From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #369 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 28 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 369 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [B] Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) [slarty ] Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) [slarty ] pics from Rickie Lee Jones concert - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] rickie lee ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [Catherine McKay ] A&E njc ["Mark or Travis" ] rickie lee- njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: RE: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [BigWaltinSF] Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] sound of music NJC [bbBear ] Re: rickie lee [Merk54@aol.com] NJC, But if you're interested in Music history (too late for tonight...) [BigWaltinSF@aol.co] Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> [BigWaltinSF@aol] Re: new member, new input-output-electricity [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:54:25 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> Hi, everyone. Can't tell you how much I'm enjoying this site/list, and getting responses, and meeting you individually on the net. I assume you all saw the Special Night with Joni thing that was on one of the cable channels (can't remember which at the moment) about a year and a half ago. Aside from Joni's own outstanding performance of BSN, whcih was farily similar to the performance on the BSN album, she was preceeded by the excellent Diana Krall, who reduced me to tears with her seemingly (appropriately) drunk performance of Case of You, belied by her incredible, jazzy, expert piano playing. Anyway, I watch this tape often, whicn I need a good smile or cry (it's the same relief, no?). Other highlights for me were the performances by Shawn Colvin and Beth Chapman (something missing from the latter's name, I know, but I can't pull it out right now... Nielsen?? -- anyway, are those two lovers or just buds), and their trio performance with JT, and his solo performance of River (with interestingly missing lyrics about making one's lover cry...hmmm). Back in '95 I heard on San Fran's KFOG a re-broadcast of a small concert Joni had doen in LA. There was one song I didn't at that time recognize. Now I'm thinking it may have been Man from Mars, but I'm not sure. Anybody know the tape I mean, and what song it was? I understand from this site or from Wally Breese's jonimitchell.com that there is some kind of tribute album in the works (not the jazz thing by David Lahm, which I just learned about and intend to find next time I'm in a Virgin or Tower). Anybody know anything about the tribute album? Certainly hope Colvin, Chapman and Krall are involved!!! On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the second half of an hour-long performance by joni for a small group in Toronto (I gather from the credits) for Canadian TV. Once was my fault, and the other was KQED's (local PBS in SF), for (brace yourself) jumping in in the middle of the performance because they were pledging, and trying to sell some crap by some self-help guru!!!! Ugh, to say the least. So I still have no idea what's on the first half hour of the set. Oh, the local TV guide listing said the performance was from 200, but the credits revealed otherwise. She did perform Facelift (wonderful! -- one of my favorites of all time) from Tiger, and Comes Love (Nothing Can Be Done) from BSN, but Facelift was written back in '95, and Come Love might have been something her ex and now friend, Larry K, brought to her attention some time back to lure her into considering what later led to BSN. Finally (and sorry to all of you for whom this is all old news), any idea what Joni's next album is about thematically, or whether she's even working on one, or when we might expect it, hmmmm? Thinking Siquombically of you all, Walt B. in San Fran ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:56:34 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) George admitted that he probably inadvertently copied the song which is one reason he might have lost the case. Unlike you I find the songs very similar. Too similar to be anything but a subconscious copy. Usually if you do a conscious rip off job you change the song enough that you know you will get away with it. The Beatles were masters of this. philipf@tinet.ie wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: shane mattison > > > > apparently, i was told, mr. harrison lost a lawsuit over "my sweet Lord" - > it > > was not his composition, the judge ruled. mr. harrison also, alleged > > I never understood that decision and I don't think it would happen today. > The songs are totally different apart from the four notes in the He's So > Fine /My Sweet Lord parts. .It was very coincidental, I think. > > > (according to the claptons), broke the heart of the now wife of eric > clapton , > > george's ex , when he proposed sharing her in a tryst...a proposal he made > > with friends at the dinner table.... > > Don't know about this. It sounds a bit gossip columny. > > Philip > NP David Axelrod - new one ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:59:01 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) Yes it might have simply been a joke between the 2 of them taken out of context though I don't know this as fact. Randy Remote wrote: > > I don't think anyone can speculate on the relationship between > George and Patti. He met her filming "A Hard Day's Night". > A few years later she left him to be with his best friend, Eric > Clapton for whatever reason. George and Eric have remained > friends. (more >>) > > s ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:12:55 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: pics from Rickie Lee Jones concert - NJC If anyone's interest, there are pictures up on Rickie Lee Jones' web site of the concert I attended at the Woodland Park Zoo in Seattle. There is also a download of 'Chuck E's in Love' from this concert. URL is: http://www.rickieleejones.com/photographs/zootunes.htm Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:15:28 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: rickie lee njc Now I know that I really like you Mark. A Rickie Lee fan too. You must be some fantastic guy. Thanks for the info. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:33:54 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: rickie lee I got turned on to her back in Lubbock in the early 80's. I had only heard Chuck E's in love on the radio and thought she was kind of squirrelly too. My good friend Jeff had her album though and we used to lie around getting stoned and trying to find ourselves and that album was so great. Have you heard the song "company". Doesn't get any better than that. Was getting over a broken heart at the time or trying to and that tune would just break my heart all over again. Jeff used to play Joni all the time too but I didn't think much of her then but later learned the error of my thinking. But that Rickie Lee, she takes me away. Try to find the album Girl at her volcano. Hard to find but man it will knock you out. I would love to read the review. Thanks Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:42:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the > second half of an > hour-long performance by joni for a small group in > Toronto (I gather from the > credits) for Canadian TV. ... Oh, the local TV guide listing said the > performance was from > 200, but the credits revealed otherwise. She did > perform Facelift > (wonderful! -- one of my favorites of all time) from > Tiger, and Comes Love > (Nothing Can Be Done) from BSN, but Facelift was > written back in '95, and > Come Love might have been something her ex and now > friend, Larry K, brought > to her attention some time back to lure her into > considering what later led > to BSN. > Walt, I think this is the shortened (hour-long only) version of "Painting with Words and Music" that the CBC ran around the same time the PWWAM ran in the U.S. We Canadians lost out on that one, unfortunately. It wasn't filmed in Canada - in fact, some of the jmdlers were there (was it in LA? SF? I dunno.) Anyway, you can get the video of PWWAM through places like CDNow, Amazon.com and so on. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:48:25 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music NJC funny you should mention this, colin. lately my granddaughter and i have been watching the sound of music and mary poppins ... she really loves the music. she moves her hands back and forth as tho she were conducting an orchestra. she is only 2 yrs old. what i have found out is that grownups can learn lots from children. as ever heather At 08:23 PM 8/27/01 +0100, colin wrote: >I have just watched this film again. I have seen it so many times. This >time on DVD-my own! It still makes me cry. I haven't before really >undertsood why it moves me so. Thinking about it tho today, I think it >represents the innocence of childhood for me-until the grownups come >along and destroy it for ever.(aprt from that i really enjoy the music >and songs!) > >-- >bw >colin >DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 >Duo80 >colin@tantra-apso.com >http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:02:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: A&E njc A&E is airing a piece about Brill Building songwriters right now. Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 22:15:11 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: rickie lee- njc Mark, I didn't realize that you wrote the review a while ago. It was great. Thanks. I really enjoyed that. Damn, would I love to see her live. Live in the middle of texas so not likely but i kind of felt like I was there. Thanks again. As for your question at the end of the review and I don't know how long ago you wrote that. I didn't care that much for Traffic in Paradise or Ghostyhead but Pirates and The Magazine are her best albums, in my opinion, even better than the first album. I had a lot of great lovemaking to Pirates. Later dude. Mack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:18:02 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) I'm not sure if anyone is familiar with the R&B singer/songwriter Aliyah, but I think anyone would be saddened by the turn of events that happened with her plane crash this past Saturday. I had just watched an MTV show called "Diary" which featured her story the previous week. It gave me a chance to see what a vibrant, positive person she was. Aliyah would also be heard saying how thankful she was to do something she loved so much, and how grateful she was to her fans. No matter how tired she was, she always made time to acknowledge those waiting to see her. She had a beautiful, soft, and sultry voice which I admired. I also admired the fact that she was only 22 years old and a commercial success for 8 years. I used to question why some people are successes at early ages and now I know why. Sometimes, a long life is not promised. It is a great argument for living in the moment. Aliyah did that as much as anyone could. It's very hard not to be touched by her after watching one of her interviews or documentaries. I was devastated by the news. It just reminds me of the fact that tomorrow is promised to no one. Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 21:33:38 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) randy said: <> and is often the case, these are polarized extremes ... the study of the field of patristics (first few centuries, the period of the early church fathers), the direction of angelo roncalli (john xxiii), the second vatican council and its documents, albino luciani (johnpaul I), ecumenical anglicans and lutherans...all have remarkable harmony that: a kind of primate with reduced powers is envisaged, a kind of 'president' among bishops worldwide...and there would then hopefully be 'congressional', meaning episcopal checks to the 'presidential' power (term limits, powers of impeachment etc)... such studies indicate this is closer to the way it was meant to be...including the reformation principle that there is no higher authority than Holy Scripture....not anywhere on earth at least! oh how i wish... shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:35:43 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: RE: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> In a message dated 8/27/01 7:28:50 PM, messling@enter.net writes: << Whew! A bunch of questions. I'll give some of them a whirl. First, a piece of advice: if you want tapes or CDs of live performances, Bob Muller is the man. He's incredibly generous with his time. I don't know if he has a stock of videos, but he might. > > the performances by Shawn Colvin and Beth Chapman Close! It was Mary Chapin Carpenter. (Walt: Oops, is my face red. I'm a fan of Shawn C's, but have heard of Mary Cahpin Carpernter, and shouldn't've brain-farted on the name. Isn't there also an artist with a name like Beth Nielsen Chapman, or am i totally insane?) > Back in '95 I heard on San Fran's KFOG a re-broadcast of a small > concert Joni > had doen in LA. There was one song I didn't at that time > recognize. Now I'm > thinking it may have been Man from Mars, but I'm not sure. Would this have been the show recorded at the Gene Autry Museum? Did Joni do a long, rambling, funny intro about playing war with the boys in her neighborhood? She played "Love's Cries" at that show, an early (and IMO opinion better) version of "Crazy Cries of Love." Perhaps that was the song you don't recognize?) (Walt: could possibly be. Memory is too fuzzy) > > I understand from this site or from Wally Breese's jonimitchell.com that > there is some kind of tribute album in the works Arrgh! This darn tribute album has been "in the works" for YEARS now, and Reprise can't seem to get off its duff. Latest news is that the disc will be titled A Case of Joni, and here's what to expect: PM Dawn, Night in the City Annie Lennox, Ladies of the Canyon Stevie Wonder, Woodstock Janet Jackson, Beat of Black Wings Duncan Sheik, Court and Spark kd lang, Help Me Sarah McLachlan, Blue Elvis Costello, Edith and the Kingpin Chaka Khan, Hejira Etta James, Amelia Elton John, Free Man In Paris Bjork, Boho Dance Lindsey Buckingham with Mick Fleetwood, Big Yellow Taxi However, there was also a tantalizing news item about Steely Dan recording a version of "Carey" for this CD. Imagine that! (walt: WOW, what a list of talent. Hope it happens!!) > On a more frustrating note, I have TWICE caught the second half of an > hour-long performance by joni for a small group in Toronto (I > gather from the > credits) for Canadian TV. This one is news to me. It sort of sounds like "Painting with Words and Music," but that was recorded in LA. She did a MuchMusic "Intimate and Interactive" show shortly after the release of TI, but that show does not include "Comes Love." I'm stumped. (Walt) In the one I'm talking about, she even dances with a friend from the audience (someone she knows, in fact, one of the three who sang "Why do fools fall in love" with her earlier in the broadcast -- everyone in the audience was a friend or an invitee by a friend. ) Also during the show in question, Graham Nash gave her the award/trophy/thingy that he had accepted for her the year before when she'd been inducted into the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame. The show was LISTED as being "Pianting with Word and Music" by KQED, but since they got the year wrong, and I neer saw the beginning, I was doubtful. Welcome to the list! You live in one of my favorite cities. I visited SF this June while attending the American Library Association conference. (W--Thank you, Deb, and thank you for such detailed answers to my questions!) - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:36:01 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Sadness over Aliyah (NJC) Rest eternal grant her, O Lord, and let light perpetual shine upon her. I can't claim to be an Aliyah fan but I certainly know her music and the news of her death, and the others on the plane, is very sad. She was a young woman with a lot of talent and a lot of promise who had done some very good work over a period of time. Rather akin to the loss of Richie Valens or Eddie Cochran or Cass Elliot. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:37:24 -0400 From: bbBear Subject: sound of music NJC i have literally seen this movie 100s of times. i still remember seeing it as a toddler in the movie theatre a couple of times when it first came out, and to this day, watch it at least 5x a year (i've already reached my quota - i got the DVD just a few weeks before i went to paris and watched it dubbed in french a few times to try to get my vocabulary back). i was a foster parent of two kids about 10 years ago, and one of them had a real penchant for the movie - i think it put her in a fantasy world that gave her some comfort. she used to watch it about every other day, no exaggeration. it truly is a classic movie. it has its really corny parts, but overall, it's really fabulous. the acting is amazing, and i think christopher plummer is overlooked for how much he brings to the film [not to mention just how incredibly sexy he is]. looking beyond the music, i think it's the captain's growth as a character that makes the film what it is. early this summer, i taught for the first time, which was really fun (editing theory at american university). it renewed my passion for filmmaking and reminded me of why i got into this crazy business in the first place. the first day of class, i dissected the scene between the captain and maria when they fight after he's returned from vienna and they all fall out of the boat. a couple of my students told me later that when i started with that they were rolling their eyes and thinking that they might have made a huge mistake enrolling in my class, but by the end of the lecture were completely fascinated and surprised by how complex the scene actually is. even i was surprised when i started preparing for class and took it apart. it seems like a very staged, mostly wide/2-shot/master shot kind of scene, but there are more than 45 cuts in 2 minutes. i highly recommend taking the time to listen to the director's track if you've got the DVD. barbara np: ceiling fan ps. saw chris plummer in "barrymore" on broadway a couple of years ago - - even as an old man, still very very sexy! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:37:46 EDT From: Merk54@aol.com Subject: Re: rickie lee Mark, I agree whole heartedly about Rickie, and especially about the song Company. I've seen Rickie live numerous times, but one time I saw her at the now defunct Poplar Creek Theater, and she did a version of Company that left me sobbing like a baby. It was the most emotional reading of a song I have ever witnessed. Three or four songs later, she was playing a much more lively song (I wish I could remember which one) and I just had to get up and dance, even though the rest of the audience remained seated. I was in about the fourth row, and half way through the song, the band went into a instrumental part, and Rickie jumps off the stage, comes running up to me, drags me in the aisle, and dances with me for a couple of minutes while the band jammed away. A magic night for sure! Which reminds me of another favorite Rickie moment. I was seeing her at a small concert hall on a Chicago campus, and dragged a friend along who I thought might appreciate her. She was touring with a very small band, and the whole evenings performance was very laid back, and my friend wasn't overly impressed. For her final encore, she did an accapella version of some song I never heard before, but it had something to do with a couple meeting in a bar, and cigarettes - I wish I could remember more. Anyway, half way through the song, she messes up, and shouts "Damn, I fucked it up - Now I'll have to start the whole thing over". And in the process of starting it over, she completely re-interpretted the song. It was simply amazing. But what was even more amazing was my friend's reaction - "God, she not only fucked up the song the first time, but then she couldn't even remember the melody when she sang it the second time". If anybody happens to know the song I am referring to here, I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:42:07 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: NJC, But if you're interested in Music history (too late for tonight...) Anyone interested in Pop music history should keep an eye on Biography this week on A&E. Tonight's two-hour opening was a sort of overview of Tin Pan Alley/early r&b, r&r, Brill building, Carole King, Burt Bach, you name it. Tue: Dionne Warwick Wed: Bobby Darin Thu: Jerry Leiber & Mike Stoller Fri: Burt Bacharach I'm a huge fan of both Dionne's and of Burt's (hard if you're one not to be the other), so I intend to see esp. tue & fri nites Just thought I'd give a heads up in case any of you fellow joni-philes don't read TV guide. :-) Love & siquomb, Walt Breen in sf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 23:48:53 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: Old news, but I'm new: musings and q's about joni's appearances, etc> Thank you, A-R! I guess despite the discrepancies, it must be PWWAM. The credits do seem to suggest to me -- as fast as they've gone by, I may have misinterpreted them -- that it was a Canadian TV Production, but maybe they're just grabbing credit for their hown-grown here. :-) Thanks again -- Walt ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 00:43:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: new member, new input-output-electricity patricia van nunen wrote: > > Hi,to everyone > > It's never easy.The first time.I'm a new member and very excited about the > JMDL. Great! Welcome, and congratulations on making the leap. > I am a woman of heart and mind, I've been following your discussions now for > quite some time, and what I feel are good vibes, Joni-passion, but most of > all a lot of information and new input given by you all. I feel like coming > home... I know what you mean about the coming home experience. When I joined years ago the discussion at the time was about "The Reoccurring Dream". It seemed to go on forever and evolved into a heated argument about why Joni used the word "reoccurring" rather than "occurring". I was amazed that so many people not only knew the song but felt so passionately about it they were arguing about her use of one particular word. Aahhhhh! I felt like a fish diving into life-giving water. It wasn't just me and Joni anymore. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 02:46:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: sound of music NJC one of the great advantages of going to a catholic school was that we got to see the sound of music every year!!!! i own the movie and i watch it once every two months. it still moves me and makes me laugh. i love the captain!!!!!!! and i know most of the dialogues by heart. one of the things that i wanted to do at the jonifest this year was ''how do you solve a problem like maria'', the scene with the nuns and the abbess. i wanted to do it with chris, les ross, russ, bob, and jimmy. i wanted to be sister margareta, the one that says, ''i'd like to say a word in her behalf: maria makes me laugh [giggle giggle giggle]'' but i forgot to tell the guys and now it's too late. so it is such a coincidence that we should be discussing the S of M now! wallyK, i'd lie to be the abbess too. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #369 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?