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JMDL Digest       Thursday, September 6 2001       Volume 2001 : Number 384



The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be
found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news,
a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more.

The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains
interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more.
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TOPICS and authors in this Digest:
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  Re: Fest content, aka "Resisting again", njc  ["jlamadoo, home account" <j]
  njc                          ["Dolphie Bush" <courtandspark@earthlink.net>]
  More Middle East Crap , NJC      ["Laurent Olszer" <olszer@xlsecurity.com>]
  More Middle East pt 2, NJC       ["Laurent Olszer" <olszer@xlsecurity.com>]
  Re: More Middle East Crap , NJC             [colin <colin@tantra-apso.com>]
  A Ghost at Heart's Edge            ["shane mattison" <cactussong@home.com>]
  Joan Baez - What A Gal!  (NJC)         [Leslie Mixon <lcmixon@pacbell.net>]
  Joan Baez - What A Gal!  (NJC)         [Leslie Mixon <lcmixon@pacbell.net>]
  Joan Baez - What A Gal!  (NJC)         [Leslie Mixon <lcmixon@pacbell.net>]
  Morgantown                  ["Rob Ettridge" <blueboy@somethingorother.com>]
  Tep Ten Things Done Instead of Going to the JoniFest (NJC)  [MGVal@aol.com]
  Re: Tep Ten Things Done Instead of Going to the JoniFest (NJC)  [FMYFL@aol]
  Middle East fundamentalism , NJC  ["Laurent Olszer" <olszer@xlsecurity.com]
  Re: NJC Hoax                                            [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  Re: More Middle East pt 2, NJC                          [SCJoniGuy@aol.com]
  Jonifest/Gregg (NJC)                     [Steve Dulson <steve@psitech.com>]
  Re: My Toppsfield Review ( a warning)                     [MDESTE1@aol.com]
  Re: Middle East fundamentalism , NJC        [colin <colin@tantra-apso.com>]
  NJC singers                          ["Mike Pritchard" <ink08@hotmail.com>]
  Re: [Jonifest2001] Re: More Lost and Found, short  ["Sharon L. Buffington"]
  Re: [Jonifest2001] voices  ["Sharon L. Buffington" <sharonbuffington@media]
  random Joni pics (for Rose and all)   ["Gregg Cagno" <greggno@hotmail.com>]
  RE: [Jonifest2001] asharafest review NJC  ["Donna J. Binkley" <djb@binkley]
  Re: More Middle East pt 2, NJC               [dsk <dsk11@bellatlantic.net>]
  jonifest thoughts part 1                    [Alison E <alisone4@yahoo.com>]

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 03:08:02 -0400
From: "jlamadoo, home account" <jlamadoo@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Fest content, aka "Resisting again", njc

Cindy said,
>>>>What??  A lesbian sofa?  Is this a seating area created
especially *for* lesbians?  <edited for brevity>
Cindy
P.S. - Ashara, please provide me with the style number and
manufacturer of said sofa as soon as possible.
P.P.S. - Lama, did you get photos??
>>>>>>>>


Cindy,
I know that this is a setup for a joke, and you're expecting me to deliver
the punchline.  Unfortunately.... on advise of counsel...... I have no
comment at this time.  I know of no such punchline, or joke.  Nor would I be
at liberty to dispense such a punchline should it, in fact, exist.  Thank
you.

Turning blue from biting his tongue,
Lamadoo


"A moth cannot enter a closed mouth."
(How am I doing, Master Running Water?)

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 02:07:36 -0500
From: "Dolphie Bush" <courtandspark@earthlink.net>
Subject: njc

better safe than sorry and just because you say it is a hoax don't make it so
and besides this ain't all over creation.

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 09:45:39 +0100
From: "Laurent Olszer" <olszer@xlsecurity.com>
Subject: More Middle East Crap , NJC

Also on August 30th, Colin wrote:
> >
> > > One of these posts about why Jews needed their own homeland, because
of
> > being
> > > foreignors everywhere else and treated badly could equally have been
> > written about
> > > gay people because we too have been universally treated appallingly
all
> > over the
> > > world at all times. It could also be said of people of colour but not
so
> > > universally.
> >
> > Although the analogy is a little farfetched,
>
> And why is that?
>

Well, Colin, after discussing it with my wife, we came to the conclusion
that the analogy was NOT farfetched after all.  Being victimized because one
is part of a group, which means the denial of the individual's own deeds,
makes for a perfect analogy.  Thank you for this good point Colin.


> > For Israel it's a matter of survival, period.  Just look at a map of the
> > area and you'll understand.
> > The safety zone around major Israeli towns is ridiculously tiny.
> > Remember, they're surrounded by over 100 million arabs.
>
> so this justifies killing?
>
I'm trying to say that first there is not that much killing going on.  The
numbers are relatively small considering the modern weapons that are
available.
Second, the killing of children wouldn't happen if parents kept their kids
at home and not encourage them to throw rocks at soldiers.
Third, whatever killings do happen, are the result of self-defense, either
from the Israeli teenage soldier viewpoint (just picture yourself surrounded
by an angry mob and see how long your nerves of steel will hold)
or from the state standpoint.
Just in this week's Time magazine, there's an article which happens to
mention that the country is 13 km wide (8 miles) in its center.  Can't you
see the vital threat there?

Of course there are slip ups, nobody's perfect and Israelis are humans too.
Nobody can approve those.  Nevertheless if the world stopped looking at
Israel through a magnyfying glass they would look at the other millions of
people who are being slaughtered by governments worldwide, to this day,
without much fuss being made by the media beause nobody cares.

.
> Right now here in the UK we have riots in Northern Irelan. CHILDREN are
being
> harrassed trying to go to school. They are Ctaholic children and they walk
thru
> a Protestent area to get to their school. This is a primary school so we
are
> talking 5-11 year olds. This is just so sickening.
>
I tell you what, I won't make any comment about Ireland because I don't know
this topic so I'll keep my mouth shut.

>
> > Laurent

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 10:32:04 +0100
From: "Laurent Olszer" <olszer@xlsecurity.com>
Subject: More Middle East pt 2, NJC

BRENDA: I don't have a clue about Joseph Farah.  First I heard of him was in
this article.
Thanks for the info though.

The other statements in Farah's article are true to the best of my
knowledge.
Since I'm no Koranic expert I will look into this matter.

Any reader who has sources to refute any statement made in this debate are
welcome to state them so we can all make progress in search of the truth.

AZEEM wrote:

> No thanks for the sneering sarcasm, Laurent, especially as it's diverting
> from a REALLY simple point, which is not a mere semantic glitch, as anyone
> can see.  The claim on this list you posted is that Muslims pray with
their
> backs to Jerusalem (like that proves anything anyway) - This claim is a
load
> of nonsense.  The geographical reference I put in was merely an
illustration
> of the stupidity of the claim, and not an attempt to show off.  I also do
not
> claim to be a semantic expert, though if you think I was quibbling over
> semantics you are in any case mistaken.
>
OK Azeem, I agree that particular statement is stupid and at any rate not
worth debating.
I know you're not trying to show off.  I'm simply trying to say that it's
easy to pick on a stupid statement to invalidate the rest of the claims.
Again, let's not nitpick as semantic experts do.  You have something to say
that you can prove then I'm open to criticism.

> Of course, you have also diverted attention (again) from the very simple
> point I was making, which was this: the fact that lies are told about
Jewish
> people does not make it OK for someone else to tell lies about
Palestinians,
> or Arabs, or Muslims, or anyone else.
>
Sure, let's search for the truth, as unbiased as we can all find it.
Again, I welcome criticism as long as it's backed up by evidence and hard
facts.


> I don't remember seeing your name on the list before, Laurent.  The only
> other time I can remember someone suddenly appearing out of nowhere,
without
> any introduction of themselves, and sending a number of highly political
> posts to the list, was when "J Galt" was at large some months back.  Are
any
> other listers getting a sense of deja vu?
>
I don't know what you're inferring here.  No there's no political conspiracy
here.
I made my first Joni related entries to the list on May 5th, 2001 + others
on 11th  & 12th of June.
It just so happens I've been crazy in love with Joni since1976.

When this Middle East debate calms down  I hope to find the time to make
some Joni related entries.
Also, it's hard to find something meaningful to say when there are so many
Joni fans who obviously know much more about her work than I.
When coming back from vacation I found there had been a debate going on on a
topic I know a little about so I decided to share a few facts.
Finally, I welcome any JMDL member to visit me in Paris so we can share our
mutual passion.  Hope to make it to the fest some day.

Laurent

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 10:02:42 +0100
From: colin <colin@tantra-apso.com>
Subject: Re: More Middle East Crap , NJC

> Well, Colin, after discussing it with my wife, we came to the conclusion
> that the analogy was NOT farfetched after all.  Being victimized because one
> is part of a group, which means the denial of the individual's own deeds,
> makes for a perfect analogy.  Thank you for this good point Colin.

I am glad.

>
>
> I'm trying to say that first there is not that much killing going on.

one is too many

> The
> numbers are relatively small considering the modern weapons that are
> available.
> Second, the killing of children wouldn't happen if parents kept their kids
> at home and not encourage them to throw rocks at soldiers.

this is an appalling justification. Blame the victim, which is very common.

>
>
>   Nevertheless if the world stopped looking at
> Israel through a magnyfying glass they would look at the other millions of
> people who are being slaughtered by governments worldwide, to this day,
> without much fuss being made by the media beause nobody cares.

The reason the Middle East is so publicised is beause of oil and nothing else.

Also, here at any rate, we do get much news about eslewhere-Indonesia,
China-Tibet, Afghanistan, South America, Africa. It goes on all over and we here
about it. Like I have already said, the middle eats gets more attention because
of the oil.

It seems to me that you are loyal to your country(Iassume you live there) and
that is fine. However, trying to paint Israel  as righteous  and a victim of
lies and misrepresentauion etc will not work with me.
I abhor violence and mindless rigidy of thinking.
I learned a long time ago that trying to change the views of a fundametalist is
a waste of time. I use that term, p[robably wrongly, to describe those whose
views are based soley on their conviction that their own view oif things is the
only view that is right.
bw
colin

>
>
> .
> > Right now here in the UK we have riots in Northern Irelan. CHILDREN are
> being
> > harrassed trying to go to school. They are Ctaholic children and they walk
> thru
> > a Protestent area to get to their school. This is a primary school so we
> are
> > talking 5-11 year olds. This is just so sickening.
> >
> I tell you what, I won't make any comment about Ireland because I don't know
> this topic so I'll keep my mouth shut.
>
> >
> > > Laurent

- --
bw
colin
DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000
Duo80
colin@tantra-apso.com
http://www.tantra-apso.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 03:12:36 -0600
From: "shane mattison" <cactussong@home.com>
Subject: A Ghost at Heart's Edge

A Ghost at Heart's Edge: Stories & Poems of Adoption, edited by Susan Ito &
Tina Cervin ($17)
A collection of literature, which speaks about adoption through poetry, song
and stories.  This anthology explores the many themes of adoption, and shows
each of the triad characters - adoptees, adoptive parents, and birth parents -
in all their complexity.  Includes works by:  Isabel Allende, Charles Baxter,
Louise Erdrich, Jacquelyn Mitchard and Joni Mitchell.  (1999)

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1556433239/spencechapinserv/002-336684
4-9631252

shane

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Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:26:22 -0700
From: Leslie Mixon <lcmixon@pacbell.net>
Subject: Joan Baez - What A Gal!  (NJC)

A clear voice for right action

Dear Ann Landers: Never have I felt so moved as when I read the letter
from "Former Classmate in Illinois." I, too, have avoided attending my
high school reunions. And with good reason.

It was 45 years ago, and I had just come to America from Europe. My
English was not good, and the "in crowd" didnt think I had the right
clothes or hairstyle. Everything about me was wrong. I had to endure
their snickering, and I always ate
alone at lunchtime. I once got up the nerve to invite six girls to my
16th birthday party. Only one girl came, and she left early. My parents
never knew that I cried myself to sleep that night.

In my junior year, something wonderful happened. Another girl saved me
from despair. We became friends instantly, and she began to join me at
lunch. She was also ignored by the "in crowd," but she didnt care. She
marched to a different
drummer. She had her own music.

She came to my home one afternoon and brought her little sister to play
with mine. We became great friends. She played her guitar and sang like
an angel. Soon she invited me to join her as she visited USO clubs and
sang for the soldiers. She
was a big hit wherever she appeared. One night on the way home from a
USO club, I bet her $10 she would become famous  and she did. Her name
is Joan Baez.

 Rosie Herz (now Rita Violette) of Sun City

Dear Rosie: What a heartwarming story. I hope Joan Baez sees this column
or that someone who knows her will bring it to her attention. We now
know that in addition to her marvelous voice, Joan Baez is a beautiful
person with a loving and generous heart.

Leslie

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Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:26:06 -0700
From: Leslie Mixon <lcmixon@pacbell.net>
Subject: Joan Baez - What A Gal!  (NJC)

A clear voice for right action

Dear Ann Landers: Never have I felt so moved as when I read the letter
from "Former Classmate in Illinois." I, too, have avoided attending my
high school reunions. And with good reason.

It was 45 years ago, and I had just come to America from Europe. My
English was not good, and the "in crowd" didnt think I had the right
clothes or hairstyle. Everything about me was wrong. I had to endure
their snickering, and I always ate
alone at lunchtime. I once got up the nerve to invite six girls to my
16th birthday party. Only one girl came, and she left early. My parents
never knew that I cried myself to sleep that night.

In my junior year, something wonderful happened. Another girl saved me
from despair. We became friends instantly, and she began to join me at
lunch. She was also ignored by the "in crowd," but she didnt care. She
marched to a different
drummer. She had her own music.

She came to my home one afternoon and brought her little sister to play
with mine. We became great friends. She played her guitar and sang like
an angel. Soon she invited me to join her as she visited USO clubs and
sang for the soldiers. She
was a big hit wherever she appeared. One night on the way home from a
USO club, I bet her $10 she would become famous  and she did. Her name
is Joan Baez.

 Rosie Herz (now Rita Violette) of Sun City

Dear Rosie: What a heartwarming story. I hope Joan Baez sees this column
or that someone who knows her will bring it to her attention. We now
know that in addition to her marvelous voice, Joan Baez is a beautiful
person with a loving and generous heart.

Leslie

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Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:26:53 -0700
From: Leslie Mixon <lcmixon@pacbell.net>
Subject: Joan Baez - What A Gal!  (NJC)

A clear voice for right action

Dear Ann Landers: Never have I felt so moved as when I read the letter
from "Former Classmate in Illinois." I, too, have avoided attending my
high school reunions. And with good reason.

It was 45 years ago, and I had just come to America from Europe. My
English was not good, and the "in crowd" didnt think I had the right
clothes or hairstyle. Everything about me was wrong. I had to endure
their snickering, and I always ate
alone at lunchtime. I once got up the nerve to invite six girls to my
16th birthday party. Only one girl came, and she left early. My parents
never knew that I cried myself to sleep that night.

In my junior year, something wonderful happened. Another girl saved me
from despair. We became friends instantly, and she began to join me at
lunch. She was also ignored by the "in crowd," but she didnt care. She
marched to a different
drummer. She had her own music.

She came to my home one afternoon and brought her little sister to play
with mine. We became great friends. She played her guitar and sang like
an angel. Soon she invited me to join her as she visited USO clubs and
sang for the soldiers. She
was a big hit wherever she appeared. One night on the way home from a
USO club, I bet her $10 she would become famous  and she did. Her name
is Joan Baez.

 Rosie Herz (now Rita Violette) of Sun City

Dear Rosie: What a heartwarming story. I hope Joan Baez sees this column
or that someone who knows her will bring it to her attention. We now
know that in addition to her marvelous voice, Joan Baez is a beautiful
person with a loving and generous heart.

Leslie

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 04:53:16 -0500
From: "Rob Ettridge" <blueboy@somethingorother.com>
Subject: Morgantown

    - --- Dflahm@aol.com wrote:
     > I believe the word for "morning" in German (and
     > possibly other languages) is 
     > "morgen."
     >                                               
     >                                                     
     >                    DAVID 
     > LAHM

- ----anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote:

>    It is - Guten Morgen means Good morning.  Morgenstern
>    means morning star; and so on...
>    Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca

Not only that but morgen also means 'tomorrow' in German, but I think they
have different genders (it's the same in spanish isn't it?  el manana / la
manana - sorry, can't do the tilda thing over the n!).  

I can't remember the original post, but if we are reading german sub-texts
into this song, then surely this must be another case of Joni's duality,
but I think I'm stretching it a bit :-)

Rob

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 06:53:09 EDT
From: MGVal@aol.com
Subject: Tep Ten Things Done Instead of Going to the JoniFest (NJC)

10. Got my kids out of the closet since I was going to be home.

9. Took a nap.

8. Rearranged my Joni CDs in alphabetical order.

7. Categorized by genus the collection of dust balls under my bed. There were 
dust bunnies, dust monkeys, dust lambs and dust....oh....er.....so THAT's 
what happened to the damn hamster.

6. Took a nap.

5. Spent Saturday morning at an emergency dental appointment and after 10 
minutes of breathing nitrous oxide was pretty sure I was at the current 
JoniFest. As well as past Jonifests. And future JoniFests!

4. Whipped up a batch of Taylor's Ham.

3. Logged onto www.jmdl.com and wondered where the hell the promised photos 
were.

2. Played with my collection of past JoniFest name tags.

And the #1 Thing:

1. Surfed www.travelplansinadvance.com and booked my ticket to Ashara's for 
next year!!!!



MG

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 07:20:26 EDT
From: FMYFL@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tep Ten Things Done Instead of Going to the JoniFest (NJC)

In a message dated 9/6/01 6:54:15 AM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com 
writes:


> 

LOL Mary Grace!
Of course you took naps when you *did* go to past Jonifests :~)

We sure missed you this year!

Jimmy

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 14:17:27 +0100
From: "Laurent Olszer" <olszer@xlsecurity.com>
Subject: Middle East fundamentalism , NJC

Colin wrote:
> >
> It seems to me that you are loyal to your country(Iassume you live there)
and
> that is fine.

Sorry, I'm French and live in France

However, trying to paint Israel  as righteous  and a victim of
> lies and misrepresentauion etc will not work with me.
> I abhor violence and mindless rigidy of thinking.
> I learned a long time ago that trying to change the views of a
fundametalist is
> a waste of time. I use that term, p[robably wrongly, to describe those
whose
> views are based soley on their conviction that their own view oif things
is the
> only view that is right.
> >
I couldn't agree more with you.  However, if you remember I've been trying
to keep the debate factual from the start, so as to give information to
those (I'm not saying you) who base their opinion on anything but fact.

I'll defend my views until PROVEN wrong.  However, should I be proven wrong
(to which I'm open) I'll defend the new view with the same ardor.  Does that
make me a fundamentalist?
Seems to me all the facts I've given have not changed anybody's view, not
even yours.
So what's the bottom line, is everyone a fundamentalist or they simply don't
care?

Laurent
> >
> > >
> > > > Laurent

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 08:59:02 EDT
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJC Hoax

<<Dolphie please check these things before you send them all over creation.>>

I agree...I know that Mack has good intentions but I for one would rather not get these sorts of e-mails here. Plus, I'm STILL waiting for Bill Gates to send me $100 AND my free trip to Disney World! ;~)

Also Mark, thanks for your phone call to the fest. Wish I could have talked to you live, but we all got to hear your message. 

Bob

NP: James Taylor, "Mighty Storm" live '98

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 09:04:09 EDT
From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com
Subject: Re: More Middle East pt 2, NJC

<<I made my first Joni related entries to the list on May 5th, 2001 + others on 11th  & 12th of June.
It just so happens I've been crazy in love with Joni since 1976.>>

I'll back Laurent up on this...we've had conversation off-list and he's a fine fellow. We've also done some trading and both of us are quite the richer for the experience.

Bob

NP: James Taylor, "Only A Dream In Rio" (reminds me of singing those JT songs at Ashara's with the amazing Willy on guitar...)

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 08:05:00 -0700
From: Steve Dulson <steve@psitech.com>
Subject: Jonifest/Gregg (NJC)

Kate wrote:

>We really missed you not being there Steve.

Aw, shucks...(shuffles feet) (blushes)...

>Yes Gregg definately raised the bar for all of us

Sorry I left a "g" off your name, Gregg!

>So if you need an excuse to attend, you might consider attending
>jonifest as a recruiting vehicle for your concert series as the performing
>level was quite professional...(non profit volunteer business write off!)

Hehehehe....worth considering! First I have to get the board to finance
my trips to Folk Alliance! Yes, all the jmdlers that I've heard do
music have been REMARKABLY good - which makes me even MORE hesitant to
pull out my instruments. :)
- -- 
########################################################
Steve Dulson        Costa Mesa CA       steve@psitech.com
"The Tinker's Own"                      http://www.tinkersown.com
"Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org
"The Living Tradition Concert Series"   http://www.thelivingtradition.org/

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 11:06:50 EDT
From: MDESTE1@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Toppsfield Review ( a warning)

I discovered that when I went to new orleans it was really great therapy to sit down and do a lengthy review of the entire trip. You simply cant drop a fest "cold turkey". For those of you feeling the withdrawls I highly recommend it. Its like it must be at AA meetings or something.  So I hope you will all indulge me in letting me post a very long review. Its going to be about 5 or six parts like the New Orleans report was because AOL wont take real long pieces. So for those of you on the list who think Im always full of beans about everything simply dont read them. Please. They will be posted tomorrow. I include a complete semidetailed review of the fest musical events.   Marcel Deste

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 16:33:57 +0100
From: colin <colin@tantra-apso.com>
Subject: Re: Middle East fundamentalism , NJC

> Seems to me all the facts I've given have not changed anybody's view,

becasue they weren't facts-just a differing viewpoint.

> not
> even yours.
> So what's the bottom line, is everyone a fundamentalist

I made it quite clear what i thought a fundamentalist was.

> or they simply don't
> care?

If you thimnk that, then you haven't been reading what has been written and that
concerns me. It implies that you have set views that will not be chnaged and
that in itslef might well fit my definiton of a fundy!

I don't see much point in going over and over this. You have one view, I have
another. I see niether party in this war as being right, you see one side as
being wrong. We shall have to leave it at that.
bw
colin

>
>
> Laurent
> > >
> > > >
> > > > > Laurent

- --
bw
colin
DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000
Duo80
colin@tantra-apso.com
http://www.tantra-apso.com

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 18:08:11 +0200
From: "Mike Pritchard" <ink08@hotmail.com>
Subject: NJC singers

Thanks to this list I have become aware of some music I would possibly not
have heard of and I am very grateful for that. Which leads me to my comments
and a couple of questions. Firstly, I have to say that I like Emmylou Harris'
'Wrecking Ball' very much but am I the only person who dislikes the way her
voice fades away at the end of many of the lines, particularly on the early
tracks?

Secondly, I agree wholeheartedly that the wonderful Joan Armatrading is
criminally underrated and underpromoted. Two of the biggest record shops in
Barcelona between them have the grand total of not one of her records. Nothing
at all. Zero. How can this be?

Finally, I am trying to get hold of some tickets for Bjork's concert here in
November. Anybody out there seen this tour, if it is a tour. They say that it
will be with a 100-piece orchestra and 30-piece children's choir. Any info?
Comments? Reviews?



Thanks,



Mike

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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:35:27 -0500
From: "Sharon L. Buffington" <sharonbuffington@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: [Jonifest2001] Re: More Lost and Found, short

Thank you dear Victor.  I am less blue today...less weepy.  The event
with all of you was really a life altering event for me because as Susan
Guzzi reminded me...this was our first event away from our friends since
our partners died.  For me it was once again looking at what is really
important in life...the words to songs sung by our performers touched me
deeply and helped me realize just what it is I need and want in my  life
and to go for it...it was truly an epiphany.  :)

Love and peace.........Sharon 

Victor Johnson wrote:
> 
> > Sharon...still blue
> >
> 
> "Cinderella, look outside,
> There's a star hung just for you.
> So wipe your eyes and know,
> That things are not so blue..."
> 
> Victor, blue too...
> 
> Victor Johnson
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> 
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> Come when you lay down your head.
> While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you,
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 12:37:04 -0500
From: "Sharon L. Buffington" <sharonbuffington@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: [Jonifest2001] voices

Claudia...I am remembering your smile as well...and of course your
ability to serenade a song.  :)

Love and peace......Sharon

Claudia wrote:
> 
> Oh Sharon... how wonderful to have your warm smiles edged in my mind's
> eye... like a field of wild flowers ... no wonder you are the keeper of the
> bees ;-) Even though we did not get much of a chance to talk I miss your
> presence, which I enjoyed immensely!
> 
> hugs, claud9
> 
> > From: "Sharon L. Buffington" <sharonbuffington@mediaone.net>
> > Organization: Buffington Law Office
> > Reply-To: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 23:01:27 -0500
> > To: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [Jonifest2001] voices
> >
> > Dear Mags and Claudia:
> >
> > I miss you both and can hear your voices...another blue day today......
> >
> > Love and Peace......Sharon
> >
> > Claudia wrote:
> >>
> >> Mags, I know what you mean! I am slowly working my way through the large
> >> number of posts and I hear everyone's voice so clearly that it is at times
> >> starteling. It is amazing to not only have a face but also a voice burned
> >> into memory and yes, I too wonder when the immediacy of my memory will
> >> fade... I feel so fortunate for having had another chance to soak up the
> >> spirit of this many wonderful beings. I feel enriched beyond words.
> >>
> >> claud9
> >>
> >>> From: Mags <pholden@iprimus.ca>
> >>> Reply-To: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 22:17:22 -0400
> >>> To: jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: [Jonifest2001] voices
> >>>
> >>> whenever i read the Fest posts...I can hear the voice
> >>> of the person writing as if they are narrating it
> >>> rather than writing it. so cool. i wonder how long
> >>> this will last? the notion makes me smile and then get
> >>> all weepy.
> >>>
> >>> Mags , promising to write as soon as I can find the
> >>> words.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> And this loving is a drawing close,
> >>> a tuning in, an opening.
> >>> Until one perfect moment;
> >>> but how can it be expressed?
> >>> A receiving, an enfolding
> >>> as I cradle you in my arms.
> >>> Within my heart, within my soul,
> >>> You are my true love.
> >>>
> >>> --Lui Collins
> >>>
> >>> ---
> >>>
> >>> _~O
> >>> / /\_,
> >>> ___/\
> >>> /_
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 17:34:45 
From: "Gregg Cagno" <greggno@hotmail.com>
Subject: random Joni pics (for Rose and all)

Hey Rose & All,

I first posted to the list when I was off on
the train trip through Saskatoon in February and then
passing through Laurel Canyon when I was out playing in LA in March.

Rose told me the address of Elliot Roberts old place,                8321 
Lookout Mountain Ave. Not sure if this was Joni's old digs too,
but I thought I'd put the picture up anyhow if anyone's interested.

Also on this page is a shot of Joni that a photographer buddy of mine, 
Robert Corwin, took at Newport 1969. (There's a link to his site too where 
he's got some fine old Dylan, CSNY, Pete Seeger, and more if you're nasty)

dig in:

http://home.netcom.com/~greggno/bythetimewegot2woodstock_files/joni.html

Live and love,

Gregg...Still reeling from JoniFest and feeling like a long lost cousin who 
finally found out where the reunion is held :)


___________________________________________________________

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 12:45:25 -0500
From: "Donna J. Binkley" <djb@binkleybarfield.com>
Subject: RE: [Jonifest2001] asharafest review NJC

Dear Yael,

It was so wonderful meeting and singing with you too.  It's not so much me
as the love and joy i felt from the experience and from everyone there.

You really touched me with Hey Now or the Crowded House song.  It's a song i
never paid much attention to on the radio, but hearing you sing it Sat. at
Ashara's and then at Atty's really brought it into a new light.  Keep on
rockin.

Also your accoustic guitar is so sweet, what kind is it again?

Love Donna

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From: Yael Harlap [mailto:yharlap@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:36 AM
To: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com; joni@smoe.org
Subject: [Jonifest2001] asharafest review NJC


I don't know how long this e-mail will end up... hopefully short... but
probably not. :-)   [<--- that would be, not]

I had a great, great time. I want to still be there. I have rarely - if
ever - been a part of such a loving group of people. Let me amend that by
saying I have groups of very close friends who mutually care about each
other, but I felt that this group was unique in my experience in that it
was so free of ego - people I met were remarkably giving and generous and
rarely tied up in their own issues... Sure, there was a little of that - we
*are* human after all (with the possible exception of a few living angels!)
- - but at least for the weekend, it was all on the back burner.

I learned so much from everyone - about giving generously (I am thinking
particularly about Anne Anne Anne and also John V.T., Les I, Sharon and of
course Ashara... as well as other people)... about looking out for each
other... about taking a back seat to others (something I am not as good at
- - anyone notice? :-))... about cooking salmon... and playing guitar (though
Marcel someday I *will* have you show me a song to crack open new horizons
- - I was sorry we didn't get to that)... and singing with an amp (I will
find a way to Practice that for next year!)... And I think I was able to
give some of those things to others, too. For which I am happy and grateful.

Of course, I am totally thankful for the HUGS (and thanks, Steve P, for the
virtual hug earlier - it was yummy).

Here are, in no particular order, specific thanks and thoughts for people...
Hell - I can't believe you came so far, and I'm so glad you did! I didn't
get much of a chance to talk to you but I love that you are so bold and
funny and upfront. And I appreciate the possum skins (I think - though
horribly I think they were left in the hotel room, after all my careful
planning! Ack! What do you suppose the cleaning staff will think about the
rubber flask and those skins!?).
Jimmy - your hugs are the greatest! I wish I had more time to talk to you
but your presence was so strongly felt whenever you were in the room, and
it was warm and funny and gracious.
Anne - you are the best kind of living angel ever - so so generous and
thoughtful and I really appreciated that - I hope you are enjoying the
denim shirt and I can't wait to see you at Asharafest next year!
Stephanie - I am sorry I didn't get a chance to say goodbye, Steph! I don't
know where you were when I left! But that just means that there is no
good-bye and that we'll connect again soon. I'm so glad you came - I loved
doing our mocked-up versions of Tori and Joni on piano and voice - and
especially loved how into your classical pieces you were when you played
them! Next year we won't be so nervous about our performances, 'kay? and
you'll have to tell me about the Tori show after you see it.
Steve P - as I said before, too bad about Don't Dream, but we'll do it next
year, full throttle! You are such a diva on the piano, I love it. And I
think every so often we should (all) just send virtual hugs out to random
(or, well, not-so-random, but different) people - they are so special even
though they can't quite measure up to real touch.
Claudia - I want you as a friend for real, Claud... when I get over
admiring you for your quiet confidence, and that inside beauty that just
shines through, and your singing which made me cry though nothing ever
does. If we were hanging out I would be torn between wanting to hear you
sing and wanting to talk and talk.
John V.T. - it was just so great how much you had to give, John - not only
the chocolate (which was great! and I'm still eating more, my gawd!) and
the cheese (which I avoid but can appreciate for the sake of others!) and
the salmon and the peanut sauce... and the pictures - especially the joy
you had sharing them with everyone - but also your smile and your hugs and
support and attentiveness to the welfare of everyone else. I notice you
watching to make sure everything is ok - I am that way, too. Stay in touch.
Jim the Lama - how can I thank you enough, not only for coming to freakin'
Ann Arbor 4 hours out of your way to pick me up, but also for taking me on
as a project ("Kakki, have you met Yael yet? etc). You are so thoughtful
and concerned about others... And the pictures. Everyone should get a copy
of Jim's picture CD - I have seen a few sneak previews and they are
glowing! (not literally). Don't forget our car drive conversations!
Kay - hotel buddy. I love your songs so you'd better get that CD out quick.
It was great getting to know you - show yourself more on the list.
Gregg - ditto! good to see your first post - keep it coming. I've been
listening to your CD and I am so happy listening to it and thinking of you
making your joyful noise... I appreciate your scolding me for putting down
my guitar playing - I will remember that and remedy it. Next year you'll
think I am a cocky little ho :-)  I am wondering how you made that sort of
sliding metallic overtone sound on Fearless Heart - do you know what I mean?
Nikki - it was so great to meet you after talking online so many times. I'm
sorry you weren't feeling so well - it was fun to sing along with you on
the beach and yes Sheryl does need more heart, sometimes I get very
absorbed in the sound over the feeling. You inspired me to pick up Leaving
Las Vegas so I am practicing it now.
Sharon - you are so warm and one of quiet deeds. I labeled that honey-bear
"Sharon's bees" with permanent marker so everyone in my house knows it
comes from your bees. It was really good to meet you and I love hearing you
talk openly and matter-of-factly about gay stuff - very few in my life are
quite so un-hung-up about their sexuality and I think it is such a great
model for me. hugs to you.

Gawd, this is getting awfully yearbook-y. Someone kick my ass if I start
writing "have a great summer!" At least I can't put bubble dots on my "i"s
on email. Aren't you glad? OK, keeping on...

Les Irvin - I wish I had talked with you more, but I did enjoy the little
talks we had about the Halloween industry :-)  - you are another of quiet
generosity and I am grateful to know you and of course grateful that you
are the alpha and the omega of the list.
Les from London - I got so much joy out of sitting in Ashara's dining room
with you and Willy the Shake playing music and singing Joni songs - you are
so unassuming but so magnificent in guitar playing and I felt so privileged
and grateful that I could sit there and be treated as a musical equal with
people who obviously had so much experience. I loved all the music last
weekend (though I have to say I don't feel too bad to have missed
reggae-Joni!) but sitting in that room was special because I did not for a
minute feel dwarfed.
Willy - same as above - I really loved talking to you - I felt so listened
to... though the fest was so hectic and there was so little time to connect
with everyone, I felt like even when we weren't talking about anything much
you were fully present in the conversation - that is such a rare quality
and so important (I know I don't always have that). Spending time with you
was joyful. And next year please sing Sweet Bird again - it was so
beautiful.
Sue - it was great to catch up with you again! We should make opportunities
for minigatherings in MI - there are a bunch of us around here. I hope
you're having fun with the kids.
Kerry - Harold and Maude forever. Don't forget to check out State & Main as
well as Rushmore. I love those movies. And their soundtracks. Rushmore even
has a Cat S song on it - I swear it MUST be a tribute to Harold and Maude.
You are so easy to talk to.
Rose - I'm so glad to have met you after all our talking! Though we didn't
get too much chance to talk... I hope things are going ok. I apologize for
waving your smoke away - I know that is annoying! But I don't mind having
to do it, so don't take it personally, 'kay? I know I'll see you often in
the virtual world.
Michael - I felt automatic kinship with you. Somehow I knew I just wanted
to hang out with you lots of time... even though there was no way to do it
with all the people and excitement, I was happy to have some time to hang
out during shrimping and shrimp souping. It was a very shrimpy weekend and
goddammit, my backpack still smells of shrimp, so I have jonifest with me
still. I know we will stay in touch. I loved hearing you play, and singing
Amelia with you though I guess I had a different version going in my own
head, timing-wise! Sometime maybe we can play human jukebox (you musical
genius, you), perhaps when I am in N.O. in April! I can't wait - not for
the conference, but to get to hang with you. hugs, my friend.
Susan Guzzi - we barely talked, but I appreciated your warmth and support -
I could feel that coming from you as you watched everyone perform Saturday
and that was a comfort as I was up there on that quavering stage. Oh, I
guess I was the one quavering.
Marcel - we've definitely had our share of political bickering on the
list... so I was like, gawd, how can I like this man so much?! :-)  But I
did. I really enjoyed talking to you, and loved hearing you play and sing.
I hope that your wife ended up enjoying herself more than she expected...
And speaking of that... it was great to see Jeff B enjoying jonifest. I
don't think I even exchanged more than a word with Jeff, but he epitomized
cool. That was glorious in itself... and once the music started, wow. Kate
- - the same to you, as far as music goes - I loved hearing you play. I also
really liked talking to you though it was in such brief snippets. I hope
when I go to Cali next I have more chance to talk with you and Jeff.
Russ - your piano playing was awesome! I wish I could have heard your
Judgment of the Moon and Stars but I suppose it is good to have things
hanging for the future.
Jeff - speaking of things for the future - we will do People's Parties
sometime, because your playing is so great, it has to be heard by all. And
because I love singing it with you. I really enjoyed our conversations on
Aimee Mann and music and playing guitar... and the walk on the beach...
start singing. :-)
Victor - you are awesome, Schmendrick! Your songs have the best
progressions in them - I love that unexpected. Talking to you was special -
I appreciate that you are so encouraging and kind.
Catherine - so little time, but I'm so glad I met you because I always love
your posts and you are as sweet and funny as they are. I wish to have heard
you play guitar. Hey, not to put myself down or anything (note that,
Gregg?) but I'm sure you were more experienced on the instrument than I was
and that didn't stop me from guitar hogging! And no one seemed to mind! How
wonderful was that... Anyhow sorry that you had to leave so soon but we
will meet again.
Mags'n'Brei - you are together because I always saw you together! The two
of you are so sweet, and it was wonderful to put faces to the words I have
exchanged with such frequency. I can't wait to see you both again.
Chris - I totally loved our drive! Hooray that we got lost, otherwise we
would never have gotten such giggles over "no parking" signs. (the local
ordinance board: "I know what we should do!"). I know that if we lived in
proximity we *would* keep hanging out - I had too much fun not to. Your
bass playing was divine - and it was such a rush for me to play with other
people doing lots of instruments - bass is so powerful. Yum.
Steve Mixon - speaking of people game for playing... your mandolin playing
was so cool! I can't BELIEVE that I was leading a frickin' song on vg8 with
you highlighting on mandolin! I wish I could do you justice (and one day I
will!); it was awesome, and tremendous fun. You were so game for everything
- - it was great.
Leslie Mixon - friend-with-my-hair (though darker and less purple)... i
love to hear you sing. and we didn't talk much but I really appreciated
being so welcomed into songs with you...
Donna - wild woman. good gawd! I can't believe one person can bring so much
fun into a room! how is that possible? Sorry to have driven you on a wild
goose chase - those hotels were feckin' impossible to find. I can totally
imagine you as the protagonist's voice in "Carey" - all that wild dancing
and playing. Next year you must perform!
Amy - your singing brought the room to silence. some people seem to have
that ability - it is so amazing. I was very glad to meet you and I hope
next time I get a chance to really talk to you beyond "that sounded great"
and "do you know where the mop is?" :-)
Bob Murphy - I will definitely let you know when I am in Providence next,
whenever that is... ahh... I miss Providence... though not as much as I
miss jonifest! It was good to get to meet you and next time we'll talk
more, I hope.
Bob the covers man - Bob, you are one energetic dude. Not to mention
supportive and kind and exuberant. I'm so glad to have been graced by your
warmth.
Patrick, Jody, Lori, Steven from Vancouver, Pearl and Steve - I know there
is so much I could say about each of you... I am running out of steam here
tonight... but I will not forget you or your support and I do have
wonderful and warm memories of each of you.
Alison - Alison, you are so spunky. i really enjoyed hanging with you in
the crowd on the porch...
Wally - Bjork! you are unique, birthday fairy. I still am having a hard
time putting my image of you as the birthday fairy with my new and real
image of you! Somehow it is hard for me to picture a birthday fairy with a
hefty black beard. :-)  It was great fun to be in the same room as you,
especially when you were singing so exuberantly.
Kakki - I can't wait to see you the next time I am in LA. We barely had a
chance to connect but I suspect it will be so much fun to have some of your
time and conversation! I enjoyed the little moments that there were.
Maggie the culinary goddess - you were so amazing getting it all together
and staying so cheerful and smiling and peaceful! I want to be just like
you! :)
of course Ashara and Sal - you are wonderful!!! thank you for starting
this, for opening up your house to all these great weirdos (I include
myself here). It was awesome awesome awesome. And besides that, you are
great, and have such a great sense of humor... and tolerance (for the
weirdos again). I can't wait to encounter you again.

If I forgot anyone, I am so sorry. It isn't because I didn't care but
because there were so many wonderful, mind-blowing people...

And I suppose I could go on and on about amazing special moments but there
were so many. All I can say is:
I could sing all day every day. Especially with you.
People I had special moments with know what they are and who they are and I
valued those about all else.

lovelovelovelovelove,
Yael
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Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 14:54:49 -0400
From: dsk <dsk11@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: More Middle East pt 2, NJC

Laurent Olszer wrote:
> 
> Any reader who has sources to refute any statement made in this debate are
> welcome to state them so we can all make progress in search of the truth.

Did you miss these sources that were previously posted to the list?

http://64.226.129.19/pmw/snakebite/Historical.html

http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/

> Sure, let's search for the truth, as unbiased as we can all find it.
> Again, I welcome criticism as long as it's backed up by evidence and hard
> facts.

I get the strong impression that the only hard facts of any interest to
you are the ones you supply. So why keep acting like you're willing to
"search for the truth"?

Debra Shea

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Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2001 11:52:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alison E <alisone4@yahoo.com>
Subject: jonifest thoughts part 1

you know you've been to a fecking great party when
everyone is posting about NEXT YEAR! ok, so i had
better put some thoughts to e-paper, as today is my
last day at this job. i am leaving to move back to
utah, so for those of you who remember, i reclaim
"alison e. in slc". 
in no real order:

kerry, what could i say about kerry, except apparently
we won't be needing to go to vermont anytime soon
thanks to STEVE! :-) it was so great to do the white
guy dance with you at atty mays, and to watch the
other crazy kids dancing, and the time we all laughed
until we cried on the back porch. meeting you was a
*very* special treat. 

jimmy, my soul brother. my love, i am blessed to count
among one of the best and funniest humans i know. 

patrick, the action figure, who helped kay and i come
up with the fact that the bloody mary is the perfect
food, and totally prevents scurvy! again, i am lucky
to count you as a good friend, and i lurv you.

gregg, i was mesmerized the first time i heard you
play (which explains my inability to come up with
complete sentences in your presence!) i am SO GLAD i
got to hear you play in such an intimate setting. i
will remember it always. you letting me come up and
sing fearless heart, man, thats one of my favorite
songs and therefore a dream come true to sing it with
you. it was the highlight of my weekend.

stephen, my husband with the cool shoes, what more can
i say? you are a very sweet man and we giggled all
through our marriage. thanks 

kakki, my bug ridden sister, a pleasure to see you
again and sing carey and the weight, and i look
forward to january and NAMM...

maggie, thanks for letting me help out in the kitchen,
and for not making fun of me as i cracked a beer while
cutting up tomatoes at 11 AM, hee hee..."it's cocktail
hour somewhere in the world!"

paz, i love you so much and thank you for all your
effort, even though it was hard we all appreciate it
more than we can say. 

nikki, who didnt feel that well but is always kind
enough to indulge me and play and hang out and be
cheerful and happy--i love you and i am going to miss
you out west! you are a very special woman. and no
longer the youngest jonifester, thanks to.......
stephanie! my roomie! i hope you all get to hear her
play piano one day, she is such a talent and so sweet.
"seriously, dad, its fine. they are nice people. yes,
im fine. no, dad, no alcohol."

les ross, i LURV you hon! seriously, though, i love
this guy.

sharon, it took me a while to figure out that you were
the same woman who posted that amazing story about
your partner, and losing her, and it was so beautiful
and poignant and made me cry...thanks for taking all
the time to dole out the raffle stuff and be the
manager. thanks for effort, even though i didnt' win
anything! LOL! it was so nice to meet you and i look
forward to some honey next year. ;-) 

chris marshall, willy, the british contingent that i
am having dinner with tonight (YEAH!) thanks for all
love love and effort and music, they were all
excellent and you've all heard it so i second everyone
else on that. 

donna! my white trash sister! thanks to the beer
koozy, i always knew which drink was mine! thanks so
much for indulging my silliness and joking around with
me about our less than royal roots!

yael-i am a woman of purple hair....how did it take me
two days to notice that half you're hair is purple?
wait don't answer that! 


ok. i think i need another page so i'll p the rest in
part two....
alison e. in nyc 
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