From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #402 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 402 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- colin, debra, marcel, oh my! (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Eerie ["Craig Harris" ] Re: pretty lies...(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] unity njc ["Kate Bennett" ] To Michael Paz and everyone else too (NJC) [dsk ] Re: Eerie [Mark Domyancich ] Thanks (njc) ["Craig Harris" ] Re: Eerie 9njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Paz (NJC) ["J. R. Mills" ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 1 ["hell" ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 2 ["hell" ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 3 ["hell" ] Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 4 ["hell" ] Re: Eerie [Nuriel Tobias ] NJC - one sigh of relief ["Gregg Cagno" ] Re: laugh and sing and play music (njc) [Richard Goldman ] Slings And Arrows NJC [HiBill ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:24:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: colin, debra, marcel, oh my! (NJC) people, this is one of those situations in which everybody's wrong and everybody's right. even paul iv is right: he called me a sap today because of my crying over new york and he is right: i am a sap. michael paz is one of the greatest persons on earth. zero bullshit, zero non-sense. colin is also a great guy. i don't know azeem or debra but i have no reason to believe they are not great people too. and i consider marcel one of the most talented people i have ever met. whatever has been going on between all of you people, i respect your complaints and your peeves. i also respect les's decision to disinvite marcel. i know he must have thought about it very carefully and that he must have hated having had to come to such a decision. as far as i'm concerned, you can go on bickering and fighting till judgment day, a day that i am sure is at hand, so no problem after all. i just wanted to say that you're all full of shit and still you're all right. go figure. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 22:00:01 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: John Cale At 01:04 PM 9/11/01 EDT, Reuben3rd@aol.com wrote: >>>Debra said: NP: John Cale's Hallelujah in the promo for tv show Third Watch. >Can anyone point me in the right direction for getting started with John Cale? I'm not that familiar with him, but saw him perform with The Creatures (GREAT SHOW!!) in 1998. I really liked his sets, and wondered where I should begin... My favorite Cale is 'Paris 1919', which was released in the early '70s. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:27:07 -0700 From: "Craig Harris" Subject: Eerie Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: "In the year of the new century and nine months, From the sky will come a great King of Terror... The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. Fire approaches the great new city..." "In the city of york there will be a great collapse, 2 brothers torn apart by chaos while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb third big war will begin when the big city is burning" - - NOSTRADAMUS (1654) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:09:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: pretty lies...(NJC) - --- Ricw1217@aol.com wrote: > yesterday i picked up lindsay, (who is 10 years old > now) as i do every > afternoon on my way home from work, and i asked her > if she had heard about > the events of the day. This is very similar to how my son (he has just turned 11) reacted. He wanted to know if they were going to come "here" and I had to tell him, no, they're not going to come here. He did his screaming and crying when he saw the film on TV - I don't know whether it's right to let kids see this stuff, but I don't think there's any way you can avoid it - it's everywhere. I figure if he's going to see this, it's better to see it when he's with his family so we can hold him and hug him. He wanted to go after the people that did it and kill them. I had to tell him, well, you can't really do that can you? that's not the way to do it (and anyway, they're aleady dead, aren't they?) He hasn't said a word about it today and this is strange, because Matthew is a kid with a LOT of anxieties. He gets worried out of proportion about things that wouldn't bother most people at all. I'm sure that the numbness a lot of us feel about this a great deal of the time is a form of self-protection, much as someone who is in a bad accident doesn't remember the event but sometimes, later, things come back to them bit by bit - it's just too much to cope with. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:20:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: unity njc My prayers go out to all of you who are worried about friends you have not heard from. I am so relieved to hear from all of you New Yorkers...Kay & Debra, thank you for sharing your stories with us, so frightening...so relieved to hear you are safe. This is a time of such deep sorrow. Yet there is still much sweetness in the midst of all the sorrow. Hearing the congress singing together on the steps of the capitol building yesterday. It made me cry, then I laughed because they sounded pretty good. And again I was reminded of the unity of music that crosses borders of all kinds. I hear stories of how heroic & calm the actions of new yorkers were in the face of something we have never experienced here in the USA. I listened to the Mayor of NYC talking about how there was no looting. I hear of all of the countries who are speaking up in support of our country. I look for signs of unity & human kindness that help to help balance the deep sorrow & shock of what happened yesterday. In time it will be easier to discuss some of the other aspects of this event. Right now, on behalf of those who are reeling from this horror, especially those who were there & those who are worried about friends & family who are not accounted for I beg for us all to bite our tongues, sit on our hands, refrain from sending anything that might be divisive. Words of unity, compassion, & love are what will help us all through this difficult time. Thanks for listening, Kate ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:02:04 -0400 From: dsk Subject: To Michael Paz and everyone else too (NJC) Michael, I have been rougher on you than you deserve and I'm very sorry for that. Yesterday I expected to reread and rethink what you and I had said and try to sort that out today. Instead of doing that I added to the misunderstanding between us by losing it over one of your posts to the list. My reaction toward you today was way overboard. You were not the appropriate target for the anger and hurt and frustration I was feeling when I sent that message. I realized yesterday I'd given you the impression in an earlier message that I think badly of you and that's never been the case. I've always seen you as one of the most generous people on the list, one of the most generous people I've ever known. The New Orleans Jonifest you organized almost completely on your own, the shrimp, the writing to the list even when you're overworked and exhausted... all those show your kind and generous spirit. So please be patient while I sort some things out and the stress of the events in NYC lessen a bit, and know for now that even though I've disagreed with you on a couple of points recently, and will perhaps still disagree once I've thought things over, I've never thought badly of you and am truly sorry that I've treated you so harshly. And to other listmembers too... my message today was certainly not one of my finest. Please forgive me for assaulting you all in that way. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 00:04:40 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Eerie This has been debunked: http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm Mark NP-Grateful Dead, Providence RI 9/15/73-Weather Report Suite At 9:27 PM -0700 9/12/01, Craig Harris wrote: >Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: > >"In the year of the new century and nine months, >>From the sky will come a great King of Terror... >The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. >Fire approaches the great new city..." > >"In the city of york there will be a great collapse, >2 brothers torn apart by chaos >while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb >third big war will begin when the big city is burning" > >- NOSTRADAMUS (1654) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:13:56 -0700 From: "Craig Harris" Subject: Thanks (njc) Thanks for clearing that up, Mark ! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:02:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Eerie 9njc) Well, thank God! - this is the second one I've received today from friends. Kakki (Hi Craig!! ;-) > This has been debunked: http://www.snopes2.com/inboxer/hoaxes/predict.htm > > Mark > NP-Grateful Dead, Providence RI 9/15/73-Weather Report Suite > > At 9:27 PM -0700 9/12/01, Craig Harris wrote: > >Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: > > > >"In the year of the new century and nine months, > >>From the sky will come a great King of Terror... > >The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. > >Fire approaches the great new city..." > > > >"In the city of york there will be a great collapse, > >2 brothers torn apart by chaos > >while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb > >third big war will begin when the big city is burning" > > > >- NOSTRADAMUS (1654) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:17:36 -0700 From: "J. R. Mills" Subject: Re: Paz (NJC) Thank you, Kakki, for saying what I have just been trying to summon the courage to say. Michael has been tied to the whipping post unfairly, I think. I don't quite understand how this has happened. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more kind and loving soul, or one who loves the JMDL and everyone in it more than Paz. It saddens me to the bone to see the harsh words and negativity directed at him...not so much because the words are harsh, since they are *just* words, but because I know he will be deeply hurt by the implications. - -Julius - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kakki" To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Re: Paz (NJC) > Azeem, > > You have always been one of my favorite people on the list and I have > admired in principle that you have courage to vigorously support and defend > a friend. However, you are egregiously wrong in your assessment of Michael > Paz. You are right - you do not know him well. Not your fault - but to > those of us who do know him, we cannot let this one lay here. I'm not going > to belabor here all the reasons why Paz is not the person you think he is - > he needs no detailed defense. Please, please do not make snap assumptions > of people when you do not know them or what they may or may not have done or > not done. Thank you, Kakki > > > It seems to me to be a howl of frustration at the fact that >Marcel's > abuse of her is being allowed to escape, and >that Michael seems to be > bending over backwards to >avoid reprimanding Marcel for his private posts. > >>(Michael, you and I don't know each other very well, and >have never > exchanged a cross word; I still find it sad that >you seem to be glossing > over Marcel's conduct). In > > short, I believe Debra was provoked. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:32:18 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 1 I was going to delay writing this report until the world had settled down a little, but as I said in a previous post, normality is what the terrorists DON'T want, and hopefully this report (and the memories it conjures) might make a few of you smile, and forget your troubles (and those of the world) for just a little while. I've also not labelled this NJC, as in my opinion Jonifest - being a gathering for members of the Joni Mitchell Discussion List - is directly related to Joni. Feel free to delete now if you disagree. And now onto the report: It was with mixed feelings that I made the decision to come to Jonifest. There were many factors to consider: time off work, the uncertainty of meeting (and staying with) people I don't really know, not to mention considerable expense. I now look back and think "How could I have had any doubts?" I won't mention too much of my travels outside of those directly related to the fest itself, for reasons of brevity (that's a good one, coming from me!) but will start on Friday 31st August. Lori and I left DC in her car at around 8.30am, headed for Topsfield. I had a sleepless night the night before, waking at 4.30am - far too wired to sleep. After numerous delays, pouring rain and crawling traffic, we arrived at our motel at 9.00pm, tired but anxious to get to Ashara's. We walked in the door at around 10pm (after a refreshing shower and change of clothes) to be greeted by the sight of what seemed (to me) to be hundreds of people in Ashara's kitchen. In reality there must have been about 20, but with the trepidation I was feeling walking in the door, it was quite overwhelming. My fears were short-lived. I was immediately hugged by WallyK, Bob Muller, Ashara and a host of other people, and was soon holding a cold beer, and heading for the (relative) coolness of the "smoking deck" to be greeted by another round of hugs and hellos. One thing people don't warn you about, is the incredible feeling of "family" that is evident at these gatherings. You immediately feel at home, and that you're just revisiting old friends. A unique experience. There were people gathered in groups all over the house - some rehearsing for the following day, some chatting, some just playing for the fun of it. But wherever you go, you see smiles. Part 2 to follow...... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:33:50 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 2 Lori and I left Ashara's at around 2.30am (quietly sneaking out the door) mindful of a full day's activity to come. Saturday dawned fine and much cooler than the night before - thank god. I've already said I'll never complain about Auckland's humidity ever again, but at least everyone else was as hot and sticky as I was! We arrived back around 10am to grab a quick bite to eat, and to help with some final preparations and the loading of vehicles. We then set off for the church hall, arriving around noon, with the performances already underway. The performances! What can I say that hasn't already been said? I've heard the music from previous fests, and have been impressed by what I've heard. But either people have been holding back, or everyone just found a higher level this time. There wasn't one performance that didn't scream "You should be doing this for a living!" Of course, some people are, and it was obvious why, but there were many others, some nervous, some inexperienced, but all incredible. For someone (as Kerry has pointed out) that didn't get the kd lang or Melissa Etheridge gene, it was almost disappointing not to be up there too. Far less embarassing, but disappointing. I won't describe every act I saw - and unfortunately, given the overwhelming desire to actually talk to people as well as listen (I've always liked the sound of my own voice too much) I did miss a few. Just an extra reason to look forward to receiving the CD's of the event. But some stand-out performances (for me), in no particular order: Alison, Les I, and Claudia - Alison had been stressing about this all afternoon. God knows why, it was absolutely perfect. Gregg - everyone loves Gregg, and with good reason. The man can SING. And play. And he looks pretty too. Didn't quite make "the list" but definite under-study material. John Van Tiel, Claudia, Les R, Chris - apologies if I missed someone (I feel like I did). A Crowded House song that was really special. Thank you so much. Marcel - say what you like about the man, but he can PLAY. He is an incredible musician that I felt privileged to hear. And last (definitely not least): Claudia. I could listen to Claud all day, all night, all week, all year - you get the picture. Absolutely wonderful. Now remember, I said everyone was wonderful, and I meant it. But if I'm going to keep these posts from reaching the size of a small novel, I need to be selective. Just take it as read that if you performed, I loved it and thought you were great! One other moment that stands out was the presentation. During the evening, there were several breaks in the performances for various announcements, including the raffle, giveaways, house-keeping matters. What I didn't expect was to be singled out for special attention just because I had travelled the furthest. I know everyone was blown away by the fact that I borrowed money to make the trip, but I'm damn sure other people suffered worse hardships that having a small payment to a bank for a while after they got home. But I was deeply moved by this gesture, and while I never mind being the centre of attention as a result of my own actions, I always feel profoundly embarassed to be singled out like this. Please note that my reluctance to speak or even stay on the stage for more than two seconds was not because I did not appreciate the gesture. Absolutely the opposite is true. For the record (for those nosey people who didn't see) Ashara presented me with a hand-thrown mug - a Topsfield souvenir. Ric (who unfortunately I didn't get the chance to meet) must have spent literally hours making up five tapes of randomly ordered Joni songs - I think every song she's ever recorded. Ric, I haven't thanked you even privately yet (and I will) but want to publicly acknowledge this wonderful gift, which I appreciate more than you know. If I ever needed the comfort of Joni on a flight home, it was on this trip. The rest of Saturday was much the same - listening to people perform, chatting outside with the other smokers, telling bad jokes, going on liquor-runs, drinking the liquor - you get the picture. The church "gig" wound up around 11.30pm leaving us half an hour to clean up and get out. Which we accomplished with ease. As well as having the best taste in music in the world, Jonifesters are also incredibly efficient at sweeping and mopping. Although a couple of people (I won't name names, but they know who they are) got a little over-excited at trying to inhale the helium from the balloons, when they should have been working. I, on the other hand, know where my priorities are (and I couldn't get the damn knot undone anyway). After the church it was back to Ashara's for more music and conversation. A few of us gathered in the TV room, hereafter known as the home of the "lesbian sofa". I won't go into too many details about the circumstances surrounding the naming of the furniture - it was one of those "you had to be there" kind of deals. Suffice to say, we upset the dog, alienated the cat, and Yael probably thinks we're emotionless, tactless idiots for giggling hysterically through her song. Yael, I apologise, and while I don't like casting blame, I would look in the direction of a certain bee-keeper, who while presenting a facade of caring and compassion at all times (and she does possess these great qualities) also possesses the driest, most devious sense of humour, and some people just could not control themselves! After things settled dowm, and I had left the room to compose myself (unsuccessfully, I must admit) a few others arrived back, and an impromptu concert began. Everyone seemed to have a song, but the highlight of the evening (and I would have to admit, probably the musical highlight of the trip for me) was hearing Paz, Marcel and Victor performing CSNY songs. Paz and Marcel on guitar, Victor on guitar, flute, or whatever else was lying around - to paraphrase something Bob Muller said at one point, somewhere in the world, someone is inventing a new instrument, and in 24 hours, Victor will have mastered it. Victor, I am in AWE! But these guys ROCKED! It must be so wonderful to be able to pick up an instrument like that, and just play. Saturday wound up around 4am, after several hours of listening to music, and chatting to various people. It was too cold to sit outside and chat (even making use of the Paz sandwich), and there was another full day ahead of us. Part 3 to follow..... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:34:00 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 3 Sunday dawned fine and bright again, and we were up and out at around noon. Donna, Lori, Kerry and I had decided to make use of the early afternoon with a drive into Boston to see the sights. Boy, did we see some sights! We intended going straight into the city, and getting on a Duck Boat tour, which is about an hour and a half long. Plenty of time to get back to the motel and change for Atty May's around 3pm. Or so we thought. Two hours later (not the usual 20 minutes - ohhhh, no) we made our destination - a car park in central Boston City. It was somewhat disturbing that the task of navigator fell to me - someone from another country, sitting in the back seat, on the wrong side of the car to be able to see street signs. Remind me never to go hiking with you people - we'd end up in Chile. We finally had the bright idea of asking for directions, and the very nice ex-cab-driver in the service station gave us faultless directions. Of course we went twice round the block before finding the car park entrance (another thing that the NZer was able to spot where the Americans failed) and we parked and went over to the tour kiosk. Oh dear. "Sold out for the day" generally means that you're not going to be riding around Boston looking at the sights, but there was obviously some weird kind of cosmic force working against us today. We then decide to look for somewhere to sit down for a meal. It's already 2.30pm so we figure we might as well get something out of the day. We finally end up in a little underground cafe-type place, that sells 457 types of tea. Seriously, I counted. OK, I didn't but I think my estimate is pretty damn close. We order food and drinks (two of us ordering Diet Coke instead of tea - ironic, really) and sit chatting, then once again, the NZer in the group embarasses the Americans by pointing out that we're in a place that specialises in tea, and we're in Boston. Honestly, what do they teach you in History class over there!? Finally we're headed back to Boston, and 20 minutes later we're at the motel. 20 minutes! Who'd have guessed Boston was so close! A few minutes later we're back on the road headed for Atty May's and a night of more performances, drinking and chatting. As soon as we arrive, I head down to the sea, to dip my toes in a different ocean to the one I see every day. Back to the bar, and a cold beer. I'm in heaven here. A cosy bar, great company, cold beer in my hand, and wonderful live music an arm-length away. I can see the attraction of this place. Unfortunately it seems the growth of our wee family is too much for the bar too hold, and regretfully, after hearing a great New Orleans band, we decide that due to lack of space (and breathable air) we'd be better off heading back into Topsfield. A sad end to a great night, but the night is not over. A quick note to Michael and Kakki - thank you for finding Atty May's, and introducing us to it (and her). It's a shame the night didn't work out better for all concerned - but for the record, I had a great time! So we're back to Ashara's by about 10.30pm (once again the NZer is able to navigate from the back-seat, and in the dark) otherwise Lori, Kerry and I would be somewhere in northern Maine, wondering where Ashara's house disappeared to. Another night of music and talking - this time not as cold as the previous night, so the smokers deck is a pleasant place to be. There is music going on in the other two main congregation areas, and the contrast in these two rooms has me in hysterics for quite some time. In the TV room, they're playing quiet, beautiful music, with the lights off, incense and candles burning. A really nice space to be a part of. In the music room? Complete heresy - The Ganja Line! In order to understand, take a Joni Mitchell song, and substitute the words ganja, reefer, smoke, grass etc. for every noun. Get the picture? I walked from the beautiful room, to the mad room and just burst out laughing - something that also happens a lot at Jonifest. Outside we were a lot more civilised. OK, the sheep jokes may not have been pretty, but we weren't taking the piss out of our musical icon. For the record, I think I know which room Joni would have been in, had she been there! Sunday wound up around 2.30am, with a lot of very emotional goodbyes. Luckily I knew I'd see some people the next day, so I could avoid doing it all at once, although some got a double-dose of hugs. Part 4 to follow...... ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 17:34:23 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Jonifest 2001 - a NZ perspective - part 4 We got back to the motel on Sunday and I was far too wound-up to sleep, so spent an hour or so sitting out on the deck just thinking about the whole weekend. I've been doing a lot of that since as well. Monday we were up and on our way to Ashara's around 10am, feeling pretty subdued. The mood when we arrived was much the same, with everyone sitting quietly on the deck, quietly reliving a few key moments. The activities of the night before were relayed to those that missed them, with quite a few regrets expressed. Personally the only thing I was regretting was not being able to be in every place at once for the three days I was there, and not being able to talk to everyone for at least a day each. There were some more emotional goodbyes as people were slowly removed to the airport and various other destinations. I managed to keep my composure (for the most part) when saying goodbye - helped by the fact that I'd already decided to return next year. God knows how, but I'll be there. Lori, Willy the Shake and I were on the road about 1pm, heading back to DC, via NYC to drop Willy off in Manhattan. Given the events of the last two days, I'm very glad I was able to see the city before these monstrous attacks. Something I won't forget for a while. I won't go into the details of the return trip, except to say that it was fairly emotional. People tell you what a wonderful time you'll have at Jonifest. What they neglect to tell you is how hard it is to leave. I've never had a harder time saying goodbye than I did that day. Now for the people. I'm not going to mention everyone, because it would take too long, and I'd be echoing things that others have said - probably more eloquently. I will, however, briefly mention a few people that were extra-special (in no special order): Victor - thank you for the Amy Ray stuff. Rose - thank you for the beer run - I've been thinking of you this week, and hope that things work out. I know they will. Kakki - what can I say about Kakki! What an amazing hostess. She went out of her way to make my stay in LA an absolute thrill. Driving me all over the city looking at Joni-related sites, and all this while her father was ill, and she was not 100% herself. I can't thank you enough for your incredible hospitality. Paz - great to talk to you post-fest, made me feel part of it again Lori (and Mary) - again, great hosts, and I was NOT a great house-guest post-fest! I was miserable, and despite their efforts, not really interested in anything. Thanks again for driving me to Topsfield, and showing me the sites - you know there's always a bed here, see you in 2003! Alison - thanks for making me laugh. It's always great to meet someone who love AbFab as much as I do (not to mention a love of beer - something close to my heart!) Maggie - thank you for organising the food, and sorry we didn't get to talk more Steve Polifka - thank you for my cheese-head hat (I think) and the CD Bob Muller - thanks for being you (and note that no babies were harmed by dingos in the typing of this post) Anne - wonderful to meet you at last (and I hope my gift works) Les I - the man! Didn't get to talk to you much, but thank you for starting all this. Mags and Brian - we didn't get to talk like I'd hoped, but then we didn't need to. Next year, maybe! Jimmy - the man I'd marry if he wasn't....or I wasn't.....anyway, I hope you're enjoying the Marmite! John and Claud - wonderful to meet both of you, and John, for the kitchen conversation (and the chocolates). I wish we'd had time for more. Claudia, you're not allowed to talk to me - just sing. Willy - sorry we didn't talk more, even though we had a long time in the car to do it! I know you understand my head was reeling. Susan - great meeting you, and hanging out at Atty May's Sharon - thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your wise words these last few days. Donna - almost as mad as me! The Boston trip will have me giggling for some time to come. Ashara - what a woman! Inviting 60 or 70 absolutely mad jmdlers into her home for 4 years running takes something special. You are a saint (and so is Sal)! Kerry - what can I say about Kerry. My Milwaukee kindred spirit. Laverne to my Shirley. Or probably the Shirley to my Laverne (I think I'm the madder one). Friends forever. I'm sure I've forgotten someone absolutely vital, and they're probably never going to speak to me again, but if anyone has actually read this entire monologue then I'll be very surprised! Thank you to everyone who greeted me with a smile and a hug, and who shared a conversation. That's it. My adventures in Topsfield. Obviously the story is not over - the relationships you build by meeting people face to face endure much longer than words on a computer screen, and I'll be friends with these people for a very long time. If you have read this far, and you've never been to a Jonifest, take my advice. Go. Start saving now. Sell something. Do whatever you need to, but don't let another Jonifest pass you by. You will NOT regret it. It might even change your life. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 22:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Re: Eerie The FBI should immediately find and investigate this fellow. - --- "Craig Harris" > wrote: >Nostradamus' prediction on WW3: > >"In the year of the new century and nine months, >From the sky will come a great King of Terror... >The sky will burn at forty-five degrees. >Fire approaches the great new city..." > >"In the city of york there will be a great collapse, >2 brothers torn apart by chaos >while the fortress falls the great leader will succumb >third big war will begin when the big city is burning" > >- NOSTRADAMUS (1654) _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 01:57:29 -0400 From: "Gregg Cagno" Subject: NJC - one sigh of relief Thank you for your thoughts. I was very relieved and thankful to learn today that all of my old co-workers from 2 World Trade are miraculously OK. Praying for the rest of the survivors and all the families. Gregg _______________________________________ '++;%++;'++;%++;'++;%++;'++;'++;%++;' /////////////////////////////////////// Gregg Cagno greggno@pobox.com www.greggcagno.com _______________________________________ '++;%++;'++;%++;'++;%++;'++;'++;%++;' /////////////////////////////////////// "Sing and dance way past full." - -Billy Jonas _______________________________________ '++;%++;'++;%++;'++;%++;'++;'++;%++;' /////////////////////////////////////// ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:05:39 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Re: laugh and sing and play music (njc) Tonight, Wednesday, I went to the San Francisco Symphony, Michael Tilson Thomas, conducting (what would have been last nights programme, but . . was cancelled), Mahler's "Tragic" Symphony #6. How appropos. Before the performance, he spoke, and said with all due respect and honor for the victims of the devastating tragedies in our country, musicians across the country must and will continue to make music, for its power to remind us all of our human connection: the great power of music. THen he led the orchestra in the National Anthem, as we all stood, and remained standing for a long few minutes of silence, before he began the magnificent Mahler's 6th. In the spirit of this thread, I thought I would add this experience I had tonight. Richard in San Francisco - ------------------------ .At 11:55 PM -0400 9/12/01, JMDL Digest wrote: > >Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 21:34:31 -0600 >From: "Brett Code" >Subject: laugh and sing and play music (njc) > >The Canadian country music awards were held in Calgary this past weekend. >Since none of the artists could fly home, they decided to organize a big >concert, for free, for people to laugh and sing and celebrate - all that's >good in our world and to thank the U.S. for the light it shines. Donations >are going to the Red Cross. The music is going out into the universe, to >join the light. > >Brett > >- -----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of >SCJoniGuy@aol.com >S"Don't >apologize"! We have to begin to laugh and sing and play music and celebrate, >otherwise HATE wins, and we can't let that happen. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2001 16:37:40 +1000 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Attacks I just wanted to post this to all... Nothing I can or will write will ever be able to express just how I feel and what I am experiencing. I have been incommunicado for months... putting all my Joni Digests in a folder to read one day - when I felt "happy" again. This appalling tragedy has just ripped me apart. Everyone has my heartfelt prayers and my sympathy. I feel sick, weepy and just a little frightened. My heart feels shadowed and my soul empty. This List has been so wonderful - filled with caring people, laughter, knowledge and of course- problems. Please - let's just be kind. Call this sentimental crap but I weep for humanity. I weep for my children and I weep for the little girl who thought life was beautiful. We need love especially now when all feels just hopeless. Finally - I guess I understand the absurdist movement! Take care everyone and please... let's give eachother a little compassion. Vanessa in Australia. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 23:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: HiBill Subject: Slings And Arrows NJC Dear Fellow Joni-Lovers, Like everyone else, I am still recoiling from Tuesday's events. Heartfelt prayers to all whose family and loved ones may have been affected. Being six hours behind the East Coast, I awoke at my usual time, groggy and in dire need of caffeine, when I turned on the television. Expecting to learn of the day's weather outlook and morning traffic conditions, I was instead greeted by the image of the first tower collapsing. I hate to admit it, but my initial thought was that I had the TV on HBO or one of those other stations, and I was watching a sci-fi/horror mock-doc(umentary), ala Blair Witch Project. In my hazy, half-conscious state, I wondered how they got the newscast to look so real. After switching the channel, and confronted with the same images, it took but a millisecond to realize that indeed, this really was happening. Total disbelief, first of all. Shock. Then tears. My heart aching for those lost, missing and suffering. The acute feeling that, for the first time in my life (I'm 47), our country was perilously close to war on a global scale, something I thought would never happen again in this lifetime. I was scared. I still am. Still trying to comprehend this seemingly incomprehensible chain of events. Everyone here has stated it more eloquently, gracefully and movingly, but I, too, share in the pain and sorrow and grief. The outpouring of love from throughout the country and the world, and the courage, bravery and valor of rescue personnel, medical assistance and volunteers provide comfort and solace and hope in the belief that people are basically good. At first I couldn't understand why I was so shaken. I'm 5000 miles away. I have no personal connection to the place or the people, except in the most peripheral way. ("I was just there in April!" "How will this affect my travel plans to Greece and Turkey next month?" "I have reservations for that exact United Airlines flight from Boston to Los Angeles exactly two months from today!" And later learning that one of the passengers on one of those flights lived in my community, though I did not know her.) I realized then that the people responsible for this seemed intent on targeting people just like you and me, not some nameless, faceless government or big, bad militia. People who get up every morning, go to work, pay their bills, love their families. They are our spouses and lovers, fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters. If their intent was to take down a little bit of each of us, I think they succeeded. I may be a hopeless romantic, or a cockeyed optimist, or just plain stupid, but it is my hope that we can find answers and solutions peacefully. Weren't we, after all, the ones that were going to make a difference, to "give peace a chance," to learn from history's lessons in order to avoid repeating them? It is my hope, too, that understandable as people's need for swift and decisive action is, we seek justice, not retaliation. Truth, not revenge. And that we not use this occasion to "take it out" on someone based on his/her race, national origin or religion. I know I've gone on long enough, but one final thought regarding the slings and arrows between members here. Is it just me, or does anyone else see here a microcosm of life at large: words exchanged between two people, perhaps misconstrued or ill chosen, certainly misunderstood by the other, creating a chasm between them. It grows larger, until it becomes two groups, then two factions, then two communities, until it grows and grows to two governments. I hope that we can build a bridge over this chasm so that we all may share the same space, peacefully and respectfully. Warmest Regards (And going back to lurkdom again), Bill __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #402 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?