From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #387 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, September 7 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 387 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- singing NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Jonifest - Part Uno (long and winding) ["Kakki" ] Thanks, Sharon - Israel - NJC [CarltonCT@aol.com] Jonifest - Part Dos (long) ["Kakki" ] Re: Toppsfield 2001-Part 4 -After the Church [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Woke up it was a Chelsea Morning w/ Post JoniFest Blues pt. 1 [RoseMJoy@] joni in toronto coincides... [Yael Harlap ] Re: Middle East fundamentalism , NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Rabbi Melchior's speech in Durban, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" Subject: singing NJC Amy is so right & I just want to add something that I have been thinking about. There was a ton of talent at this years Jonifest. I don't know if many of you perform regularly in your area but if not you REALLY should be! It is a wonderful way to meet kindred musical spirits. Check around for open mics in your area & go regularly if you aren't already. If anyone needs help finding an open mic in there area let me know...I am in touch with lots of musicians all over the world & can help you find something in your area. Maybe some of you are doing this already...its just that I heard so many incredibly talented people that should be sharing there wonderful gifts with the world.... Amy wrote: For all of you out there that sing quietly in your homes, without sharing your voices and songs publicly, I strongly encourage you to come to Jonifest next year and take the risk of sharing your music, whatever it is. Every voice/musician has a gift and adds to the fabric of the experience we are creating together. It is a leap of faith, but I believe you will discover your wings... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 00:58:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Jonifest - Part Uno (long and winding) Fabulous reports, Marcel - (gee how can I follow THAT? ;-) I am still recovering from last weekend and the experience was so overwhelming that it has been impossible to put everything I want to into words. So many of you have already expressed my exact thoughts and feelings, thankfully! First I want to thank Ashara, Sal, Anne, Maggie, Heather and ChuckE so much for all the amazing amount of work and planning that went into putting this together. It was a huge undertaking this year and you all pulled it off beautifully and perfectly. I was stunned upon my arrival Friday night amidst an already sizeable and growing crowd to be warmly greeted by Sal and Ashara and given beautiful birthday presents, no less (yes, of course they were martini related!). That was so sweet and thoughtful of you -thank you again. After saying hello to my old buddies, I was so excited to meet so many in person whose friendship I'd shared only in email or whose posts I'd read for so long and always wondered if we'd ever meet. So many songs, martinis and cigarettes later, we closed the first night at almost dawn and that continued as the established pattern for the next several days. Jonifest is ground zero of that Alice in Wonderland rabbit hole, doncha know. The event at the church the next day was truly astounding. For those of you who remember some of the gasping reams of posts after Pazfest last year, let me tell you that this one was right up there - maybe those magic spirits in New Orleans have come to merge with the ones in Topsfield. The music from everyone was SURREALLY beautiful and you'll just have to get the CD because I can't even begin to do it justice to describe it here. It goes beyond people being professional or gifted - there was another dimension on top of that just went right through your heart and soul at a constant pace for the entire 11 or so hours. Some people had collborated a bit with each other in the past and so they were even more connected this year. Others had never collaborated before and yet it all fell perfectly into place. All through the day and night people had tears in their eyes from the beauty of it all. The nights of music late at Ashara's were also incredible and magical. Yes, indeed even the Jamaican Joni Reggae Mon band was fabulous! I'm not kidding and I really think a few of the renditions should go on a covers volume at some point! The people - oh dear, I want to mention everyone and there were SO many this year - please forgive me if I forget someone! Maybe I'll group them a little here - Leslie & Steve Mixon and Kate and Jeff - I was so glad the Mixon's were able to make it after all and was so stoked that my SoCal neighbors Jeff and Kate could be there, too. The presences of all of you enriched the fest on so many levels - thank you for all you brought to it. The music you all put together - oh my my my. Chris Marshall, Les Ross and Willy the Shake - Ever since I heard that we were finally going to have some of the group from the U.K. attend I'd been like a little kid impatiently waiting for Christmas day to arrive - so excited! You know so many of us would love if you lived a little closer and it was just so wonderful that you all made the trip over. You are all devastatingly sweet and talented and I never wanted to say goodbye to you. Kerry and Steve Polifka - it was wonderful to meet Kerry and to see dear Steve again! Steve, you were absolutely awesome and full of energy and sweetness. Kerry - thank you again for the Willy Porter CD - gee, you sure know how to pick 'em for me! He's incredible - like a combination of Crosby, Seal, McGuinn, CPR and even a bit of Gregg Cagno! Lawdy. Smurphy and Jimmy - What can I say - I love you guys - you are so fun and funny and just classics! Thanks for the smiles and choking laughter. And Jimmy I'll let you pull MY hair out next time, o.k.? ;-) Donna and Sharon - it seemed to me like both of you had always been regulars at the fests from way back, like I'd always known you. Donna - you are so friendly and fun - thanks for bringing that huge Texas spirit up with you. You kept it a secret that you are a singer in a stomping band until we got to Atty Mays - I'm so glad you finally decided to play for us there! Sharon, you are so warm and sweet! Thanks for handling the raffle tables. I jettisoned a lot when packing to come back but I treated that little Honey Bear like priceless china coming back and he is now safely sitting in the front row of my refrigerator! Susan Guzzi and Suze Cameron - it was great to meet you, Susan, and share a martini or few and the back deck with you! Suze, you are still as witty as ever - I think you and Smurph need to start collborating professionally ;-) Glad you made it east this year. Gregg Cagno - Holy Feck! Oh jeez, what an incredible surprise you were for all of us! Thank you for the CD - I played it nonstop for the next two days and I swear even my mosquitos bites finally calmed down. You are amazing and I love your music. Thank you for being there and please shout out more loudly the next time you appear in L.A. Amy - friend of Ashara's - I'm so glad you are now on the list and about time! You blew us all away with your music! Russ Bowden - guess we had to go 2,500 miles to finally meet! You've always been such a sweet friend to me, but I had no idea about your musical background until I read Marcel's posts. Now they tell us! Please don't be shy the next time. Hope to see you again soon on "our" coast. On to part dos...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 04:15:31 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Thanks, Sharon - Israel - NJC I think its admirable that more and more Jews are finally speaking out about what the current Israeli government is doing to the Palestinians. They must have a homeland and must be returned some of the territory that was taken from them by the Israelis. Laurent's arguments are those of an old style Zionist who is using Biblical doctrine to justify the Israeli's territorial conquest. Zionists are religious fundamentalists who believe it is their right to take back a land that was "promised" to them by God. "The promised land" was already an occupied territory when the Jews arrived from Egypt according to their own scripture. I have heard many Israelis and Palestinians argue about who the land belongs to based on their religious beliefs or questionable histories of tribal disputes from thousands of years ago. As an atheist, I find these arguments particularly stupid. The Hebrew Bible is nothing more than the collected myths of one people. Their myths are no more true than those of the Greeks, the Japanese, the Chinese, the Indians etc., all of whom worship very different gods and have different creation myths. What all cultures have had in common is the mistaken notion that they are a special people whose god(s) created them and set them in the middle of the world and sanctified them as a chosen people. The actual history of the Middle East is poorly represented in the Bible. As an example, there is no evidence that Moses ever existed in the very solid records of the Egyptians. The Moses myth was borrowed from the oral traditions of other tribes in the region. The festival of Passover has been a beautiful metaphor for modern persecuted Jews to celebrate the possibility of living in freedom, but it has no factual basis (and was orignally a pagan festival that celebrated the first barley of the Spring). The tribes which came to be known as the Hebiru (Hebrews) in Egypt were migrants who were attracted to Egypt as an economic center. They were never enslaved to build the Pharaoh's monuments, they were told to leave when they became too numerous and powerful. When they did leave, they brought with them an Egyptian notion as furthered by one of the pharaohs, the idea of one god. The idea of one god was a practical one for a wandering tribe as "he" could inhabit an empty tabernacle as they wandered. If there was ever anyone who was a Moses, he was an Egyptian who left with the expelled tribes and was recast as one of them with the legend of his adoption by the pharaoh as an infant. That was all thousands of years ago. The Biblical Philistines are based on the people we know today as Palestinians. They were not the first people to settle the lands either, but they were there before the Jews. If the Israelis and Palestinians want to be completely honest and give the land back to its original inhabitants, they would have to share it as all of them are quite intermingled. The Jews and Arabs are cousins and have striking cultural similarities. It is only nuances in their religion which originally divided them. Muhammad himself sparked the original controversy when he massacred the Jews of Medina and other places in the attempt to establish himself as the final prophet. Religion and its "prophets" can be a very, very bad thing and should always be mistrusted. The Palestinians may not have had nationhood for hundreds of years, but neither have the Israelis. The Palestinians need a nation of their own so that they are not any further displaced. Over one million of them were forced out of their houses and off of lands they have lived on for centuries and into an exodus as tragic as that of any persecuted people. Whether they were living under the Jordanians, the Ottomans or the British, the Palestinians were living on their own lands until the Israeli's expelled or killed them. I have Israeli friends who will admit that their country annexed lands which did not belong to them, but they don't want to give them back since they had been developed. Well, if it was stolen, it was stolen. Everyone needs to speak up about this and not fear being labeled an anti-Semite (which would make you anti-Arab as well since both are Semitic peoples). Since I am an atheist, I must admit that I do not honor (but will always call for toleration of) the religious beliefs of others especially when those beliefs are a justification for violent acts. At one point, the idea was under consideration that the Jews should found a homeland in Argentina or Mozambique. That was a much better idea than colonizing Israel. I personally think the displaced Jews of the world should have emigrated to the United States where there story has largely been a successful one. Can anyone say that Israel was a good idea after almost 60 years of conflict? What resort do the Palestinians have other than vioIence? What horrible conditions do they live under that are they willing to kill themselves in suicide bombings? Israel is divided about this conflict, but they risk losing world sympathy if concessions are not made. It is only magical thinking and religious superstition which keep two people in a violent dispute over a worthless pile of rocks that each has deemed holy. Laurent deems the Dome of the Rock as something which should be insignificant to Muslims, but in its own time, the third temple (built on what is now the Wailing Wall) was a disputed institution by many Jews who believed its rebuilding and the institution of a priesthood was a corruption of the tenets of Judaism. Noah never loaded two of all the world's creatures onto a wooden ark. Mohammed could not move a mountain. There is no God in heaven on whom we can rely to guide our action, who is a final authority on how man should live, who intervenes in our affairs. Humans must take responsibility for creating their own morality. - - Clark NP: Mahler - 8th Symphony ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 02:04:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Jonifest - Part Dos (long) * * * * * * * * * The sweetest couples corner: Jody and Scott - Jody, it was great to see you again and to meet Scott, too! I always enjoy hanging out with you. Best of everything in your new home and jobs - you truly deserve it. John and Claud - your happiness touches everyone - what magnificent people you are and we are all lucky to know you both. Thank you for everything and please come see me sometime! Mags and Brian - you are both wonderful and sweet - it's getting to the point whenever I see your names together "Solid Love" starts playing in my head ;-) Pearl and Steve - it was great to see you again this year! You two always seem to have such an outstanding time together with your many wonderful trips - you are a "Lucky Girl," Pearl. * * * * * * * * * * Yael and Stephanie - Wowee - more new musicial surprises! Yael, you have a huge radiance - I really kept blinking a few times when you sang, thinking I was watching the young Laura Nyro. Please call next time in L.A. Stephanie - I'm sorry I didn't get to talk with you more but I was so impressed by your set and hope to see you again. Kay Ashley and Jeff from NYC - Kay you were the female Gregg Cagno for us this year! Gorgeous songs and gorgeous voice - I wish you all the best. Jeff - wish I could have heard you play more! Please let me know when you move to California. Rose and Alison - Sistahs, you rock!! Rose, you are a great hanger. Alison - you sing beautifully and are party queen, too! Hope to see you both for NAMM in January. Patrick, one of my oldest friends - I always love seeing you and yakking it up. Best of everything with your new place and let me know when you'll be needing the martini glasses ;-) Lori and Hell - you finally made it the both of you and it was fantastic! Lori - thanks for getting Hell the last leg to Topsfield. Hell, you are such a neat person - see you sometime tomorrow ;-) Stephen from Vancouver - I always felt from his posts that this was a really nice chap. Well, yes, and then a whole lot more. I'm still shaking my head that someone could have such class, kindness, and gentlemanliness while at the same time looking like a surfer model in GQ. I don't think they made them like you down here in the States anymore, Stephen. "Oh, Canada!" ;-) Thank you for being so nice to me. Monsieur Deste - You outdid youself on the music this year. Amazing renditions of Joni. Still swear you were doing Poco rifts through "I Think I Understand." You should have seen the look on Hell's face during your set. It was even more impressed than when she saw Waddy last week, I'm not joking. As for the Atty May experience, well I guess us jmdlers just made the place a little TOO popular with the locals at this point and we have now created our own little monster. We'll have to "grow" a new, unknown venue, I guess ;-) Catherine from Toronto - I barely talked to you! I wish you could have spent more time hanging out with us, but it seems that you did enjoy the trek. I still want to hear "Dawntreader" with you and Mags! Wally K - your set this year was my very favorite with all the subtle Brazilian overtones. I can't wait to hear it again. Please don't make good on your threat to not come to another Jonifest unless it is in Alaska ;-) Anne- you are in my heart, too. My prayers are with you always. Thank you for coordinating the music - oh my what a time this year! Nikki and Victor - after four days together in our beach cottage I felt like you were my little sister and brother, especially with old Papa Paz dutifully rousting us all up at a nice late hour each day to serve us full, Southern style breakfasts. Victor, you know I think you are just too much - you blow me away. I would crawl awake in the morning and blearily ask Victor to play some Zeppelin or Tull and he would proceed to perform half an album's worth flawlessly. You cannot stump him! You are THE music man. Nikki - hope you are having a fun hejira on the road with Stevie Nicks and report in when you get back. Pazman - thank you for your be-in-ten-places at one time heart and spirit and everything you did for so many of us last weekend. I'll never know how you do it, but I always marvel at it. You are the soulman, indeed. Now I am approaching braindead state again and must go pick up the place before Hell gets here. Maybe more when I get my next second wind. Love, peace and thanks to all, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:34:04 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Toppsfield 2001-Part 4 -After the Church In a message dated 9/7/01 1:50:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: > Somehow I managed to escape the magnetic field tracktor beam that surrounded > the house and I floated back home at the end of this perfect day. There was > still tomorrow. > > > > I love your imagery painted here, Marcel Great reporting! Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 08:30:00 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Woke up it was a Chelsea Morning w/ Post JoniFest Blues pt. 1 Posts I've written, never meaning to send.... I woke up this morning after three days of no sleep, much splendid music, laughter, celebration and to be in the good company of my many old and newly made friends. I was just listening to Joni's performance at the White Swan in Leicester, Uk 1967. Thank you Jim, and yes it met all expectations. Life is good and full of little unexpected treasures. Alison, Jeff & Kay helped to lighten up a heavy load and we arrived in NYC safely around 9:30. It was gorgeous day for travel and traffic not bad at all. I haven't nearly had enough time to gather my thoughts and feelings, but I just wanted to again express my affection and fondness for all of you near and far. I just want to mention a few of the highlights this year at Jonifest 2001. More later, as they are so full and too intense for me to put it all into words. First, again I thank you to Ashara for hosting this event again and to all of those who, without their help could not have been brought to fruition (claps, cheers, whistles) Secondly, the musicianship. I am just blown away. We had the JOY of having a newbie JMDLer, musician, Gregg Cagno from Bucks County, PA attend and play for us this year and all I can say is he is AWESOME!!!! Joni people, do yourself a favor & check out his webpage at www.greggcagno.com where there are some MP3's, schedules and you can buy his CD's. I bought his new CD, "Ain't No Time Like the Present" This guy has it going on! We played it quite a few times on the trip home from New England. Gregg, will you play for us again? You can pop your tent in my backyard anytime honey ;~) Joni & people who have not yet made it to one of these Festivals, you have no idea of the talent lurking on this list. I'm in awe. Please disregard my earlier post to the list, it was all alcohol induced ... those Ganja Devils made me do it. (not mentioning any names) lmao I'm going through some major life changes right now, but don't you worry about me, I'll be all right. to be cont.... rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:38:54 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: joni in toronto coincides... Oh my gosh! I didn't realize those dates! I won't be making it to Joni anything on the 19th of October because I am going to be seeing TORI AMOS in TORONTO on OCT 19!!! So I will be in TO that weekend anyhow! :-) And the 19th is totally full up for me but I'll probably be around the rest of the weekend, and so I declare that we jmdlers should get together on the 20th if people are still going to be in town... even just for lunch before y'all head home... Woohoo! How exciting! To see some of the family again so soon... - -Yael Stephen wrote: >Hi all, > >I called Harbourfront in Toronto today re: the World Leaders JM tribute. >Still plenty of tickets left. > $195.00 CDN including taxes for the full deal- wonderful dinner by some of >Toronto's best chef's or $95.00 CDN for the tribute only- that's about >$57.00 US., a bargain, I'd say. >It would be great to have more of us from the list there- Friday October >19th. > >Best >Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:13:40 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Re: Middle East fundamentalism , NJC Azzem wrote: > Are you still contending that that list is all facts (apart from the two that you have accepted are not facts)? You bet Who is this Dr Morley? What are his > credentials? How can you be sure that the other statements are facts? How can you be sure the snakebite URL statements are facts? If this is the URL you're referring to, then I can point out 2 "howlers": It says jews in Arab countries never suffered persecution. It's true that for centuries they coexisted peacefully. In the late 50's the situation got progessively worse. After 1967, Jews were forced to leave Arab countries with nothing but a suitcase. All their belongings were confiscated. It was that or death. I know many Jews personally who fled Arab countries under those conditions. I have first hand testimony that they were threatened with machine guns. The statement that they were simply immigrants to Israel is a blatant lie. You see, liars are smart. They don't tell you only lies because they would be easily detected. They tell 2 truths, 1 lie, 2 truths, 1 lie. This tactic is universal. On the subject of why Arab refugees didn't get integrated in Arab countries, unlike jewish refugees/immigrants. It says Israel relied on U.S. aid + money from world jewry, "a luxury that Arab countries do not have" Really? How about fellow Arab brothers in oil-rich countries, can't they afford it? Why aren't they helping their brothers who live in camps? Either they do it and the statement is false, or they don't and this proves that they have a political motive to keep Palestinians in their current state. At any rate, I'm not a dialectics professional and this debate is turning into just that: pick one word/one phrase/one statement from a post, tear it apart and disclaim the whole argument. I guess I could spend my whole day trying to prove or disprove every word but at the end of the day I agree with Colin, this discussion is going nowhere since everybody sticks to their sources. However, those who call me a zealot and a fundy would do better to look at themselves. > Further, are you saying that it's wrong or somehow less valid to "base an > opinion on anything but fact"? I disagree. Opinions can be based on > intuition, common sense, experience, probability, as well as other people's > opinions. Relying too much on "facts" can engender a rigidity that can > hamper rather than promote enlightenment. Action speaks louder than words. Also, another example of the dialectic tactic I just described above. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:27:01 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Martin Luther King Jr: A Speech for Africa, anti-Zionism, NJC After visiting the snakebite URL, I couldn't help noticing how it uses the word Zionist all over the place. So I felt the following might enlighten some souls. Sharon, this one's for you. Too bad this great leader wasn't there at the International Conference on Racism in S. Africa. > Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. > > > > ". . . You declare, my friend, that you do not hate the Jews, you are > > merely 'anti-Zionist.' And I say, let the truth ring forth from the > > high mountain tops, let it echo through the valleys of God's green > > earth: When people criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--this is God's > > own truth. > > > > "Antisemitism, the hatred of the Jewish people, has been and remains a > > blot on the soul of mankind. In this we are in full agreement. So know > > also this: anti-Zionist is inherently antisemitic, and ever will be > > so. > > > > "Why is this? You know that Zionism is nothing less than the dream and > > ideal of the Jewish people returning to live in their own land. The > > Jewish people, the Scriptures tell us, once enjoyed a flourishing > > Commonwealth in the Holy Land. From this they were expelled by the > > Roman tyrant, the same Romans who cruelly murdered Our Lord. Driven > > from their homeland, their nation in ashes, forced to wander the > > globe, the Jewish people time and again suffered the lash of whichever > > tyrant happened to rule over them. > > > > "The Negro people, my friend, know what it is to suffer the torment of > > tyranny under rulers not of our choosing. Our brothers in Africa have > > begged, pleaded, requested--DEMANDED the recognition and realization > > of our inborn right to live in peace under our own sovereignty in our > > own country. > > > > "How easy it should be, for anyone who holds dear this inalienable > > right of all mankind, to understand and support the right of the > > Jewish People to live in their ancient Land of Israel. All men of good > > will exult in the fulfilment of God's promise, that his People should > > return in joy to rebuild their plundered land. This is Zionism, > > nothing more, nothing less. > > > > "And what is anti-Zionist? It is the denial to the Jewish people of a > > fundamental right that we justly claim for the people of Africa and > > freely accord all other nations of the Globe. It is discrimination > > against Jews, my friend, because they are Jews. In short, it is > > antisemitism. > > > > "The antisemite rejoices at any opportunity to vent his malice. The > > times have made it unpopular, in the West, to proclaim openly a hatred > > of the Jews. This being the case, the antisemite must constantly seek > > new forms and forums for his poison. How he must revel in the new > > masquerade! He does not hate the Jews, he is just 'anti-Zionist'! > > > > "My friend, I do not accuse you of deliberate antisemitism. I know you > > feel, as I do, a deep love of truth and justice and a revulsion for > > racism, prejudice, and discrimination. But I know you have been > > misled--as others have been--into thinking you can be 'anti-Zionist' > > and yet remain true to these heartfelt principles that you and I > > share. Let my words echo in the depths of your soul: When people > > criticize Zionism, they mean Jews--make no mistake about it." > > > > (From M.L. King Jr., "Letter to an Anti-Zionist Friend," _Saturday > > Review_XLVII (Aug. 1967), p. 76. Reprinted in M.L. King Jr., _This I > > Believe: Selections from the Writings of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr._ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:26:35 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Enough Middle East dialectics Pt. 1, NJC OK you supporters of truth time for "truth or dare". You claim the source of this article is somehow biased. Great. You should have no problem disproving the statement he made in the article. How is progress to be made if the truth is ignored.These questions are all to be answered TRUE or FALSE. Nothing else. All the sources I have found support them all as true statements. If you think they are false please state your source for the opposite answer. > > > << In the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. > But they didn' t capture these territorries from Yasser Arafat. They > captured them from Jordan's King Hussein.>>> > > > << committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the temple and declared and > declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans > promised, it would be known as Palestine.>>> > > > <<< The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered > by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to > injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, > >>> > > << entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian > crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World war I.>>> > > > << people as their homeland.>>. > > <<< There is no language known as Palestinian. >>> > > <<>> > > <<< There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by > Palestinians.>>> > > <<< Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent > invention ) , Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. >>> > > << Israel represents one tenth of 1 percent of the landmass.>>> > > <<< What about Islam 's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem.>>> > > <<< In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem.>>> > > << It never mentions Jerusalem. >>> > > > > <<< There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammed ever visited > Jerusalem.>>> > > > <<>> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 09:28:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: joni in toronto coincides... I'm in! toronto, that is! Not planning to go to the Joni tribute (too expensive and - is she going to sing?) However, I was talking to a co-worker yesterday about being in Boston over the weekend and that it was due to being a joni-fan and she told me that she might be able to get me a ticket (tickets?) to this thing because she used to work for one of the companies that's sponsoring it. I'm not going to nag her about it, but if she comes through... well I'm not going to turn it down! She's a really sweet, young, positive person (a lot like you, Yael) and it's just such a treat having a sweet kid like that in the office. Anyway, I'm available for any lunch/dinner/whatever, and if people want to get together for a mini Jonifest at my place, all I can say is YIPPEE! My whole house would probably fit in Ashara's kitchen, but what the hey - that makes it cozy! I'm not downtown, but I'm on the subway and I have a car and am willing to ferry people around as much as I can (I'd better not speak to soon - the car lease is ending somewhere close to that time, and I probably won't have one after that but am checking out the possibility of a second-hand car. Maybe I'll just buy out the one I've got - it's not a great car, it has its problems, but after three years, I'm used to it and it does have a pretty good sound system - CD and tape - and we need to get our priorities in line here. - --- Yael Harlap wrote: > Oh my gosh! I didn't realize those dates! I won't be > making it to Joni > anything on the 19th of October because I am going > to be seeing TORI AMOS > in TORONTO on OCT 19!!! So I will be in TO that > weekend anyhow! :-) And > the 19th is totally full up for me but I'll probably > be around the rest of > the weekend, and so I declare that we jmdlers should > get together on the > 20th if people are still going to be in town... even > just for lunch before > y'all head home... > > Woohoo! How exciting! To see some of the family > again so soon... > -Yael > > Stephen wrote: > >Hi all, > > > >I called Harbourfront in Toronto today re: the > World Leaders JM tribute. > >Still plenty of tickets left. > > $195.00 CDN including taxes for the full deal- > wonderful dinner by some of > >Toronto's best chef's or $95.00 CDN for the tribute > only- that's about > >$57.00 US., a bargain, I'd say. > >It would be great to have more of us from the list > there- Friday October > >19th. > > > >Best > >Stephen in Vancouver Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 15:41:24 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Rabbi Melchior's speech in Durban, NJC [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/msword which had a name of Melchior.doc] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 08:55:18 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Jonifest - Part Uno (long and winding) Thank you Kakki...and ahem...honey should never go in the refrigerator...the cold will make it crystallize. It was great to meet you Kakki. I had heard so much about you and you were just as people said you were. :) And thank you for fetching my camera. More later Peace........Sharon Kakki wrote: I jettisoned a lot when packing to come back but I treated that little Honey Bear like priceless china coming back and he is now safely sitting in the front row of my refrigerator! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:01:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Post-fest Blues - So bitter and so sweet; & a coupla other things - njc & longer than it was going to be I'm going to label this njc because by now, I guess it is, and we wouldn't want to offend those njc'ers, would we (or maybe we would, come to think of it!) I'm really enjoying the posts on the fest from other people's points of view. It's great to see from different angles and yet, we are so alike in many ways. Marcel, your posts cracked me right up - your description of the New England (or Mass. anyway) roads system was bang on. (Est-ce que vous parlez francais?) There was something really weird that I couldn't put my finger on until you mentioned it - the fact that there's no reflective paint or anything to guide you ON and OFF the main highways! Sometimes I attribute this stuff to my own on-and-off-again ditziness, or shitty eyesight and not-so-great night vision (Kerry and Steve and Les are probably groaning, "Oh, NOW she tells us!") but up here in the good old province of Ontario, we have all these road markers and even though I STILL hate driving at night here, I'm not quite as worried about ending up in a ditch. (I know when you're in a new place, no matter HOW well the roads are marked, it's still hard, esp. when it's DAAAK.) I am SO glad I chose not to drink any alcohol! (or maybe it would have helped!) I had visions of the state troopers pulling me over to the side and my ending up in jail (or the stocks/pillory, whatever) and then maybe being deported as an undesirable alien and never being allowed back into the USA!) So happy to read these posts about Friday and Sunday (because I was only there in the church Saturday from about 3 p.m. on when I finally dragged my sorry ass along). Sounds like Atty May's was a bit of a bummer - - that's too bad - maybe we should do a beach party thing next year (if the weather is good!) (Notice I say "we" - if it kills me, I'm going next year, and I'm getting there earlier and staying later - I don't want to miss anything!) I'm thinking about renting a house for a week or so near the beach if that's feasible - my family used to do that in the summer when I was a kid - we'd be in the Old Orchard Beach/Saco/Biddeford area for the first two weeks in August every year for many years (my family is originally from Montreal and that's one of the places good Montrealers, both English and French, used to go and probably still do). I LOVE New England (despite its road system). Also, thanks to those who mentioned names that I had forgotten - I remembered the singing, but couldn't remember the names - like Kay Ashley (what a voice!) and Amy, and Russ-I-think-I-called-you-Ross, with his BEEE-YOO-TI-FUL piano playing (and you have to watch his hands when he plays -that's a treat in itself!) If I didn't mention anyone's name or what you sang, it's only because my brain can only take so much of even a good thing - EVERYONE THERE WAS FABULOUS AND THAT'S NO LIE! I'm in a bit of a penurious state right now, so, whether I make it next year or not, probably depends on fortune as much as hard work - maybe I'll try a spell ;) As you probably have heard too many times already, I finally managed to get my husband to move out of the house a couple of months ago, but unfortunately at present I seem to be stuck with supporting him financially but am putting LOTS of pressure on him to get off his ass and get a job and start supporting himself, because my kids come first. It has been 4-5 years since he lost his job and all I know is I would work at ANYTHING rather than having to depend on ANYONE to support me, because I'm just too friggin' proud to put myself in anyone's debt (financially or emotionally) that way. I would never want to owe anyone that way. I also had a bit of a health scare, but I think it's going to be OK. I had this iffy-looking mole (aka "nevus") removed about 10 days before going to Boston, and they took a fair chunk out of my left arm. Ironically, I had always hated that mole (Out, damn spot!) but I figured they just kind of scooped 'em out or cauterized 'em or something (they do if they're small and it's just a cosmestic thing). Anyway, yesterday, I went back and had my stitches removed and the biopsy results. The good news is, it isn't cancer (melanoma, which sounds too pretty to be cancer - it could be a girl's name). However, it is what they call "severly dysplastic" which means (as the doc told me), it's "thinking about" turning into cancer. What that means is that in three more weeks, I have to go back and have another piece carved out of my arm to make sure all the bad stuff is removed. I shouldn't whine, but i just had the damn thing cut and I'm really not looking forward to doing it again, but will get myself steeled for it within the next few weeks and hope THIS time they get all of it - I'm starting to feel like a frickin' Christmas turkey, so don't be surprised if I start gobbling. Pass the cranberry sauce, wouldya? Some good news (for me anyway) is I've signed up for a singing class which starts in a couple of weeks. That should be fun - I need to do something to get some volume in my voice, which tends to be kind of reedy and thin, so I can belt 'em out like Yael ;) My classical guitar lessons start up again next week, but I've reached this plateau and I'm getting a bit discouraged. I seem to be at the same level I was at when I quit piano lessons way back when I was 12 and I would probably give up, except that I want to see if I can make it over this durned hump and at least get A LITTLE bit further than I did in piano. Of course, now I want to play non-classical like all you big kids - - is there anyone out there who does classical AND rock/pop/folk/whatever? Does it make you feel kind of split-personality-ish, or can the two of them blend rogether? All this to say is that next year, Godwilling, I will NOT forget my frickin' guitar-case key in my hotel room and/or will borrow someone else's guitar, or whatever, and I'll sing/play something (but probably not on stage, unless I build up a lot of confidence through these singing lessons and/or learn how to deal with mikes, which I've never used before.) The practicing begins today (dammitall) and hope I don't get sick of the song(s) too soon. Thanks for hearing me out, people. My spirits are much better today than they've been for a while. Oh yeah, by the way, I missed Anne Sandstrom's set because I guess it happened before I got there, but I have her CD and it is just so great. You really must get one if you don't have it. And I've got Victor's and now I want to get Gregg's. when you go to Jonifests, be prepared to bleed (but in a *good* way). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifest - Part Uno (long and winding) now njc - --- "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > Thank you Kakki...and ahem...honey should never go > in the > refrigerator...the cold will make it crystallize. This is probably blasphemy, but I kinda like crystallized honey. (How long does honey keep anyway, refrigerated or not? I've had some sitting, errrr, mmm, in my fridge, for a while - I don't remember how long!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:20:35 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Jonifest - Part Uno (long and winding) now njc It keeps basically forever...as a matter of fact they have even found honey in some dead mummy's tomb. If is crystallized....pop it in the wave for 30 sec...if it is still hard...heat it again and so on until it is not so thick. If you do not have a wave...use a match and hold the bear over it...it takes longer...but hey...if you are not on the cutting edge of the 70's...what can I say. One of the reasons honey such as mine crystallizes is because I do not pasteurize my honey or add water like commercial honeymakers do. I am just a natural earthy girl you know. Honey is very sterile and does not need to be pasteurized. However, market controls for commercial sale require it. The honey I brought was subjected to very cold temps in the plane hold...so it may crystallize. You may also see some foam on the top of the bears as you open them...not to worry...I did wave some of the honey that was thicker...and the foam is nothing more than the honey sugar. Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- "Sharon L. Buffington" > wrote: > > Thank you Kakki...and ahem...honey should never go > > in the > > refrigerator...the cold will make it crystallize. > > This is probably blasphemy, but I kinda like > crystallized honey. > > (How long does honey keep anyway, refrigerated or not? > I've had some sitting, errrr, mmm, in my fridge, for > a while - I don't remember how long!) > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:15:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: random Joni pics (for Rose and all) - --- Gregg Cagno wrote: > > Rose told me the address of Elliot Roberts old > place, 8321 > Lookout Mountain Ave. Not sure if this was Joni's > old digs too, > but I thought I'd put the picture up anyhow if > anyone's interested. > > Also on this page is a shot of Joni that a > photographer buddy of mine, > Robert Corwin, took at Newport 1969. This is a great picture of the young Joni. http://home.netcom.com/~greggno/bythetimewegot2woodstock_files/joni.html I will definitely be getting your CD(s), Greggg - now listening to "Junkyard Reunion". > Live and love, > > Gregg...Still reeling from JoniFest and feeling like > a long lost cousin who > finally found out where the reunion is held :) > I hearya, and, since I'm old enough to be your mother (yikes!), you can just consider me your Auntie Cate. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Sep 2001 09:26:52 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: KIWI news Hell would be proud of Some notable KIWI news. I am proud of NZ. http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?reportID=52007">www.nzherald.co.nz/defence ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:22:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jonifest - Part Uno (long and winding) now njc - --- "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > It keeps basically forever...as a matter of fact > they have even found > honey in some dead mummy's tomb. If is > crystallized....pop it in the > wave for 30 sec... I just realized that when I was about 8, I had to do one of those "public speaking" things. They *made* me do it, I didn't volunteer, and I was *given* a speech to memorize and recite - and it was all about honey! That's one of the many repressed memories ;) that just resurfaced. I forgot my lines halfway through and I burst out crying on stage but I had a broken ankle and a cast on it at the time, so people probably just thought it was so cute - but I was mortified and it took a looonng time before I was ever able to stand up in front of any group of people and speak. They don't do it this way anymore, of course - they don't just throw a speech at you and ask you to memorize it, that is. My kids are given the opportunity quite frequently to present projects as a group with other kids, so they're totally not scared to do it. this is probably gross, but is honey, um, bee shite? If so, it lends a whole new meaning to the phrase, "Eat shit!" (or "Mange d'la merde" en francais.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 10:32:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: KIWI news Hell would be proud of NJC - --- "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > Some notable KIWI news. I am proud of NZ. > > http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?reportID=52007">www.nzherald.co.nz/defence Good stuff. People are just so weird. Like sexuality is contagious or something? And like it takes *real men* to defend their country? I have this theory. It's just a theory, can't prove a darn thing, but here goes... take this in the light-hearted vein in which it is meant - I'm not trying to insult ANYONE. We're all basically bisexual. The *real* bisexuals are on or close to the middle, so they're attracted to both sexes. The heteros and homos are variously placed along this line of (whateverness), and are therefore sexually attracted to the same/opposite sex. It is therefore possible, using this theory, for a hetero- to find a same-sex person to fall in love with, as it is possible for a homo- to find an opposite-sex person (this is proven by the impending nuptials of Kerry-and-Steve). So, for all the "confirmed bachelors" and "spinsters" out there, it's probably true that you "just haven't met the right girl/guy yet". Tee hee. Catherine (who hasn't met the right girl yet. Or the right guy, for that matter, although I have met at least one wrong one, and still trying to figure out where asexuality fits in on my continuum; otherwise my theory is blown to smithereens.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2001 07:29:04 -0700 (PDT) From: rosemjoy@aol.com Subject: Jonifest 2001 photos part 1 Hello JMDL, Please come join me at my little photo island! These are some of the pics that I took with my now obsolete digital camera. Resolution isn't that great, but what the hell I haven't had my film developed yet, I hope to get that done today. Till then.... To get there, simply click the address below and enter your guest password: asharafest http://www.photoisland.com/servlet/GuestLogin?USERNAME=rosejoy47 If that doesn't work, go to www.photoisland.com, and log in to my albums with the following information: Log-in ID: rosejoy47 Guest Password: asharafest Scroll down and run the slideshow, some of you may have to download it first. P.S. Don't forget to sign my guestbook!! Thank you Rosalita in NJ _________________________________________________________________ See you @ PhotoIsland! ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #387 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?