. This just is not right. They >did not deserve to die. If someone did this to get back at Bush, then they >did so by killing thousands of people who DID NOT VOTE for him! Boston, New >York, DC, and the planes' destination of California-these were places >that voted AGAINST Bush! > >Why kill them? Why kill anyone? Such insanity... > >Let's mourn, let's grieve, and when it's appropriate let's examine our >contribution to the unsafe world we live in. > >It doesn't have to be like this... > >Yours, > >Michael Moore _______________________________ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:36:00 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pooptunes? What's that? <> That's not the official title, Tyler...I think "Poptunes" is the label it's released on. It's a bootleg called "Girls In the Valley" or something like that. It's just some of her earlier songs rearranged on a CD. I've seen it available on E-Bay and on the 'net. It features a gruesome caricature of Joni on the front. Don't worry, this is one boat you' DON'T want to book passage on! ;~) Bob NP: Tori, "Strange Little Girl" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:04:05 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: (L)use your illusion???? hi >>lama wrote >>(who always "heard", >> 'love bandits caught asunder' >> but of course that's lousy cause the next line uses asunder. had a similar experience a couple of days ago - i pulled out "court & spark" and was listening to it for the first time on my new hi-fi, which just replaced my faithful, 15 year old technics. suddenly i *heard* the line: "A little money riding on the Maple Leafs" so, for the last 20 years ive been hearing that as: "A little money riding on a make believe" but, to be qquite honest, i preferred my old version... :) ron ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:23:28 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re: Buckley and Starsailor NJC > So I've been hearing this song "Good Souls" on college radio alot lately. It's performed by > Starsailor (named after the Tim Buckley album) and it's quite good I think. > > Anyone heard the rest of the album? I hear it was released this week in the U.K. You're a bit early, Brenda. It gets released here Oct 8, so I'll let you know after the 6th. Bill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:26:51 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Pooptunes? What's that? SCBob said: >>That's not the official title, Tyler...I think "Poptunes" is the label it's released on. It's a bootleg called "Girls In the Valley" or something like that. It's just some of her earlier songs rearranged on a CD. I've seen it available on E-Bay and on the 'net. It features a gruesome caricature of Joni on the front. Don't worry, this is one boat you' DON'T want to book passage on! ;~)<< I agree with that! Its actually the entire LOTC album rearranged (track listing, I mean), which is why I found it so strange. It didn't borrow from several albums from the period, it just threw out the original art and mixed the order up. The LOTC album cover is one of my very earliest memories; it was burned into my psyche as a very small child...I loved it. It really grossed me out to see that garish drawing that makes JM look kind of like Mr. Ed as a replacement. Horrors! Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:35:07 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Pooptunes? What's that? <> Same as that other bootleg called "Ghosts", which features the LOTC songs in a different order. Like it's some kind of "Alternate LOTC" or something... And I agree with you on the cover artwork, Reuben. Very pretty in its simple images. And at least ONE JMDL'er stitched the LOTC artwork in a blouse, very nice job too! (Hi Linda M.!);~) Bob NP: Marian Russell/Chris Marshall, "In France They Kiss On Main Street" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:50:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Pooptunes? What's that? njc so that's why i always find all those awful cd's between bellini and beethoven!!!!!!! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Tyler Hewitt Enviado el: Miircoles, 19 de Septiembre de 2001 01:30 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Pooptunes? What's that? I took the copies and hid them in the classical section. I am deeply insulted by this CD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:50:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2002 (NJC) sepstein@agmont.com writes: << PS can I have the room with you and Sal this year? Sorry Smurf, Jimmy and Paz! >> Stephen, I'm sorry to have to say that you'll just have to battle it out with Smurphy and Paz. I just got word from the director of A.C.T., that our major benefit for the abused counseling treatment center is in fact on August 24th, so a big boo hoo for me :~( Now I'll have to hope that an LA fest will materialize! (Kakki - help!!!) Jimmy (trying for the first time in over two years to relearn digest mode) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:55:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Old Videos on the Internet she looks so terrible on the fiction and the good friends videos. i was just thinking how she remained so thin for so many years and then she just seemed to BLOAT irrepressibly. [this from a 240# bear!!!!] - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de KJHSF@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 19 de Septiembre de 2001 03:32 p.m. Para: willytheshake100@hotmail.com CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Old Videos on the Internet In a message dated 9/19/2001 1:45:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time, willytheshake100@hotmail.com writes: << Favourite Joni-look is around the Hissing time; least favourite around WTRF. Just a thought. >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:58:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: "Poopy" Joni picture OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Bob NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:06:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. > > http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi > > Bob > > NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" Yikes. She looks like Mick Jagger!. I have this cd. Bought it at Ross for just a few bucks. Has been around for years. Not only LOTC same songs, but a much poorer recording. Just called Joni Mitchell and the crazy caricature is from the cover, a black and white photo a la Hejira. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:06:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "Poopy" Joni picture lordy!!!! she looks like carol burnett with a toothache! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 19 de Septiembre de 2001 04:59 p.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: "Poopy" Joni picture OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact. Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Bob NP: Marian Russell, "Just Like This Train" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:11:16 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: "Poopy" Joni picture Maybe it's the love child of Mick & Carol! LOL! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 13:38:20 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture At 03:58 PM 9/19/01 -0400, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. >http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact .Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi Looks like Joni swallowed Mr. Peanut whole! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:00:46 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture Forget any comparisons!!! This is the one! Thanks for the laugh, Jan. Mark At 1:38 PM -0700 9/19/01, jan wrote: >At 03:58 PM 9/19/01 -0400, SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: >>OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't >work for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this >horse-headed Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. >>http://www.cybercd.de/sucheingang_d.htm?id=3ba8f8c28358291|cmd=query|qexact >.Artist=Mitchell,+Joni|qkonv.Artist=1|qwords.titel=Girls+In+The+Valley+-Digi > >Looks like Joni swallowed Mr. Peanut whole! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:11:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: thoughts (njc) Azeem wrote: > My personal answer is No, it isn't fair. It is by definition >racial prejudice. How can you tell if someone is a >Muslim? You might end up having to throw in Hindus as >well, as from skin colouring and physiognomy it can be > impossible to distinguish, say, a Pakistani from an >Indian. This may look facetious, but I'm being totally >serious. This has been proven here where many from other groups are being lumped in based on their appearance. A Hindu man who some creature thought was Arab was shot dead in Arizona a few days ago. Again, Azeem, it may not be of much solace to you, but I still believe most Americans are just as concerned about this as you are and think it's a hideous outfall from the tragedy. I don't know if you heard President Bush's speech regarding any backlash against Muslims here the other night at the mosque in Wash. D.C. but I wish I had a transcript of it to post everywhere. We all know Bush is rarely if ever eloquent or articulate, but in this case, I swear he was amazing. It was up right there with the Gettysburg Address to me! I pray these incidents stop. >In the wake of the tragedy, there have been remarks >made about isolationism and foreign policy (and I'm not >just talking about this list) which suggest, worryingly, that >it's irrelevant. Since this remark seems aimed at some of mine, let me clarify that I think what was done to us is indefensible and there can be no justification for it. There can be general reflection on what our government's involvement in the Middle East has been but I just cannot see where any of it is relevant as *justification* for what happened last week. And don't worry, painful questions will eventually be asked and debated and hashed out for years after we get back to normal. But we are nowhere near normal now. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:04:07 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Version of "For Free" on ROTR Hi, Bob (and everybody), I was given a lazerdisc of ROTR way back in '83. Only saw it once (long, boring story), but I seem to remember that the version of "For Free" had an extra bridge connecting verses that was repeated. Do I remember correctly? In any case, wherver I heard it, I liked it. walt ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 21:50:45 GMT From: hell@ihug.co.nz Subject: Re: "Poopy" Joni picture Bob wrote: > OK, I found a website with that awful caricature on it. If this doesn't work > for you, and you REALLY are chompin' at the bit to see this horse-headed > Joni, e-mail me privately and I'll send it to you. Must be some really creative people working for this company. How do you think they took "Ladies Of The Canyon" and came up with "Girls In The Valley"?! Incredible! Hell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:36:53 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: The Old Grey Whistle Test Regarding the 'The Old Grey Whistle Test' retrospective now showing in the U.K. on BBC2, I found an article on the BBC website with the presenter Bob Harris. In it he mentions Joni. The Whistle Test Years Q. Is there any band or artist you'd like to have appeared who didn't? A. There's a couple that I never met. I never met Bob Dylan and I would love to have met Joni Mitchell. I did see her at an concert she did for Radio 1, but she never actually came into the show, so that was a shame. Full article at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/inside/feat_whistle_interview.shtml Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:18:13 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: Follow-up FYI (NJC) I've decided to forward this letter from Mark Mays of Clear Channel published on RadioInk.com Peace - Janene - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - ---- (9/19/2001) Clear Channel Banned-Music List Makes It All The Way To Mark Mays, Who Decides To Comment About It. Floating around the Internet is a list of songs that were supposedly banned by all Clear Channel stations. Clear Channel confirmed yesterday that the story was only a rumor. Today, Clear Channel President/COO Mark Mays decided it was time to chime in. "In the wake of this terrible tragedy, the nation's business community is responding with a degree of hypersensitivity," explained Mays. "Even some movie companies have altered some of their release schedules in light of the mood in America today. Clear Channel strongly believes in the First Amendment and freedom of speech. We value and support the artist community. And we support our radio station programming staff and management team in their responsibility to respond to their local markets." The company also issued the following statement. "Clear Channel issued the following statement as a result of numerous stories, e-mails and calls concerning an alleged 'list of banned songs' on its U.S. radio stations following last week's tragedy in New York, Washington, D.C., and Pennsylvania. "Clear Channel Radio has not banned any songs from any of its radio stations. Clear Channel believes that radio is a local medium. It is up to every radio station program director and general manager to understand their market, listen to their listeners and guide their station's music selections according to local sensitivities. Each program director and general manager must take the pulse of his or her market to determine if play lists should be altered, and if so, for how long." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 14:24:48 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: thoughts njc Hi Kate, > But how do you view this piece as irresponsible? Scheer is a well-known editorial writer for the left. He is paid to slant his writing accordingly. I actually enjoy reading him because he is a very compelling writer, but I know not to take his word as impartial fact or gospel. I also have the same reaction to editorial writers from the far right. When I read this article all it seemed to broadcast to me was that Bush WAS the Taliban and an idiot to boot. If the name Clinton had been inserted instead of Bush I would have been equally revolted. It is irresponsible IMO because to anyone who knows nothing about our past 22 years' involvement with Afghanistan reading it, it could lead them to believe that all this crap has started with the current Bush administration. I also am suspect of it because (and this is not to blame Clinton because we've now had 5 presidents from both parties involved in this since 1979) I find it hard to believe that Bush in could have conceived the "war on drugs" program, received congressional approval for it, negotiated it with the Afghanis, verified that it had been done, and received the $43 million to turn over in his short 3 1/2 months in office. Knowledge of the reality of the government tells me this was already in the pipeline from the previous administration, so Scheer could really be slanting this one in an effort to smear Bush. >And why must it be current? As it pertains to Scheer himself, I have noticed in recent months that he has changed his tune more. I'll have to go look and see what he's saying about the current situation. But I have read later articles that are more Bush friendly. Maybe he's changed his opinion or maybe he's just again writing for the audience. > So are you saying this $43 million was provided to the Taliban to turn over > Bin Laden to us, not to be used to stop them from growing opium? I don't think our people in government are such idiots that they would seriously depart with that kind of money for the only purpose of stopping the opium trade. I think it was a backdoor way to get in money for general relief and/or to grease some hands in the effort to have them dislodge Bin Laden. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:36:03 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Lincoln's words (njc) When Lincoln gave his second inaugural speech in 1865, at a time when the U.S. was in the waning days of a grim Civil War, he concluded with these words: "With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations." shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:22:38 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: HEY SPORTS FANS! NJC gene mock writes: This essay was forwarded to me. I'm sorry but I don't know the author. I'm sure someone will let me know. Regardless, I thought it was excellent and wanted to pass along to you. gene /**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/**/ The Love of the Game "Look to your hearts for games that can't be canceled" There's a game this weekend. A big game. Bigger than the Super Bowl. Bigger than the World Series. Bigger than the Final Four. The biggest game ever. And you're invited. To sit in the front row. To pull up to the stadium in a stretch limo, light a cigar with a crisp one-hundred-dollar bill as you stride through the VIP gate, then take your own private elevator upstairs to the skybox of your mind. To forget the debate about whether or not it's appropriate to play games this weekend, so soon after the terrorist attacks of Tuesday, Sept. 11, 2001. To force yourself to take a brief, quiet moment and go to a place where the images and sounds of terror cannot harm you. This weekend, mentally revisit your hallowed ground. Go. Don't be afraid. They're waiting for you. At the corner of Michigan and Trumbull. At 161st and River. At St. Catherine's and Atwater. At 1060 West Addison. At Fenway. South Bend. Augusta. Camden Yards. Soldier Field. Chavez Ravine. The Stick. Pebble Beach. The Forum. Churchill Downs. Indy. Daytona. The Garden. The Stadium. Welcome to The House That You Built: It's Willie Mays, his back to the plate as he hauls in Vic Wertz's drive on a dead run. Jerry West hits that 63-footer against the Knicks one more time. Cal Ripken Jr. takes his victory lap at Camden Yards after 2,131. Bart Starr sneaks over the goal line against the Cowboys in the Ice Bowl. A.J. Foyt weaves through the smoke and chaos to win at Indy. "The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!" Secretariat thunders home in the Belmont. Kareem's skyhook. Nadia's perfect 10. Torvill and Dean's Bolero. The Intimidator in your rear-view mirror. Ali. The Champ. The Greatest. The Game. The Drive. The Play. What the heck is the band doing on the field at Cal-Stanford? "Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier! Down goes Frazier!" Reggie's three homers on three pitches in the Series. Flutie's Hail Mary. Franz Klammer's gravity-defying run in the downhill. The Fridge, diving over for a TD in the Super Bowl. Borg-McEnroe. Connors-McEnroe. And toss in Sampras-Agassi. Arnie, Jack or Tiger walking up the 18th fairway. Michael Jordan beating the buzzer to win the championship. The Mick, Sammy or McGwire crushing one into the upper deck. And Jim Craig, with Old Glory draped over his shoulders, looking for his father in the stands at Lake Placid. "Do you believe in miracles? YES!" Believe in miracles this weekend, and fill your own stadium to capacity with your own sights and sounds and memories. Believe, and it just might be one small way of honoring the memory of those who died in New York, and Washington, and outside of Pittsburgh. Believe, and you'll hold a ticket to the best game in town. Because no matter how many planes are hijacked and crashed, this game will not be postponed. No matter how many buildings are blown up, this game will not be canceled. No matter how many of our innocent fellow citizens perish at the hands of gutless cowards, this game will not be taken away from us. This game is called freedom. And you've got a front-row seat. Play ball. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:24:19 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: thoughts njc (the Kakki/Kate debate) ;~) >>I find it hard to believe that Bush in could have conceived the "war on drugs" program, received congressional approval for it, negotiated it with the Afghanis, verified that it had been done, and received the $43 million to turn over in his short 3 1/2 months in office. Knowledge of the reality of the government tells me this was already in the pipeline from the previous administration, so Scheer could really be slanting this one in an effort to smear Bush.<<< I see what you are saying- that the authorization may have come from the previous administration. Believe me, it doesn't matter to me which party authorized this at all. What is alarming to me is that 4 months ago our government sent $43 million to the Taliban. I welcome a less slanted source of this information if anyone can point it out to me. However, reading Scheer's credentials they are not shabby. Then again you know I lean to the left ;~) >>>I don't think our people in government are such idiots that they would seriously depart with that kind of money for the only purpose of stopping the opium trade. I think it was a backdoor way to get in money for general relief and/or to grease some hands in the effort to have them dislodge Bin Laden.<<< Well I truly don't know. I think there are many who are fanatics about the war on drugs. And IMO the whole war on drugs is idiotic through & through. Not because I condone drugs but because it is not the way to solve the problem. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 23:47:06 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: Version of "For Free" on ROTR Correct, I noticed this the other night when I forced myself through ROTR on video. [Light blue touch paper, retire to safe distance...] - --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > BigWaltinSF@aol.com > Sent: 19 September 2001 22:04 > To: undisclosed-recipients:; @smoe.org > Subject: Version of "For Free" on ROTR > > > Hi, Bob (and everybody), > > I was given a lazerdisc of ROTR way back in '83. Only saw it once (long, > boring story), but I seem to remember that the version of "For Free" had an > extra bridge connecting verses that was repeated. Do I remember correctly? > In any case, wherver I heard it, I liked it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 15:57:12 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Thanks Philip Hi Philip, Thanks for understanding. I don't blame you or whoever sent in the other Fisk article. I'm just oversensitive right now to these kick-them-when-they're-down journalists. Normally, I'd just skim and delete them, but I'm also raw right now. I guess when the day comes again that I can blow them off, I'll know I'm a bit better ;-) Kakki > Sorry if other parts of his article were insensitive. I >should have read it more carefully. My hope > is that the perpetrators are caught and whatever action >is taken brings about a long term solution. Terrorism >threatens us all.. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:10:16 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: thoughts njc (the Kakki/Kate debate) ;~) Hi Kate, I didn't see my full post back to you come up on the list for some reason. > I see what you are saying- that the authorization may have come from the > previous administration. Believe me, it doesn't matter to me which party > authorized this at all. What is alarming to me is that 4 months ago our > government sent $43 million to the Taliban. I welcome a less slanted source > of this information if anyone can point it out to me. However, reading > Scheer's credentials they are not shabby. Then again you know I lean to the > left ;~) I agree he is a brilliant writer. It doesn't matter to me which party authorized it, either. What I objected to is the way he framed it as if Bush was part of the Taliban itself and that such actions started with him. We have been supporting them in one form or another for 22 years. Where was Scheer's outrage all those years? > Well I truly don't know. I think there are many who are fanatics about the > war on drugs. And IMO the whole war on drugs is idiotic through & through. > Not because I condone drugs but because it is not the way to solve the > problem. It would have taken the majority of Congress to have authorized this. I don't think they are all fanatics. The only thing I can think of is that they did this to get around official sanctions. We may never know the real story, or at least not now. If I find more infor, I'll send it to you. If you look at opinion polls on the war on drugs, most Americans at this point think it is ludicrous and a waste of resources. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 19:16:14 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: HEY SPORTS FANS! NJC > The Love of the Game > > "Braves Win! Braves Win! Braves Win!!!!!!!!" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 16:41:42 -0700 From: "Jenaya Dawe" Subject: Re: The attack (NJC) These are probably a bit trite, but I've been listening to: "War" by Jonatha Brooke lots of Bob Dylan ("God On Our Side," "Chimes of Freedom") and of course, "If I Had A Rocket Launcher" by Bruce Cockburn. When it all gets to be too much I listen to Blue. On another note, this afternoon I looked out my downtown Seattle window to see plumes of black smoke and waves of emergency vehicles heading in that direction. After panicking, finding nothing on the news, and running up to the roof to look, I was sure another disaster had hit. Turns out a grain boat on Puget Sound had a bad boiler. No fire, no damage, just many shaken citizens. Jenaya NP: "Via Chicago" Wilco - ----- Original Message ----- From: "c Karma" To: Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 11:06 AM Subject: The attack (NJC) I have four pieces of music which have not left my turntables since the disaster. I've found both solace and provocation within them: "Slouching Toward Bethlehem" "The Sire of Sorrow (Job's Sad Song)" "Shipbuilding" by Elvis Costello "Rock Me On The Water" by Jackson Browne Has anyone else been compelled to return to certain songs since the events of Sept. 11? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 20:08:45 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The Old Grey Whistle Test NJC I've managed to catch all the shows so far; shows 2 and 3 had some terrific and some not so terrific performances. Stirred some memories, although the stuff they've shown so far is still a little before my time. Some of our more experienced listers would have enjoyed these acts immensely :-) Little Feat - Rock'n'roll Doctor. Just how cool was Lowell George?? And how come Kenny Gradney looked like a cross between Phil Lynott and a porn star? Average White Band - I forgot the song title but whatever, it was bloody good, not a song I'd ever heard. Bob Marley & The Wailers - Concrete Jungle. Another ineffably cool turn. How stoned Bob was can only be a matter for conjecture; and how could someone who was from all accounts smoking the Camberwell Carrots every waking hour be so damn productive?? Captain Beefheart - again I can't remember the title (except that it wasn't Making Love to a Vampire with a Monkey on My Knee). I think it was probably from the Clear Spot album. Brilliant! What a superb band, what an out there man - and finally I can hear how he has influenced Polly Harvey. John Lennon - Stand By Me. Without wishing to re-ignite the whole "what is soul" debate, this is one of my favourite soul covers by white performers (the other being Talking Heads' version of Take Me To the River), mainly because he didn't attempt to replicate the feel of the original, or try to sound black. He played it as a rock'n'roll song (it was on his album of that name, after all), and sang the hell out of it - and guess what, he sounded really soulful! Trivia: apparently he wasn't paid in cash but in kind for the gig: to be precise, in black pudding and tinned rice pudding!! Gil Scott-Heron - Johannesburg. What a dude! What a song! Fabulous! Patti Smith - Hey Joe. Well, certainly a unique interpretation, and she was always a compelling performer, but it didn't work for me. Southside Johnny - The Fever. Early royalties for our Brooce. Was Johnny the American Graham Parker, or vice versa? Please discuss on one sheet of paper... Talking Heads - Psycho Killer. David Byrne looking like a bank employee in civilian gear; Tina Weymouth looking like a startled fawn. Marvellous. Lynyrd Skynyrd - Free Bird. Erm, I found this to be interminable bilge, seemed to go on even longer than the record, the guitar solos were humdrum, and the singer's voice sounded totally shot. Apparently this was the most requested clip in Whistle Test history. Heavens to Murgatroyd!! (as the funky phantom used to say) That's enough for now, good night to you good people... Azeem in London NP: Caroline Lavelle - Spirit. Ah, musical balm, massage for the soul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 01:33:17 +0100 From: Subject: Re: poptoones > Is it actually a bootleg? Its not a cheap issue disc...cheesy, yes, but not > cheap. And whoa, is that a bad cover. > That's what I don't get. Reissue an already available album at twice the normal price in a really bad cover and give it a stupid title. What kind of business strategy is that. Who do they think is going to buy it. .Anyone who does will return it to the store when the discover what they've got . And how did it get distributed into major chains who don't normally sell bootlegs. Strange indeed. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 17:36:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: thoughts njc (the Kakki/Kate debate) ;~) Kakki, I just sent you the digest with your reply to me. >>> What I objected to is the way he framed it as if Bush was part of the Taliban itself and that such actions started with him. We have been supporting them in one form or another for 22 years. Where was Scheer's outrage all those years?<<< I didn't interpret it as if Bush was part of the Taliban but will go back & see if I think it spins that way. As to your question as to where was his outrage in the past I guess it wouldn't be hard to find that out by researching what he has written in the past. Perhaps he should have included more of the history of US support in his peice but I suspect he was just focusing on this particular issue & I see nothing wrong with that. >>>It would have taken the majority of Congress to have authorized this. I don't think they are all fanatics. The only thing I can think of is that they did this to get around official sanctions. We may never know the real story, or at least not now. If I find more infor, I'll send it to you. If you look at opinion polls on the war on drugs, most Americans at this point think it is ludicrous and a waste of resources.<<< No I don't think they are all fanatics either but the war on drugs has certainly been given a lot of fanatical attention & money over the years & its always seemed to be a loosing battle. You are right it may be difficult right now to know the real story of what this money was for & where it went. Glad to know the polls show that this is a waste of resources but this doesn't help me to understand why we would send $43 million unless there there is still a fanatic mood within our elected officials that we must morally continue a war on drugs or as you suggest it may be for other purposes. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #422 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?