From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #368 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 27 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 368 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 27 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: August 27 [les@jmdl.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #364 & Big WristsNJC [colin ] Re: Excitement [colin ] NJC re: Birthday Story [pyramus@lineone.net] NJC re: Welcome aboard Big Walt [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: A Birthday Story (NJC) [AsharaJM@aol.com] NJC Jonifest Sweaters [pyramus@lineone.net] Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - ["Laurent Olszer" ] Tr: Fw: a letter from israel ["Laurent Olszer" ] new jimdlers ["shane mattison" ] Re: hejira phallic njc [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: A Birthday Story [Catherine McKay ] Re: Such a gracious welcome! [Catherine McKay ] Re: new member, new input-output-electricity [Catherine McKay ] RE: Fw: a letter from israel NJC ["Deb Messling" ] Re: hejira phallic njc ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Tr: Fw: a letter from israel [Phyliss Ward ] pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Randy Brecker / Michael Brecker ? Joni Trivia ["brian symes" ] Re: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) [] Re: Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. NJC [] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #367 [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: hejira phallic njc [colin ] Re: Excitement [colin ] The Sound Of Music NJC [colin ] Re: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - NJC [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: John Kelly ["Kakki" ] In Praise of TI [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) [slarty ] pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: NJC Re: Red House Painters covers Yes/Cars [Michael Paz ] Re: The Sound Of Music NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Fw: The Sound Of Music NJC ["Dolphie Bush" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 03:03:02 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 27 On August 27 in Joni Mitchell History: 1969: Joni is the opening act for Crosby, Stills, and Nash at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. This is the third night of seven straight. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690826lat.cfm - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 03:03:02 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: August 27 On August 27 these articles were published: 1994: "Joni Mitchell's Many Shades of Indigo" - Billboard (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/940827bb.cfm 1997: "Dylan Says He'll Answer Pope's Call" - USA Today (Mention) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970827usat.cfm 1997: "Taming The Tiger Due In February" - AllStar Website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/970827as.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 631 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:22:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #364 & Big WristsNJC BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > NJC!!! > > In a message dated 8/26/01 2:16:31 AM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > << I think it funnier that this mail should come from someone calling > themselves > BigWaltin! > Welcome to the list Big boy. > >> > > lol. Point taken. But I'm just tall (6'5"), and, um, perfectly > normal/average in the "lower wrist" department. well now you have answered a question i have always pondered upon. About very tall men and their wrists..... Of course after I sent it I realised you wre Walt in SF and therefore just Big Walt! Anyway, I am sure you will have fun here. > > > "big" walt - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:25:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Excitement > If you go to Colin's web > site you can see some of his previous handiwork. ahh um....if you go to my website you will se pics of my dogs not my knitwear! bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:05:56 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: NJC re: Birthday Story Ashara, that's a great story. It pays to be persistent sometimes. Belated 21st Birthday wishes to you. :) Also, good luck at the weekend. It takes a special person to do something like you do at Jonifest. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:12:43 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: NJC re: Welcome aboard Big Walt BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: <> Wow! Someone we shall all be looking up to!! Welcome Walt. Have a great time here. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 05:15:50 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: A Birthday Story (NJC) Marilyn wrote: <> This will be the 4th (the 4th????????? ACK!!!!!!!) Jonifest in Topsfield!!! (What was I THINKING???????????) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:21:27 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: NJC Jonifest Sweaters Sharon wrote: <> Colin, how could you? It's terrible how all these priceless artifacts are lost to the nation!! :) Seriously, it's a wonderful gesture. Kevin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:29:53 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - A few facts that were missing in the former discussions about the Middle East: Sorry I'm late on this but I was away. Objet : Fwd: of interest to us all - In a message dated 10/25/2000 10:11:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, Dr Morley writes: << > > HERE'S THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY... > (takes 1.5 mins to read) It makes sense and it's not slanted. Jew and > non-Jew it doesn't matter. Thank You. > > Nationhood and Jerusalem > > Israel became a nation in 1312 B.C.E., two thousand years before the rise of Islam. > > Arab refugees in Israel began identifying themselves as part of a > Palestinian people in 1967, two decades after the establishment of the modern State of Israel. > > Since the Jewish conquest in 1272 B.C.E. the Jews have had dominion over the land for one thousand years with a continuous presence in the land for the > past 3,300 years. The only Arab dominion since the conquest in 635 > C.E. lasted no more than 22 years. > > For over 3,300 years, Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity. Even when the > Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital, > and Arab leaders did not come to visit. > > Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Tanach, the Jewish Holy Scriptures. > Jerusalem is not mentioned once in the Koran. > > King David founded the city of Jerusalem. Mohammed never came to Jerusalem. > > Jews pray facing Jerusalem. Muslims pray with their backs toward Jerusalem. > > Arab and Jewish Refugees > > In 1948 the Arab refugees were encouraged to leave Israel by Arab leaders > promising to purge the land of Jews. Sixty-eight percent left without ever seeing an Israeli soldier. The Jewish refugees were forced to flee from Arab lands due to Arab brutality, persecution and pogroms. > > The number of Arab refugees who left Israel in 1948 is estimated to be > around 630,000. The number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands is > estimated to be the same. > > Arab refugees were intentionally not absorbed or integrated into the Arab > lands to which they fled, despite the vast Arab territory. Out of the > 100,000,000 refugees since World War II, theirs is the only refugee group in the world that has never been absorbed or integrated into their own peoples' lands. Jewish refugees were completely absorbed into Israel, a > country no larger than the state of New Jersey. > > The Arab - Israeli Conflict > > The Arabs are represented by eight separate nations, not including the > Palestinians.There is only one Jewish nation. > > The Arab nations initiated all five wars and lost. Israel defended itself each time and won. > > The PLO's Charter still calls for the destruction of the State of > Israel. Israel has given the Palestinians most of the West Bank land, autonomy under the Palestinian Authority, and has supplied them with weapons. > > Under Jordanian rule, Jewish holy sites were desecrated and the Jews were > denied access to places of worship. Under Israeli rule, all Muslim and > Christian sites have been preserved and made accessible to people of all > faiths. > > The U.N. Record on Israel and the Arabs > > Of the 175 Security Council resolutions passed before 1990, 97 were > directed against Israel. > > Of the 690 General Assembly resolutions voted on before 1990, 429 were > directed against Israel. > > The U.N was silent while 58 Jerusalem Synagogues were destroyed by the > Jordanians. > > The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians systematically desecrated the > ancient Jewish cemetery on the Mount of Olives. > > The U.N. was silent while the Jordanians enforced an apartheid-like policy of preventing Jews from visiting the Temple Mount and the Western Wall. > >These are incredible times. We have to ask what our role should be. > What will we tell our grandchildren we did when there was a turning point in Jewish destiny, an opportunity to make a difference. > > Start now. Send this to 20 other people you know and ask them to send it to twenty others. Jew and non-Jew it doesn't matter. The truth and the cause of peace are universal values we all share. >> > Sharon Faulkner 732 Fairmount Avenue Chatham, New Jersey 07928-1155 USA Tel. (973)-701-1033 Fax. (973)-701-0462 >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 07:56:07 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Red House Painters covers Yes/Cars I thought about some of you who have attended the Yes tour this summer. I was listening to a cover of Long Distance Runaround by the Red House Painters. The song is slowed down significantly, and is very good. They also do a cover for All Mixed Up by the Cars, which I think is even better than the original. Definitely a group to check out. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:38:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Red House Painters covers Yes/Cars <> Amen to that, Mike!! RHP is one of my favorite groups, I got back into them big-time this year with their 2001 release "Old Ramon", which is probably going to win my award for record of the year. If you're into Neil Young, circa "Everybody Knows This is Nowhere", the SCJoniguy says check it out! On that same record you mention (Songs For a Blue Guitar), the RHP cover "Silly Love Songs" in a Neil Young grunge-like fashion. An unbelievable cover! And speaking of Yes covers, the late great Kevin Gilbert does a spot-on version of "Siberian Khatru" that made my jaw hit the floor!! Mike, you don't live so far from me...we NEED to get together & have a listening party!! :~) Bob NP: Sarah Vaughan, "Prelude To A Kiss" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:54:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: new member, new input-output-electricity Welcome, Patricia! New people & new points of view are always a welcome sight! Are you in Belgium? Did you see Joni when she played Brussels in '83? Please feel free to share your thoughts, favorite songs, etc. Bob NP: Srah Vaughan, "It's Easy To Remember" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:11:03 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: A Birthday Story neat story, ashara...synchronicity was a happenin' to you and you got a great birthday present didn't you? i hope you have many more too... sorry i can't be with you at jonifest...struggling artist... shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:11:35 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: Tr: Fw: a letter from israel > > The following was received from an unknown source in Israel. It is a > > quick read, and sends a very strong message that is inherent in the > > attitudes and approaches of what is now the majority in Israel. > > > > > > > > Dear World, > > > > I understand that you are upset over us, here in Israel. Indeed, it > > appears that you are quite upset, even angry. (Outraged?) Indeed, > > every few years you seem to became upset over us. > > > > Today, it is the "brutal repression of the Palestinians;" yesterday, it > > was Lebanon; before that it was the bombing of the nuclear reactor in > > Baghdad and the Yom Kippur War and the Sinai campaign. It appears that > > Jews who triumph and who, therefore, live, upset you most > > extraordinarily. > > > > Of course, dear world, long before there was an Israel, we - the Jewish > > people - upset you. We upset a German people who elected a Hitler > > and we upset an Austrian people who cheered his entry into Vienna and we > > upset a whole slew of Slavic nations - Poles, Lithuanians, > > Ukrainians, Russians, Hungarians, Romanians and others. > > > > And we go back a long, long way in the history of world "upset." We > > upset the Cossacks of Chmielnicki who massacred tens of thousands of > > us in 1648-49; we upset the Crusaders who, on their way to liberate the > > Holy Land, were so upset at Jews that they slaughtered untold numbers of us. > > > > We upset for centuries, a Roman Catholic Church that did its best to > define our relationship through Inquisitions, and we upset the arch- > > enemy of the Church, Martin Luther, who, in his call to burn the > synagogues and the Jews within them, showed an admirable Christian ecumenical spirit. > > > > And it is because we became so upset over upsetting you, dear world, > > that we decided to leave you - in a manner of speaking - and establish > > a Jewish State. The reasoning was that living in close contact with you, > > as resident-strangers in the various countries that comprise you, we upset > > you, irritate you, disturb you. What better notion, then, than to leave you and > > thus love you - and have you love us? And so we decided to come home - to > > the same homeland from which we were driven out 1,900 years earlier by a Roman > > world that, apparently, we also upset. > > > > Alas, dear world, it appears that you are hard to please. Having left > > you and your pogroms and Inquisitions and Crusades and Holocausts, having > > taken our leave of the general world to live alone in our own little > > state - we continue to upset you. You are upset that we repress the poor > > Palestinians. You are deeply angered over the fact that we do not give up > > the lands of 1967, which are clearly the obstacle to peace in the Middle > > East. Moscow is upset and Washington is upset. The "radical" Arabs are > > upset and the gentle Egyptian moderates are upset. > > > > Well, dear world, consider the reaction of a normal Jew from Israel. In > > 1920 and 1921 and 1929, there were no territories of 1967 to impede > > peace between Jews and Arabs. Indeed, there was no Jewish State to upset > > anybody. Nevertheless, the same oppressed and repressed Palestinians > > slaughtered tens of Jews in Jerusalem, Jaffa, Safed and Hebron. > > > > Indeed, 67 Jews were slaughtered one day in Hebron - in 1929. Dear > > world, why did the Arabs - the Palestinians - massacre 67 Jews in one day > > in 1929? Could it have been their anger over Israeli aggression in 1967? > And why were 510 Jewish men, women and children slaughtered > > in Arab riots between 1936-39? > > > > Was it because of Arab upset over 1967? And when you, world, > > proposed a U.N. Partition Plan in 1947 that would have created a > > "Palestinian State" alongside a tiny Israel and the Arabs cried "no" and went to war > and killed 6,000 Jews - was that upset caused by the aggression of 1967? And, > > by the way, dear world, why did we not hear your cry of upset, then? > > > > The poor Palestinians who today kill Jews with explosives and firebombs > > and stones are part of the same people who - when they had all the > > territories they now demand be given them for their state - attempted > > to drive the Jewish State in to the sea. The same twisted faces, the same > > hate the same cry of "itbach-al-yahud" massacre the Jew! - that we hear > and see today, were seen and heard then. The same people, the same dream - > > destroy Israel. What they failed to do yesterday, > > they dream of today - but we should not "repress" them... > > > > Dear world, you stood by during the Holocaust and you stood by in 1948 > > as seven states launched a war that the Arab League proudly compared to > the Mongol massacres. You stood by in 1967 as Nasser, wildly cheered by wild > > mobs in every Arab capital in the world, vowed to drive the Jews into the > > sea. And you would stand by tomorrow if Israel were facing extinction. > > > > And since we know that the Arabs-Palestinians daily dream of that > > extinction, we will do everything possible to remain alive in our own > > land. If that bothers you, dear world, well - think of how many times in > > the past you bothered us. > > > > In any event, dear world, if you are bothered by us, here is one Jew in > > Israel who could not care less. > > Dear JMDL members, sorry if this letter upsets you. Laurent . ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 08:15:48 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: new jimdlers as joel gray sang in cabaret: "velcome!" shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:09:38 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc >>Colin wrote: I have looked and looked and still can't see no dick......<< Me neither, Colin, and believe me, I would quite enjoy that. I'll have to check again; I look again every time this comes up. Maybe today will be my lucky day. I moved this weekend. Lots of emotions. No longer next door to my buddy, and had a huge friendship-ending fight with my roomate. And my dad and sister showed up last night for a two day visit on their way to Boston. Is it happy hour yet? Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:10:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: A Birthday Story - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > I am frantically > getting reading for 60 > crazy Joni fans to descend on my doorstep. Weren't you expecting 70-some to begin with? So, it's not so bad after all (tee hee). > But I > wanted to take a minute to > tell you a wonderful Joni-related story .... > I was *sure* at this point it would be a cold day in > hell before "Diana" > would part with a poster that was given to her by > Joni. The salesclerk looked > at me and said, "You happened to ask at a good time- > she is simplifying her > life and getting rid of many belongings." After > about 30 seconds of > negotiating, "Holly" and I were walking back down > the street to Bart's to > hand the poster over to me!! Some things are just *meant* to be, aren't they? Aren't you glad you didn't send your Ashara-lookalike to take Jesse to college? ;) - --------------------------------------------------- Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:12:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Such a gracious welcome! - --- BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > To everyone who responded to my first two postings > on this wonderful list -- > thank you! I already feel at home (maybe except for > the cricket lessons). > lol > > Siquomb and love, Better late than never. Welcome, Walt - you're in good company here. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:14:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: new member, new input-output-electricity - --- patricia van nunen wrote: > Hi,to everyone > > It's never easy.The first time.I'm a new member and > very excited about the > JMDL. > I am a woman of heart and mind, I've been following > your discussions now for > quite some time, and what I feel are good vibes, > Joni-passion, but most of > all a lot of information and new input given by you > all.I feel like coming > home... Welcome to you, Patricia. You've come to the right place. Some are friendly/ Some are cutting/ Some are watching it from the wings... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:22:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Excitement - --- colin wrote: > > If you go to Colin's web > > site you can see some of his previous handiwork. > > ahh um....if you go to my website you will se pics > of my dogs not my > knitwear! > bw > colin Anyone who can KNIT a dog is VERRRRY good. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:26:42 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Fw: a letter from israel NJC The content of the post does not upset me. But PLEASE remember to label off-topic posts as NJC. Thank you. > Dear JMDL members, sorry if this letter upsets you. > > Laurent > . > - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 11:44:53 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:09:38 EDT > From: Reuben3rd@aol.com > Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc > To: > Cc: > Reply-to: Reuben3rd@aol.com > >>Colin wrote: I have looked and looked and still can't see no dick......<< > > Me neither, Colin, and believe me, I would quite enjoy that. I'll have to check again; I look again every time this comes up. Maybe today will be my lucky day. > I can see it if I squint real hard and shake my head quickly from side to side. What is the bracelet supposed to represent on her left wrist? A phallic ring? Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 09:10:58 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Tr: Fw: a letter from israel Dear Laurent, I am a Jew and a supporter of Israel. However I still request that you follow the appropriate format for this list and label your emails containing No Joni Content as NJC. Laurent Olszer wrote: > > > The following was received from an unknown source in Israel. - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:31:29 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) hi randy, i checked with at least two top financial analysts about your quoting george harrison as stating that the pontiff owns 51% of General Motors. This was met with replies as the following: <> apparently, i was told, mr. harrison lost a lawsuit over "my sweet Lord" - it was not his composition, the judge ruled. mr. harrison also, allegedly (according to the claptons), broke the heart of the now wife of eric clapton , george's ex , when he proposed sharing her in a tryst...a proposal he made with friends at the dinner table....this is not to suggest that he is some terrible person not worthy of kindness or consideration...but given that he likes to witness a certain eastern religiosity, he should be more factual when he makes statements about those of other religious persuasions... this is not to deny the heap of corruption in the vatican, especially certain disreputable leaders of past and present, the curia, and the vatican bank...i think some day soon they will get a blast from the Lord Himself "in His sore displeasure" (remember the overthrowing the tables of the money-changers)... in my opinion, there are cardinals and bishops who are rogues, to say the kindest that can be said about them,...there are also a few among them who are very reverential and holy...and there's everything in between... it is those few worthy ones that i like to think that joni was asked to play for/with...and for whom dylan accepted the invitation... cheers, shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:08:03 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: Randy Brecker / Michael Brecker ? Joni Trivia I Just bought Jane Monheits newest CD with "A Case of You" It has Michael on the Sax I quess this is the same Michael that played on Joni's "Shadows and Light" . The next question is Michael related to Randy who plays on David Lahm's CD's . Jane does have a young sexy voice and on ACOY the bass has an Jacoesque sound. I would recomend Jane to those who who like Diana Krall or Susannah McCorkle but she still is riding tht tiger's tail. My blue eyes are turning green for those going to the labor day joni fest. Please somebody bring a handycam and video tape it ? Brian Symes NP I Want To Be a Side Man: Frishberg/McCorkle Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:19:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Randy Brecker / Michael Brecker ? Joni Trivia <> Yep...they have recorded in the past as "The Brecker Bros.". <> This is being done, so you'll be able to party vicariously if you like! Bob NP: Bruce, "My Father's House" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 10:23:37 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re: Re: John Kelly NJC Great Cesear's Ghost John plays all the right songs does he have any CD's for sale!. Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:30:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - NJC In a message dated 8/27/01 7:21:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, olszer@xlsecurity.com writes: > HERE'S THE BRIEF FACTS ON THE ISRAELI CONFLICT TODAY... > > (takes 1.5 mins to read) It makes sense and it's not slanted. I'm Jewish and support the state of Israel, but to declare that this list of facts, even assuming they are all facts, is not slanted is preposterous. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:42:07 +0100 From: Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) - ----- Original Message ----- From: shane mattison > > apparently, i was told, mr. harrison lost a lawsuit over "my sweet Lord" - it > was not his composition, the judge ruled. mr. harrison also, alleged I never understood that decision and I don't think it would happen today. The songs are totally different apart from the four notes in the He's So Fine /My Sweet Lord parts. .It was very coincidental, I think. > (according to the claptons), broke the heart of the now wife of eric clapton , > george's ex , when he proposed sharing her in a tryst...a proposal he made > with friends at the dinner table.... Don't know about this. It sounds a bit gossip columny. Philip NP David Axelrod - new one ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:42:55 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. NJC I stayed up late to watch Grace Of My Heart on tv last night. It was a blessed relief when the credits rolled at the end and Costello started singing that tune. Given his range he soars better than he has any right to and he's real intimate on the verses. One of the best performances of a Bacharach song ever I think. I love that flugelhorn too, I think that's what it is anyway.. Just giving my 2 pence worth in favour of my sometimes neighbour. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 14:56:12 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #367 In a message dated 8/27/01 12:04:05 AM, les@jmdl.com writes: << I finally caught John Kelly's Paved Paradise show, or at least most of it - - > > missed the first 15 minutes or so. He says he will debut a new show called > > Shiny Hot Nights this fall. >> God, I'd almost forgotten about John Kelly -- I saw him here in SF in 93(?). Glad to hear he's still doing his Early Joni shtick. He promised way back then he'd eventually start work on the next segment of JM's work. I assume that's what "Shiny Hot Nights" is? Hope he comes out here with it. Since Josie's is closed, I'm not sure where he'd play, but I'm sure he'd find a warm wlecome here. - --"Big" walt breen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:13:54 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc > I look again every time this comes up. Great choice or words here! > Maybe today will be my lucky day. > > I moved this weekend. Lots of emotions. No longer next door to my buddy, and had a huge friendship-ending fight with my roomate. And my dad and sister showed up last night for a two day visit on their way to Boston. Oh dear, i am sory to read this. Not pleasant at all. > > > Is it happy hour yet? > > Reuben - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:18:32 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Excitement > Anyone who can KNIT a dog is VERRRRY good. Oh they just take a bit longer Catherine > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:23:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: The Sound Of Music NJC I have just watched this film again. I have seen it so many times. This time on DVD-my own! It still makes me cry. I haven't before really undertsood why it moves me so. Thinking about it tho today, I think it represents the innocence of childhood for me-until the grownups come along and destroy it for ever.(aprt from that i really enjoy the music and songs!) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 15:31:31 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Tr:Middle East: of interest to us all - NJC In a message dated 8/27/01 10:32:08 AM Pacific Daylight Time, IVPAUL42@aol.com writes: << I'm Jewish and support the state of Israel, but to declare that this list of facts, even assuming they are all facts, is not slanted is preposterous. >> To assume that one can discuss the Middle East and not slant one way or the other is preposterous. Thanks for the hot tip. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 13:05:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: John Kelly Welcome Big Walt! I got to meet John (and have a private concert!) last year when he was staying in my apt. bldg. while appearing in James Joyce's The Dead here in L.A. I'm glad to hear that some jmdler's got to see him recently hoping he will bring Paved Paradise here soon. He played a bit of a CD that he recorded with a friend which was wonderful but I can't recall the title. I heard from him a couple weeks ago and he told me he has a book out that you can get from Amazon.com titled "Performance" which has a chapter on Joni. Here's a link for those interested - http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/089381962X/qid=998942561/sr=1-3/ref=s c_b_3/104-1371571-7129568 Kakki > God, I'd almost forgotten about John Kelly -- I saw him here in SF in 93(?). > Glad to hear he's still doing his Early Joni shtick. He promised way back > then he'd eventually start work on the next segment of JM's work. I assume > that's what "Shiny Hot Nights" is? Hope he comes out here with it. Since > Josie's is closed, I'm not sure where he'd play, but I'm sure he'd find a > warm wlecome here. > > --"Big" walt breen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:14:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: In Praise of TI Les pointed the way to this article: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/940827bb.cfm And it was a nice Timothy White piece about the release of TI. Since I read it this morning, I've been contemplating the record and marvelling over just what a powerful tour-de-force it is. I recall the first time I heard it...I wasn't expecting it to be as powerful as it was, I was really blown away. It's VERY dark, but that's never bothered me. Sunny Sunday has such a complex and interesting chord pregression, and the "snapshot" lyrics are as telling as much as they are mysterious. She says as much between the lines as she does with her words; indeed that's one of Joni's gifts. Telling a specific story yet giving me a scenario I can directly relate to. "Sex Kills" lyrically reminds me of some of the DED material, but musically it's SO much stronger. Joni said that she intended for the music to be more upbeat as the lyrics were so bleak. I'd love to hear it taken up a couple more notches, I love the "angry" feel she gives this one in a live setting. "How Do You Stop" is sort of the sore thumb for me...it's a pretty enough song (her duet w/Seal on his record is stronger), but I don't see where it fits thematically with the rest of the record. Maybe it's directed towards Klein, like "Last Chance Lost" (?) Anyway, one can look at the lyrics and know that Joni didn't write it...not that it's BAD, just not up to her speed. "Magdalene Laundries" & "Not To Blame" are specific in terms of their addressing cruelty towards women. Both are heartbreaking...always hard for me to hear "They just stuffed her in a hole..." and not break into tears. "Borderline", like "Sex Kills", is a scathing lyrical composition set to an almost lilting melodic line, making for an interesting juxtaposition...some of Joni's best lyrics and rhyme schemes in this song. She starts it talking about "Everybody" and by the end of the song she's addressing it to one person. Again, "Yvette", like "Sunny Sunday" is another example of how Joni applies the painter's touch to her writing...vivid images, almost impossible to listen to this song and not see specific sights in your mind. WOuld have made an interesting video using subtle suggestive images as opposed to merely acting out the storyline. And again, what she DOESN'T SAY is just as interesting as what she does! "The Sire of Sorrows" is a masterpiece in the same way "Paprika Plains" & "Judgement of the Moon & Stars" are, in my mind anyway. Such an epic lyrical sweep as she details the classic story of suffering without sin. Joni's probably (make that definitely) the only writer who could have composed this. Anyway, just some random thoughts about Joni's '94 masterwork...I'd love to hear some other thoughts as well. Did she "invent" new tunings for some of these songs? It sure sounds like it to me. Bob NP: Talking Heads, "Life During Wartime" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:47:37 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) I'm not sure if you realize this but those lines were quoted from a song. He was making a point poetically about organized religion and obviously bending the facts. If your interested the complete song is below. As for the other statements you made I won't comment on them as I don't know how factual they are but as far as I know Eric Clapton has not been with Patie Boyd for many many years. Ken Awaiting On You All __________________ You don't need no love in You don't need no bed pan You don't need a horoscope or a microscope The see the mess that you're in If you open up your heart You will know what I mean We've been polluted so long Now here's a way for you to get clean By chanting the names of the lord and you'll be free The lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see Chanting the names of the lord and you'll be free The lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see You don't need no passport And you don't need no visas You don't need to designate or to emigrate Before you can see Jesus If you open up your heart You'll see he's right there Always was and will be He'll relieve you of your cares By chanting the names of the lord and you'll be free The lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see Chanting the names of the lord and you'll be free The lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see You don't need no church house And you don't need no Temple You don't need no rosary beads or them books to read To see that you have fallen If you open up your heart You will know what I mean We've been kept down so long Someone's thinking that we're all green And while the Pope owns 51% of General Motors And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us The lord is awaiting on you all to awaken and see By chanting the names of the lord and you'll be free shane mattison wrote: > hi randy, > i checked with at least two top financial analysts about your quoting > george harrison as stating that the pontiff owns 51% of General Motors. This > was met with replies as the following: > < this fact to the SEC. Therefore, you can check GMs SEC filings > http://quote.fool.com/sec/sec.asp?currticker=gm&symbols=gm -- but, Ill save > you the trouble, no one person or institution owns half of GM. That is not > to say the Catholic Church is not an investor, Im not sure, however, they are > not listed as a top institutional owner  this would indicate that if they are > shareholders, they own less than .61% of outstanding shares  thats a long > way from half. However, I would be surprised if they did not invest in > stocks in general. Of course this is just as true for any other large > religious or non-religious not-for-profit organization. > > This is not to say Mr. Harrison did not say it, I don't know that either, but > just because your famous doesn't mean you know what you are talking about.>> > > apparently, i was told, mr. harrison lost a lawsuit over "my sweet Lord" - it > was not his composition, the judge ruled. mr. harrison also, allegedly > (according to the claptons), broke the heart of the now wife of eric clapton , > george's ex , when he proposed sharing her in a tryst...a proposal he made > with friends at the dinner table....this is not to suggest that he is some > terrible person not worthy of kindness or consideration...but given that he > likes to witness a certain eastern religiosity, he should be more factual when > he makes statements about those of other religious persuasions... > > this is not to deny the heap of corruption in the vatican, especially certain > disreputable leaders of past and present, the curia, and the vatican bank...i > think some day soon they will get a blast from the Lord Himself "in His sore > displeasure" (remember the overthrowing the tables of the money-changers)... > in my opinion, there are cardinals and bishops who are rogues, to say the > kindest that can be said about them,...there are also a few among them who are > very reverential and holy...and there's everything in between... > it is those few worthy ones that i like to think that joni was asked to play > for/with...and for whom dylan accepted the invitation... > > cheers, > > shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:35:10 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) hello ken, thankyou for showing me the whole song... i'll admit that, though incorrect about GM, it was a poetic point, which in context with the whole song...leaves a more favourable impression... shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 16:43:04 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) hello philip, thankyou for your views on the 'copying lawsuit' that went against george, but which might, as you say, been unfair... i can believe this...as many court decisions have been unfair before ... your other point i appreciate too, for although the statement was made by Mrs. Clapton, George was not there to defend himself... it was unnecessary to pull out big cannons when all was needed was to point out the real situation with GM... all the best, shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 19:06:50 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Gattaca (md) Anyone ever see this movie. Got any opinions on it ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:12:42 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Gattaca (md) I thought it was a fun movie. Reminded me of Brave New World and other books/movies like it. Paz on 8/27/01 4:06 PM, MDESTE1@aol.com at MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Anyone ever see this movie. Got any opinions on it ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:07:24 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC Re: Red House Painters covers Yes/Cars OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I gotta hear THIS. Paz (hint hint) on 8/27/01 5:38 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > And speaking of Yes covers, the late great Kevin Gilbert does a spot-on > version of "Siberian Khatru" that made my jaw hit the floor!! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:15:29 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: pontiff, GM, Mr. Harrison (njc) Yeah, as pointed out, I don't think George was being literal about the pope in 1970, maybe just questioning the notion that religiousity comes from institutions, as opposed to a personal experience. But then I guess you'd have to ask him. As to the plagarism lawsuit which he lost, he did admit that he may have 'subconsciously' lifted the song 'He's So Fine'. They are very similar in chord structure and melody. Paul McCartney later said he should have known better, meaning perhaps he knew he was taking a chance by not crediting the original songwriter(s), which would have averted the problem. I don't think anyone can speculate on the relationship between George and Patti. He met her filming "A Hard Day's Night". A few years later she left him to be with his best friend, Eric Clapton for whatever reason. George and Eric have remained friends. (more >>) shane mattison wrote: > this is not to deny the heap of corruption in the vatican, especially > certain disreputable leaders of past and present, the curia, and the > vatican bank...i think some day soon they will get a blast from the > Lord Himself "in His sore displeasure" (remember the overthrowing the > tables of the money-changers)...in my opinion, there are cardinals and > bishops who are rogues, to say the kindest that can be said about > them,...there are also a few among them who are very reverential and > holy...and there's everything in between...it is those few worthy ones > that i like to think that joni was asked to play for/with...and for > whom dylan accepted the invitation... I guess some people see a man who is God's representative in this world. Others see an old guy in a dress who is head of the world's largest cult. Until God settles the argument, that's where I'll leave it. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 18:22:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music NJC > I have just watched this film again. I have seen it so many times. This > time on DVD-my own! It still makes me cry. I haven't before really > undertsood why it moves me so. Thinking about it tho today, I think it > represents the innocence of childhood for me-until the grownups come > along and destroy it for ever.(aprt from that i really enjoy the music > and songs!) I have this on DVD as well and I have to say I enjoyed it immensely when I watched it. I saw this movie about 7 times when it was first released. My home town had an old music hall type theatre that had been converted to a movie theatre. It had a big, wide screen and some of my most treasured memories are seeing movies at the Grand. I also performed on its stage when the high school moved their summer musical productions to the Grand. That was a long time ago. sigh. But back to The Sound of Music. Edward and I bought it on video years ago and I never watched it much. It really seems to lose a lot in the pan & scan format. For some reason it seemed a lot cornier and I wondered if I'd outgrown it. But watching the widescreen format on the DVD, all the splendor of that widescreen photography came back to me & I could remember how wonderful seeing this movie in the theatre really was. Salzburg, the Alps, the Von Trapp villa, the church where the wedding was filmed - all breathtaking. And Julie Andrews was so wonderful with her fresh, young face and that beautifully crystal clear soprano voice singing that great Rogers & Hammerstein score. I sometimes pine for what the film of 'My Fair Lady' could have been if only.... (Oh well. It was pretty wonderful anyway. It's hard to say anything bad about Audrey Hepburn). And I have to admit, Christopher Plummer was pretty easy on the eyes in those days! Someday I hope to see a restored, pristine print of 'The Sound of Music' in an actual movie theatre again. I'll probably cry like a baby if it ever happens. I did when I watched the DVD. I think that a lot of what made this movie so popular was the fact that it had a bittersweet ending. If the ending had been a purely happy one, I don't think it would have had the impact that it did. A family of charming, good-looking, talented people has to leave their homeland forever, but they escape from the Nazis. How can you lose with that one? One more thing & then I'll shut up about 'The Sound of Music'. I was looking at a People magazine '50 most eligible bachelors' or some such slop edition while waiting for Travis at his dentist's office recently. One of the bachelors was a grandson of Baron & Maria Von Trapp! He was pretty easy on the eyes, too! Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2001 20:44:13 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Fw: The Sound Of Music NJC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dolphie Bush" To: "Mark or Travis" Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:39 PM Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music NJC > Mark, thanks for that message. I read Colin's earlier and did not think > that much about it but yours took me away. I grew up in Muleshoe, Texas in > the 60's. Saw that movie at the local theater with my big sister Marnita. > The theater was packed. Smells of popcorn and youth have all come back. > The vista, the screen with all that beautiful scenery on it and then Julie, > twirling and whirling around upon the top of the mountain. My sweet sister > has died and gone away but you brought her back to me for just a moment. > Thanks!! > I was too little at the time to notice C. Plummer too much but in later > years I wished I was Julie plenty of times. Here's hoping you have a great > night. Mack > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark or Travis" > To: "colin" ; "joni" > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 8:22 PM > Subject: Re: The Sound Of Music NJC > > > > > I have just watched this film again. I have seen it so many times. > > This > > > time on DVD-my own! It still makes me cry. I haven't before really > > > undertsood why it moves me so. Thinking about it tho today, I think > > it > > > represents the innocence of childhood for me-until the grownups come > > > along and destroy it for ever.(aprt from that i really enjoy the > > music > > > and songs!) > > > > I have this on DVD as well and I have to say I enjoyed it immensely > > when I watched it. I saw this movie about 7 times when it was first > > released. My home town had an old music hall type theatre that had > > been converted to a movie theatre. It had a big, wide screen and some > > of my most treasured memories are seeing movies at the Grand. I also > > performed on its stage when the high school moved their summer musical > > productions to the Grand. That was a long time ago. sigh. > > > > But back to The Sound of Music. Edward and I bought it on video years > > ago and I never watched it much. It really seems to lose a lot in the > > pan & scan format. For some reason it seemed a lot cornier and I > > wondered if I'd outgrown it. But watching the widescreen format on > > the DVD, all the splendor of that widescreen photography came back to > > me & I could remember how wonderful seeing this movie in the theatre > > really was. Salzburg, the Alps, the Von Trapp villa, the church where > > the wedding was filmed - all breathtaking. And Julie Andrews was so > > wonderful with her fresh, young face and that beautifully crystal > > clear soprano voice singing that great Rogers & Hammerstein score. I > > sometimes pine for what the film of 'My Fair Lady' could have been if > > only.... (Oh well. It was pretty wonderful anyway. It's hard to say > > anything bad about Audrey Hepburn). And I have to admit, Christopher > > Plummer was pretty easy on the eyes in those days! > > > > Someday I hope to see a restored, pristine print of 'The Sound of > > Music' in an actual movie theatre again. I'll probably cry like a > > baby if it ever happens. I did when I watched the DVD. I think that > > a lot of what made this movie so popular was the fact that it had a > > bittersweet ending. If the ending had been a purely happy one, I > > don't think it would have had the impact that it did. A family of > > charming, good-looking, talented people has to leave their homeland > > forever, but they escape from the Nazis. How can you lose with that > > one? > > > > One more thing & then I'll shut up about 'The Sound of Music'. I was > > looking at a People magazine '50 most eligible bachelors' or some such > > slop edition while waiting for Travis at his dentist's office > > recently. One of the bachelors was a grandson of Baron & Maria Von > > Trapp! He was pretty easy on the eyes, too! > > > > Mark E ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #368 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?