From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #370 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 370 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: John Kelly [long] [dsk ] Today in Joni History: August 28 [les@jmdl.com] RE: John Kelly [long] ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: The Sound Of Music NJC [colin ] Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) [colin ] Re: sound of music NJC [colin ] jonifest njc [colin ] Joni content ["marianne marianne" ] [none] ["marianne marianne" ] Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc (njc) ["kerry" [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: In Praise of TI [Mags ] Re: Joni content [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] NJC Sound of Music & Shrek [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: sound of music NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [Catherine McKay ] tell the world of your hero ["shane mattison" ] (NJC)Re: Rickie Lee Jones' decline [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:22:24 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: John Kelly [long] BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > God, I'd almost forgotten about John Kelly -- I saw him here in SF in 93(?). > Glad to hear he's still doing his Early Joni shtick. He promised way back > then he'd eventually start work on the next segment of JM's work. I assume > that's what "Shiny Hot Nights" is? Yes, it's his next Joni show. He mentioned that he was working on it and tried out "For the Roses" with the forewarning that he hadn't performed it yet in front of an audience. It was very tentatively done and a couple times he asked for help from the audience on the lyrics, and completely left out the "guess I seem ungrateful" verse. He seemed relieved when he finally finished the song; it was sweet and very special to be allowed into his creative process. He did mention that he'll be using a VG-8, calling it a "VG-8 thing" and briefly explaining it means pushing a button rather than having guitars all over the stage. Very cool, Michael Paz, that you're helping him with it. The new show will be at Fez in NYC for five Saturday nights starting in mid-October. I wonder if Joni will again celebrate her birthday there. It is that time of year. I imagine that John's Paved Paradise helped to get Joni interested in performing again. There's an article on jmdl.com in which she talks about seeing his performance in 1996(?) and watching people react to her music. I got the impression that for the first time she could experience her music as her audience does, and appreciate it instead of taking it all for granted. After that she started doing individual shows, and then a tour, and all of a sudden she was visible again. I don't think his show was the only influence; her improved health and getting the VG-8 added to her being able to tour, but I was struck when reading the article that it seemed she experienced her music anew by watching his show and was inspired by that. So, thank you, John. Paved Paradise was much more of a performance piece than I expected, rather than just mimicking Joni, although there was plenty of that, as in hearing the words about "...the more out of tune voices the better" said with Joni's Canadian accent, and then everyone joined in singing the Circle Game. I was surprised at how emotional that made me, even teary-eyed, to be among so many other Joni fans. It was a brief "oh my, how time has flown" reaction too. Not only is that what the song is all about, but I was also in my old neighborhood and from the garden could almost look into the back window of my first apartment in NYC, a "cold-water flat" with the bathtub in the kitchen and $120 a month rent. I got a lot of painting done there. Back then, almost 20 years ago, there were lots of burned out and abandoned buildings, and heavy drugs being bought and sold and even used right on the streets, and the little safe-feeling garden we were all sitting in didn't exist. It feels like it was yesterday. Anyway, John Kelly went into and out of the Joni persona, which I found very interesting, and also used some goofy props like a twirling chicken and a huge sunflower-covered hat. I also liked hearing "Joni" talk about capturing love and holding onto it for a while and then it flies away. I'd never heard that story before. It was very touching. So it was an enjoyable, and complex, evening for me. I'm looking forward to seeing Shiny Hot Nights in October. In the opening scenes of the tv show "NYPD Blue" there's a brief shot of a huge wooden sculpture and I always wondered where that was. It's in that garden so that was a wonderful surprise, being able to see that close up, even though it was in the dark. Looking up toward the top of it I looked even higher and saw that the stars were visible, which is rare here. Then I got into a conversation about the stars with someone nearby holding his baby, and he pointed out Mars and an unusually bright star he said he can usually see, and then I walked over to 5th Street to see if my old building was still there. And it was, cleaned up and changed a bit but still recognizable. I'm glad I could recognize it but also glad I don't live there anymore. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:27:22 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 28 On August 28 in Joni Mitchell History: 1969: Joni is the opening act for Crosby, Stills, and Nash at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. This is the fourth night of seven straight. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690826lat.cfm 1974: Joni performs in New York City 1986: From Wally's Bio Page: "Joni joined other musicians such as Neil Young and Warren Zevon in a "Get Tough On Toxics" concert at Long Beach Arena. The show was a benefit for two propositions on the ballot that fall: Prop 65, which was an anti-toxic waste initiative, and Prop U, which was an attempt to control building development in the city of L.A. Joni played with a full band and performed a half dozen songs including "Cool Water," and a still wordless version of "Lakota." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Experimental.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 04:47:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: John Kelly [long] debra, what a great post!!!! how i miss new york. will i ever see it again? what am i talking about!? i'll be landing there in three days. [but i'm not staying... boo hoo] i wish i could see john kelly one day. wallyK.. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de dsk Enviado el: Martes, 28 de Agosto de 2001 04:22 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: John Kelly [long] Yes, it's his next Joni show. He mentioned that he was working on it and tried out "For the Roses" with the forewarning that he hadn't performed it yet in front of an audience. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:11:32 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music NJC > what i have found out is that grownups can learn lots from children. yes children still know how to be themselves, be spontaneous, have fun and be honest. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:13:33 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) Yes is aw the news. Didn't know her. A tragedy like this affects many people. Such pain is diffiuclt and we can only hope that those concerned are able to work and grow thru it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:19:30 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: sound of music NJC Although not my cup of tea, I could see how attractive Plummer was in the film. Julie's voice is so pure. Yes it was corny in parts. Eleonor Parker was good in parts too. At first one thinks she is a selfish bitch but then she truly comes up trumps in her parting scene. To me the whole film is about how the world can change just like that. How people can compromise themsleves and bring about hell on earth. Although I am aware the movie appears to be about this love affair, it is the cloud of evil coming down that strikes me the most. This contamination of innocence. Makes me shudder. the world has changed so much and will continue to do so. people will always compromise themselves and give evil a home whilst prentending otherwise. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:23:33 +0100 From: colin Subject: jonifest njc when does it start? - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:27:16 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: Joni content Hello to all the beautiful and great people on the JMDL. Hi Sharon (raffle recruiter for Joni fest) and Ashara and everyone else who is going to the Joni fest or wants to go. I would like to support the jonifest and buy some raffle tickets. Please tell me where to send the check. I'll take $20 worth. Thank you to Big Walt in SF because before I read your post I had no idea where the alleged penis on the Hejira album was. (in her pocket) I have not read every single jonipost (I still hope to get to it) so you'll have to excuse me when I ask. . .Will some one please tell me what "siquomb" means? Ashara, the Wild Things Run Fast poster story is a good one. I am glad you got the poster!!! I have a request, if anyone is up to it. . . I was discussing with Shane how two words, when put together sound so interesting and inspiring. When a word stands alone they have their own merit, yet when another word sits beside it. . .a special constellation of sorts is created. . . Shane gave me the example of "Sea Cowboy" . . .which I like. Joni has numerous "word constellations" (how do you like that. . I just made that up?). How about sharing which of Joni's word constellations you like? Thanks to everyone who responds. Stardust, Golden, Marianne Rizzo Upstate New York Rochester _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:44:55 -0400 From: "marianne marianne" Subject: [none] Hi again, I just did my homework (I read yesterday's list)and found out what "siquomb" means. . . so you can omit my last request for the explanation. In reading the list I found my first example of a favorite Joni word constellation: aging children Marianne from Rochester _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 07:25:42 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc (njc) >>Close! It was Mary Chapin Carpenter. >>(Walt: Oops, is my face red. I'm a fan of Shawn C's, but have heard of Mary >>Cahpin Carpernter, and shouldn't've brain-farted on the name. Isn't there >>also an artist with a name like Beth Nielsen Chapman, or am i totally insane?) Beth Nielsen... Chapman... Mary... Chapin.... Karen... Carpenter....it's all so confusing....:>) Yes, there is a singer named Beth Nielsen Chapman. I have 2 of her CD's and they're very nice. She wrote a song about her husband passing away, called "Sand and Water," that makes me cry every time..... Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:28:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> <> Deb correctly identified this as the Gene Autry show, Walt. It's been treed within this group and is available on tape and CD. <> Deb gave you the tracklisting, as to when and IF it'll be released, nobody seems to know. Reprise eats worms. It's a crying shame that Joni's been so underrepresented in this department IN THE U.S. We've already seen tribute CD's from Canada, Sweden, & Holland, but not the U.S. Praise be to David Lahm for his EXCELLENT "Jazz Takes on Joni Mitchell" which I don't classify as tributes but rather re-casting Joni's songs in a jazz setting. Very nice, especially the newer one, "More Jazz Takes on JM". This should be in everyone's collection, it gets better with every listen! <> Since you added the bit about her dancing, it's obvious that it's "Painting With Words & Music". This was filmed in LA and was attended by several JMDLer's. Some great stories to be sure! <> The latest that I've heard is that it'll be a collection of her previous songs recast in an orchestral setting. Given the songs performed on her 2000 tour, these would include "Judgement Of The Moon & Stars", "Be Cool", "For The Roses", "Hejira"...I'd love to see her abandon this project and head in a different direction, but that's just my selfish opinion. Bob NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Empty Arms" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:42:48 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: In Praise of TI my southern bro Bob wrote: "<> and also: <<"The Sire of Sorrows" is a masterpiece in the same way "Paprika Plains" & "Judgement of the Moon & Stars" are, in my mind anyway. Such an epic lyrical sweep as she details the classic story of suffering without sin. Joni's probably (make that definitely) the only writer who could have composed this.>> all of which inspired me to say: Bob, as always, you did a fine job of reviewing Turbulent Indigo. I love this CD so much...it is dark , yes, however that never bothered me either. I guess Ive always been attracted to the darker, deeper songs of hers anyway. There is comfort in melancholy after all! I can certainly understand how this CD brings on the tears, in fact, just reading that you broke into tears over the lyrics about Peg Oconnell made me cry. I relate so much to this CD because of my own personal journey out of the pit of male violence. I swear that Joni's words and music helped me on so many occasions as I crawled back to safety. She is the essential element of my survival kit. I dont have the CD on right now nor do I have the lyrics in front of me so please bear with my rambling.. I know I *should* do a better job of it however, on the fly, here are some thoughts... so many of her words on this album, for example "Let Me Speak" in Sire of Sorrow are to me a "sit up , shut up and take notice" moment. A Tawanda moment .... many of which I find in this CD. Throughout much of Turbulent Indigo, I feel that Joni is mad and not hiding it ... she cuts to the quick with her vivid words and images. I feel that she is pissed , so pissed she's wielding a gun and aiming at street lights....god that whole thing is so powerful to me. A venue for her anger. A dammit Im not doing this anymore moment. An expression of rage and bitterness and just fed up with the bullshit of being a silenced woman, stuffed in a hole indeed. just some thoughts on a sunny tuesday. Mags npimh: one more night!!!!!!! yipppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 08:59:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni content <> Oh lordy, Marianne, we could fill a book. The one that immediately comes to mind is "Passport Smiles" (People's Parties) because it creates just the specific image she intends. Great idea for a thread! And a big welcome to you assuming you're new. Bob NP(Now Playing): Stevie Ray Vaughan, "Life By The Drop" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:57:30 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Sound of Music & Shrek Re: The Sound of Music...wow, THREE Rodgers threads in a month, maybe I should get my Dad to sign up! On second thought, one Bob Muller is plenty for ANY group. ;~) Re: Shrek...Paul I had recommended this to me a while back, Vince's recent post hurled me off the fence & in the theater where I laughed my ass off! It was really great and so rare for me to laugh so loud and so often. And the fact that it started & ended with Smashmouth songs made it all the better! Thanks for the tips, fellas! Bob NP: Suzanne Vega, "Book Of Dreams" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:16:12 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - NJC In a message dated 27/08/01 20:33:15 GMT Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << << I'm Jewish and support the state of Israel, but to declare that this list of facts, even assuming they are all facts, is not slanted is preposterous. >> To assume that one can discuss the Middle East and not slant one way or the other is preposterous. Thanks for the hot tip. >> No it isn't, Marcel. Whatever you personally believe, and regardless of what you think of people who may be able to see both sides of an argument (my hunch is that you don't have much time for them, although you may disagree), your statement is simply false. You CAN discuss the Middle East and not slant one way or the other. Quite a few people who live in Israel, both Jewish and Muslim, do just that. They may not be in the majority, but they are there, trying to make a difference, just as there are people in Northern Ireland who straddle the religious divide and try to broker understanding and peace. I agree with Pau, Laurentl. This list of "facts" is extremely slanted, and to pretend otherwise is not a tenable position. I promise you that another list might give 15 "facts" which are diametrically opposed to these, and its compiler would swear blind that this was a totally disinterested list of facts. Azeem in London NP: Bjork - All Is Full Of Love (I know, seems unlikely, but that is honestly what is playing as I type this!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:46:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) - --- RobSher50@aol.com wrote: > I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with the R&B > singer/songwriter Aliyah, but > I think anyone would be saddened by the turn of > events that happened with her > plane crash this past Saturday. > That was one of the first things I saw in the paper Sunday morning when I woke up. How shocking and tragic. My daughter, who is 14, was quite upset by it. My heart goes out to Aliyah's family - as a mother, I always think how horrible it must be to lose a child, because it's not supposed to happen like that, is it? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:54:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: sound of music NJC - --- bbBear wrote: > i have literally seen this movie 100s of times. i > still remember seeing > it as a toddler in the movie theatre a couple of > times when it first > came out, and to this day, watch it at least 5x a > year (i've already > reached my quota - i got the DVD just a few weeks > before i went to paris > and watched it dubbed in french a few times to try > to get my vocabulary > back). You sound like someone who would really enjoy singalong "Sound of music". They show the film in a theatre and there's a "nun" who directs the crowd, who come dressed in all sorts of costumes and sing along with the movie. Kind of like "Rocky Horror". They had it here in Toronto a little while ago. Not exactly my cuppa tea - I don't see the point of dressing up as a nun (when I was a kid, I was *terrified* that I might end up being one, as if they force you or something, but i had a great-aunt and some kind of 2nd cousin twice removed who were nuns and they were always teasing me that I was going to be one of them - it scared me to death!), or a brown paper package tied up in string, and singing along with a bunch of other people dressed up as well, but some people enjoy that kind of thing - a couple of people from my office went and had a great time. Maybe I'm too old and grouchy, but I expect it could be fun if you were in the mood for that sort of thing. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:56:26 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > Thank you, A-R! I guess despite the discrepancies, > it must be PWWAM. The > credits do seem to suggest to me -- as fast as > they've gone by, I may have > misinterpreted them -- that it was a Canadian TV > Production, but maybe > they're just grabbing credit for their hown-grown > here. :-) I think it was a joint production between the CBC and MTV (not sure though). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:53:32 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - NJC AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I agree with Pau, Laurentl. This list of "facts" is extremely slanted, and > to pretend otherwise is not a tenable position. I promise you that another > list might give 15 "facts" which are diametrically opposed to these, and its > compiler would swear blind that this was a totally disinterested list of > facts. I, for one, would be very interested in seeing this 'other list' you refer to. Brei np: Anne Sandstrom - Ordinary Life (oh Anne, how beautiful!!) - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 10:59:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: John Kelly [long] - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > debra, > what a great post!!!! how i miss new york. will i > ever see it again? what am > i talking about!? i'll be landing there in three > days. [but i'm not > staying... boo hoo] > i wish i could see john kelly one day. > wallyK.. > I know we're not supposed to say "me too" but I agree - - it was a great post. I miss NY too, even though I've never been there! I'd love to see/hear John Kelly - - have he and Joni ever met? I'd love to hear what she had to say about him. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:18:20 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: tell the world of your hero dear jmdlers, U.S. News and World Report is offering you a chance to write, in 100 words or less, about your hero, and your tribute may get published both online and in an upcoming issue... http://www.usnews.com/usnews/issue/010820/heroes/forum.htm i'm sure they'll here from us about joni! shane ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 12:32:57 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: (NJC)Re: Rickie Lee Jones' decline In a message dated 8/28/01 12:03:26 AM, dolphie bush wrote: << I didn't care that much for Traffic in Paradise or Ghostyhead but Pirates and The Magazine are her best albums, in my opinion, even better than the first album. >> I so agree. Pirates is the best -- all of her first three or four albums were worth having. But then a year or two (whenever it came out) I bought Ghoastyhead and was horrified. How could they put that out? I thought Rickie Lee was off drugs? I have a great deal of tolerance for weirdness (I like most of Jane Siberry, and pretty much all of Kate Bush), but sheesh, shouldn't one be conscious during a recording session? Doesn't she have a producer/adviser? I wonder about such things. She had such great talent, and I hope she's okay. "Big" walt in s.f. Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILINYB410-0828030326; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:03:26 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (v80.17) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYB12-0828030244; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:02:44 2000 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7S71ull027123; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f7S71kBb027013; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:01:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:00:51 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7S70mlj026401 for ; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:00:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f7S70gs1026369 for joni-digest-outgoing; Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 03:00:42 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200108280700.f7S70gs1026369@smoe.org> From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #369 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Precedence: bulk X-Mailer: Unknown (No Version) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 369 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [B] Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) [slarty ] Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) [slarty ] pics from Rickie Lee Jones concert - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] rickie lee ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [Catherine McKay ] A&E njc ["Mark or Travis" ] rickie lee- njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: RE: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [BigWaltinSF] Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] sound of music NJC [bbBear ] Re: rickie lee [Merk54@aol.com] NJC, But if you're interested in Music history (too late for tonight...) [BigWaltinSF@aol.co] Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [BigWaltinSF@aol] Re: new member, new input-output-electricity [dsk ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:54:25 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> Hi, everyone. Can't tell you how much I'm enjoying this site/list, and getting responses, and meeting you individually on the net. I assume you all saw the Special Night with Joni thing that was on one of the cable channels (can't remember which at the moment) about a year and a half ago. Aside from Joni's own outstanding performance of BSN, whcih was farily similar to the performance on the BSN album, she was preceeded by the excellent Diana Krall, who reduced me to tears with her seemingly (appropriately) drunk performance of Case of You, belied by her incredible, jazzy, expert piano playing. Anyway, I watch this tape often, whicn I need a good smile or cry (it's the same relief, no?). Other highlights for me were the performances by Shawn Colvin and Beth Chapman (something missing from the latter's name, I know, but I can't pull it out right now... Nielsen?? -- anyway, are those two lovers or just buds), and their trio performance with JT, and his solo performance of River (with interestingly missing lyrics about making one's lover cry...hmmm). Back in '95 I heard on San Fran's KFOG a re-broadcast of a small concert Joni had doen in LA. There was one song I didn't at that time recognize. Now I'm thinking it may have been Man from Mars, but I'm not sure. Anybody know the tape I mean, and what song it was? I understand from this site or from Wally Breese's jonimitchell.com that there is some kind of tribute album in the works (not the jazz thing by David Lahm, which I just learned about and intend to find next time I'm in a Virgin or Tower). Anybody know anything about the tribute album? Certainly hope Colvin, Chapman and Krall are involved!!! On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the second half of an hour-long performance by joni for a small group in Toronto (I gather from the credits) for Canadian TV. Once was my fault, and the other was KQED's (local PBS in SF), for (brace yourself) jumping in in the middle of the performance because they were pledging, and trying to sell some crap by some self-help guru!!!! Ugh, to say the least. So I still have no idea what's on the first half hour of the set. Oh, the local TV guide listing said the performance was from 200, but the credits revealed otherwise. She did perform Facelift (wonderful! -- one of my favorites of all time) from Tiger, and Comes Love (Nothing Can Be Done) from BSN, but Facelift was written back in '95, and Come Love might have been something her ex and now friend, Larry K, brought to her attention some time back to lure her into considering what later led to BSN. Finally (and sorry to all of you for whom this is all old news), any idea what Joni's next album is about thematically, or whether she's even working on one, or when we might expect it, hmmmm? Thinking Siquombically of you all, Walt B. in San Fran - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:56:34 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) George admitted that he probably inadvertently copied the song which is one reason he might have lost the case. Unlike you I find the songs very similar. Too similar to be anything but a subconscious copy. Usually if you do a conscious rip off job you change the song enough that you know you will get away with it. The Beatles were masters of this. philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: shane mattison > > > > apparently, i was told, mr. harrison lost a lawsuit over "my sweet Lord" - > it > > was not his composition, the judge ruled. mr. harrison also, alleged > > I never understood that decision and I don't think it would happen today. > The songs are totally different apart from the four notes in the He's So > Fine /My Sweet Lord parts. .It was very coincidental, I think. > > > (according to the claptons), broke the heart of the now wife of eric > clapton , > > george's ex , when he proposed sharing her in a tryst...a proposal he made > > with friends at the dinner table.... > > Don't know about this. It sounds a bit gossip columny. > > Philip > NP David Axelrod - new one - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:59:01 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) Yes it might have simply been a joke between the 2 of them taken out of context though I don't know this as fact. Randy Remote wrote: > > I don't think anyone can speculate on the relationship between > George and Patti. He met her filming "A Hard Day's Night". > A few years later she left him to be with his best friend, Eric > Clapton for whatever reason. George and Eric have remained > friends. (more >>) > > s - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:12:55 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: pics from Rickie Lee Jones concert - NJC If anyone's interest, there are pictures up on Rickie Lee Jones' web site of the concert I attended at the Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle. There is also a download of 'Chuck E's in Love' from this concert. URL is: http://www.rickieleejones.com/photographs/zootunes.htm Mark E - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:15:28 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: rickie lee njc Now I know that I really like you Mark. A Rickie Lee fan too. You must be some fantastic guy. Thanks for the info. Mack - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:33:54 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: rickie lee I got turned on to her back in Lubbock in the early 80's. I had only heard Chuck E's in love on the radio and thought she was kind of squirrelly too. My good friend Jeff had her album though and we used to lie around getting stoned and trying to find ourselves and that album was so great. Have you heard the song "company". Doesn't get any better than that. Was getting over a broken heart at the time or trying to and that tune would just break my heart all over again. Jeff used to play Joni all the time too but I didn't think much of her then but later learned the error of my thinking. But that Rickie Lee, she takes me away. Try to find the album Girl at her volcano. Hard to find but man it will knock you out. I would love to read the review. Thanks Mark - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> - - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the > second half of an > hour-long performance by joni for a small group in > Toronto (I gather from the > credits) for Canadian TV. ... Oh, the local TV guide listing said the > performance was from > 200, but the credits revealed otherwise. She did > perform Facelift > (wonderful! -- one of my favorites of all time) from > Tiger, and Comes Love > (Nothing Can Be Done) from BSN, but Facelift was > written back in '95, and > Come Love might have been something her ex and now > friend, Larry K, brought > to her attention some time back to lure her into > considering what later led > to BSN. > Walt, I think this is the shortened (hour-long only) version of "Painting with Words and Music" that the CBC ran around the same time the PWWAM ran in the U.S. We Canadians lost out on that one, unfortunately. It wasn't filmed in Canada - in fact, some of the jmdlers were there (was it in LA? SF? I dunno.) Anyway, you can get the video of PWWAM through places like CDNow, Amazon.com and so on. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:48:25 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music NJC funny you should mention this, colin. lately my granddaughter and i have been watching the sound of music and mary poppins ... she really loves the music. she moves her hands back and forth as tho she were conducting an orchestra. she is only 2 yrs old. what i have found out is that grownups can learn lots from children. as ever heather At 08:23 PM 8/27/01 +0100, colin wrote: >I have just watched this film again. I have seen it so many times. This >time on DVD-my own! It still makes me cry. I haven't before really >undertsood why it moves me so. Thinking about it tho today, I think it >represents the innocence of childhood for me-until the grownups come >along and destroy it for ever.(aprt from that i really enjoy the music >and songs!) > >-- >bw >colin >DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 >Duo80 >colin@tantra-apso.com >http://www.tantra-apso.com - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:02:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: A&E njc A&E is airing a piece about Brill Building songwriters right now. Mark E - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:15:11 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: rickie lee- njc Mark, I didn't realize that you wrote the review a while ago. It was great. Thanks. I really enjoyed that. Damn, would I love to see her live. Live in the middle of texas so not likely but i kind of felt like I was there. Thanks again. As for your question at the end of the review and I don't know how long ago you wrote that. I didn't care that much for Traffic in Paradise or Ghostyhead but Pirates and The Magazine are her best albums, in my opinion, even better than the first album. I had a lot of great lovemaking to Pirates. Later dude. Mack - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:18:02 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with the R&B singer/songwriter Aliyah, but I think anyone would be saddened by the turn of events that happened with her plane crash this past Saturday. I had just watched an MTV show called "Diary" which featured her story the previous week. It gave me a chance to see what a vibrant, positive person she was. Aliyah would also be heard saying how thankful she was to do something she loved so much, and how grateful she was to her fans. No matter how tired she was, she always made time to acknowledge those waiting to see her. She had a beautiful, soft, and sultry voice which I admired. I also admired the fact that she was only 22 years old and a commercial success for 8 years. I used to question why some people are successes at early ages and now I know why. Sometimes, a long life is not promised. It is a great argument for living in the moment. Aliyah did that as much as anyone could. It's very hard not to be touched by her after watching one of her interviews or documentaries. I was devastated by the news. It just reminds me of the fact that tomorrow is promised to no one. Sherelle - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:33:38 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) randy said: <> and is often the case, these are polarized extremes ... the study of the field of patristics (first few centuries, the period of the early church fathers), the direction of angelo roncalli (john xxiii), the second vatican council and its documents, albino luciani (johnpaul I), ecumenical anglicans and lutherans...all have remarkable harmony that: a kind of primate with reduced powers is envisaged, a kind of 'president' among bishops worldwide...and there would then hopefully be 'congressional', meaning episcopal checks to the 'presidential' power (term limits, powers of impeachment etc)... such studies indicate this is closer to the way it was meant to be...including the reformation principle that there is no higher authority than Holy Scripture....not anywhere on earth at least! oh how i wish... shane - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:35:43 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> In a message dated 8/27/01 7:28:50 PM, messling@enter.net writes: << Whew! A bunch of questions. I'll give some of them a whirl. First, a piece of advice: if you want tapes or CDs of live performances, Bob Muller is the man. He's incredibly generous with his time. I don't know if he has a stock of videos, but he might. > > the performances by Shawn Colvin and Beth Chapman Close! It was Mary Chapin Carpenter. (Walt: Oops, is my face red. I'm a fan of Shawn C's, but have heard of Mary Cahpin Carpernter, and shouldn't've brain-farted on the name. Isn't there also an artist with a name like Beth Nielsen Chapman, or am i totally insane?) > Back in '95 I heard on San Fran's KFOG a re-broadcast of a small > concert Joni > had doen in LA. There was one song I didn't at that time > recognize. Now I'm > thinking it may have been Man from Mars, but I'm not sure. Would this have been the show recorded at the Gene Autry Museum? Did Joni do a long, rambling, funny intro about playing war with the boys in her neighborhood? She played "Love's Cries" at that show, an early (and IMO opinion better) version of "Crazy Cries of Love." Perhaps that was the song you don't recognize?) (Walt: could possibly be. Memory is too fuzzy) > > I understand from this site or from Wally Breese's jonimitchell.com that > there is some kind of tribute album in the works Arrgh! This darn tribute album has been "in the works" for YEARS now, and Reprise can't seem to get off its duff. Latest news is that the disc will be titled A Case of Joni, and here's what to expect: PM Dawn, Night in the City Annie Lennox, Ladies of the Canyon Stevie Wonder, Woodstock Janet Jackson, Beat of Black Wings Duncan Sheik, Court and Spark kd lang, Help Me Sarah McLachlan, Blue Elvis Costello, Edith and the Kingpin Chaka Khan, Hejira Etta James, Amelia Elton John, Free Man In Paris Bjork, Boho Dance Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, Big Yellow Taxi However, there was also a tantalizing news item about Steely Dan recording a version of "Carey" for this CD. Imagine that! (walt: WOW, what a list of talent. Hope it happens!!) > On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the second half of an > hour-long performance by joni for a small group in Toronto (I > gather from the > credits) for Canadian TV. This one is news to me. It sort of sounds like "Painting with Words and Music," but that was recorded in LA. She did a MuchMusic "Intimate and Interactive" show shortly after the release of TI, but that show does not include "Comes Love." I'm stumped. (Walt) In the one I'm talking about, she even dances with a friend from the audience (someone she knows, in fact, one of the three who sang "Why do fools fall in love" with her earlier in the broadcast -- everyone in the audience was a friend or an invitee by a friend. ) Also during the show in question, Graham Nash gave her the award/trophy/thingy that he had accepted for her the year before when she'd been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The show was LISTED as being "Pianting with Word and Music" by KQED, but since they got the year wrong, and I neer saw the beginning, I was doubtful. Welcome to the list! You live in one of my favorite cities. I visited SF this June while attending the American Library Association conference. (W--Thank you, Deb, and thank you for such detailed answers to my questions!) - - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= >> - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:36:01 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) Rest eternal grant her, O Lord, and let light perpetual shine upon her. I can't claim to be an Aliyah fan but I certainly know her music and the news of her death, and the others on the plane, is very sad. She was a young woman with a lot of talent and a lot of promise who had done some very good work over a period of time. Rather akin to the loss of Richie Valens or Eddie Cochran or Cass Elliot. (the Rev) Vince - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:37:24 -0400 From: bbBear Subject: sound of music NJC i have literally seen this movie 100s of times. i still remember seeing it as a toddler in the movie theatre a couple of times when it first came out, and to this day, watch it at least 5x a year (i've already reached my quota - i got the DVD just a few weeks before i went to paris and watched it dubbed in french a few times to try to get my vocabulary back). i was a foster parent of two kids about 10 years ago, and one of them had a real penchant for the movie - i think it put her in a fantasy world that gave her some comfort. she used to watch it about every other day, no exaggeration. it truly is a classic movie. it has its really corny parts, but overall, it's really fabulous. the acting is amazing, and i think christopher plummer is overlooked for how much he brings to the film [not to mention just how incredibly sexy he is]. looking beyond the music, i think it's the captain's growth as a character that makes the film what it is. early this summer, i taught for the first time, which was really fun (editing theory at american university). it renewed my passion for filmmaking and reminded me of why i got into this crazy business in the first place. the first day of class, i dissected the scene between the captain and maria when they fight after he's returned from vienna and they all fall out of the boat. a couple of my students told me later that when i started with that they were rolling their eyes and thinking that they might have made a huge mistake enrolling in my class, but by the end of the lecture were completely fascinated and surprised by how complex the scene actually is. even i was surprised when i started preparing for class and took it apart. it seems like a very staged, mostly wide/2-shot/master shot kind of scene, but there are more than 45 cuts in 2 minutes. i highly recommend taking the time to listen to the director's track if you've got the DVD. barbara np: ceiling fan ps. saw chris plummer in "barrymore" on broadway a couple of years ago - - - even as an old man, still very very sexy! - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:37:46 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: rickie lee Mark, I agree whole heartedly about Rickie, and especially about the song Company. I've seen Rickie live numerous times, but one time I saw her at the now defunct Poplar Creek Theater, and she did a version of Company that left me sobbing like a baby. It was the most emotional reading of a song I have ever witnessed. Three or four songs later, she was playing a much more lively song (I wish I could remember which one) and I just had to get up and dance, even though the rest of the audience remained seated. I was in about the fourth row, and half way through the song, the band went into a instrumental part, and Rickie jumps off the stage, comes running up to me, drags me in the aisle, and dances with me for a couple of minutes while the band jammed away. A magic night for sure! Which reminds me of another favorite Rickie moment. I was seeing her at a small concert hall on a Chicago campus, and dragged a friend along who I thought might appreciate her. She was touring with a very small band, and the whole evenings performance was very laid back, and my friend wasn't overly impressed. For her final encore, she did an accapella version of some song I never heard before, but it had something to do with a couple meeting in a bar, and cigarettes - I wish I could remember more. Anyway, half way through the song, she messes up, and shouts "Damn, I fucked it up - Now I'll have to start the whole thing over". And in the process of starting it over, she completely re-interpretted the song. It was simply amazing. But what was even more amazing was my friend's reaction - "God, she not only fucked up the song the first time, but then she couldn't even remember the melody when she sang it the second time". If anybody happens to know the song I am referring to here, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Jack - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:42:07 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: NJC, But if you're interested in Music history (too late for tonight...) Anyone interested in Pop music history should keep an eye on Biography this week on A&E. Tonight's two-hour opening was a sort of overview of Tin Pan Alley/early r&b, r&r, Brill building, Carole King, Burt Bach, you name it. Tue: Dionne Warwick Wed: Bobby Darin Thu: Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller Fri: Burt Bacharach I'm a huge fan of both Dionne's and of Burt's (hard if you're one not to be the other), so I intend to see esp. tue & fri nites Just thought I'd give a heads up in case any of you fellow joni-philes don't read TV guide. :-) Love & siquomb, Walt Breen in sf - ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:48:53 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> Thank you, A-R! I guess despite the discrepancies, it must be PWWAM. The credits do seem to suggest to me -- as fast as they've gone by, I may have misinterpreted them -- that it was a Canadian TV Production, but maybe they're just grabbing credit for their hown-grown here. :-) Thanks again -- Walt - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:43:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: new member, new input-output-electricity patricia van nunen wrote: > > Hi,to everyone > > It's never easy.The first time.I'm a new member and very excited about the > JMDL. Great! Welcome, and congratulations on making the leap. > I am a woman of heart and mind, I've been following your discussions now for > quite some time, and what I feel are good vibes, Joni-passion, but most of > all a lot of information and new input given by you all. I feel like coming > home... I know what you mean about the coming home experience. When I joined years ago the discussion at the time was about "The Reoccurring Dream". It seemed to go on forever and evolved into a heated argument about why Joni used the word "reoccurring" rather than "occurring". I was amazed that so many people not only knew the song but felt so passionately about it they were arguing about her use of one particular word. Aahhhhh! I felt like a fish diving into life-giving water. It wasn't just me and Joni anymore. Debra Shea - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:46:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: sound of music NJC one of the great advantages of going to a catholic school was that we got to see the sound of music every year!!!! i own the movie and i watch it once every two months. it still moves me and makes me laugh. i love the captain!!!!!!! and i know most of the dialogues by heart. one of the things that i wanted to do at the jonifest this year was ''how do you solve a problem like maria'', the scene with the nuns and the abbess. i wanted to do it with chris, les ross, russ, bob, and jimmy. i wanted to be sister margareta, the one that says, ''i'd like to say a word in her behalf: maria makes me laugh [giggle giggle giggle]'' but i forgot to tell the guys and now it's too late. so it is such a coincidence that we should be discussing the S of M now! wallyK, i'd lie to be the abbess too. - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #369 ***************************** - ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #370 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?