From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #415 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 415 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- PWWAM ["Ron Greer" ] Lama Photos, njc ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Crying (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] Joni and Laura [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: PWWAM [Brian Gross ] Indeed, something to think about ["joseph tischner" ] Jeff Buckley NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Another perspective njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: New York Minute (njc) ["Kate Bennett" ] An old gospel song (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: Jeff Buckley [NJC] [Richard Goldman ] joseph --trite ["Dolphie Bush" ] oops ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: NJC Conservatives ["Kakki" ] Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans [Nuriel Tobias ] Patti Smith "Dancing Barefoot DVD" NJC ["Garret" ] Old friends SJC ["Garret" ] Re: Patti Smith "Dancing Barefoot DVD" NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The Top 20 Bad Romance Novel Metaphors or Similes (njc) [jan ] Re: Patti Smith "Dancing Barefoot DVD" NJC ["Garret" ] RE: Jeff Buckley ["Garret" ] RE: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) ["patricia van nunen" ] Fw: blame the Jews pt 3, NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:26:13 +0200 From: "Ron Greer" Subject: PWWAM hi firstly i want to say thank you for some of the beautiful and touching messages postd by so many listers re the wtc tragedy. we are thinking of, and praying for you here in south africa. the company i work for, which is a multinational (about 200 countries) french group, had 3 minutes of silence, for all of its employees, on friday at 1.00 pm local time. now for the joni stuff..... so there i was - walking out of the local wholesalers, arms loaded with 6 boxes of blank cds. i never learn - they dont have packets, and on my way in, i always think its not worth taking a whole trolley for a couple of boxes of blanks. going past the cd section, i decide to just have a quick look to see if theyve got anything besides the normal top 20 and/or pathetic collections - but no - just the same old junk. on my way out i go past the dvd section, and something catches my eye - you know how it is when something catches your eye, but you dont quite get it - then you have to search for ages to to find what it was??? carefully put down the piles of cd boxes, and start with a detailed inspection - fortunately it doesnt take long - our joni really cant hide in a crowd, even on the cover of a dvd. i guess this jonifan thing is getting to me - that i can spot her picture in a whole rack of dvds while walking past & not even really looking... now ive heard of this dvd, and ive seen it advertised on the net, but to actually have it in my hand - but i dont have a player i tell myself, shutup & buy it i reply..... so there i am 10 minutes later - proud owner of two dvd's - and no machine to play them on :) (i also found jimi hendrix's "rainbow bridge" (except its not really jimi - except for the concert in the middle!!)) ive just blown my budget on a new amp & speakers, so theres nothing left for a dvd player. so its second best - i go & rent one - a five month contract - to see if its really worth buying one. a week later, (a week of staring at the dvd trying to get some idea of what it will sound/look like) the machine eventually arrives. of course the first disc in is joni. wow!!! the first time i have seen joni since i saw the last waltz way back when it first came out - and all i can say is it was awesome!!! talk about "class" !! beautiful music, beautiful singing, i *love* the way she moves (just like lucindas song, only its just her & the music). for a large part of the concert its just her & the music, we are the voyeurs, peeking in at her intensely private communion... somehow those stories about joni & "art" com back to mind - yeah, she does *make love* to art, and what a beautiful, and moving sight it is,,,,,,,, - definitely no apologies needed........ tears streaming down my face - somehow the tension of the last few days is released. of course, amelias "the drone of flying engines, is a song so wild & true it scrambles time & seasons, if it gets through to you" has a particularly poignant ring to it...... NB - please excuse me - im pretty sure i got the line wrong, but i dont have the lyrics here, & i cant check them at jmdl.com, because south africas link to the us is only running at less than 20% capacity as a result of the tragedy.. what a great end to a particularly shitty week......... and what a pleasure, when the music keeps going on, past the end of the tracklist printed inside the cover, such great songs, and they arent even listed!!!!! ron ps - quite fascinating - we are having our local production of "big brother" - the one where they lock people in a house & cut them off from the outside world - and the house/inmates dont even know about the wtc!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:30:29 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Lama Photos, njc I put up some photos, although my favorite one of Margo is still not up. All things in time. http://photos.yahoo.com/bc/jlamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:38:38 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans I see discussions about artists I love: Joan Armatrading, Nick Drake, the Buckleys (especially Tim), Crosby. On my female singer/songwriter hall of fame, right below Joni, are SARA K and also PATTI (Tuck & Patti) . Is anybody familiar with them too? They've been making music for over a decade, and I still have to find a bad album. They both have the ability, like Joni, to express deep feelings. For you Croz fans check out the 3 CPR releases with his son James Raymond. His best work ever in my book. "Let rock'n roll soothe your soul" Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:25:43 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: NJC humor An old one: > > A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. > A liberal is a conservative who has been indicted. > > Jerry Another old one: If you're not liberal when you're young you got no heart If you're not conservative when you're old you got no brains Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:35:23 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Crying (NJC) Dear Vince, Very well said! I am thankful for your wisdom amidst all of this confusion. Sherelle In a message dated 09/17/2001 12:02:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 00:05:49 -0400 > From: Vince Lavieri > Subject: Re: crying njc > > It was not God's will, as has been stated so eloquently - it was human > sin and evil. > > People need to stop blaming God and making God responsible for their own > actions. > > People choose to commit evil - oh is this a new thing after Kosovo, > Ireland, Chiapas, Rwanda, or anywhere else we could name? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:44:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Joni and Laura Just found this at Amazon: Season of Lights," a live album, was released the year after the monumental "Smile" album. I did not see Laura Live until the 90's at the Mayfair Theater in Santa Monica, CA (Joni Mitchell was in the audience at one show I attended!). Jerry np: Laura Nyro - Season of Lights ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:59:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans <> Help me out, Laurent...Sara K? I know Sarah Vaughan, Sara McLachlan, and Sara Lee (nobody doesn't like Sara Lee, especially when she's playing bass for Ani D! ;~D) As for Patti Cathcart, she's tremendous, and like you say always can be counted on for great music. Tuck Andress is an amazing guitarist! Their version of Woodstock is one of my favorites; they really put their own stamp on it. Bob NP: Cassandra Wilson, "By The Light of the Moon" (7/1/95) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 13:48:39 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: PWWAM Ron Greer wrote: big snip > and what a pleasure, when the music keeps going on, past the end of the tracklist printed inside the cover, such great songs, and they arent even listed!!!!! WWWWWWWWWWWWHHHHHHHHHHHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAA STOP THE PRESSES Inquiring minds want to know Please fill us all in about these 'extra' tracks REALLY REALLY SOON Thanks Ron Brei np: Colin Powell at a news conference - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:21:37 -0400 From: "joseph tischner" Subject: Indeed, something to think about Hi All, Forgive me, I don't post often, nor do I have the time to read posts often, but I do so when I can. And I thought that now that I'm back in the office on Long Island, after driving back from Chicago on Friday, I'd check in with how everyone is doing since Tuesday. The feelings are all so similar. I don't have the least bit of desire to be in my office conducting business as usual. I don't want to fly; I don't want to take the subway; I don't want to do much else other than grieve. Just talking to a friend at lunch, I mentioned that the only thing that brings me out of it is music, which I didn't have with me last week when I was in Chicago. But after 10 minutes of Joni or Ravel or Stan Getz, I come back to the realization that there are so many dead and so many more who have been traumatized that I'm having a hard time even trying to escape this madness. I know of only one who died; his wife is still hoping for a miracle, but I can't anymore. He was on the 92nd floor of the first building. My son's 20 year old friend was at a business across the street from the WTC when the first plane hit. He ran in to get his coworker and their tools out, and when they arrived back at their van, looking up, they witnessed the second plane crash. They got out of town as quickly as they could through very heavy car and pedestrian traffic. He's traumatized to say the least. And I just found out this morning that a friend's daughter was late to work on the 8th floor of the second building on Tuesday. She arrived to see the first plane crash and immediately turned around and left. She hasn't been able to leave her mom's house for her own apartment and now sleeps with the light on. She doesn't want to talk to anyone about it. I don't know; I'm feeling like I'm gonna have to talk to somebody. Soon. I've spent a lot of time in various churches in Chicago and yesterday at home, but I'm not feeling much better. They say time heals, but our future is so uncertain that thinking about all the possibilities makes me even more uneasy. I hope the attachment I sent is readable. Someone from work sent it to me and I wanted to share it. It really rings true. However trite this all sounds, I'm praying for all of us. And even though I didn't vote for Bush, I'm on his side too. God Bless. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/vnd] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:09:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Jeff Buckley NJC I have heard some of his songs. His father was one of my biggest influences. Tim Buckley. Such beautiful songs & voices but tragically neither of them are still alive. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:17:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Another perspective njc Ric, i have been sent that letter several times & have sent it out...like you i never do this but in this case i feel it had great value in the midst of many people calling out for revenge...i know that i have lots of catching up to do as to the historical details of afghanistan & imagine their are others out there like me... btw, i sent this letter to another group with apologies that i could not verify the source...i got several positive replies, one from a woman who followed it up by doing some research & said she could verify every detail except for the widows in graves, another response i got was from a man who taught high school world history & was somewhat of an expert on the middle east...he said that he felt this letter was accurate... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 11:17:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: New York Minute (njc) They played that the other day at the end of a CNN segment. Already such a powerful song, hearing it in this context just cut to the core. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:45:24 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: An old gospel song (NJC) I am listening to Take 6 (again). For those not familiar with Take 6, they are a contemporary gospel group with "Manhattan Transfer" like vocals. Very intricate and well executed. They also sing acapella (without instruments). On the day of remembrance, I couldn't help but play their cut, "Mary" over and over again. Each time I played it, the tears flowed. It was what I needed to hear. "Mary" is an old gospel tune that has been around for many years. I'm not sure of it's origins. The lyrics go like this: Oh Mary don't you weep Tell Martha not to moan Oh Mary don't you weep Tell Martha not to moan Pharaoh's army Drowned in the Red Sea Oh Mary don't you weep Tell Martha not to moan If I could I surely would Stand on the rock Where Moses stood Pharaoh's army Drowned in the Red Sea Oh Mary don't you weep Tell Martha not to moan.... The song is a "call and response" type of song where a leader sings the lyrics, and a group of singers respond with the same lyrics. Though the words are very simple, they strike at the core of my feelings that this attack was an affront to both God and man, and that sometimes, it's not by might or by strength how battles are won, but by the Spirit. This song speaks to me of comforting those who are sad and reminding them that the battle can still be won. It is a very simple, but poignant song. Thanks for letting me share. Sherelle NP: Take 6-Get Away Jordan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:11:20 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley [NJC] Sherelle and others who replied, There is another . . . version of the song, "Hallelujah", that is from the soundtrack from recent animated film, "Shrek", and . . . it is by none other than Joni devotee, Rufus Wainwright, and so so gorgeously rendered. Richard richard2sf@earthlink.net http://home.earthlink.net/~richard2sf At 3:00 AM -0400 9/17/01, JMDL Digest wrote: >Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 21:22:23 EDT >From: RobSher50@aol.com >Subject: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) > >Last night and today, I heard a very beautiful song sung by someone whose >name I have heard referenced on the JMDL before. His name is Jeff Buckley, >and the name of the song is "Hallelujah." It was absolutely touching and >beautiful. There was no video that showed his face. What was shown was a >series of scenes showing rescue workers, fireman and citizens showing love >for each other. It was perfect. From hearing this song, I have concluded that >I really like Jeff Buckley. Any fans of his out there? > >Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:22:16 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: joseph --trite Not trite at all Joseph. I am sorry this is so difficult for you. Although I know you not, I am thinking of you. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:35:40 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: oops forgot the njc. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:22:33 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Conservatives Thank you Susan, for your reasoned and kind comments. You wrote: > Conservatives of the 70's, were not the religious laced, >Christian Crusaders that we have > trying to invoke religion into our constitution and > threatening individual rights. My take on this is that the Christian Fundamentalists (CF), who historically were Southern Democrats, at some point kind of glommed on to the Republicans and Conservatives, who in earlier times were very much for mind your own business liberty and civil rights for all. I think they were drawn to the Republicans and Conservatives because they openly include religious freedom among the rights they defend and uphold. The CFs thought that if they gave them their votes, that they could dictate agenda. The Republicans, for the most part gladly took their votes and gave them some token lip service here and there, but have not followed through in doing their bidding. From what I understand the CFs have been bitterly denouncing the Republicans for awhile now and are trying to build their own new party. I have a friend, who sadly, joined a CF cult a few years ago. Every time I talk to her she is parroting vehement anti-Republican and anti-Bush rhetoric that the "elders" and "brothers" have instructed her to believe. At first I was scratching my head thinking there was no way these cult leaders could be Liberals. But now I "get" it - Republicans are also the devil now. Republicans are mostly embarrased they they ever let the CFs hitch their wagon to them in exchange for votes and have assidiously tried to distance themselves from the CFs for a number of years now. >And secondly lets be aware of our real enemies, > let there be no witch hunt from either side of the > aisle, not only at his time in our history, but ever. Right on and amen! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 12:59:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans maybe we're talking about sara craig? her cover of this flight tonight is maybe one of the best joni covers. the more i listen to it the higher it takes me. - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com > wrote: ><also PATTI (Tuck & Patti) .>> > >Help me out, Laurent...Sara K? > >I know Sarah Vaughan, Sara McLachlan, and Sara Lee (nobody doesn't like Sara Lee, especially when she's playing bass for Ani D! ;~D) > >As for Patti Cathcart, she's tremendous, and like you say always can be counted on for great music. Tuck Andress is an amazing guitarist! > >Their version of Woodstock is one of my favorites; they really put their own stamp on it. > >Bob > >NP: Cassandra Wilson, "By The Light of the Moon" (7/1/95) _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:22:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Sara K, Tuck & Patti of interest to Joni fans <> I agree with you on that Sara Craig cover, like those others on "Back to the Garden" (The Canadian tribute CD) it requires repeated listenings. I love about 95% of that tribute. And my research staff tells me that Laurent was most likely speaking about Sara K, a jazz-pop singer. I had never heard of her. Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Master Blaster (Jammin')" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:25:18 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Re: Jeff Buckley NJC I find it eerie, just how much Tim and Jeff look and sound alike. Both were wonderful singer/songwriters. Both died tragically young. If you look at the shot of Jeff from the Grace CD- inside back in the shiny jkt @ the mic- the physical likeness is amazing. What a shame they didn't know each other. Stephen in Vancouver I have heard some of his songs. His father was one of my biggest influences. Tim Buckley. Such beautiful songs & voices but tragically neither of them are still alive. ******************************************** Kate Bennett ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 21:05:09 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Patti Smith "Dancing Barefoot DVD" NJC In the spirit of keeping with music, even if it isn't Joni ( nods to Azeem), i'm bringing up Patti Smith (the *other* woman in my life) because she has a DVD out or coming out. It's called Dancing Barefoot. Does anyone know anything about this??? I'm really rather excited about this! Will it be released over here??? I know there are some Patti fans on the list so...... GARRET ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:06:49 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Old friends SJC My week started off most wonderfully. Yesterday my dear friend Emily called me from Boston. Although she woke the entire family ( i guess it was 2.30am in Ma, about 7.30 here), it was that moment i needed; you know that incident to make you smile, to lift the world from your shoulders and and let you say "yeah, everything'll be okay". I met Emily in Cape Cod when i stayed there for three months last summer. We worked together. After she discovered that she and i would never be a couple our friendship really took off. We went to dinner together; we listened to the latest music (gone are the days when one can afford every release in any given week of the music industry's year); she tried to teach me to like coffee (sorry, that'll never happen- if a job in starbucks won't convert me, i don't think anything ever will); we picniced; we talked life; we gave each other advice about guys and this list goes on. She introduced me to the work of Jim Carroll, I introduced her to the work of Joni. I have really missed Em since i left the states. Although three months may seem a short time to some, a true and fine friendship did develop ( hell, the girl even brought me to a *piercing* party! and yes, i did submit and undergo piercing myself, hehe, i played it safe though and had my lip done:-) Emails, letters, and phone calls were exchanged regularly until May 2001. At this point i got very caught up in exam fever ( i must admit it really paid off, when i got my results i was speechless, i thought they were someone elses results- two firsts and a second:-) and correspondence slackened a little. Then, i went to London for three months (that's where i worked in Starbucks, for anyone interested). During this time we only swapped e-mail twice if i remember correctly. Em moved from the Cape in recent weeks to begin her big college adventure in Boston. It is, for her, a truly exciting time- a little lonely, but exciting nonetheless. She turned 18 on september 10th, the day her classes officially began. Yesterday morning, as i said, Em called to say Hi, to say thanks for the birthday wishes, to say she's fine after the tragedy which struck her country. So, my week began in a lovely way. Today being the first day of university for me was at the same time full of merriment and laughter and fear and realisation and resolution . We swapped tales of the summer; scandalous and remarkable. Deflated, we sat in the canteen reviewing faculty and departmental regulations many of us (including myself) had never noticed. We probed through time tables, flicked through leaflets, and interrogated staff members in order to find out what we, as the student body, felt we had a right to know. We attempted to finalise our course selections; as the typical collegiate stress mounted a course convenor tried to convince my friend and i not to take his course. Why? Am i too stupid? Do i not fulfill all requirements? Did i not prove my abilities in the last set of exams? His course, he told us, is hard. I would have assumed that each and every ccourse in third year science would be "hard". Although not my ideal choice of course, his course- Evolutionary Biology- is one of very few options that fits my timetable, and i do believe that the course description in the handbook sounds genuinely interesting. Why, then, did he make it sound awful and refuse to sign my form? Well, he will sign it if i rethink it and still decide it is the best option for me!!???!? Attempting to find another course convenor had me on a wild goose chase, to use a cliche i am most fond of. That was to sign up for "the history and philosophy of science". So, i was getting a little stressed. We were fed false information by other students and by *many* staff members. Now, i know that it wasn't some conspiracy against us, but it sure felt bad to be running around campus trying to please the various convenors. To compound my mood, i was overcome with an intense and sudden tiredness. I really couldn't move; all i wanted to do was sleep. Or at least lie down and curl up. My body stopped responding, and i couln't find my voice. A little Patti Smith on the discman woke me. So i gave up my futile endeavours around UCD and came home. I listened to Court and Spark. I listened to Mingus. I listened to Shadows and Light, Turbulent Indigo, Miles of Aisles, The Hissing of Summer Lawns, and of course i listened to Hejira. I am now sat here with LOTC ringing beautifully in my ears. This is the first time in quite a while that i've listened to Joni other than S&L or LOTC. This has been an uplifting experience. I feel like i've been reacquainted with an old and dear friend, and that regardless of how long it is since we've last "met" i can always come back and things are just great:-) So, in conclusion (or something like that) i'll repeat Azeem's recent words: > Keep listening to music you love>. GARRET NP- Blue Boy "bring her boots of leather, she will dance for him" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 16:56:45 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Patti Smith "Dancing Barefoot DVD" NJC Hi Garrett...I went to Amazon and looked at Patti Smith DVD's, they have one that looks like it's a combo of two earlier videos, "Blank Generation" & "Dancin' Barefoot". Here's what it says about Dancin' Barefoot: ******************************************************* "Dancin' Barefoot" (1995, 60 min.) - A look at the N.Y. punk scene through the eyes of Ivan Kral, best known as guitarist and songwriter in The Patti Smith Group. This video features an in-depth look at The Patti Smith Group with lots of live footage and interviews from the '70s, '80s and '90s, plus live footage and interviews from Blondie, Iggy Pop and more! ******************************************************* For more info, the link is: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005JH9U/qid=1000760083/sr=2-1/002-9003109-9592032 Hope that helps! Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "Happy Birthday" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 14:28:23 -0700 From: jan Subject: The Top 20 Bad Romance Novel Metaphors or Similes (njc) The Top 20 Bad Romance Novel Metaphors or Similes 20. His body was hard, not hard like Milosevic, the Serbian strongman, but hard like the marble on your shower floor, when you fall and bang your knee. 19. Her shoulders heaved like the tiny sobs of Snuggles the catbeing run through with a roasting spit. 18. Her embrace made his manhood swell like week old road-killon hot asphalt in the Georgia sun. 17. Her petticoats dropped to the ground, rustling like a cockroachin a sugar bowl. 16. As she kissed her way down his manly chest, he felt his Amalgamated Crane Company stock increasing in value. 15. Beatrice was on him like a piranha on a corn dog. 14. ...then he kissed her, like a butterfly kisses the windshield of a Porsche on the Autobahn. 13. Her breasts heaved like a stormy ocean, and her pointed nipples were like hypodermics washed up on the shore. 12. With his broad shoulders and slim waist, he was a yield sign -- yet she could NOT! 11. He tore open her blouse like a Publisher's Clearing House letter in which he, and some guy named Steven Bouber from Stockton, California, were potential finalists for the ten million dollar prize. 10. His manhood stood at full attention, stiff and stony like the vice president. 9. Sleekly malevolent, driven by a violent hunger, Donovan glided through the chum-filled waters of the singles bar, oblivious to the remora of Annabelle's adoring gaze. 8. Like the wind, she ran, her breasts lurching like a motor boat over a wake, and then, as fluid as a fine imported transmission, she whipped out her man-organ and pissed away his dreams. 7. Her sun-glazed back formed a golden arch as he moved his face toward her happy meal. 6. With each breath, her chest heaved like a bulimic after Thanksgiving dinner. 5. He Beatty-ed her shamelessly, making her squeal like Ned and hallucinate like Warren. 4. He awoke my slumbering womanhood with his double tall loin latte. "Starbuck!" I cried. 3. His chest was her pillow, and oh, did she drool. 2. Claire felt swept away by this dark stranger, a helpless dust bunny in the roaring cacophony of his gas-powered leaf blower. and the Number 1 Bad Romance Novel Metaphor or Simile... 1. His finger, weathered and rough from years on the ranch, danced in and out of his nose like a slimy ballerina. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:08:24 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Sunday in NYC (NJC) In a message dated 17/09/01 08:10:29 GMT Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << In the pew directly in front of me was a man and a woman, and the woman was holding a red-haired boy, maybe 6-8 months old, so that he could look over her shoulder. He stared at me relentlessly, in that way only babies can, just staring without any embarrassment. Staring staring staring. I looked away thinking he would too. Nope, that didn't work. Still staring. I smiled a little bit. Then he got shy and looked away and then looked back and stared some more. So I stared at him too and we started smiling at each other, which felt so good because I haven't done much of that since Tuesday, and then he smiled enough to show his four little top teeth, and then a big grin and sticking out his tongue like babies do, and, well, I didn't go that far in our playing but I was tempted. Next thing would have been giggling uncontrollably. Agents of healing sometimes come in the smallest and most unexpected packages. >> This is just SOOO sweet Debra! It made me smile just to read it. Another great missive from the front line. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:22:01 -0400 From: Gary Zack Subject: Re: Joni, Nyro & Wizard of Is Hello Jerry and all, I'm out of lurkdom for the moment to share some thoughts: What I found very interesting about "Season of Lights" is that when it was finally released on CD, there was a "regular" version and a "complete" version released. At that time I of course thought, "Well I'll get the "complete" version and have more than what was on the original vinyl." Much to my surprise, when I received the "complete" Japanese version, there were indeed more songs, but I also found that a few of the songs, i.e, "Timer" were different live versions released on the Japanese CD, and so some of the original versions from the vinyl were deleted. The "regular" or "not complete" CD version was released in extremely small quantities and I've been searching since its release on CD for the "not complete" version (Laura fanatic that I am) so that I could snag those live versions that weren't on the Japanese release. Finally, I found one on E-bay, but I can assure you these regular or "not complete" CDs appear to be extremely rare and hard to come by. If you love Laura as I do, I would highly recommend you keep your eye open for this. "Timer" from the vinyl and "incomplete" version is far superior to the one they released on the Japanese version. I know that Joni respected Laura very much, that's incredible to know that she was actually in the audience for one of her shows! By the way, I received through the kindness of Bob M., the "Couriers Folk Club Appearance" CD by Joni. I was absolutely stunned when I heard "The Wizard of Is." Has anyone else who received this CD noticed how amazingly close the song is in melody and guitar to Leonard Cohen's "Suzanne?" I wonder if the two of them wrote these songs about the same time, and if they decided together to use a basic melody on purpose? Maybe one was an answer to the other? Or who wrote which one first? After hearing the song, I immediately went to Judy Collins and pulled her version of "Suzanne" and the guitar riff is amazingly similar. Any thoughts? Anyone? I must confess that with my schedule and the high emotions of last week, that I haven't listened to it as many times as I normally would, since I love Joni's rare and unreleased material. I also want to express my sadness regarding the devastating tragedies of last week. I pray for our future and our safety, and for all of those lost, those who have lost friends and loved ones, and those injured. It still is hard for me to think about and grasp, forgive my awkwardness, but I hope you understand what I am trying to express. May God specially bless all of the list members and everyone in the New York City area. Best regards, Gary (protea man) Jerry Notaro wrote: > > Just found this at Amazon: > > Season of Lights," a live album, was released the year after the > monumental "Smile" album. I did not > see Laura Live until the 90's at the Mayfair Theater in Santa Monica, > CA (Joni Mitchell was in the > audience at one show I attended!). > > Jerry > > np: Laura Nyro - Season of Lights ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:30:57 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: Patti Smith "Dancing Barefoot DVD" NJC Thanks Bob i was so curious, my internet explorer isn't the Mae West right now, so i've not been able to get onto the net for a few days; i've been limited to E-mail (i am grateful for Outlook Express afterall, and i formally retract anything offensive i've ever said about it!!!:-), and Instant Messaging. I had gotten *half an email* from my friend in the cape cod telling me about the DVD and all he said about it was: "new Patti and tha gang dvd otu now!!! region 0, whatever that means gar?!? u tell me! two versoins as well! some bonus material not listed! live stuff and all! u'd luv it! been released there?" i'm sure you can understand my curiousity:-) thanks again GARRET ******************************************************* > "Dancin' Barefoot" (1995, 60 min.) - A look at the N.Y. punk scene through the eyes of Ivan Kral, best known as guitarist and songwriter in The Patti Smith Group. This video features an in-depth look at The Patti Smith Group with lots of live footage and interviews from the '70s, '80s and '90s, plus live footage and interviews from Blondie, Iggy Pop and more! > ******************************************************* > For more info, the link is: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005JH9U/qid=1000760083/sr=2-1/002- 9003109-9592032 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 23:22:43 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: RE: Jeff Buckley Sherelle, i just want to add an old fashioned "me too" to what others have said as reagrds Jeff Buckley. I'm 20 years of age, and so i was at the "discovering" good music age when Jeff Buckley hit the scene. He was, at first, very alternative; and since friends of mine at the time strived to be just this they really admired Buckley. And that's without even considering the mans immense talent! To say that he is an integral part of the soundtrack of my life would be an understatement. Before i ever became captivated with Joni Mitchell or Fleetwood Mac or Patti Smith there was Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Hole, Tori Amos, and Jeff Buckley. If i could choose to be able to sing like anyone, it would indeed be Jeff Buckley. The album "Grace" is usually going for mid price in HMV. I would class it as one of those albums that everyone should have. Repeating what has been said, the album is not entirely in the vein of that song. There came a point, among people i know certainly, when it seemed as if everyone was buying this album. My father (all due respect, he does have good musical taste...remind me to tell you sometime to tell you about going to see Roxy Music with him:-) loves Grace, so that proves it...Jeff Buckley isn't exactly "alternative" any more. Of course, who is to say what is? Mystery White Boy is an awesome album too. It was released last year and captivates me every time. The version of Hallelujah on there is great. Didn't Bono cover this song too for some tribute album to Leonard Cohen??? Now, that i'd like to hear. GARRET (in a chatty mood right now:-) NP- Patti Smith- Summer Cannibals PS- I know that Jeff plays guitar on a Patti track, now if i could just remember which one it is...... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:23:13 +0200 From: "patricia van nunen" Subject: RE: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) hi Sherelle, I am a big fan of Jeff Buckley! I want to share some quotes from Mary Guibert's (Jeff's mother) message to the fans found on "Sketches for my sweetheart the drunk": " I have said it so many times over the long, painful course of this project, "the songs that would have been My Sweetheart the Drunk(as well as all the other recorded material he left behind) are the true 'remains' of Jeff Buckley, not the speck of dust that was pulled out of the Wolf River." It's these precious recordings; all unfinished, some raw, some of them too flawed to release, some of them only puzzle pieces intended for a larger mosaic. In some cases he left behind "instructions", in some cases we could only guess what Jeff might have intended. ... I would give anything to have him here...to help him celebrate the release of the real My Sweetheart the Drunk, the album only he could make. If Jeff had lived and chosen to erase these sketches, it would have been a relatively minor loss. He could have written hundreds of songs and made dozens of albums in their place.Unfortunately, God had something else in mind for my son, and for me. One thing for sure, my son was not an elitist. He would never have wanted his music to be known only among a small "inner circle" of friends. His favorite moments in life were when he was delivering his music to his fans, those people who were now weeping and mourning his passing all over the world...playing "Grace" full blast over and over because that's all they had of him to listen to. This album is my gift to those fans, present and future. I believe with all my heart that my son will live among us as long as his songs are being played and sung. If I have anything to do with it, that will be for a long, long time to come." Sorry, this was longer than I thought... To end this post: the last song on this album "Satisfied Mind" was played at Jeff's memorial service at the end. Satisfied Mind How many times have you heard someone say If I had money, I'd do things my way, But little they know that it's so hard to find One rich man in ten with a satisfied mind. Money can't buy back your youth when you're old A friend, when you're lonely, or peace for your soul. The wealthiest person is a pauper at times Compared to the man with a satisfied mind. When my life is over and my time has run out. My friends and my loved ones, I'll leave them no doubt. But, one things for certain, when it comes my time I'll leave this old world with a satisfied mind. One things for certainm when it comes my time I'll leave this old world with a satisfied mind. A satisfied mind. Peace and love to all of you. Patricia. - -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]Namens RobSher50@aol.com Verzonden: maandag 17 september 2001 3:22 Aan: joni@smoe.org Onderwerp: Jeff Buckley's music on VH1(NJC) Last night and today, I heard a very beautiful song sung by someone whose name I have heard referenced on the JMDL before. His name is Jeff Buckley, and the name of the song is "Hallelujah." It was absolutely touching and beautiful. There was no video that showed his face. What was shown was a series of scenes showing rescue workers, fireman and citizens showing love for each other. It was perfect. From hearing this song, I have concluded that I really like Jeff Buckley. Any fans of his out there? Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2001 00:23:55 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Re: blame the Jews pt 3, NJC Laurent wrote: >>Unrelated but interesting: Just heard that Mr. Arafat has been recently secretly looking out to purchase a 10 carat pink diamond (one of the most expensive diamonds) from jewelers in Paris via his law firm. Remember for many years IMF aid used to be deposited into his own bank account and he would do the redistributing. I wonder how many families in Gaza he could feed with that money?<< He doesn't say where he heard this. Could it by chance have been on CNN, the channel that has been trying to discredit the Palestinians by using images of Arab children celebrating the destruction of the twin towers? The only problem is that the images were filmed in 1991. Perhaps Laurent should be complaining about anti-Muslim propaganda. Is this manipulation acceptable, and if not why is nobody complaining? Honourable exceptions to these remarks are John Pilger in his book 'Distant Voices' (London, Vintage Books, 1992) and the Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy's wonderful 'Hypocrisy Is The Greatest Luxury'. As Joni herself said, "Land of snap decisions, land of short attention span, nothing is savoured long enough to really understand.". And by the way, is there anything evidence that Arafat's keeping money in his personal bank account was used for personal gain or is this just another slur? Mike In Barcelona NP Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy 'Television, The Drug of The Nation' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 17:45:18 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Fw: blame the Jews pt 3, NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolphie Bush" To: "Mike Pritchard" Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Re: blame the Jews pt 3, NJC > Sounds to me like some of the things Laurent has to say have some merit and > it is pretty interesting that he is jumped on every time he states his > feelings about the matter. I, for one, am not interested in taking up for > Yassar Arafat or the Palestinians. Furthermore, whatever CNN's motives and > we have no idea what they are, could it be just reporting the facts, and > those clips were factual, could be it. Those people WERE CELEBRATING that > thousands of Americans had just been blown to bits. And I would imagine > that there was much more celebrating going on than what we have been privy > too. I, for one, thank the Israelis for their presence and the help that > they have given our country. Also, even if the images are old, the > Palestinians are no friend to this country or to Americans. I would venture > to say that if any of you people defending them were amidst them that would > become very clear, very quickly. Mack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Pritchard" > To: > Sent: Monday, September 17, 2001 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: blame the Jews pt 3, NJC > > > > Laurent wrote: > > > > >>Unrelated but interesting: > > Just heard that Mr. Arafat has been recently secretly looking out to > > purchase a 10 carat pink diamond (one of the most expensive diamonds) from > > jewelers in Paris via his law firm. Remember for many years IMF aid used > to > > be deposited into his own bank account and he would do the redistributing. > > I wonder how many families in Gaza he could feed with that money?<< > > > > He doesn't say where he heard this. Could it by chance have been on CNN, > the > > channel that has been trying to discredit the Palestinians by using images > of > > Arab children celebrating the destruction of the twin towers? The only > problem > > is that the images were filmed in 1991. Perhaps Laurent should be > complaining > > about anti-Muslim propaganda. Is this manipulation acceptable, and if not > why > > is nobody complaining? Honourable exceptions to these remarks are John > Pilger > > in his book 'Distant Voices' (London, Vintage Books, 1992) and the > Disposable > > Heroes of Hiphoprisy's wonderful 'Hypocrisy Is The Greatest Luxury'. As > Joni > > herself said, "Land of snap decisions, land of short attention span, > nothing > > is savoured long enough to really understand.". > > > > And by the way, is there anything evidence that Arafat's keeping money in > his > > personal bank account was used for personal gain or is this just another > > slur? > > > > Mike In Barcelona > > > > NP Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy 'Television, The Drug of The Nation' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 18:48:19 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: The Old Grey Whistle Test - njc (as far as I know, so far!) I'm watching this right now, Elton John singing Tiny Dancer in 1971, when he was still great, when he still had his first crop of hair, when cameramen and producers didn't feel the need to jump cut and swoops around every 5 seconds. It's great! Apparently, his new album is a return to form, best since Blue Moves. It's been well reviewed so far. Well, if Dylan can make a miraculous comeback in his later years, why not ol' Reg?? Now it's Curtis Mayfield - why didn't I get the video recording? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 19:04:49 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Billy Tipton njc Anyone know about this extraordinary person? A minor but talented and well regarded jazz musician, arranger and bandleader, when he died in 1989, aged 74, he was discovered to be... a woman! I'm reading an absolutely superb biography of him by Diane Wood Middlebrook. Called "Suits Me", it is not only a beautifully written and deeply sympathetic account of a singular life, but also a piece of vivid social history. I commend to all you fine people out there! Azeem NP: More from Whistle Test - we just had Bowie doing Five Years (hooray!) and Kris Kristofferson & Rita Coolidge virtually dry humping at the mic as they duetted on Help Me Make It Through The Night (not a request likely to fall on deaf ears judging by their body language), and now it's Rory Gallagher ripping out some spunky blues. What a great show - you N American folks can't pick this up tonight, but that's small recompense for not getting to see Joni in concert over the last couple of years... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 15:56:53 -0700 From: "Jenaya Dawe" Subject: Re: NJC 1 answer to bigotry "Conservatism: An ideology positing that the most important goal of politics is to create stable communities based on a hierarchy of power, in which leaders and followers have a reciprocal responsibilities and obligations. Unlike liberalism, conservatism is not suspicious of power and does not seek to limit the control of the state. Rather, the point of conservatism is that the power should be in a traditional class of ulers." - Power & Choice, W. Phillips Shively. (PoliSci 110 text.) Traditionally, in many different cultures, churches claim that ruling class. American Conservatism is something completely different and is noted as such by political scientists, and in every book on political science I've ever read. True conservatism is favoured by military and religious-based governments. I'd imagine that Osama bin Laden is a good example of the conservative political ideology, which is certainly how the Taliban runs things. American Conservatives (and Liberals) would do well to find new titles - the ones they have now are almost ironic. (And not in the Alanis Morrisette way) Jenaya... who thinks she should have gotten a better grade in that class - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" To: "Vince Lavieri" ; "joni" Sent: Sunday, September 16, 2001 3:07 PM Subject: Re: NJC 1 answer to bigotry I know I should not respond to this. I know I should try not to react and be baited. I know that some people here will in the future throw digs at me for this. I am shaking all over. This remark from a man of God is just as hateful as Falwell's remarks. Compaing "conservatives" to Bin Laden. This is vile. Kakki > Apparently, Osama bin Laden does. His deity also is petty, sadistic, > violent and generally conservative in his politics. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #415 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?