From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #382 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, September 5 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 382 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Middle East Continues, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Re: Middle East Continues, NJC [colin ] Myths of the Middle East, NJC ["Laurent Olszer" ] Jonifest Videos [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: The Last Time I Saw Richard - very NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Morgantown [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: NJC Re: JoniFest thank you!...long and gushing ;) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: R.E.M. NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: 3 New Releases [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: Jonifest Top Ten (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Jonifest/Greg [Steve Dulson ] Jonifest Top Ten (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Covers #21...the madness continues... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] The Last Time I Saw Richard - Very NJC ["Michael Paz" ] RE: From sleep deprived, giggling jonifesters to infants and toddlers(njc) ["Chris Marshall" ] Win Your Free copy of #21! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Jonifest Top Ten ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: The last time I saw Richard [RobSher50@aol.com] FW: JoniFesti ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: [Jonifest2001] JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Fw: ["Dolphie Bush" ] Bittersweet JoniFest (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:40:14 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Middle East Continues, NJC On August 30th, Azeem wrote: > OK, the claim that Muslims pray with their backs to Jerusalem: the fact is > that they face Mecca when they pray, there is no instruction to face AWAY > from anywhere. And if they are in Aden, for example, they will be facing > both Jerusalem and Mecca. The statement is untrue. Thumbs up for a terrific demonstration in geography Azeem. I would never have thought anybody would nitpick on such a semantic glitch. Actually the fact that there is such a "glitch" makes me believe the original letter was written by a cultured layman, not by a semantic expert. > > While I'm at it, the other statement that I immediately raised doubts about > the list's supposed impartiality was that the Koran does not mention > Jerusalem once; while this is true, it is highly disingenuous in its > inference. The Koran only mentions Mecca once, yet nobody would dispute that > Mecca is the holiest site in Islam. I have a letter written by an American Arab journalist, which I will retype soon, which states that the Koran mentions Mecca hundreds of times and Medina countless times. But I'm no expert on the Koran myself. "..........half-truths and misconceptions are told about the jewish race........" As everybody knows, Judaism is a religion, not a race. Neither Sartre nor Nietsche could define the jewish race, but I'm glad to see you had more success. Also on August 30th, Colin wrote: > One of these posts about why Jews needed their own homeland, because of being > foreignors everywhere else and treated badly could equally have been written about > gay people because we too have been universally treated appallingly all over the > world at all times. It could also be said of people of colour but not so > universally. Although the analogy is a little farfetched, there are similarities whenever hate, bigotry and intolerance come in ( the 3 great stimulants). > Both letters implied that anyone not agreeing 100% with the said postion is > antisemeitc, which is ridiculous(anit semetic covers Arabs as well I might, they > being semitic people). > I never implied that, everybody can have their opinion. All I'm saying is the media, especially in France and the U.K. (I watch BBC news often) are presenting any story they feel like. Sometimes out of ignorance and sometimes for other reasons. I can't speak about the U.S. media since I only see Time magazine and haven't noticed anything in it. Please consider these examples: Paris Match, famous weekly news magazine, printed on its cover when the intifada broke up a picture of an Israeli policeman threatening with a stick a dark haired young man with blood running down his face. Soon thereafter, a U.S. physician from Chicago wrote to explain the young man was his son who had been mugged by a group of Arabs and and by chance an Israeli patrol came to the rescue. The Israeli policeman was simply trying to get the Palestinians to back off and defend the wounded youngster. You see my point, the moment a photographer presses its shutter, the choice of cropping the pictures, building a story that fits that picture are all subjective decisions. Moreover, freedom of the press is not so great on the arab sides. All journalists report that whenever they shoot anything that may be detrimental to the Arab cause, they are most often threatened to surrender the film, if not much worse. Remember the dismembering of 2 Israeli reservists was shot by an HIDDEN Italian TV crew. The Palestinians are expert at staging a great TV show, sometimes waiting for the cameras to roll to start throwing stones. By the way, is using children as bullet shields and as victims/martyrs a laudable tactic? Another great media story was the killing of little Mohammed, age 4, in his father's arms in front of the camera. Well it turns out there has been an official inquiry including ballistic experts which proved that the boy had been killed by a Palestinian bullet. I doubt many of you have heard this follow up? It's not a good media story. At the same time a little Arab girl was killed by a bullet. It turns out that her father was a Palestinian policeman who accidentally killed her while cleaning his gun. This story was confirmed by the Palestinian side, but the media damage was done. So the bottom line is: the media makes stories with the images they've got. And since they're only free to shoot under Israeli rule, then they've got plenty of one kind of material only to build stories around. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situatuion, the killing by israeli's of Arab > children, women and men is appaling. As is the killing of Israelies. None of thids > evil can be excused. the constant quest for revenge is sickening on both sides. > the aftermath of the recent suicide bombing is purely wicked, just as the bombing > itself was. To then in reatilaition go and kill indiscriminately is just as evil. > As a result of all this childish and wicked beahviour, neither side has my > support. I think you all get what you desevre. You live by the sword, you die by > it. if they can't behave like civilised people, why should they expect the rest of > us to support them? I think you're missing the point. For Israel it's a matter of survival, period. Just look at a map of the area and you'll understand. The safety zone around major Israeli towns is ridiculously tiny. Remember, they're surrounded by over 100 million arabs. Also, I believe that the fact that there has been more or less 600 arab deads in nearly 1 year of rioting shows the incredible restraint that Israelis are using. Are you kidding, in most countries of the world the police thinks nothing of killing thousands in 1 day! on August 30, Slarty wrote: "both sides are fighting over issues from Biblical times" First, the Palestianians claim that this is their land, so the other side counters this claim. Second, you make a good point: the differences are irreconciliables for many future generations. Did you see the TV shows about Palestinian schools where small children are taught hate + martyrdom? to be continued... Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:11:01 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Middle East Continues, NJC Laurent Olszer wrote: > On August 30th, Azeem wrote: > > OK, the claim that Muslims pray with their backs to Jerusalem: the fact is > > that they face Mecca when they pray, there is no instruction to face AWAY > > from anywhere. And if they are in Aden, for example, they will be facing > > both Jerusalem and Mecca. The statement is untrue. > > Thumbs up for a terrific demonstration in geography Azeem. > I would never have thought anybody would nitpick on such a semantic glitch. > Actually the fact that there is such a "glitch" makes me believe the > original letter was written by a cultured layman, not by a semantic expert. > > > > > While I'm at it, the other statement that I immediately raised doubts > about > > the list's supposed impartiality was that the Koran does not mention > > Jerusalem once; while this is true, it is highly disingenuous in its > > inference. The Koran only mentions Mecca once, yet nobody would dispute > that > > Mecca is the holiest site in Islam. > > I have a letter written by an American Arab journalist, which I will retype > soon, which states that the Koran mentions Mecca hundreds of times and > Medina countless times. But I'm no expert on the Koran myself. > > "..........half-truths and misconceptions are told about the jewish > race........" > > As everybody knows, Judaism is a religion, not a race. > Neither Sartre nor Nietsche could define the jewish race, but I'm glad to > see you had more success. > > Also on August 30th, Colin wrote: > > > One of these posts about why Jews needed their own homeland, because of > being > > foreignors everywhere else and treated badly could equally have been > written about > > gay people because we too have been universally treated appallingly all > over the > > world at all times. It could also be said of people of colour but not so > > universally. > > Although the analogy is a little farfetched, And why is that? > > > > > I think you're missing the point. No I am not. > > For Israel it's a matter of survival, period. Just look at a map of the > area and you'll understand. > The safety zone around major Israeli towns is ridiculously tiny. > Remember, they're surrounded by over 100 million arabs. so this justifies killing? > > > > future generations. > Did you see the TV shows about Palestinian schools where small children are > taught hate + martyrdom? and Israelie's are not? Pull the other one! You can kid yourself as much as you like that israel is good and right and that the Palestinians are wicked and wrong. It makes you feel better. People aways have to rationlise their positons so they can live with their conscience. I think the whole situation is very very sad with niether side beign good or right. Right now here in the UK we have riots in Northern Irelan. CHILDREN are being harrassed trying to go to school. They are Ctaholic children and they walk thru a Protestent area to get to their school. This is a primary school so we are talking 5-11 year olds. This is just so sickening. > > > to be continued... > > Laurent - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:48:06 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Myths of the Middle East, NJC The following letter was written by Joseph Farah around October 2000, copyrighted 2000 WorldNetDaily.com A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's commentarie can be hear on TalkNetDaily. I've been quiet since Israel erupted in fighting spurred by disputes over the Temple Mount. Until now, I haven't even bothered to say, " see, I told you so. " But I can't resist any longer. I feel compelled to remind you of the column I wrote a couple weeks before the latest uprising. Yeah, folks, I predicted it. That' s OK . Hold your applause. After all, I wish I had been wrong. More than 80 people have been killed since the current fighting in and around Jerusalem began. And for what? If you believe what you read in most new sources, Palestinians want a homeland and Muslims want control over sites they consider holy. Simple, right ? Well as an Arab American journalist who has spent some time in the Middle East dodging more than my share of rocks and mortar shells, I' ve got to tell you, that these are just phony excuses for the rioting, trouble-making and land-grapping. Isn' t interesting that prior to the 1967 Arab-Israel war, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland ? " Well Farah ", you might say, " that was before the Israelis seized the West Bank and Old Jerusalem ". That's true, in the Six-Day War, Israel captured Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem. But they didn' t capture these territorries from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's King Hussein. I can' t help but wonder why all these Palestinians suddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war. The truth is that Palestine is no more real than Never-Never Land.The first time the name was use was in 70 A.D. when the Romans committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the temple and declared and declared the land of Israel would be no more. From then on, the Romans promised, it would be known as Palestine. The name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had even less staying power. Palestine has never existed - - before or since - - as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World war I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their homeland. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians ( another recent invention ) , Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one tenth of 1 percent of the landmass. But that 's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy. Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. What about Islam 's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem. Shocked? You should be. I don' t expect you will ever hear this brutal truth from anyone else in the international media. It' s just not politically correct. I know what you are going to say : " Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam' s third most holy sites . " Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundred of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never mentions Jerusalem. with good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem. So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam ? Muslims today cite a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled " The Night Journey ". It relates that in a dream or a vision Mohammed was carried by night " from the sacred temple to the temple that is most remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs..." In the seventh century, some Muslims identified the two temples mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam' s connection with Jerusalem gets - - myth, fantasy, wishful thinking. Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalem back to the days of Abraham. The latest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the Temple built by Solomon. It is the holiest site for Jews. Sharon and his entourage were met with stones and threats. I kno what it's like. I've been there. Can you imagine what it is like for Jews to be threatened, stoned and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism? So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don't think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is one, it needs to begin with truth. Pretending will only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5,000-year-old birthright backed by overwhelming historical and archealogical evidence equally with illegitimate claims, wishes and wants gives diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:44:20 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Videos Lots of people have been asking me about the Jonifest videos, and when they can order them. Rich, our wonderful videographer, has to to edit them down and get the Masters ready before I can take orders. But rest assurred, I will post to both the Labor Day mailing list and the regular list the minute I am ready to take orders. :-) Hugs, Ashara {who just sent her BABY off to JUNIOR HIGH SCHOOL!!!!!!! Fergodssakes, is there NO decency in this world? How the HELL did my he get that OLD???} WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 08:57:52 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: The Last Time I Saw Richard - very NJC Rev V, I feel honored that you feel safe enough with us to share the story of your loss this weekend. I'm so sorry- but what a wonderful lesson for us all to hear. Richard was a wise man and as I sit here today wondering what the day will bring, I think of his daily, haunting question, "what can I do for someone else today?". What a wonderful friend to have had and thank you for sharing a piece of his life with us. Terry << You are the people with whom I can share things for which I have no other community for sharing things of this nature. You are like my "community of real-world people" that I need. I needed to speak with you and explain my absence that the zen long ago had told me would keep me in this area now that the explanation had been revealed, and to say the things that I have no one here to say them to so that I can now cry myself and return to my daily life tomorrow. >> www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:26:17 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Morgantown I believe the word for "morning" in German (and possibly other languages) is "morgen." DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:45:17 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Re: JoniFest thank you!...long and gushing ;) Catherine McKay wrote: I didn't know Gregg had a CD - where can I get one? > From his website: http://www.greggcagno.com/ Enjoyed listening to his mp3's. Very mellow. If you like John Gorka, you'll love his voice. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 09:03:58 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Thoughts > Dear Vince: > > Throughout Sheila's illness...she taught me on so many occasions that it > is easier to be kind. That to be entrenched in anger...being > cavalier...thinking certain types of people are better than > others...being judgmental are all traits which prevent the "kind side" > from becoming the forefront of our lives. > > I struggle with this at times...because I falsely believe it is easier > to blow someone off than to respond to them...just as Richard's family > did to Richard. I also struggle with wanting to be angry with his > family for showing up at his funeral but not for his life...and know > that some people can not and will not deal with the realities of life. > For me, it is easier to be kind to his family judge them...it is easier > to be kind. > > Sheila told me long ago that funerals were for the living...to assuage > their guilt. Her ex-husband came to her memorial service as did a few > people who had betrayed her many years before. When I first saw them > arrive I felt angry...and when I saw her ex-husband...I could hear her > saying "What is that guy doing here?"...but I also heard her say to me > "Sharon, it is always easier to be kind". I was kind and welcoming and > I felt so much better. > > Bless you Vince. You are not a false prophet and I am honored to know > you choose your priorities upon principle. > > Peace and Love...Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:01:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: R.E.M. NJC Victor Johnson wrote: > > > My current favorite is "All the Way to Reno Which has a brand new meaning here in Florida. Jerry (ducking marcel) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:46:48 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: 3 New Releases The new Bjork is wonderful...definitley her most coheisive album to date. She has never sounded more lovely than on these songs...the music is perfection, it whirrs and plinks along like an alien band, and it all comes together very nicely. Go buy this record! It is a much happier record than her others, and a warmth filters through that it very nice. Laurie Anderson's "Life On A String" is also a keeper. Her voice gets better and better IMHO, and the sometimes overbearing irony that doesn't always work for LA is at a minimum. Very spare and intimate. Buy this one, too! Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Jonifest Top Ten (NJC) >> 3. There being more Dunkin Donuts per square mile >> than bars in Wisconsin. > LOL - you got that right! I'm sure there had to be > one every block! Just how many donuts CAN anyone > need? You must've noticed all the COPS around, didn't you??? ; ) Lori in DC ~ Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 07:58:22 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Jonifest/Greg Thanks for all the great words on Jonifest. I would have loved to have been there...sigh... Can't wait for the photos! What a great surprise that Greg Cagno showed up! I saw him at Folk Alliance in Cleveland last year, and liked him! My best to all you happy revelers.... - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:56:23 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Jonifest Top Ten (NJC) Hell- Thanks so much for this observation. I tend to identify more with lesbians (gee I wonder why!?!?!). That was alot of fun. I am just so dreadfully sorry that I didn't catch the "chapstick lesbian" comment live. I have been enjoying everyones memories of the fest. I am out of wack here in the office and it was worse at home (my winter home Ashara not HOME HOME). Paz Hell wrote: >Absolutely agree on that one. The improv. CSNY session in the TV room with >Marcel, Paz and Victor had to be seen (heard) to be believed - even though >Marcel and Paz were sitting on the Lesbian Sofa at the time..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 11:06:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers #21...the madness continues... While the 2001 Jonifest may be history, the JMDL "Covers" project is anything but! With a new month comes another announcement of more renditions of Joni's songs; the wonderful, the weird, the rare and all the rest. Here's what rests on this month's "edition": 1. John Otway - Woodstock: Why does Woodstock get the strangest treatments? This one was donated by the goofy Mr. Otway himself, and is a funny schizophrenic version. When he says "I don't know who I am"...he means it! 2. The Robert Miller Group - The Dry Cleaner From Des Moines: Very nice sultry slowed-down take, with vocals from Lisa Yves, who gave us a couple with her jazz kids a couple of CD's ago. 3. Green Lyte Sunday - Chelsea Morning: This is a rare and sought-after record. Green Lyte Sunday was most of The Cyrcle (Red Rubber Ball) + Susan Darby. Nice flute solo too...could it be Victor? :~) 4. Charlie Starr - For Free: A slowed-down country-rock sorta version, this one sounds a lot like the Crosby-Nash version. 5. Jimmie Rodgers - Both Sides Now: I've always been a sucker for Jimmie Rodgers, with his big hits like "Honeycomb" and "Kisses Sweeter Than Wine". 6. Harry Belafonte - The Circle Game: While I was digging Jimmie, my MOM loved Harry. I bet if I heard his classic "Carnegie Hall" LP once, I heard it a million times. And that's cool, because his soft vocals always rest easy on the ear. Day-O!! Day-ay-ay-O! 7. Bridget St. John - Night In The City: I don't know much about her, this sounds like an early folk version, with an interesting rythym to it. 8. Hot Hits 3 - Woodstock: Not much to say about this one, they're one of those ripoff bands that just tried as hard as they could to sound like Matthews Southern Comfort. 9. The Don Costa Concept - Both Sides Now: What's the concept anyway? To bore me to tears? :~) 10. Noel Harrison - Nathan La Franeer: Here's a unique one...the ONLY cover of "Nathan" that I'm aware of, this one's a very sweet-sounding cover sung by Noel in a nice Brit accent. 11. Seanachie - Urge For Going: This one's also hard to find, and is a real knockout! A very genuine celtic band, with Annie Ross on bagpipes. This one's definitely a keeper...(and the pronounciation is "Shawn-a-key", not "C-natchie"! 12. Des & Dawn - The Circle Game: South Africa's answer to Ian & Sylvia, they pretty much patterned their version of CG after Ian & Sylvia's. 13. Heaven's Gate - This Flight Tonight: STAR BRIGHT!! These speed-metal boys do some viscious head-banging on this "heavy metal" classic. 14. Prince - A Case Of You: Prince's infatuation with Joni is no secret. He's done ACOY live a couple of times, here's a nice version from his '83 tour. Unfortunately, he doesn't do the entire song from start to finish, but this "excerpt" is pretty good! 15. Michael Chapdelaine - Both Sides Now: A very pretty acoustic version, this one makes me feel like a "Sunday-morning-cup-of-coffee" kinda feeling. Nice. 16. Lydia van Dam - Be Cool: Now that John van Tiel played HIS Lydia song for me, I've definitely seen Lydia from both sides now! Like all the other songs on her tribute CD, this version smokes. Just Lydia's great jazz vocal & an upright bass. 17. Terry Roberts - Got The Urge For Going: Terry is/was a Canadian country singer, his version of UFG is almost carbon-copy of George Hamilton IV's. But I love this song anyway, so I like it. 18. Foggy Dew-O - Born To Take The Highway: This one's a LOT of fun, because it's the only FORMAL recording of this song I know of. Seems that the Foggy Dew-O were given a demo tape that a record producer had, and told to pick some songs to do. They did this one as well as... 19. Foggy Dew-O - Both Sides Now: How could they resist? I just wish I had that demo tape! :~) 20. Karen Oberlin - Barangrill: Ending this volume with an excellent song from Karen's 2000 release titled "My Standards". Great stuff, glad to see this underappreciated song get brought back to the forefront. So that's it for #21...I guess now that we've reached 21, the project is old enough to drink & vote! As always, I couldn't have done it without helpers, so thanks to: John Otway Philip in Ireland Ron Greer Monica Jeff Hankins Stephen Elliott Coming up next...the contest madness continues... Bob NP: Karen Oberlin, "Barangrill" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:02:57 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: The Last Time I Saw Richard - Very NJC Vince- I am SO very sorry for your loss and thank you for sharing it with us. It is OUR loss too, for once again you could not be there with us to enjoy each others company and music. What a beautiful and tragic story at the same time! I hope your heart mends soon and be comforted to know that your "friends of Spirit" are with you. Love Paz Rev Vince wrote: >This year I never gave the prospect of going to JoniFest a second >thought, I wasn't going. Before you react in horror, please know that I >have been a Christian long enough to believe in the zen of everything >and I just knew beyond doubt that I was not to go to Topsfield this >year, I just had to await the reason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:31:22 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: From sleep deprived, giggling jonifesters to infants and toddlers(njc) I'm off to play two hours of music for 2-4 year olds w/ their parents at Georgia Pacific in Atlanta. I'm still not functioning 100% and have been scrambling around madly, printing out lyrics, looking for misplaced various things...oh to be sitting on Ashara's back porch, drinking a martini and strumming along to any Joni song. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:32:36 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Top Ten (NJC) Hell wrote: >The improv. CSNY session in the TV room with Marcel, Paz and Victor had to be seen >(heard) to be believed - even though Marcel and Paz were sitting on the Lesbian Sofa at >the time..... What?? A lesbian sofa? Is this a seating area created especially *for* lesbians? Or is this some new kinky plug-that-baby-in-and-watch-'er-go delight that Ashara has purchased just for our pleasure? And I thought there was to be no fraternization of that sort at the Fest.... Dang, I hate I missed it! Cindy P.S. - Ashara, please provide me with the style number and manufacturer of said sofa as soon as possible. P.P.S. - Lama, did you get photos?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 10:56:57 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Vick,Paz, and Ashara Dear Vick and Paz: I ws the one who identified the sofa as a lesbian sofa because it was simply loaded with beautiful lesbians. There were a few lesbian wannabes who participated in the mini lesbian fest..along with Pippin who is a real example of what to be as an older lesbian...she is such a slut for affection...and the lesbian cat...the lipstick lesbian (in drag). Certain lesbians who shall go un-named but they know who they are then began giggling and could not stop as very sentimental songs were sung. They had to leave the room. And of course...Gregg is so cute that some of us lesbians could switch. :) Paz...I always knew you were a lesbian...you sing like a lesbian..well..certain lesbians. As Kerry said...some of us did not get the k.d. lang or Melissa Etheridge gene. But you got it honey..you got it. I was soooo glad I won the winning number to peel shrimp. And Michael...thank you for all the work you did up front and behind the scenes. Ashara ...you are a woman of quality and I am proud to know you. Thank you for opening up your home and your heart to your old friends and your new friends. And Mr. Sal is toooo wonderful...what a man he is. I continue to be steeped in memories...thank all of you for a wonderful Fest. Peace......Sharon cvickery@danielrealty.com wrote: > > Hell wrote: > >The improv. CSNY session in the TV room with Marcel, Paz and > Victor had to be seen >(heard) to be believed - even though > Marcel and Paz were sitting on the Lesbian Sofa at >the time..... > > What?? A lesbian sofa? Is this a seating area created > especially *for* lesbians? Or heart 'a pounding here!!> is this some new kinky > plug-that-baby-in-and-watch-'er-go delight that Ashara has > purchased just for our pleasure? And I thought there was to be > no fraternization of that sort at the Fest.... > Dang, I hate I missed it! > > Cindy > > P.S. - Ashara, please provide me with the style number and > manufacturer of said sofa as soon as possible. > > P.P.S. - Lama, did you get photos?? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 09:27:48 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Myths of the Middle East/Koran (& other texts) online NJC Laurent: I assure you that I have no interest in hopping on one side or another of this debate. However, I must say that I think it is ill-advised to quote someone like Joseph Farah to prove any point. Do you know about his journalistic history? Bias doesn't even begin to describe it. If you want to know how many times Mecca and Medina appear in the Koran, check out this site: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/ A simple search for the word Mecca returns two matches and the word Medina returns three matches. Your man Farah here is just using more of his usual hyperbolic histrionics, not citing fact. While I personally find this whole debate sometimes fascinating and sometimes dull it would be nice to see an unbiased view from either side. Best, Brenda For those interested, U of Mich's Humanities Text Initiative is a great project and a great digital resource for writers. The searchable American Verse Collection is superb. http://www.hti.umich.edu/ n.p. - U.S. Open (Did anyone see Serena & Lindsay last night? WOW!) On 5 Sep 2001, at 13:48, Laurent Olszer wrote: > The following letter was written by Joseph Farah around October 2000, > copyrighted 2000 WorldNetDaily.com > A daily radio broadcast adaptation of Joseph Farah's commentarie can be hear > on TalkNetDaily. > > Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It > mentions Mecca hundred of times. It mentions Medina countless times. It never > mentions Jerusalem. with good reason. There is no historical evidence to > suggest Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:44:58 -0400 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) I have the videos up on line from Monday (was it?) where I had the camera set up in the porch. They're all here:- http://www.secure-si.co.uk/jonifest2001/ Be warned: they're quite large and bandwidth intensive. Have fun, - --Chris (still coming to terms with gaining so many friends, then saying goodbye) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 12:48:53 -0400 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: From sleep deprived, giggling jonifesters to infants and toddlers(njc) Victor wrote:- > Subject: From sleep deprived, giggling jonifesters to infants and toddlers And the difference is...? :-) - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:09:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) <<--Chris (still coming to terms with gaining so many friends, then saying goodbye)>> Like I told you when I left, you were one of the brightest stars of this fest for me, along with Mr. Ross. Both of you are so sincerely kind and talented. I'll always remember watching you play the bass parts to "Coyote" & "DJRD" in Ashara's music room on Monday in amazement, like Jaco's spirit was in the room. And your fine tech work, like the webcam thingies (Alison forced me to record my clip), and recording the coveted "Ganja Demos" which we soon found out were probably better left as a memory! :~D I appreciate the effort you made to make this fest so memorable for me. Saying goodbye was tough. Bob NP: Elvis Costello/Steve Nieve, "Long Honeymoon" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 10:27:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: my favorite things My three favorite things about jonifest 2001, in no particular order: The People, The Music, The Food. That about covers it. (((((cyberhugs))))) PS Vince thanks for sharing with us your Zen intuition that kept you where you were supposed to be. I hope you will be able to join in the festivities next year! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 13:52:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Win Your Free copy of #21! As always, I've got a freebie Covers #21 CD to give away. Patrick Leader was last month's winner, and it was my distinct pleasure to deliver it in person at Ashara's! The contest is a simple one, for those of you who are new...just give me a song on a Joni record, and the title of the record (since some songs appear on more than one). Whoever guesses the closest wins...simple! And the contest is open to all, I'm happy to ship anywhere. Just be sure and guess by midnight Saturday, and please send your guess to me privately and not to the list. Thanks for playing! Bob NP: Joni, "Wizard of Is" (lovin' it!!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 13:22:27 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Jonifest Top Ten Kerry, i thought of you and laughed out loud when i got to Logan and the first thing is saw was Dunkin Donuts. So i just took a right at the Petco and kept on going! Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of kerry Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2001 9:04 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Jonifest Top Ten Top ten things I wasn't prepared to experience at Jonifest: 1. The fact that it actually is possible to exist on bad motel coffee, vodka, and no sleep for quite an extended period of time. 2. Massachusetts being a parallel universe in which I could not read a map, but a person from New Zealand could. 3. There being more Dunkin Donuts per square mile than bars in Wisconsin. 4. Uncontrollable laughing fits. 5. The ENORMOUS number of talented musicians who mesmerized me, one by one... 6. Ashara's cat being offended after she was called a "chapstick lesbian." 7. The generosity of everyone's spirit. 8. Coming home with a backpack full of CD's, and other wonderful stuff. (Including honey that no one gave Sharon's bees credit for.) 9. Kiwi hugs. 10. The post fest blues..... Will write more when I catch up on sleep (probably sometime in November) Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:30:18 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: The last time I saw Richard Dear Vince, There's no need to debate your posting. It is at times like these that the JMDL shines. Those who attended Jonifest are recharged and renewed to help you get through this terrible time of mourning. It all works together. We are here for you. We are your family as well. Sherelle In a message dated 09/05/2001 12:05:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > I debated posting this - self indulgent on my part, a downer in the > midst of your high? - but I hadn't been able to explain my blasi "I'm > not going" because the zen hadn't unfolded that reason, which i know > have. > > Richard and I had spoken 8 days before his death - he knew it was a > matter of a very few days, his body was worn out. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 11:43:48 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: FW: JoniFesti From Jeff....(my editorial comments: WOW ya'll...THANK YOU...you've converted him...something that even Joni herself was not able to do so thoroughly... ) Hi Everyone, The whole thing was a trip  in every sense. I thoroughly enjoyed myself from the moment we pulled up to Asharas house and heard the music wafting out of every screen covered opening, until the very last wee-hour moments around the candle in the den. I cut my teeth on Dylan and his ilk  Joni was peripheral in my cosmos (although I like River a lot) - but after this weekend, Im certainly a fan of her fans. I didnt get a chance to talk to enough of you, or enough to any of you, but if Kate lets me come next time I hope to do better. Thanks to all who let me blow some harp with their music, like I gave you a choice. Good people, good food, good music  lots of each  how cool is that? I cant remember 4 days better spent out of bed. Thanks and love to you all. Jeff BischDesign, Inc. phone 805.683.4644 fax 805.683.0654 http://www.bischdesign.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 14:44:15 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: [Jonifest2001] JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) I wasn't able to open it. db - -----Original Message----- From: Chris Marshall [mailto:chris@secure-si.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:45 AM To: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com; joni@smoe.org Subject: [Jonifest2001] JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) I have the videos up on line from Monday (was it?) where I had the camera set up in the porch. They're all here:- http://www.secure-si.co.uk/jonifest2001/ Be warned: they're quite large and bandwidth intensive. Have fun, - --Chris (still coming to terms with gaining so many friends, then saying goodbye) - ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ---------------------~--> FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/47cccB/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/JPJolB/TM - ---------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Jonifest2001-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2001 14:54:15 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: [Jonifest2001] JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) I could not open it either...I wrote to Chris and told him. "Donna J. Binkley" wrote: > > I wasn't able to open it. db > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Marshall [mailto:chris@secure-si.co.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 11:45 AM > To: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: [Jonifest2001] JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) > > I have the videos up on line from Monday (was it?) where I had > the camera set up in the porch. > > They're all here:- > > http://www.secure-si.co.uk/jonifest2001/ > > Be warned: they're quite large and bandwidth intensive. > > Have fun, > > --Chris (still coming to terms with gaining so many friends, then > saying goodbye) > > ------------------------ Yahoo! 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Thanks very much everyone!!! Chris, these video peeks are a great idea! I haven't been able to view one yet, though. I downloaded the smallest file and when I tried to look at it in RealPlayer on my Mac just got a message I needed to download something else from RealPlayer, which I did, but then kept getting that same message. Very peculiar. I don't know if it's something that needs fixing on my end since RealPlayer has worked ok before (but not always) or if it's something to do with that particular file. I'm intrigued by the titles you've given the "segments", so I hope they're seeable soon. Has anyone else been able to view them? Debra Shea Chris Marshall wrote: > > I have the videos up on line from Monday (was it?) where I had > the camera set up in the porch. > > They're all here:- > > http://www.secure-si.co.uk/jonifest2001/ > > Be warned: they're quite large and bandwidth intensive. > > Have fun, > > --Chris (still coming to terms with gaining so many friends, then > saying goodbye) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 16:45:56 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: JoniFest2001 videos (NJC) In a message dated 9/5/01 4:43:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > Has anyone else been able to view them? > > I've been able to view them on my PC, but the download is slow. It took me about 10 minutes on the smallest of files and I have a cable modem. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:44:17 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Fw: - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Du Shane" To: "Dolphie Bush" ; "lee" ; "Don McAnally" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 1:58 PM > This is a real virus alert. A friend of mine who is > the Technology Coordinator for the Burkburnett ISD and > who works with Region IX sent a message regarding two > very very bad viruses that are out and spreading. Do > NOT OPEN any message whose subject is A VIRTUAL CARD > FOR YOU or something about VIRTUAL FLOWERS for you. > If you open them, the computer will lock up. When you > hot-boot (Ctrl, Alt, Delete) it destroys sectors in > the hard-drive and sends the virus on to anyone in > your e-mail address book. Please be careful. > Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger > http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2001 15:39:16 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Bittersweet JoniFest (NJC) Hello All- I am once again overwhelmed with all kinds of emotions right now. This years fest was such a bittersweet event for me and I doubt that I will be able to totally express why in this venue (mostly because I am no great writer and then because I haven't allowed all of them to play out as of yet), but I am inclined to get some of this out as soon as possible in the hope that I can move on towards the next BIG event. It was so sweet to be able to once again celebrate my anniversaries with so many people that I have met over the last four years of attending Ashara's dream/nightmare. There always seems to be so little time to be able to connect with everyone and quite frequently you connect harder with some than others and that is always a source of the bitter part for me. In past years I have been able to spend a lot of time playing music and this year it seemed like I didn't play as much (for peeling, marinating, and helping with soup duty) I AM NOT BRINGING THOSE DAMN THINGS EVER AGAIN!!! (even though Saint Sal is such a god in taking over the cooking duties) I did spend a lot more time just sitting and listening for a change and it was truly amazing. It is really hard for me to do that, as a lot of you know, I love nothing more than singing and playing with friends and I wear being called a jukebox proudly. There were SO many more musicians this time and it was such a treat to get to hear all of you play. As the Divine Ms. Mixon said the collaboration part was extemely fulfilling and a joy to be a part of and also to watch. One thing I did notice on Saturday is that how many of us were leaving the fest to go outside or in other rooms to rehearse while our brothers and sisters who came rehearsed were doing their thing on stage to a half empty room. I heard a couple of comments about this and really understand how they feel. This made me remember something my mom use to tell me, "you know it doesn't matter if you are playing to thousands of people or just a few, you still give it everything you got". I think so many of you did exactly that and I was moved to tears so many times by your music. This does bring to mind though that we should have a week of rehearsals before the fest begins, that way, the day of the show we can all just enjoy the performances. YEAH that's it!!!! Ash, why does it have to be only 3 days huh huh huh????? Speaking of music the whole Atty May's thing got out of control. I think we have out grown Atty May's as a musical venue. I had a long talk with May about it and I think we have done it for the last time there. It broke my heart that it collapsed the way it did. So many people were suppose to play there and did not get to. The band from here was fantastic and I wish I would have planned on having them just close the evening out from about 9pm on instead of the way we did it, but hindsight... Anyways, I do love the Plum Island retreat still on Sunday, but maybe just for a out to eat sort of thing as a group and then back to Ashara's for more music or maybe a house on the beach. I too loved the quiet jam in the living room on Sunday night late and the Ganja Line was a riot. This year there were so many new faces and so many new musicians and I was struck by all of you. Stephanie I really enjoyed singing The Arrangement with you at Ashara's piano. Yael oh my Gawd woman, you really touched me big time (and I don't mean when we were out back in the bushes lol). It was really a lot of fun playing music with you and hanging out. Don't Dream is so cool. Kate Bennett and Jeff Bisch Bisch Bisch, you guys are totally amazing. I would like to have you two all to myself for a while here in Louisiana so we can write and play and maybe do your next record here Kate. Chris Marshall it was so awesome to finally meet you and Marian Russell was SO right about you. I would also like you to just move to the US and be my bass player forever. Bob Muller thank you so much for being my son, that was a lot of fun to do that with you and you did a great job on Kingpin. I am so happy I signed you to my record label early and made you start performing at these things (just remember my 30% dude). Leslie Mixon I was so honoured for you to ask me to play Way Over Yonder with you (and while I know I kinda choked a bit on it, I had a wonderful time doing it as I am sure it was evident by the "look on my face". Thanks so much to Nikki for asking me to do The Weight. You did a great job and it was so good to see you up on the stage performing with everyone (sorry you were under the weather and not up to Nikki par, but you still managed to make the fest and hang in there till the wee hours regardless). Kay Ashley you kicked my ass girl. I know we partied together somewhere in another life somewhere. I hope you and I can do something together next year (you know something totally off the wall like a Police/Jethro Tull/Yes set!). Greg Cagno the surprise hit of the century!!! What an inspiration you are! I totally enjoyed your company and listening to your music as well as the covers you did. Claudia and Amy both made me cry during your renditions of Case of You and Circle Game. I wish you a lot of success and if I can be of any assistance in helping you record your next record, I would be happy and honoured to do so. LES IRVIN it was so good to see you finally playing on stage and a lot more. Dude you rock and thanks so much again for starting this list and for maintaining it with that wonderful grin of yours. Kakki, ohmygawd, what can I say, other than you are my oldest and dearest friend on the list and since we bonded on our first Hejira to Topsfield four years ago, we have had some incredible times together. It was great to share Plum Island with you this year as it was our discovery. I hope you enjoyed your extended stay and only wish I coulda hung out with you and May for more time to decompress together. John Van Tiel your generosity is incredible and your friendship I continue to hold close to my heart. I am so happy for you and the news you shared with me (not sure if it is public knowledge yet so I will refrain from further gushing). Claudia as usual your set killed me and love seeing your smiling face enjoying the music so much. Thank you for jumping up and singing Elsewhere with me. Chuck it was so good to see you as well and like Kakki go so far back to the old days four years ago with me. I managed to catch you doing a dulcimer demo in one of the back rooms and it was great as usual. Maggie the food this year was so good. Thanks so much for helping me (what am I saying you did MOST of the work) with the soup. I forgot to cook the damn spiders that we spent so much time separating from the rest of the shrimp heads. I had a little to much hair of the dawg (not you Pippin) on Friday and got side tracked. The soup was wonderful Maggie and thank you for all your other hard work to feed all those hungry faces. This is getting some damn wordy and breathy and stuff, phew!!! I have not even begun to crack the surface of what I planned to comment on, but find it necessary to close for now and take this up later. Before I do, I would like to thank my wicked stepsister Ashara (you know she's a witch, she lives right up smack dab in the middle of all that witchy stuff, and Petco's and Dunkin Donuts, but I digress) for all that you do. I don't know if people truly realize the risk you put yourself in opening your doors to the world the way you do or the way you allow people to cook flesh in a kitchen that normally would not allow the cooking of hundreds of tiny defenseless shrimp (not to mention leaving their tiny little legs in a bowl of marinade in your fridge). It was so good to be with you and Sal again and thanks so much for everything including helping me do my "spicy" laundry. I AM retiring from the whole shrimp thing though, if ya'll wanna eat my shrimp you'll just have to come on my own turf to get it. I hope you are recovering well and we didn't make too much of a mess of your house. My love to all of you and thanks for your friendship and positive energy. I will try to finish my thoughts tonight so I can move on and get out of this sensory deprived state (withdrawal like) that I find myself in at the moment. To be continued, Paz NP-Michael From Mountains-Joni Sept. 1967 (Thanks Ashara what a lovely gift and so thoughtful) ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #382 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?