From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #411 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, September 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 411 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- What would joni say ["marianne marianne" ] Moulin Rouge - just say no kids! njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: NJC thoughts [Catherine McKay ] Take a look at my online photos! [rosemjoy@aol.com] Re: Polly Harvey - njc (but at least a bit of music content :-) [Catherin] Re: St Pauls [Catherine McKay ] Re: Our national tragedy -- and the unbelievable crap it breeds(NJC) [C] Re: Moulin Rouge - just say no kids! njc [Catherine McKay ] nyc coping 9-15-01... njc ["patrick leader" ] falwell NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] RE: nyc coping 9-15-01... njc ["patrick leader" ] repent! njc ["Kate Bennett" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:50:33 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: What would joni say About the New York City tragedy. . . What do you think Joni would think, what do you think Joni would say? I think her response would be along the lines that. . . there must be justice, but let's not make the same mistake the terrorists made and let's be sure not to hurt innocent people. We have a system in our government. . . putting people on trial. Isn't this justice? If we are going to find these people, can't we put them on trial? justice does not = violence "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind." Martin Luther king Jr. "Out of Balance out of hand. . . Restitution-what good can it do" (Lakota) Peace and Love to you. Marianne Rizzo "billion year old carbon. . ." from upstate NY Rochester _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:54:27 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Moulin Rouge - just say no kids! njc Hi people, There were a couple of posts about this film, what seems like years ago. Anyway, I paid my fiver this evening, and found myself walking out after about an hour. This a chap who has NEVER walked out of a cinema before the end of a film, and believe me I've seen some mangy celluloid dogs in my time (principal exhibits would include Sliver, Pret A Porter, Even Cowgirls Get The Blues, one of the Police Academy sequels, and a French film about an elevator that killed people). With the time honoured caveat of IMHO, this is what I thought... [reading it back, oh dear! It's un peu over the top, but hey, so's the wretched movie] There's a song on Catatonia's new album called Is Everybody Here On Drugs? - and that's what I had to ask about this film. It's like being hit over the head with a Jeff Koons catalogue while being force-fed speed. The sets are so garish that I got a headache; the acting is hammy beyond belief; the dialogue is variously overcooked and bathetic; the cartoonish sound effects are baffling (whooshing sounds when people turn their heads!); the relentless speed of the editing make the average pop video look like a televised debate in the House of Lords; the camera work screams "look at me! Look at me!" - as does Nicole Kidman's performance. And as to the much discussed anachronistic use of rock songs, for me it failed at virtually level. The songs were repeated ad nauseam (I could put up with Elton John's Your Song once, but three times?? And I was less than halfway through the film!), and the set pieces would have Busby Berkley spinning in his grave. Michael J Fox doing Johnny B Goode in Back to the Future said it so much better. I loved Baz Luhrman's first two films (Strictly Ballroom and Romeo & Juliet); I simply couldn't bear to sit and watch this to the end, especially as we are told at the start what happens at the end! Still, it's an extraordinary film, and made with undoubted chutzpah, so maybe others will react in the opposite way to me. I'd be fascinated to know, honestly. With thumbs in the downward position... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 20:57:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC thoughts - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I get really > worried about the bellicose talk that is springing > up now (both here in > England and, from what I read, in the USA) about > bombing X, Y or Z to > buggery. Like that's going to help one bit. I > truly believe it can only > make things worse, and hope that wiser counsel will > prevail, even if it is > only for the purely pragmatic reason that bombing > more people is more likely > to strengthen the resolve of the next generation of > suicidal psychopaths than > to cow them. Wouldn't it be nice if the entire world worked together to arrest those who are responsible for this - - including any world leaders, if they condone it - and put them on trial in a world court? I see no point in bombing the crap out of regular Joes throughout the world just to get back at those few maniacs who do and condone these kinds of deeds - this is the very act that disgusts us all that just happened in the USA. While I am really, really tempted in a case like this to say, "Go ahead! Bomb the bastards!" I realize that the average person in any of those countries ruled by fundamentalist fanatics is just here to live their life, to do their job, to love their family. We have no quarrel with the regular working people, and if they have any with "us", it's only because their media is so controlled that they don't see the regular people just living their lives - they see "us" as evil. And, let's face it - there are many among "us" who see "them" the same way. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:59:55 -0700 (PDT) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Take a look at my online photos! I created an album of some photos I took today at Washington Rock State Park in Greenbrook, NJ. The strategic location of Washington Rock made it a valuable lookout point during the American Revolution for General George Washington in June of 1777 when the British army under General William Howe was moving toward Westfield. From the vantage point of this natural rock outcropping, General Washington had a thirty-mile panoramic view of the valley and was able to instruct his troops to circle behind Howes troops and cut off their retreat. Hey New York, New Jersey hears you man! It's easy to view my new photo album. Just go to the Web page below. http://www.ofoto.com/I.jsp?m=10383241203&n=545258434 When you get to Ofoto, you may be asked to register or sign in. To register, just fill out the form, then click on Join to take advantage of great Ofoto services. To sign in, simply use your Ofoto log in and password. For your convenience, our customer service center is open seven days a week. 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I > defy anyone to listen to Love Is Everything, or > Calling All Angels or The > Vigil and stay angry. > I listened to that non-stop during the time my mother was dying and until after the funeral. I agree, it's IMO particularly healing music. NP Beatles - Sun King Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:03:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: St Pauls - --- Mags wrote: > When I see the images on the front page of the > newspaper in > colour, it confirms that. I look inside and see a > black and > white image of a young firefighter in full gear, > covered in > soot , a tender portrait of him with eyes closed, > head > leaning on hand, asleep. Resting . It broke my > heart. That > picture said so much. And then there are the images > of > ground zero. Terrifying. The overwhelming images > still > cannot find their way inside me to a place of > believing > this really happened. There were several images in today's paper (yes, I read the paper today) that really got to me. One was a photo essay in the Globe and Mail - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/special/attack/ then click over on the right bar under the photo of the firefighters, where it says "click here for photo essay." They are all very touching, but the one that hit me most was the photograph of the young woman standing on the street looking totally confused and terrified. The Toronto Star also had a photo essay but most touching - most to the bone - were photos of people confirmed dead. People young and old, male and female, people of all colours: http://thestar.ca/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=2a2cd4b146d6e2a6&pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1000505000970&call_page=TS_World&call_pageid=968332188854&call_pagepath=News/World and, Queen Elizabeth, wiping a tear from her eye. I don't think we've ever seen the queen cry in public before, not that I remember. > I must say how touched and grateful I am to everyone > for > writing and sharing their experiences . I have > learned so > much from you. > > > the road is long. > I agree. You who were there need to talk about it. We who weren't there but who are frightened just the same, need to hear about it. It's part of the healing process and it's going to be a long process. In my mind, I'm hearing a song sung by Holly Cole, but I'm not sure who wrote it. The words go like this: Cry if you want to I won't tell you not to I won't try to cheer you up I'll just be here if you want me It's no use in keeping a stiff upper lip You can weep, you can sleep, you can loosen your grip You can frown, you can drown, or go down with the ship You can cry if you want to Don't ever apologize venting your pain It's something to me you don't need to explain I don't need to know why, I don't think it's insane You can cry if you want to The windows are closed,the neighbours aren't home If it's better with me than to do it alone I'll draw all the curtains and unplug the phone You can cry if you want to You can stare at the ceiling and tear at your hair Swallow your feelings and stagger and swear You can show things and throw things and I wouldn't care You can cry if you want to I won't make fun of you, I won't tell anyone And I won't analyze what you do or you should have done I won't advise you to go and have fun You can cry if you want to Well, it's empty and ugly and terribly sad I can't feel what you feel, but I know it feels bad I know that it's real and it makes you so mad You could cry Cry if you want to, I won't tell you not to I won't try to cheer you up I'll just be here if you want me to be near you. NP holly Cole - Cry (I had to go fetch the CD in order to remember the words.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:18:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Our national tragedy -- and the unbelievable crap it breeds(NJC) - --- Kakki wrote: > I think people need to take the media to task for > some of this. For years > now CNN and other outlets have put these clowns on > as some sort of "voice of > the Christian right." This is all calculated and > utter bullshit. They > know these clowns are not representive of most any > real Christian voice I totally agree. These people aren't Christian at all. They are extremely repressed, hateful and ridiculous and why anyone would quote them, rather than sending them for a psychiatric evaluation as posing a danger to themselves but mostly to others, is beyond me. I'm really surprised that they continue to get any support at all, much less media coverage. Most people who talk the way they do can be seen on street corners yelling that the end is near and carrying picket signs with bible mis-quotes in purple crayon. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:25:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Moulin Rouge - just say no kids! njc Azeem, you've brought some much-need laughter to the list - in particular I enjoyed this bit: - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > It's > like being hit over the > head with a Jeff Koons catalogue while being > force-fed speed. The sets are > so garish that I got a headache; the acting is hammy > beyond belief; the > dialogue is variously overcooked and bathetic; the > cartoonish sound effects > are baffling (whooshing sounds when people turn > their heads!); the relentless > speed of the editing make the average pop video look > like a televised debate > in the House of Lords; the camera work screams "look > at me! Look at me!" - as > does Nicole Kidman's performance. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:42:26 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: ** JONI RERELEASES WITH BONUS TRACKS SOON!! ** 100% JC I may have missed this but JJ has posted a link to an interview in Billboard Magazine. Go to www.jonimitchell.com and read up. You'll thank me. Woo Hoo! Lama np: VHS concert by the Indigo Girls ($5.95 USD in the second hand store. Hell yah!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:44:58 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: prayers of the people for Sunday (njc) Vince, An absolutely beautiful prayer. My heart was very touched while reading it. Sherelle In a message dated 09/15/2001 5:13:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 18:44:12 -0400 > From: Vince Lavieri > Subject: prayers of the people for Sunday (njc) > > I invite comments as I seek to finalize this - ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:45:17 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: ** ALL NEW RELEASE TO BE A 2-CD SET ** 100% JC, short HOLD THE PRESSES!!!! Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:46:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: the forwarded article about how wonderful americans are - --- Kate wrote: > > I also feel an intense gratitude to those people who > are in New York and > Washington right now doing the rescue work. They > are, to my mind, doing > me a personal favour by putting themselves through > that hell -- which is > exactly what it must be, for them. They are doing > what I wish I could be > there doing, taking some of the load in a physical > way. > > I feel so helpless and so, so sad. > Same here. It's at times like these (what times like these? Nothing like this has ever happened - here in North America anyway. The world for that matter. there have been natural disasters - hurricanes, earthquakes, foods. There have been unnatural disasters - bombings, suicide raids, but this... It's at *this* time, I wish I had done something useful and practical, like going into medicine or nursing, so there would be something real and practical I could do to help. I overheard a couple of people talking in the elevator on Friday - one was asking the other if she thought she would be going to New York. I work for the ministry of health, so there are a lot of health professionals who work there. This lady was a nurse. Our provincial government has asked anyone with a background in counselling or whatever if they want to volunteer to help out in grief counselling or whatever, should the need arise, to go to New York, or elsewhere to help out in this. I wish I could do that. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:03:04 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: St Pauls (njc) catherine pointed to some toronto globe and mail coverage. i was just blown away by this story. just remember that he was in the second tower to be hit, but the first to collapse at around 10 am.... - ----- The man who went down instead of up When your building is on fire you have to make split-second decisions: the window, the stairs, the roof? Canadian Brian Clark's colleagues headed to the top of the World Trade Center - and almost certain death. He told The Globe's SHAWNA RICHER he never saw them again By SHAWNA RICHER, The Globe and Mail Saturday, September 15, 2001 For the past 27 years, Brian Clark has gone daily to his office at the World Trade Center. Never again. "It is going to be strange," said the 54-year-old Toronto native and executive vice-president of Euro Brokers, an international brokerage firm whose offices occupied the 84th floor of the South Tower. "I don't know what to expect." Three days after the horrifying terrorist assault on New York's financial district, Clark related an emotional tale, a miraculous mixture of instinct and fate and luck that guided him 84 floors to safety during the attack. Fifty-nine of his 275 colleagues are missing. He spoke yesterday from his home in Mahwah, N.J., where has lived with his wife Dianne, his Thornhill, Ont., high-school sweetheart, since Euro Brokers relocated from Toronto in 1974. The couple have four children, two still at home. When he arrived after airplane attacks that left the World Trade Center and much of the financial district a smoldering ruins, he drove into the driveway honking the horn. Dianne and daughter Kristen and son Tim, neighbours and friends, raced across the lawn to welcome him. That's when he cried. "Yeah, I did then. And I am now." Several hours had passed since he had gone to the office that morning, but Clark had no sense of what had really taken place, that the world had changed, that it would never be the same. "While everything was happening, time was suspended. I was in a bit of a bubble. I knew nothing about the Pentagon or the hijacked planes. I knew I was fine. I'm an optimistic person. I had a faith in me and I proceeded that way."  Clark had been at his desk about an hour when the first plane, American Airlines Flight 11, slammed into the neighbouring North Tower. Some of his colleagues left their desks and started down the stairs. But many did not, thinking it was a light aircraft accident, an isolated incident. "The first plane's impact was a wonderment, initially," he said. "I called my wife to say a plane hit the World Trade Center but not to worry because it's the other tower. Shortly after that, an announcement came over the public address system that our building was secure and for workers to return to their desks. It turned out to be wrong. "We watched Tower One burning for 15 minutes. My colleagues saw people jumping out windows. I didn't. I couldn't. One woman in tears screamed, `Brian, people are dying.' She ran to me. I encircled her with my arms. She went into the ladies room to compose herself. That was 10 minutes before the plane hit us. I didn't see her again. She'd probably gone back to her desk." There were about 60 of Clark's co-workers on the floor when United Airlines Flight 175 slammed into their building, five to 10 floors below their office. Clark was huddled with a half-dozen people. "Instant destruction. It was as if the building rocked and swayed. It might have only been a matter of feet, but it felt like yards. The ceilings collapsed. Speakers, lighting fell. Doorways popped out of walls. Drywall shredded. Floors popped up. Our group just knew right away: terrorism. Before, with the first plane, you didn't know. We knew then. "We took off down the hallway, into the centre core, to stairway A. But we'd only gone a few floors when we encountered a heavy-set woman laboriously coming up the stairs with a more frail man. We said we were going down. They said they'd just come from a floor in flames." The group going down began to argue with the couple going up. They were on the 81st floor. "It became quite an argument there on the stairs. There was debris and it was dusty, but it was mostly construction dust. You could start to smell the fire. I said we had to get below the flames. The lady was arguing with me. In the back of my mind. I just had this instinct that down was better than up. "Then I heard someone banging on the wall, saying, `Help me, help me. I can't breathe. I can't get out.' " As Clark moved toward the voice, the others decided to return to their office, above the fire where they hoped helicopters would rescue them and sprinklers would douse the blaze. Only one other member of the group, fellow Canadian Ron DiFrancesco from Stoney Creek, Ont., would descend the 81 floors. As the others were climbing to their inevitable deaths, Clark discovered a hole in the wall. He squeezed through it to find the source of the voice: Stanley Praimnatch, a Fuji Bank employee from Elmont, N.Y. "I have this image of four of my workmates turning around and helping this woman and saying, `We can do it. We'll be fine,' " Clark said. "I have this image of heroes making a very bad decision. "The beams were melting and the building was coming in." DiFrancesco, meanwhile, felt overcome by smoke and fumes, and started down the stairs while Clark was helping Praimnatch from under some rubble. Clark would not learn of his whereabouts until hours later, when DiFrancesco turned up at St. Vincent's Hospital, suffering from a head wound. "The fumes weren't slowing me down," Clark said. "After I wrestled with what Stanley was buried under, he gave me this big hug. We started down the stairwell, and amazingly, there was no one there. We headed down. "Finally, we got to a lit stairway with clean air about the 70th floor. From 81 to 70, we were going over shrapnel, drywall and debris. It wasn't easy, but we were working hard to get out of the building. When we got to the 70th floor, the lights were on and I saw Jose Marrero, a fellow who works with me. He had a walkie-talkie and he was going up. I said, `Don't go up.' But he kept walking up, saying he had to help the others. Again, I saw a hero making a bad decision. And I didn't know where Ron was, but I was hoping he'd just gone down." When they arrived at the 44th floor, a sky lobby, they found a security guard tending to a man with severe head injuries. The guard asked them to find help. They continued to the 31st floor. "We found a conference room. The phones were working. I called my wife and said we were close to getting out. It was about 20 minutes to 10 o'clock. It was 35 minutes after the plane had hit. So the anguish back home was enormous. Stanley called his daughter. Then I called EMS to tell them about the injured man. At that point, the sense of urgency was muted. I was actually on hold with EMS for about four minutes, which now seems unreal. We actually felt quite safe, with no concept that the building would collapse." After making three phone calls, the pair continued their descent. They encountered no obstacles and quickly covered the last 30 floors, finally emerging inside the concourse at street level. "Suddenly, we were looking at the plaza and it looked like a moonscape. Usually, there is a fountain and flowers and people. But it was just debris everywhere. Parts of the plane were there. Pieces of wall. It looked like it had been deserted for a hundred years. We saw a policeman, who calmly told us to go to Victoria's Secret, then turn to Sam Goody and out onto Liberty Street. We got outside, and thought we'd made it. Then a cop said if we were going to cross the street, we'd better run for it, because there was debris falling everywhere. Nobody was around. There's normally so many people. It was eerie. It was surreal. "We headed down the street, south a few blocks to Trinity Church. Stan said, `Let's go into this church.' But first we stopped and turned to look at the World Trade Center and Stan said that the tower could come down. I said, `No way. It's a steel structure. There's no way.' I finished that sentence and the tower plummeted. Our jaws dropped. Then the plume rose. Everybody ran. The dust engulfed everything. We ran. I ended up at the Fulton Ferry Terminal. I couldn't believe my luck. A fellow was announcing the next ferry was for Jersey City, and that's where I was going. Not a long time after that, we were again engulfed by a big cloud of black dust, the result of Tower One falling down." Clark boarded the ferry. It sailed around the southern end of Manhattan. Passengers were speechless, staring in awe at the changed landscape. "For 27 years, I've worked at the World Trade Center and suddenly it wasn't there any more," he said. "You could see the collateral damage and you just knew the devastation was far beyond imagining. I wasn't sure what the future was." The ferry docked and he called his wife. He walked a mile to the Hoboken train station. "Again I was lucky. There was a train waiting. And I went home."  It wasn't until hours later, and even the following day, that the magnitude of the trauma began to sink in. Praimnatch, the man Clark had rescued on the 81st floor, phoned at midnight to say he had been at the hospital, pretty scraped up, but alive. "He said, `You saved my life.' But I think he may have saved mine. When I stopped to help him, the others went up and I stayed. It was my instinct to go down, but stopping to help him . . . you never know. We will be lifelong friends, for sure. "All these things happen for a reason. I've had to talk to the wives whose husbands went back up the stairs. I've had to tell that story many times. They're concerned and worried. They're not grieving quite yet. But I think it may be starting to sink in. You have to be realistic. At the same time, we're going to try and recreate a business. We still have offices in London and Toyko. We still have a lot of good employees. The focus has to be on healing a bunch of wounds of people we love. It is hard. It is. But you have to be optimistic." Clark won't take his telephone off the hook. He allows it to ring almost endlessly, though he likely needs sleep and serenity and the comfort of his family more than anything. He holds out hope that missing colleagues will turn up, even as he watches the horror unfold on television, again and again. Not surprising, one image haunts more than others - the second plane slicing into his building. "It's something I can't get rid of," Clark said. "It wasn't until the next day that I saw it. And the strange thing is that I experienced it, but I didn't see it. To see it now, and know that plane is hitting six floors below mine. "I haven't reached the anger stage yet. Apparently, I have yet to go through that. I guess that will happen. I'm not normally an angry person. Maybe I won't be. I don't know. At the moment, I'm more in sorrow and sympathy. "It's had an effect on me. My emotions are different today than they were the day before. Today, a lot more emotions set in on me. I don't know what good will come of this. I'm aware of the ramifications of retribution. And that there is some evil that needs to be stopped. "But vengeance is the Lord's work. Not mine." >http://www.theglobeandmail.com/special/attack/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:39:05 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: nyc coping 9-15-01... njc this morning i took the same train across the bridge, looked again at the same space in the skyline... the clearest view of all today, i could even see the damaged towers of world financial center further away than the wtc towers were, wfc was never before visible from this point. and 1 liberty plaza, the black 54-story building they thought was going to collapse on thurs. still standing. still dust and smoke rising from the site tho, day and night. tonight my sis and i visited union square again... last night it was a sea of humanity. this night a little less dense but still thick with mourners, visiting the various and variable memorials that have sprung up. people are expressing their grief in so many ways. one guy just bought a roll of redwhiteblue ribbon and some safety pins. just cut it up and give out. will it stop terrorism? i don't know but i was moved. union square has truly become something beautiful and handmade, a city pouring out its heart in the purest way. i tried to say last night, but didn't get it right, that i think that the huge number of "missing" flyers, taped to surfaces in every neighborhood but also all over our memorial gathering spots like union square... these are the memorials. i look at each flyer, memorize each face and i think everyone does. back to brooklyn, once again checking the changed skyline from the train, now at night, spontaneously talking with the girl in the seat behind me. new yorkers are tawking to each other more than we ever have in the history of the city. looking at the changed financial district skyline at night, you can see where there is still no power. and where there is no skyline... the wtc site is i think lit artificially and dust and smoke is still rising... i reread posts about this whole event tonight, especially kay's. i'm stunned by what she's been through. you know, kay. so much love and support to you kay... - ---- as i wrote to a friend earlier.... - ---- sometimes i think it just gets worse every day, but we move forward... patrick np - silence, but my window candle is lit... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 21:51:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: falwell NJC Dear Friends, I have just read and signed the online petition: "Denounce Jerry Falwell" hosted on the web by PetitionOnline.com, the free online petition service, at: http://www.PetitionOnline.com/falwell/ I personally agree with what this petition says, and I think you might agree, too. If you can spare a moment, please take a look, and consider signing yourself. __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:21:13 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: nyc coping 9-15-01... njc i've also found this set of photos really compelling. especially to those of us who know the lay of the land down there. world financial center, a smaller and i think prettier complex of business building than wtc, has also been very damaged in this disaster, and these folks lived very close and a little above wfc. patrick, in silence http://www.punkfu.com/photo/gallery/2001-09-11-MarkNY ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 01:24:49 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: ** ALL NEW RELEASE TO BE A 2-CD SET ** 100% JC, short Yeah: twenty-four Joni songs, no less. And I can hardly wait until the re-issue including vintage Joni singing "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue." My goodness, now that "Urge for Going" was finally made available, is *everything* possible? Thanks for the pointer to the article. So nice to have some news that's a bit gentler than some of the other news. Cheerz, Janet and Deanna, who woke up to demand another Fishy treat before flopping into a ball on the love seat yet again At 11:45 PM 9/15/2001 -0400, you wrote: >HOLD THE PRESSES!!!! > >Lamadoo - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Sep 2001 00:04:32 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Auden (njc) my, yael, you have giftedly found a poem of such depth of meaning...and how it seems it could have been written this very week...how often poetry is prophetic...thankyou very much! yesterday, victor's "angel in manhattan"... today, your auden selection... shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 23:03:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: repent! njc "Today, I'm calling on Jerry Falwell to repent -- and to repudiate his own cruel and untrue attack on the gay community." A friend called their prayer hotline asking them to pray for Jerry so that he would stop spreading the word of of Satan! The phone lady sputtered & didn't know how to handle the request. She (my friend) said everytime someone calls their prayer line it costs them money... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #411 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?