From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #405 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 14 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 405 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Buckingham Palace(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] breaking news(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Eerie [Catherine McKay ] Stress and support njc [Catherine McKay ] No JC Canada's Trib to USA Long but worth it [Monafitz@aol.com] Re: Julian of Norwich (sjc) ["shane mattison" ] september 11, 2001 - njc ["patrick leader" ] Yang Energy ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Nostradamus on Joni? [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Buckingham Palace(njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Support (njc) ["Kakki" ] Still...I keep the hours and the company that I please ["Patricia O'Conno] man, scary njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] man, scary njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Support (njc) [Mags ] Re: Nostradamus on Joni? [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Nostradamus on Joni? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Nostradamus on Joni? ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: marcel - njc [jan gyn ] Re: Nostradamus on Joni? (NJC) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Paz (NJC) [Mags ] Re: NJC-Canada has a serious problem [Catherine McKay ] RE: Nostradamus on Joni? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] You have a free online greeting card number 1320494298403 waiting for you! [nuriel@wowmail.com (Nuriel Tobi] Re: Support (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: NJC Grace and peace [RobSher50@aol.com] You've received a postcard from Nuriel Tobias! [nuriel@wowmail.com] Re: NJC Canada's Trib to USA Long but worth it ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Goodbye ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Goodbye ["J. R. Mills" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:38:05 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Buckingham Palace(njc) I saw tonight in London(on the news), a marching band at Buckingham Palace play "The Star Spangled Banner". It really made me feel a sense of solidarity and support from around the world. It struck me more than any of the countless other times I've heard or sung it(once at a women's basketball game in college w/ a cheat sheet :~}) I just thought it was very cool. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:52:51 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: breaking news(njc) Apparently, several men were arrested today in New York with open tickets, false id's, knives, and pilot licenses from the flight school in Florida. Very creepy! Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:59:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Eerie - --- Mark Domyancich wrote: > This has been debunked: > http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm > > Mark > NP-Grateful Dead, Providence RI 9/15/73-Weather > Report Suite > > At 9:27 PM -0700 9/12/01, Craig Harris wrote: > >Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: Thank goodness for that. I'm so fed up with people quoting (or misquoting!) Nostradamus - if you've ever read any of his stuff, it's almost impossible to read anyway, much less interpret - it sure isn't in such "plain English" as that so-called quote. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:08:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Stress and support njc I understand people's stress over the horrific events of the 11th and how it brings us to arguing over what are basically pretty petty things. I just hung up the phone talking to my ex who wanted me to help him write his frigging resume. I am so fed up with helping him write his resume, or his covering letter, and I told him if he wanted to come over on the weekend and use the computer to do it, that's fine with me, but I didn't want to be here hanging around. Things turned to yelling and I hung up on him and now the phone is off the hook. I don't want to talk to him. Some of this surely relates to the stress of the recent and ongoing tragedy in the U.S. Some of it is just him being a pain in the ass and me being bitchy about it. Things I noticed today... Planes in the sky again. An Air Canada stewardess walking up Yonge Street with her bags on one of those wheeled things - probably coming home from a trip, or maybe headed out on one. I was tempted to stop her and talk to her or hug her, or shake her hand or something, and tell her she'd be all right, but I stopped myself - she probably would have thought I was nuts. An American flag on someone's front lawn. Lineups of people at the American Consulate (I guess I called it Embassy the other day, but I suppose if it's not in a country's capitol city, it's actually a consulate) probably going in to sign books of condolence. Flowers piled up outside - it made me glad to see my fellow Canadians offering their support like that. A memo from the head civil servant here in the Ontario gov't where I work to all employees thanking those who had helped out with emergency preparedness here; and giving them phone numbers, websites and so on for the Red Cross, Canadian Blood Services and others, so people could help our neighbours in whatever way we can. Oh these times, these times. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:24:40 EDT From: Monafitz@aol.com Subject: No JC Canada's Trib to USA Long but worth it Subject: FW: TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES - editorial from a Canadian news paper > >> America: The Good Neighbor. > >> > >> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given > >> recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from > >> Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > >> commentator. What follows is the full text of his > >> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: > >> > >> > >> "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for > >> the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least > >> appreciated people on all the earth. > >> > >> Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and > >> Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the > >> Americans who poured in billions of dollars and > >> forgave other billions in debts. None of these > >> countries is today paying even the interest on its > >> remaining debts to the United States. > >> > >> When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956, > >> it was the Americans who propped it up, and their > >> reward was to be insulted and swindled on the > >> streets of Paris. I was there. I saw it. > >> > >> When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the > >> United States that hurries in to help. This spring, > >> 59 American communities were flattened by tornadoes. > >> Nobody helped. > >> > >> The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped > >> billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now > >> newspapers in those countries are writing about the > >> decadent, warmongering Americans. > >> > >> I'd like to see just one of those countries that > >> is gloating over the erosion of the United States > >> dollar build its own airplane. Does any other > >> country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo > >> Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10? > >> If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the > >> International lines except Russia fly American > >> Planes? > >> > >> Why does no other land on earth even consider > >> putting a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese > >> technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about > >> German technocracy, and you get automobiles. > >> You talk about American technocracy, and you find > >> men on the moon - not once, but several times - > >> and safely home again. > >> > >> You talk about scandals, and the Americans put > >> theirs right in the store window for everybody to look at . > >> Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and > >> hounded. They are here on our streets, and most of them, > >> unless they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting > >> American dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here. > >> > >> When the railways of France, Germany and India > >> were breaking down through age, it was the Americans > >> who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and > >> the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them > >> an old caboose. Both are still broke. > >> > >> I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced > >> to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name > >> me even one time when someone else raced to the > >> Americans in trouble? I don't think there was > >> outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake. > >> > >> Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one > >> Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get > >> kicked around. They will come out of this thing with > >> their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled > >> to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating > >> over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not > >> one of those. > >> > >> > >> Stand proud, America! > >> > >> > >> This is one of the best editorials that I have ever > >> read regarding the United States. It is nice that > >> one man realizes it. I only wish that the rest of > >> the world share his insight. We are always blamed for > >> everything, and never even get a thank you for the > >> things we do. > >> > >> I hope each of you send this to as many people as you can and emphasize that they > >> should send it to as many of their friends until this letter is sent to every person on the web. Mona A. Fitzgerald monafitz@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:42:32 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: Julian of Norwich (sjc) oh thankyou, ashara, for that wonderful verse... Lady Julian was one of the favourites of thomas merton, and joni is a reader of thomas merton, another circle of healing... shane ----- Original Message ----- From: AsharaJM@aol.com To: cactussong@home.com ; joni@smoe.org Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2001 6:13 PM Subject: Julian of Norwich (NJC) Shane wrote: Lady Julian of Norwich said that ultimately, "All shall be well, and all manners of things shall be well..." which made me think of a dance we do in Sacred Circle Dance. The song is based on this saying, and what better time to think of it. The yellow daffodil coming through the snow makes me think of the hope we all must have for this country to get back on it's feet, coming up through the dust. Thank you, Shane for reminding me of this. BELLS OF NORWICH Loud are the bells of Norwich , and the people come and go. Here by the town of Julian, I tell you what I know. Chorus: Ring out, Bells of Norwich, and let the winter come and go. All shall be well again, I know. Love like the yellow daffodil is coming through the snow. Love like the yellow daffodil, it touches all I know. Chorus. Ring for the yellow daffodil, a flower in the snow. Ring for the yellow daffodil, and tell them what I know. Chorus. Final Chorus: All shall be well, Ibm telling you, Let the winter come and go. All shall be well again, I know. Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:02:08 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: september 11, 2001 - njc i am sorry i wasn't able to write a long message last night. it took me so long to get my email sorted out and then there were 260 messages. plus phone messages and private messages i needed to respond to. i was so moved by the concern of my lister friends. thank you, bless you. i've saved every message and will read them again and again. bless you chris marshall for calling and passing the message along that i was fine. bless you my sister heather for your phone call. i spoke with kay, but i think she was incredibly brave and true to document her experience for us... i bless and thank her for that. and i also found pearl's post so moving and appropriate. i remember your dance, congratulate you on your anniv, commiserate that the day is compromised forever, celebrate your daughter and son-in-law's survival, and thank you for posting... i'm going to try and write a little bit about what it's been like for us here in ny, on the supposition that you'd like to hear. next post. patrick, still shaky, but feeling so much supported by community np - gavin bryars - BIPED also, as far as i can tell, this, my first post tuesday and edited weds, still hasn't gotten through. i think it's important, so i'll try again. - ------ folks, i wrote this last night but my earthlink was compromised for northeasterners. i decided not to edit at all... - --------- my neighborhood, even my apartment, smells like smoke. here in my part of brooklyn, even ten miles away, we are downwind of what used to be world trade center. it is still burning and we can smell it. i don't really smell death, but i can't help but imagining... i was on a commute train from brooklyn across the manhattan bridge at 8:50 this morning and the conductor said 'if you're going to world trade center, please don't as we have reports of an airplane having hit one of the towers' so as we came out onto the bridge we all went to look, and the north tower was on fire. very scary, terrifying. the conductor even said, 'if you look out the window, you can see wtc on fire' but as we were watching, a plane flew into the south tower. i didn't actually see the plane, but i saw the explosion and i have never been more frightened in my life. people on my train went from perturbed to crying and screaming. our conductor said again 'again, if you look out the window, you can see wtc on fire' and someone said, 'just get us the fuck off this bridge!' i felt so under attack. i'm trying to just give experience, not my opinions. but i do think that we are at war, and we in new york might feel that a little more strongly than the rest of you, right now. one blessing. kay ashley, my good friend who made a beautiful impression at jonifest last week, worked in wtc until two weeks ago. she'd told me that she'd changed jobs, but i'd forgotten and was completely freaking out. in manhattan, we could barely get a phone signal, on cell or other phone line for most of the day today (i spent the day with my sister) but i'd been able to leave a couple of messages on kay's home phone. many hours later i finally got a call from kay, who now works very close to the wtc, heard the explosions, was trapped in her building for several hours, and had to escape from manhattan walking across a bridge (like many folks). she was fine but jittered when she called, we spoke briefly and she now has to make other calls, especially to all the people who didn't know that she wasn't at wtc any more. i'm so happy she's alive. i don't know anyone that has died. i do NOT expect that statistic to last. patrick, with no more to say np - channel 2. i don't have cable, and every other ny station broadcast from wtc. i have one tv station... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:06:26 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Yang Energy A friend gave me a pocket Feng Shui guide for Christmas. One of the suggestions in the book (I'm paraphrasing because I can't find the book; it is pocket size, I have a ton of books and you know how that goes) is to play loud music for at least 15 minutes every day. So I'm gonna invite some bright, active, live energy into my living room by dancing around to the following selections from Shadows & Light: In France They Kiss On Main Street Black Crow Dreamland Free Man In Paris I highly recommend it. Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:31:47 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Nostradamus on Joni? In a message dated 9/13/01 5:18:56 PM, pyramus@lineone.net writes: << Mind you...he didn't mention anything about a new Joni album of completely new material in 2002 did he? >> Thanks for bringing that up, Kevin. It has made me look at the following prediction from Nostradamus in a whole new way: In the year beginning with 2-0, and ending in its reverse, the queen of heart and mind beauty will grow weary of her box of paints and sing her sorrow once again. A new silvery disc within a jewel case will appear, and as the choir proclaims this her finest gift, the uncoverted will be changed for all time. - - Nostradamus 1654 Damn, I hope this means what I think it does! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:37:12 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Buckingham Palace(njc) > I saw tonight in London(on the news), a marching band at Buckingham Palace > play "The Star Spangled Banner". It really made me feel a sense of > solidarity and support from around the world. It struck me more than any of > the countless other times I've heard or sung it(once at a women's basketball > game in college w/ a cheat sheet :~}) I just thought it was very cool. I heard this on NPR this morning & started to choke up. The tears haven't really come in full force yet. Sometimes it takes me a long time to get it out but they're there. Eventually they will come. It will probably be a song or a movie or an image on the television (unrelated to the tragedy) that triggers them. Something like that usually will do it for me. I was walking toward my place of work this morning and saw a plane in the sky. I had to stop & stare. Like others have said, I wonder if we will ever get back to 'normal' again. I fear our innocence is lost. To Mike Pritchard: Except for the part about Hiroshima, I have to say that many of the thoughts you expressed have occurred to me as well. Many people on this planet have ill-will toward the US, right or wrong. Certainly our history is not without blame or guilt. But did those innocent people deserve what happened to them? No way. No more than the residents of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, I suppose. I am very sad that Steve Dulson has left us. I wrote him a private note. I hope he returns to us soon. I'm not going to comment just yet about other discord on our list as I asked for a moratorium on it yesterday. I do wish all of you love & healing from the bottom of my heart. Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 19:21:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Support (njc) I just got home and through reading the posts of Shane in Calgary and Catherine in Toronto and now I am crying. In the wrecked state that so many of us are in, you cannot imagine how much it means to read these sweet posts of support from those of you on the list from Canada, U.K., New Zealand, Ireland and other countries. I think we Americans are feeling so scared and vulnerable by this all right now and it really is comforting to have your metaphorically kind shoulders to cry on. Thank you so much. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:46:06 -0400 From: "Patricia O'Connor" Subject: Still...I keep the hours and the company that I please I live in New Jersey. A few minutes ago I heard a loud rumbling, explosive sound in the distance. I went to the porch to see what it was...a thunder storm. I can't remember another time that I hadn't been able to recognize the sound of thunder for what it is. The following lines immediately ran through my head: "No tanks have ever rumbled through these streets And the drone of planes at night has never frightened me" Life is very different now. Patricia O'Connor p.a.oconnor@att.net ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:48:51 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: man, scary njc watching the news. who can ignore it. guess there are advantages to living in oblivion after all, cept george's ranch is only two hours away. mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:50:35 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: man, scary njc and by the way, you folks and especially you my new friends, be really careful in the real world. thinking of you. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:57:08 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Support (njc) I attended Meet the Teacher night at Miranda's school this evening. I was brought to tears by an announcement that the kids at her school have challenged all the other high schools in town to a fund raising contest .. all of the proceeds will be sent to the relief fund which has been set up. The Bank of Montreal has money boxes set up in their banks and locations all over the place. The Canadian Red Cross is taking blood donations...the list goes on. Even my work place is involved, sorry I cant disclose how, that would be breaking protocol...all the same, know that you, our American family have our support and love. All of the talk from my peers at work is filled with compassion .. sympathy .. empathy. Im so sorry too. with warmest thoughts of love, peace, healing and hope. Mags. Kakki wrote: > I just got home and through reading the posts of Shane in Calgary and > Catherine in Toronto and now I am crying. In the wrecked state that so many > of us are in, you cannot imagine how much it means to read these sweet posts > of support from those of you on the list from Canada, U.K., New Zealand, > Ireland and other countries. I think we Americans are feeling so scared and > vulnerable by this all right now and it really is comforting to have your > metaphorically kind shoulders to cry on. Thank you so much. > > Kakki - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:02:03 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nostradamus on Joni? In a message dated 9/13/01 10:37:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > In the year beginning with 2-0, > and ending in its reverse, > the queen of heart and mind beauty > will grow weary of her box of paints > and sing her sorrow once again. > A new silvery disc within a jewel case will appear, > and as the choir proclaims this her finest gift, > the uncoverted will be changed for all time. > > - Nostradamus 1654 > > I know it's just a crumb, but Smurf you crack me up rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:03:27 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Nostradamus on Joni? In a message dated 9/13/01 10:33:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > A new silvery disc within a jewel case will appear, > and as the choir proclaims this her finest gift, > the uncoverted will be changed for all time. > > - Nostradamus 1654 > > Too bad Nostradamus died in 1566 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:08:33 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Nostradamus on Joni? > > Too bad Nostradamus died in 1566 Did he die twice in 1566 or just once? I thought someone reported this fact earlier this morning. I'm glad to know that he died a second time. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 20:56:24 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: marcel - njc At 08:31 PM 9/13/01 EDT, PMcfad@aol.com wrote: (snip) >3. jangyn gets the number two phrase with....."it's like getting felt up on public transportation." so much with so few words. you must show us more of Thank you. Just don't ask me how I know (closest thing I've had to a relationship in a long time!) - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:14:52 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Nostradamus on Joni? (NJC) In a message dated 9/13/01 10:12:19 PM, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: << I'm glad to know that he died a second time. >> And that he's still dead! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:15:24 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Paz (NJC) Kakki wrote: > > << Heather mentioned earlier that she has her own reasons > for not getting involved in these particular conflicts/debates. So do I - > and they have absolutely nothing to do with Debra, Marcel, colin or you. I > hope you will understand that if something like this ever comes up again, > and not judge my silence.>> count me in on this one too Kakki. Thanks for bringing up this very good point. love, Mags. > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:15:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC-Canada has a serious problem Canada has always been too trusting. It has to stop. - --- shane mattison wrote: > the facts are too numerous to ignore...that Canada, > through mind-numbing > laxity, has become a conduit for numerous terrorist > organizations... > the background on this: > http://www.nationalpost.com/features/siege/story.html?f=/stories/20010913/685 > 401.html > > let's clean up our act, > > shane Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:29:45 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: napping Anne (njc) Anne wrote: Oh, and you may get a small chuckle out of the fact that I took a nap at this year's JoniFest and someone apparently snapped a photo as proof... Well, someone had to be caught napping :-) Hehehehe Anne that was me! I caught you and was trying to catch it on film. While I did manage to do that it came out a little blurry :-( None-the-less I did get the Jonifest nap picture! I hope to find the bottom of my suitcase sometime this year and send the pictures to Ashara. Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 00:30:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Nostradamus on Joni? njc believe it or not, it was paul himself who posted the information twice. say whatever you want aboput the guy, but when he makes a point he makes a point. w - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Victor Johnson Enviado el: Viernes, 14 de Septiembre de 2001 12:09 a.m. Para: IVPAUL42@aol.com CC: joni Asunto: Re: Nostradamus on Joni? > > Too bad Nostradamus died in 1566 Did he die twice in 1566 or just once? I thought someone reported this fact earlier this morning. I'm glad to know that he died a second time. 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Directions for saving the card to your hard drive for permanent viewing can be found at: http://freewebcards.com/save.shtml. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:45:42 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Support (njc) In a message dated 9/13/01 9:43:38 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << In the wrecked state that so many of us are in, you cannot imagine how much it means to read these sweet posts of support from those of you on the list from Canada, U.K., New Zealand, Ireland and other countries. >> I felt that way -- once again -- when I read the post below from my friend Sarah in Australia. Some of you may recall that I posted something to the list about Sarah when she sold her Boston condo -- after living there for two decades -- and moved to Australia recently. I drove her to her Logan airport a month before the hijackings for the first leg of her journey to Sydney -- a flight (shudder) from Boston to LA. The "comments from everyone" she refers to are some posts about the attack from this list which I found particularly powerful and took the liberty of forwarding to her. Here's what Sarah wrote today: Thanks for your comments and the comments from everyone -- wow. Ironically, the event happened just after I transferred from the hotel to my little studio, hence no TV. But I've been religiously reading the excellent coverage in the Sydney Morning (and special editions of the) Herald. It's all anyone's writing about and talking about on air -- this world crisis and what may ensue. My TV watching has been done only at the convenience store with Ali, a few hours a day. No kidding, everyone here is completely obsessed: John Howard, the Prime Minister, (along with so many others, as you mentioned) has pledged support in any way possible. There have been record numbers of Sydney blood donations; lines at the Town Hall of people writing condolences and making donations of all kinds to be sent; there was even mention of two little boys who donated their favorite teddy bears, since they were too young to write; Australian flags are flying at half-mast including the two on the Harbor Bridge; the Salvation Army is even setting up grief-counseling sessions and many are attending. Every one gets how big this is and that it has and will hugely affect all of us. Yeah, and pretty amazing that two of those planes originated from Logan and that they were bound for LA, holy crap. I wonder if I knew anyone on those planes. I'm so proud of those guys who organized a bunch of hostages, took on the terrorists and diverted that fourth plane to PA. Anyway, I'm here, keeping up to date as much as possible, and, of course, crying and praying that the current US administration and the world rises in a stellar way to this challenge. Wish you were here. Love, S. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 23:53:38 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Grace and peace Shane, These are excellent and true words! Thank you so much for sharing them with us. For many years I have seen the JMDL try to live according to these words, agreeing to disagree for the sake of the other. I now declare that everyone is forgiven! Give me a big group hug and get out of here! Sherelle In a message dated 09/13/2001 5:40:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > accord, of one mind. > 3: Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind > let each esteem other better than themselves. > 4: Look not every man on his own things, but every man also on the things of > others.> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:05:01 -0700 From: nuriel@wowmail.com Subject: You've received a postcard from Nuriel Tobias! You have just received a virtual postcard from Nuriel Tobias! 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We're supported by our advertisers! If you'd like to help keep us going, check out the various sponsorship buttons on our site, and visit any you find interesting! 8. We hope you have a smurfy day! - ------------------------------------------------ sender-ip: 213.8.193.73 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 21:12:43 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: NJC Canada's Trib to USA Long but worth it Thank you for posting this. I'm sure that those of you who read Gordon Sinclair's tribute to the US will infer from its content that it isn't a current editorial. Just to clarify: Gordon Sinclair (1900-1984) delivered this broadcast from Toronto on June 5, 1973, as the US was withdrawing from Vietnam. It was later printed in the US Congressional Record. Sinclair was a crusty old goat who never prevaricated when it came to expressing his opinion, so it can be assumed that he meant every word he said. Like it or not, there was no pandering going on in this broadcast! His words mean a lot to me today as a Canadian: obviously because evidence seems to be mounting that Canada's relaxed (or negligent) security and misguidedly tolerant policies may have contributed to this carnage (reports indicate that over 100 associates of bin Laden - and others - are in Canada, and that the RCMP knows about and monitors them). Citizens of both Canada and the US will have to live with tighter security precautions, probably for the rest of our lives. But his words also mean a lot because of the ungenerous, spiteful, 'Big-Bully-America-Had-It-Coming' tone of so many letters my fellow Canadians have seen fit to write to our newspapers today. I knew we could be provincial and smug, but I never knew we could be so mean- and small-spirited. I'm probably too emotional right now to write rationally about this, but when I read those letters, I was, for the first time in my life, ashamed of Canada. I'll stop now. My thoughts are with all our NYC listers who lived and continue to live through this, and to everybody around the world who lost loved ones. love from Roberto > > >> America: The Good Neighbor. > > >> > > >> Widespread but only partial news coverage was given > > >> recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from > > >> Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television > > >> commentator. What follows is the full text of his > > >> trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional Record: > > >> > > >> > > >> "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for > > >> the Americans as the most generous and possibly the least > > >> appreciated people on all the earth. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:34:10 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Goodbye Bye Steve, You are so right. There was a kind of golden age on this list - for years. Now, it is hopeless and stupid, childish and ridiculous. No judgement, bad judgement. It is permanent and perpetual, it seems. So much so, that it has silenced me almost completely. Have a good break. And come back some time soon. Few know Joni like you do. The list needs you. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2001 01:01:55 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Goodbye > Bye Steve, > > You are so right. There was a kind of golden age on this list - for years. > Now, it is hopeless and stupid, childish and ridiculous. > I completely disagree. This list is just like anything else that is real...life for instance. I could say that life itself is hopeless and stupid, childish and ridiculous but I don't believe that for a second. This has been said now several times but in the past few days, I have seen this list bond together like it never has before and the support from people has been overwhelming. It's not even worth debating. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 22:56:16 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: Goodbye I wish you had remained completely silent, Brett. Your insulting post does nothing but exacerbate whatever challenges face our Joni Mitchell Discussion List. I disagree with you categorically and feel personally affronted. We are human beings, and as such we're imperfect, but I believe we are all sincere in our admiration of Joni. How dare you pontificate, stand in judgement and sterotype 800 individuals? I'm biting back hard on my anger at your offensive behavior. I've been on this list for 5 years and I'm still fascinated, heartened, educated, enlightened, touched and encouraged by what transpires here...as much as ever. Maybe you should take a break and come back when you can appreciate again, if ever. - -Julius np: Miles of Aisles ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #405 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?