From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #393 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, September 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 393 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Earthquake coming?NJC [colin ] Re: Earthquake coming?NJC [colin ] Re: Earthquake Came NJC [colin ] gossip ["Mike Pritchard" ] gord lived with joni and chuck ["shane mattison" ] "Ghost World"(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] joni's lipstick......"silent red" ["shane mattison" ] Re: New Dylan Album NJC ["Garret" ] Re: New Dylan Album NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Earthquake coming? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: born to take the highway [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: A musical tour of the UK (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] [Jonifest2001] Lost and Found, Part 27 [Steve Polifka ] Re: joni's lipstick......"silent red" [Randy Remote ] i'm back!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] (sjc), Earthquakes, mad cow, west nile, sheesh... [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] here again!!!!!!!! ["Wally Kairuz" ] Gillian Welch (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Gillian Welch (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re:Jonifest 2001, The Picture CD [Brian Gross ] Snakebite, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] bag balm ["shane mattison" ] [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] [dsk ] RE: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] ["Suze Cameron" ] Debs, Kakki, Brian, Mags Rose [colin ] Re: New Dylan Album NJC ["Blair Fraipont" ] Bjork - Vespertine NJC ["Garret" ] Snacks kills [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: Snacks kills [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Snacks kills(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Bjork - Vespertine NJC [] Joni to perform at John Lennon Tribute [Phyliss Ward ] Pic of joni; pix of other folk musicians ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: Joni to perform at John Lennon Tribute ["Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Earthquake coming?NJC Brian Gross wrote: > Not if you have boots and a fence > :-)) > Thanks for the image so early this morning! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:47:06 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Earthquake coming?NJC well there was an earthquake in LA last night, 1 am our time. 4.2. no one hurt. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:51:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Earthquake Came NJC > We started to bounce up and > down for about 5 seconds, nervously giggling, you would not have wanted me in your car at that time! Imagine the cleaning bill! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:03:56 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: gossip > (A meta question) Um, are we allowed to speculate/comment/ask > questions about > JM herself and her personal life? Of course we are! Like the lady (almost) says: "We're not above honour, where gossip is at stake". Mike in BCN NP - Paul Brady 'The Lakes of Ponchartrain' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:31:31 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: gord lived with joni and chuck using materials such as current biography, matthew fifer, who hosts a website for gordon lightfoot, claims about gord: <> i knew gord did early philly radio interviews with joni, but live with her and chuck? that's news to me... anyone know about this? fifer's site: http://www.mmlc.nwu.edu/~mfifer/lightfoot/ shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 07:00:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "Ghost World"(NJC) I saw this movie over the weekened.It was great! I definitely recommend it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 05:22:36 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni's lipstick......"silent red" nuriel tobias wrote: <> you're funny, nuriel, but ya ain't bill shakespeare...i exonerate myself from this outrageous charge of red web trivia .. well....uh...one last one kay? 'cause, all my scholarly interest of the lady in red has been irrefutably justified....joni wears estee lauder "silent red" lipstick.... and if you want to see just how significant a red crawler i really am, peruse for your perfidious pleasure, The Lipstick of the Stars, where joni shows why she wears only the red lipstick i gave her in red deer alberta: http://www.thelipstickpage.com/star.shtml 'bate me nay more, i rest my case... shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 12:41:43 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Re: New Dylan Album NJC The only review of the album i've read was on the net, sorry, i can't remember where, and the reviewer was positively citing this Dylan album as one of the albums of the year! he did say, though, that the songs are very varied in style and perhaps some consistency across the album is lost due to Dylans attempting to fit in so much. at different times, he said, the album is rocky, bluesy, and a little swingy- in a western way. that's piqued my curiousity for sure. i'm sure it'll be christmas before i can afford to buy a cd though, so i'll wait. next on my "to get" list is Bjorks new one. it was great to see so many JMDLers liking Bjork. GARRET - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jason Maloney > The reviews in the weekend press here were less than enthusiastic, > citing the sound as lazy bar-room blues. Did they hear the same album? > Beacuse I was looking forward to this after Time Out of Mind.... > > > Jason. > http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:30:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Dylan Album NJC The new Rolling Stone gives the new Dylan 5 stars, extremely rare for them. They give it a lengthy review and even write about the making of it in a separate piece. Seems that it was done over 2 weeks, with Dylan writing much of it in the studio as they went along. Guitarist Charlie Sexton says that Bob would decide that a song needed some more verses, and would sit and write them on the spot. Dylan also produced it himself, using the pseudonym "Jack Frost". It's in stores Tuesday. I intend to check it out, along with new releases by They Might Be Giants & Ben Folds (YAY!) Bob NP: Sting & Gil Evans, "Roxanne" live 1988 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:36:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Earthquake coming? NJC <> Thanks, Michael...I consider your words to be HIGH praise indeed...and yes, my poor brain is forced to retain lyrics to millions of songs, although Joni songs are always the toughest! My deep & sincere gratitude to you for your playing for me and allowing me to share a song or two. Bob NP: Sting/Gil Evans, "Tea In The Sahara" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 08:44:56 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: born to take the highway <> I don't know much about it, Nuriel, but I'm happy to share what I DO know...it was one of her earliest songs, written and published in 1966. She performed it live in coffeehouses & such, and a live version can be found on some of her early "Second Fret"-era recordings. She introduced the song live by saying that she wanted to write a 'traveling' song. She apparantly recorded the song (along with BSN) on an early demo tape that made its way to a UK folk group known as "The Foggy Dew-O" who liked both of these songs enough to record them. The lyrics to "Born To Take The Highway" can be found here: See the stretching sun at dawning Wipe the stardust from his eyes Feel the morning breezes yawning Telling me it's time to rise Telling me it's time to rise I was born to take the highway I was born to chase a dream Any road at all is my way Any place is where I've been Anything is what I've seen Gambler's gold is made for squandering Miser's silver is to hoard My gold as the sky goes wandering My silver is the drinking goard My silver is the drinking goard I was born to take the highway I was born to chase a dream Any road at all is my way Any place is where I've been Anything is what I've seen I've skipped on concrete Danced on cobbles Stepped on pavement in the heat I've seen where children crouched at marbles Made chalk circles in the street Found a penny at my feet Found a penny at my feet I was born to take the highway I was born to chase a dream Any road at all is my way Any place is where I've been Anything is what I've seen Now I know a road that winds forever Through the land the rainbows run You cross the bridge from now till never Take the first turn past the sun Take the first turn beyond the sun I was born to take the highway I was born to chase a dream Any road at all is my way Any place is where I've been Anything is what I've seen When singing the long live, she would encourage the audience to join in on the last two lines. Hope that helps, Nuriel... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:52:14 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: A musical tour of the UK (NJC) In a message dated 09/09/01 22:11:51 GMT Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > > Whilst I have no connection with the company, I > see California-based 'Festival Tours International' > (run by Richard Thompson's wife, Nancy Covey) > are offering what looks like an interesting two week > UK tour next year (4th - 18th August '02) to celebrate, > Fairport Convention's 35th Anniversary! see > http://www.gumbopages.com/festivaltours/ > > Here are some of the proposed Itinary Highights - > (Nancy Festtours@aol.com tells me prices should > be available in October). Hoped some jmdlers > might be interested (and perhaps we can add on > a London jmdl get together - before, after, or along > the way). > Paul, I want to do this tour! Do you have to be American or can the locals join in? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:19:24 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: [Jonifest2001] Lost and Found, Part 27 Yes, Mother Ashara, I have not forgotten, Just got to the bottom Of my bowl Doncha know Shakin' up the room Like a cheap, cheap perfume But I be floatin' away From lass week into today- I'm runnin' on Ganja time Who cares what is yours and what is mine We're runnin' on Ganja time One more hit and I'll be jus' fine... Hugs, LOL! At 09:27 AM 9/10/01 EDT, you wrote: >Just a reminder that it would be a GREAT help if those of you that left >things here (Steve P, Steve M, Marcel, Kate, and Donna) could send a mailing >label to me so I can get these things back to you. A SASE big enough to hold >the things you left, woudl even be better!! I am swamped, as I've said a >million times, and I'd love to get these things back to everyone. Thanks! > > and thin all black >chord. > >Kakki, I will get the photos developed from the camera you left, and send >them to you. > >Hugs, >Ashara > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 10:39:24 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: [Jonifest2001] Divine intervention? Hi Victor, I feel the same as you that Jonifest was just where i needed to be. It gave me a shot in the arm musically and spiritually that i can't get here in my world. I also wanted to let you know how much i'm enjoying "Twisted". I took a road trip this weekend which allowed me time to really give it the attention it deserves and have been listening to it constantly since then. I love "Melancholy" and have been practicing the harmonies. I think i'll learn to play it for my own pleasure as well, maybe we can sing together next year. Keep on rockin bud, i think you are such a talented and mellow soul, hearing your music calms me in an otherwise frantic environment. Love, Donna - -----Original Message----- From: Victor Johnson [mailto:waytoblu@mindspring.com] Sent: Friday, September 07, 2001 6:41 PM To: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com Cc: joni Subject: [Jonifest2001] Divine intervention? I can't believe it was already one week ago that I arrived in Topsfield airport and made my way to Ashara's. Tonight's quite a contrast. It's so quiet here in my little apartment. I still feel as if I've just got here as there's still alot that isn't unpacked and the aquarium is still empty. I'm planning to go tonight to see Jennifer Daniels, from Chattanooga, play at a local coffeehouse. I keep wishing in my heart that I could come home to a house full of jonifesters with guitars and smiling faces. I am planning to start hitting the clubs and open mics again, get out more, make some things happen so maybe I can find some people to tide me over till the next fest. When I was in Atlanta, I got so, so discouraged from doing anything anywhere as there was such a complete lack of support and/or enthusiasm from anybody (except Holley, bless her heart) but I'm hoping that Athens will be a little different. Who know though, after this jonifest, I believe that anything is possible. I really think that it was just where I needed to be. Divine intervention? or maybe just an angel looking over me? In any case, I'm very grateful for everything that transpired over those several days. "The Secret 'o Life is enjoying the passage of time" J.T. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson - ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Tuesday morning as I stood on the train platform on my way to work, rather than hearing traffic and trains, the sounds of birds and crickets filled my ears. I felt lighter and more alive than I have in a long, long time. Telling my Mary about the weekend, I had to admit that the whole thing sounds a little "kumbayah-ish" when trying to explain it to someone who hasn't attended -- and especially to someone who isn't a member of the JMDL. But spending such quality time with people from this list is an incredible, FUN experience! I look forward to doing it again next year (and I hereby volunteer for whatever needs doing). Back to work for now, Lori near DC ~ Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 09:51:20 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni's lipstick......"silent red" Interesting, and I wonder how they know all this. Incidentally, Shania Twain's lipstick of choice was 'bag balm'. Bag balm is what you put on a goat's chapped udder. Thanks Shane for another fun/off the wall Joni link. RR shane mattison wrote: > > well....uh...one last one kay? 'cause, > all my scholarly interest of the lady in red has been irrefutably > justified....joni wears estee lauder "silent red" lipstick.... > > and if you want to see just how significant a red crawler i really am, peruse > for your perfidious pleasure, > The Lipstick of the Stars, where joni shows why she wears only the red > lipstick i gave her in red deer alberta: > > http://www.thelipstickpage.com/star.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:25:46 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: i'm back!!!! njc very briefly to say that i'm back in buenos aires. over a thousand posts await my perusal!!!!! i still have to read all the jonifest stuff!!!!!! have you been praising me? wallyK, i loved boston but i'm not having that vermont wedding after all... boo hooooo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:31:22 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (sjc), Earthquakes, mad cow, west nile, sheesh... My apologies to the jmdlers (and everyone else) re: the earthquake in SoCal. Good thing I was only half kidding. :-/ The killings do continue to go on -- another family found dead right here in SF this morning. It's becoming a daily thing. Is it a local phenom? -- I know they happen all the time everywhere, but this recent spate up here has me more than usually unnerved. It's probably just overreporting, like the sharkbite thing this summer. If Joni wrote Sex Kills now, she'd have to include mad cow and west nile et al. At least happiness is the best facelift. If you like cosmology spiced with philosophy, I recommend Chaos and Harmony by Trinh Xuan Thuan. Cheered me up for some reason. Peace (please!!), Walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:34:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: here again!!!!!!!! just jumped out of a plane and took a cab home and ran to my computer to find you all again. i spent a nice week in boston after the fest but alejandro and i didn't work out, so i guess i won't be there for the foliage. i still haven't unpacked. i'll be back later. i love you all and i miss you so painfully, wally ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 11:30:48 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Gillian Welch (NJC) I know there are a few...OK, *one*...of you out there who are Gillian Welch fans, so a couple of quick things. We went to see her and Dave Rawlings at the now-infamous El Rey Theatre in LA Friday (infamous as the scene of the Kakki-gets-thrown-out-of- a-Dylan-show-because-she-has-a-camera incident) and they were AWESOME. The new songs are as good as the old ones, and many move into new territory (the LA Times described it as the first two albums having their souls in the '20s and '30s, while the new one is more '50s). Dave has achieved some sort of guitar god level - the solos he rips out of that little f-hole (Gibson?) guitar are monstrous, and he is playing with even more passion and commitment. A terrific show. Catch them if you can - they're on Leno Tuesday, and have some Irish and UK dates in October (are you listening, Mr Castle?) Consistently, jaw-droppingly good. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:39:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Gillian Welch (NJC) Thanks for the review, Steve...I intend to treat myself to their show in Greenville when they're here later this month. Looking forward to it! Bob NP: Eugene Chadbourne, ? (Les, what in the hell?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 14:59:52 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re:Jonifest 2001, The Picture CD Or, to lighten Mama Lion's load, you can send your blanks and SASE to me at: Brian Gross PO Box 5126 Deptford NJ 08096-0126 USA - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:19:01 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Snakebite, NJC Clark wrote: I believe the Jews, as well as the Kurds and the Basques among > others, are all entitled to a homeland ... and so are the Palestinians. We > need an Israel and a Palestine, and the sooner we have both, the better for > everyone concerned. I agree 100%. In Leviticus there is even a passage which mentions > the conditions under which it is acceptable to sell one's own daughter into > slavery. May I please have your source. > > I personally don't see why the Israelis aren't happy to relocate all the > Palestinians in Israel into the borders of Palestine as determined back in > the original UN proclamation > Ehud Barak's latest proposals were pretty much that. Arafat turned them down and brought up the right of return issue which would in essence mean the end of jewish majority in Israel so therefore not acceptable to Israelis as political suicide. Also, did you know that Israel offered to return all the occupied territories to Egypt that were captured during the 67 war right after that war ended in exchange for a recognition by Egypt of the right of Israel to exist but Nasser turned that down too? Just saw that on French TV! Colin, I don't think you're bad either. As I said, I never assumed anybody who disagrees with me was a racist, or I would have to label my own wife and my aunt as such! It's only after I read that "Snakebite" URL that I realized what was really going on: 2 truths, 1 lie (the bigger the lie the better chance of being un-noticed). Hence, the meaning of my last post is that there is an abundance of lies and misinformation going on. It aims at trivializing some issues and words (e.g. antisemitism, holocaust, nazis), even in Israel, so that pretty soon we'll have doctorate thesis on the reality of the Holocaust and such. PS: For those who are interested, Paul Johnson's "The History of the Jews" is a very scientific approach written by a non-Jew. Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 13:28:37 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: bag balm Randy researched: <> gee randy, although i'm scottish, i'm not into sheep... what's this 'chapped udder' that you've been putting shania twain's 'bag balm' on? when you do this strange act, do the sheep sing joni's 'coyote', a la, "He picks up my scent on his fingers, while he's watching the waitress's legs. He's too far from the Bay of Fundy (lots of sheep), from appaloosas and eagles and tides..." ....and goats or do they baaa shania's song, "Man! I Feel Like a Woman..."? good research randy... i just pointed to the moon... shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:45:53 -0400 From: dsk Subject: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] Strange how we're all supposed to work around the abuser, according to the abuser anyway. I've just now logged on and see this private email who I told not long ago would have anything he sent to me privately forwarded directly to the list. He must want you all to see this: Marcel Deste wrote: > > If you dont wish to be responded to off list then keep your > sanctimonious insults to yourself.I have suggested you not read my > posts.I can see you cant resist. Moth to a flame huh? It is a free > country and we both can potst our thoughts. I realize you wish it > wasnt. If someone told you "hey you lost weight" it means he used to > think you were fat. If they say youre younger than I thought you were > means he thought you were an old bat. Colins comments were sheer > stupidity. This may be beyond your sense of "compliment" after all > Comradette a compliment to you is a red star on your beanie for how > many people you turned into the secret police. I have kept your wish > to not contact you so please do the same with me. Please excuse me Im > off to the Juanita Broderick rally. > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 23:22:58 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] Marcel, This is the absolute feckin' end. If you'd met Debra, or Colin, you'd know that they're nice genuine people, who aren't out to hurt or offend anyone. They may well be out to defend their own views or right to expression, but not the the detriment, offence, and persecution of others. Repeatedly, you defend your own right to expression (citing humour on occasion) but do it in such a way as to cause personal offence to people. That's downright bloody nasty, and HAS to stop. Your personal e-mails of this sort deterred people from coming to the Jonifest, and caused others to at least have second thoughts. That ruins it for everyone, and it made me, personally, very angry. You're lucky you had a civil word out of me the whole weekend. I spent nearly $1000 coming to Topsfield for the weekend, primarily to see my friends from this list. To find that some of those friends would not be coming, because of YOU, is galling to say the least. How are YOU going to make that situation better? It's such a shame that your musical talent seems to be tempered by such an abusive nature in the cowardly situation where you can hide behind an e-mail address. Please reconsider your actions on this list. You are an eloquent writer, and a good musician, but why do you have to resort to this sort of behaviour, and ruin a glowing reputation you might otherwise attain? It's beyond me, it really is. If you continue to send personal e-mails to people who have repeatedly asked you not to, I shall follow this up with your ISP on their behalf. Most ordinary internet users may not have the knowledge to complain about an ISP's subscribers, but I DO. For the record, if anyone has had problems of this nature, contact me, and I will help you complain to the right people and get this sort of behaviour stopped, or made so inconvenient as not to be worthwhile. Goodnight, - --Chris > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of dsk > Sent: 10 September 2001 22:46 > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] > > > Strange how we're all supposed to work around the abuser, according to > the abuser anyway. I've just now logged on and see this private email > who I told not long ago would have anything he sent to me privately > forwarded directly to the list. He must want you all to see this: > > Marcel Deste wrote: > > > > If you dont wish to be responded to off list then keep your > > sanctimonious insults to yourself.I have suggested you not read my > > posts.I can see you cant resist. Moth to a flame huh? It is a free > > country and we both can potst our thoughts. I realize you wish it > > wasnt. If someone told you "hey you lost weight" it means he used to > > think you were fat. If they say youre younger than I thought you were > > means he thought you were an old bat. Colins comments were sheer > > stupidity. This may be beyond your sense of "compliment" after all > > Comradette a compliment to you is a red star on your beanie for how > > many people you turned into the secret police. I have kept your wish > > to not contact you so please do the same with me. Please excuse me Im > > off to the Juanita Broderick rally. > > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! > > Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:38:54 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] Marcel Deste wrote privately to Debra Shea, in a flagrant breach of her request that he not email her privately. If you still can't understand what this means, Marcel, let me spell it out for you: Debra doesn't want you to send email to her that doesn't go to the list. It's really very simple, and your ludicrous attempts to affect misunderstanding of this request do you no credit at all. However, I was shocked at the sheer spite and nastiness of this email, especially the title. Is there one damn person on this list who thinks it's OK to send this sort of post to someone who has made it clear they don't want to receive private mail from another lister? Or indeed to anyone? It never ceases to bewilder me that someone who can write so beautifully about the jonifest is capable of such crass, vindictive and insensitive behaviour. If you think you've done nothing worthy of reproach then I think you need help. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:47:27 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (sjc) The Billboard article, A&R, David Lahm, A&W When I read that Billboard article, I wondered what the hell an A&R person was. It sounded promotional, but what, arts & recreation -- no -- advertising & retail -- maybe... Then, while I was doing my laundry and was reading Ethan Coen's (of the Cohen Brothers, of "Fargo" and "Blood Simple" and lots of other cool, offbeat movies) book "Gates of Eden", I got to the story "Have You Ever Been to Electric Ladyland", which, miraculously, turned out to be a monologue by a hilariously obnoxious A&R man. Artists and repertoire. Who'da guessed. There's euphemism for everything nowadays. Earlier today, I caught the tail end of an announcement of the Santa Clara County (the county that includes San Jose) Arts and Wine festival, featuring a jazz performer named David L---. Can't be sure, the name was garbled by traffic sounds, but I heard a saxaphone player in the background, and so: Is this David Lahm who will be there (and who I think reads this list), and might he be performing some of his JM interpretations, and what are the dates? Hopefully, the add will repeat, but if any of you (including DL himself) know, I'd appreciate hearing. Thanks, walt ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:46:56 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] Chris wrote: > If you'd met Debra, or Colin, you'd know that they're > nice genuine people, who aren't out to hurt or offend > anyone. They may well be out to defend their own views > or right to expression, but not the the detriment, offence, > and persecution of others. > Chris, THANK YOU for expressing what I just don't have the time or patience to do right now with my brother being so ill. I am absolutely heartsick that some people I really care for did not feel they could attend the fest because of you, Marcel. I have never had anything but positive interactions with you, and that is the side I know from a personal standpoint. However, I cannot sit back and say that your continue rude and insulting posts to others don't bother me. They do. Very, very much. I have no room in my understanding why someone who is *able* to be kind chooses not to. It *is* a choice. For whatever reason, you have chosen to be very civil and nice to me. Of course, we will not always agree with each other here, but I believe every single person on this list deserves respect and kindness. PLEASE Marcel, stop the insulting and nasty remarks. Frankly, it doesn't accomplish anything except to make *you* look bad. I invite you to let the list see the side I have seen of you, and let the "insulting side" go. In the spirit of peace, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:31:34 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: breast cancer awareness (njc) Amy Hahn wrote: > There's a bill called the Breast Cancer Patient Protection Act. > PLEASE!!!! sign the petition by clicking on the web site below and help > women living with breast cancer get the care they need and deserve!! > > http://www.lifetimetv.com/health/breast_mastectomy_pledge.html Amy! Thanks for posting this to the list. I am sure that our sisters in Joniland will take the two seconds and click on the website you listed. Such an important issue and it effects us all! Sue Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:38:09 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Your skirt is up over your head] >Marcel Deste wrote: If someone told you "hey you lost weight" it means he used to >> think you were fat. If they say youre younger than I thought you were >> means he thought you were an old bat. Colins comments were sheer >> stupidity. Wow Marcel! Imagine all of the insincere people at JoniFest who not only complimented me on losing weight but who also said that I appeared younger in person than I did in my photo in the gallery. There is no way that I felt insulted by these remarks, anymore than I thought Colin's comments were, in your words "sheer stupidity". Sorry if you didn't receive any compliments! Guess if you had you would have taken them the wrong way so why bother? BYW, I did think your guitar playing on Saturday was sheer heaven. Does this mean that if I had heard you in the past that you sucked? Now I am being totally sincere here, you are a fabulous player and I wish I had a tenth of your skill. I am about ready to send you to the principal's office if you can't play nice Marcel! We all just want our piece of the sandbox here, is that so hard to ask for? Sue Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:44:01 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Parsonage Lane- in loving tribute to Jonifest 2001 and all jonifests that have been and are yet to come... thank you...you open my heart, yes you do... Parsonage Lane (c)2001 Victor Johnson Flying out of Boston, Lifting off the ground. On a highway paved with clouds, Where do they go? Wind around tall, white castles, Valleys long and vast. They seem to go on forever, Today. I'll stay here awhile, I've come home again. Friends and laughter, Down Parsonage Lane. Turn around and linger, September is here. The moonlight on the island, The sound of your guitar. Cascading in rivers, Voices I know. Reach me so gently, Open my heart. I'll stay here awhile, I've come home again. Friends and laughter, Down Parsonage Lane. 4 am on Plum Island, Singing to the dawn. We walk towards the water, Through the heavy sand. But I know that I must soon go, Wander among the clouds. Where the roads go on forever, They always take me home. I'll stay here awhile, I've come home again. Friends and laughter, Down Parsonage Lane. Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 18:45:55 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: marcel njc reading the postings with a general feelng of indifference but then read the last one and Marcel, your comment that telling someone that it looks like they lost weight because you used to think they were fat is really stupid. mack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:05:00 +0100 From: colin Subject: Debs, Kakki, Brian, Mags Rose Debra-people will interpret things they read as they want, according to their agenda. I have seen pics of Brian before. He didn't look fat to me. However, this recent one shows he has lost weight regardless. Duh, perhaps it has something to do with having undergone that bypass.... I have seen pics of Kakki before too and I would need distorting glasses to make her out as fat. Howwver, in this group photo, she looked slimmer to me than she has before. Mags-well of course I wasn't suggesting you had alapaecia or anything. Duh, I am sure your hair was long before. Rose-I have neevr seen a pic of you before. i had got the impression from your writing(what in particualr I don't know but you mentioned soemthing from the past) that you were perhaps one of our older members. your photo says otherwise. Even if it hadn't, I never refer to older ladies as 'old bats'. As Chris and Debra will attest too, i am a fat person. I think this makes me more aware of people's weight. If I were going to insult someone, I'd be blunt about it. As for posts from Marcel-well using a filter does not work. You end up seeing them anyway when they get quoted by someone else. His acting out is grotesque, I agree. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 19:59:46 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: New Dylan Album NJC Who really knows? All the turn of the screw. They decide to be good to Dylan then turn around.. or it may not be a good album, I dont' know I REALLY cant pass judgement yet, as I have not heard it through entirely. BLair >From: Jason Maloney >Reply-To: jason.maloney@virgin.net >To: Blair Fraipont >CC: sprout@eircom.net, joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: New Dylan Album NJC >Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 04:09:49 +0100 > >The reviews in the weekend press here were less than enthusiastic, >citing the sound as lazy bar-room blues. Did they hear the same album? >Beacuse I was looking forward to this after Time Out of Mind.... > > >Jason. >http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:33:34 +0100 From: "Garret" Subject: Bjork - Vespertine NJC well, we've heard what some others have said about Vespertine, what's your take on it Philip? i've learned to trust your musical tastes almost as much as my own, lol! anyone else care to let me know how great (or not) the album is? hearing *all* about it would be great consolation to someone that has to wait to be able to afford it:-) and for the record, i really really enjoyed SelmaSongs, even if the movie had me in tears! GARRET NP-Bjork, Isobel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:33:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: Snacks kills some realy good links on the net for joni fans: 1. www.gaydadsforsons.com. - this is where you can find not only a true loving father who will make you wonder why on earth your mother isn't married to him and still holds on to that boring dentist, but some heavy joni fans who will love to chat with you about the night they met joni in that smokey club and give you more information about larry klein than what your imagination can concieve. 2. www.bearsandcubs.com - a new hot spot, created by and for canadian men. everything you thought you knew but you didn't about the true roots of american blues. don't let the name fool you: they're not all furry and most of them are very nice ladies from toronto. 3. www.britneyspears.com - a site dedicated to older joni fans. britney speaks about the great influence that hissing of summer lawns had on her poems and talks freely about being an abused child with very disturbing reflections on "hit me baby one more time" and "i was born to make you happy" - poems her father forced her to write that are still very much painful for her to sing. if you find the site colsed, don't panic - you'll just have to wait till britney returns from school and turns her computer on. 4. www.myrtle.com - a very good site, created by a canadian woman who hasn't given up on the dream of having a permanent son in law. strange as it may seem -this is not a jewish site. 5. www.bothsidesnow.com - another great site for gay men with good links to www.bothsidesnow, please.com, and www.nobothsidesnowtonight, honey, i've got a headache.com. (if you had enough of the softcore on that link please eneter the tribute site and make sure you have an adult check, a real real old adult check) 6. www.jmdl.com - a NJC site where you'll find 7 folks talking to themselves about food, bills and AIDS. 7. www.fbi.com - help the fbi trace and catch a canadian woman who is bothering innocent young men in restaurants. 8. www.zing-a-zong.com - a very updated mitchell site from china with great information about joni's new album "clouds". if you're unable to enter - please order by phone. 9. www.nothing.com - you'll find nothing here. 10. www.jonimitchell.com - the best site on the net about the famous canadian painter vangogh with articles like "a case of vangogh", "singing with vincent", "again and again the same vangogh" and "comes vangogh (nothing can be done)". you can also download your favorit vangogh song and ask SCvincentguy any question you have about the painter. _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:39:09 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Snacks kills I am going to be busy all night checking out these sites! Fantastic! :-) (the Rev) Vince (1st place goes to www.myrtle.com!!!! - that is the one that laughed loudest at) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 20:50:37 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Snacks kills(njc) > I am going to be busy all night checking out these sites! > > Fantastic! :-) > > (the Rev) Vince There really is a http://myrtle.com and an http://nothing.com . Unfortunately they're not nearly as funny. ;~} Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 02:05:37 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Bjork - Vespertine NJC Garrett wrote: >well, we've heard what some others have said about Vespertine, what's your take on it Philip? >i've learned to trust your musical tastes almost as much as my own, lol! LOL - you haven't seen the stack bad taste purchases I've had to get rid of in Freebird (used cd's) lately Anyway, I think it's a wonderful record. Easily the best Bjork since Debu imo.. It sounds light and melodic and thankfully it dosen't have the big beats or weirdness of parts of Homogenic. It's got lots of strings and a choir that I love.. My favourite tracks are It's Not Up Top You which I've been humming all week and an instrumental played on music boxes. That's the best I can do at 1.30 am. Maybe someone else will do a proper review. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:23:21 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Joni to perform at John Lennon Tribute I don't know if this has been mentioned before. If so, I missed it and apologize. Apparently Joni will be performing one of John Lennon's songs at a tribute in NYC. Read below: The tribute is called "Come Together" and will be aired on TNT. Here is what Rollingstone.com says about the show: Lou Reed, Stone Temple Pilots, Seal and Cyndi Lauper have joined the lineup for Come Together: A Night for John Lennon, a tribute concert to be held at New York City's Radio City Music Hall on September 20th. Other artists set to perform the songs of Lennon and the Beatles include Beck, Alanis Morissette, Nelly Furtado, Shelby Lynne, Moby and Marc Anthony, under music director Dave Stewart. Actor Kevin Spacey will host the event. Come Together is the latest in TNT's Masters Series, which has previously featured tribute concerts to Burt Bacharach, Brian Wilson , Bob Marley , Joni Mitchell and Johnny Cash . The concert, which will benefit the Violence Policy Center and the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence, will air on TNT at 8 p.m. on October 9th.! - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 17:24:30 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: sorry sorry for the disjointed text in my previous message. I copied it from the web. Why does this happen? - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2001 01:21:28 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Pic of joni; pix of other folk musicians Fellow jmdl-ers, On today's *joan-list digest -- a compilation of yesterday's individual postings -- participants gave URLs to find a site by a photographer, Robert Altman, I think, where a picture of Joan Baez was posted. At the actual page, there is one picture each of, in order, Phil Ochs, Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, and, last, Judy Collins with Stephen Stills. Use , then, click on "Gallery CC: Folk musicians." Or, use , then, click on "table of contents," then, click on a picture of a man with a large portrait camera in front of a low-on-the-horizon sun, then, as above. The *joan-list, , is a discussion list about Joan Baez that works just like this discussion list, with options to receive individual postings in real time or a daily digest, but no further option to filter out non-joan content. Instead, they ask that non-Joan-related content be identified in the subject line as OT, for "off topic." If anyone objects to categorizing Joni Mitchell with "folk musicians," take it up with Mr. Altman. Peace and love, justice and freedom, and much good music. Tim Spong Dover, Del. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:39:37 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni to perform at John Lennon Tribute Wow, this sounds like a great evening! Thanks Phyllis. It's the first news of this I've seen. In addition to seeing Joni, I'd love to hear what Lou Reed would do with a John Lennon song, and love to see Cyndi Lauper and Shelby Lynne and quirky Beck too. There's nothing about tickets in your message so I'll look at TNT's site now, and post what I find. Debra Shea Phyliss Ward wrote: > > I don't know if this has been mentioned before. If so, I missed it > and apologize. Apparently Joni will be performing one of John Lennon's > songs at a tribute in NYC. > > Read below: The tribute is called "Come Together" and will be aired on TNT. > Here is what > Rollingstone.com says about the show: Lou Reed, Stone Temple > Pilots, Seal and Cyndi Lauper have joined the lineup for > Come Together: A Night for John Lennon, a tribute concert > to be held at New York City's Radio City Music Hall on > September 20th. Other artists set to perform the songs of > Lennon and the Beatles include Beck, Alanis Morissette, > Nelly Furtado, Shelby Lynne, Moby and Marc Anthony, > under music director Dave Stewart. Actor Kevin > Spacey will host the event. Come Together is the latest in > TNT's Masters Series, which has previously featured > tribute concerts to Burt Bacharach, Brian Wilson, Bob Marley , > Joni Mitchell and Johnny Cash. The concert, which will > benefit the Violence Policy Center and the Brady Center to > Prevent Gun Violence, will air on TNT at 8 p.m. on October 9th.! > > -- > Phyliss > mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 21:38:17 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Joni to perform at John Lennon Tribute I got the impression from reading this article that Joni is not performing but that they had listed her as someone who had already had a tribute concert. It still sounds worth checking out. I saw a John Lennon art show at Borders this past Sunday that was pretty cool. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. 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