From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #366 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 366 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 25 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: August 25 [les@jmdl.com] A baseball/Scots joke NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Shreck, schmek, dreck NJC ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: A baseball/Scots joke NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Shreck, schmek, dreck NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: A baseball/Scots joke NJC [colin ] Re: love njc [colin ] Fw: New Joni Book ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. ["Mike Hicks" ] Re: Freudian Hejira [colin ] Songs For Aging Children [Jerry Notaro ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #364 [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #365 [BigWaltinSF@aol.com] Poppa and Gage mvie reviews NJC [Vince Lavieri ] RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #365 ["Wally Kairuz" ] John Kelly ["Deb Messling" ] Re: A baseball/Scots joke NJC [long] [dsk ] Re: Lisa's story "I Met Joni Mitchell" NJC, long [Michael Paz ] Re: Siquomb [dsk ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:26:39 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 25 On August 25 in Joni Mitchell History: 1969: Joni and Crosby, Stills, and Nash begin a seven-night engagement at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles. Joni is the opening act. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690826lat.cfm 1979: Joni performs at Forest Hills in New York. "Buoyed by a strong band, and in very good voice, Joni Mitchell was in complete command in the open air setting of Forest Hills Tennis Stadium on this serene mid-summer's night. Her singing was confident and unforced. The band followed her leadership flawlessly - even the obligatory solos of Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius and Michael Brecker seemed to complement the musical flow. And the highly enthusiastic audience was swept along, so much so that the usual shouted suggestions were kept to a minimum." More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/NYC79.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 03:26:39 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: August 25 On August 25 this article was published: 1979: "The New Joni Mitchell" - Washington Post (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790825wp.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 631 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:57:55 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: A baseball/Scots joke NJC Debra, What's all this talk of 'routine infield outs', 'One batter draws a walk', 'baserunner' and people having 'four balls'. Unless there is an immediate translation for the brits, someone over in the UK (Azeem?) will be writing to explain the ins and outs of reverse sweeps, googlies and flippers.You have been warned. Mike in Barcelona, where it's getting hotter... and the Football (Soccer) Season begins today. Viva la liga! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:00:16 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: Shreck, schmek, dreck NJC Rumour has it, as they say, that owing to the great success of 'Shrek' in the cinemas of the world, the eponymous hero of said movie has been contracted to make 3 more films, the first of which will be a spoof remake of Dean Martin's James Bond spoof 'The Shreking Crew'. The soundtrack will include Dave Edmunds' 'Crawling from the Shreckage', 'The Shrek of the Edmund Fitzgerald' by the Shuffle Demons, 'Shreking Ball' by Emmylou Harris, a new song by Shrekless Eric, Paul Robeson's 'Ogre the Mountains', and the traditional sea shanty 'My Bonnie Lies Ogre the Ocean'. Staying with the nautical theme, the cover of the soundtrack album will feature, as I suppose you will have guessed by now, 'The Shrek of the Medusa' by Jericho, err, make that Gericault. I am unable to confirm that the character played by Eddie Murphy will be appearing in a new version of Cervantes' classic 'Donkey Jote' as negotiations are still under way. Sorry but I couldn't resist this; all this talk of the meaning of love, comfort and melancholy is getting too much for me. Mike in a very humid Barcelona P.S. Anyone out there know what to do if your active desktop won't allow you access to Internet explorer or Windows explorer? I can send messages via e-mail but cannot surf the web or use Word 2000. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 07:36:43 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: A baseball/Scots joke NJC In a message dated 25/08/01 11:10:28 GMT Daylight Time, ink08@hotmail.com writes: << Debra, What's all this talk of 'routine infield outs', 'One batter draws a walk', 'baserunner' and people having 'four balls'. Unless there is an immediate translation for the brits, someone over in the UK (Azeem?) will be writing to explain the ins and outs of reverse sweeps, googlies and flippers.You have been warned. >> Hey, happy to oblige! A reverse sweep is a very tricky shot, in which the bat is swung from leg to off instead of off to leg, so that the ball ends up going down to third man instead of fine leg. A googly is an off break which looks like a leg break (bowled from the back of the hand); and a flipper is - I think - one bowled by a leg spinner that doesn't "break" but bounces a little higher. Glad to have cleared that one up for y'all :-) Azeem in Sunny London ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 08:24:01 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Shreck, schmek, dreck NJC - --- Mike Pritchard wrote: > > P.S. Anyone out there know what to do if your active > desktop won't allow you > access to Internet explorer or Windows explorer? I > can send messages via > e-mail but cannot surf the web or use Word 2000. Throw your PC out the window - works for me! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:49:53 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: A baseball/Scots joke NJC > Hey, happy to oblige! A reverse sweep is a very tricky shot, in which the > bat is swung from leg to off instead of off to leg, so that the ball ends up > going down to third man instead of fine leg. A googly is an off break which > looks like a leg break (bowled from the back of the hand); and a flipper is - > I think - one bowled by a leg spinner that doesn't "break" but bounces a > little higher. Than you so much for this clarification, Azeem. > > > Glad to have cleared that one up for y'all :-) > > Azeem in Sunny London - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 13:50:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: love njc Kate Bennett wrote: > >>Too true. It takes a life time of discovery and release. Some of us are > very > lucky. <<< > > Yes, i think that is where grace comes in... as in amazing.... yes I think so too. I used to wonder(and feel bad) why some of the people I know didn't make it. Why did I? Garce about somes it up I guess. > > > > ******************************************** > > Kate Bennett > > www.katebennett.com > > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > > ******************************************** - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 15:10:14 +0100 From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Fw: New Joni Book I found this from and earlier post. I remember Karen writing to us asking us about stuff. I replied. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen O'Brien" To: Sent: 09 January 2001 19:09 Subject: New Joni Book > Following my recent post, Ive had a couple of queries off-list asking > for more details about my book on JM. Its called "Joni Mitchell: > Shadows and Light" and will be published by Virgin Books in October this > year and distributed internationally. I see it as a reappraisal of > Jonis hugely influential body of work , which I think has so often been > undervalued or misunderstood, and a celebration of her music and her > visual art . It is not an authorised biography but is being done with > the full knowledge of Joni and her management; Joni has been very kind > and allowed members of her close circle to talk to me including Larry > Klein and Graham Nash. She will also have the opportunity to see the > manuscript before publication. > > Thanks for your interest, > Karen ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 11:27:13 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. > From: "denknee" > To: > Subject: Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:52:12 -0400 > Reply-to: "denknee" > And like the Gold CD of 'C&S', they break up the seque between "People's > Parties" and "The Same Situation". > For any hard core collector, if there are any Quad discs available by a > favourite artist, ya gotta get it. They were notorious for using different > mixes or takes. I have the quad Dark Side of the Moon and it is unbelievable how different it sounds. I have to say it was most enjoyable. I like it better than the MFSL cd I have. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 12:13:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: TNT It was announced today that TNT is putting out a DVD, cd, and video of the Brian Wilson ALL Star Tribute. Maybe, just maybe....... Jerry np: Mary Chapin Carpenter - Downtown ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 17:17:33 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Freudian Hejira I showed John the cover and he saw it immediately. I still don't thuink it is that obvious. I can see the part you are all referring to-the braclet-but it is a rathe rodd looking penis if you ask me. It looks more like her wrist with a bangle on, with pasrt of the hand, the rest being in her trousers. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 14:07:51 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Songs For Aging Children Read with Joni content at http://www.judycollins.com/products.html Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 20:46:29 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #364 Hi, everyone, I'm a new member, and I've had a lot of laughs reading all the stuff about the penis in the Hejira cover. I finally figured out said penis=her left wrist; but I have to force the translation of the image -- when I look, I still see wrist. And I'm gay! Anyway, all you people seem nice, and it's great to hear my hero discussed with such enthusiasm and in such detail. -- BigWaltinSF @aol In a message dated 8/24/01 8:11:57 PM, les@jmdl.com writes: << Honest to God, I thought it was a phallus the very first time I looked at the album cover. Then again, I was right out of art school where a lot of people were doing this kind of thing and it was the 70's afterall. I remember feeling a bit frumpy about it - thinking that Joni was trying too hard to be "arty." ;-) It never occured to me that it was her wrist until I was given that perspective here on the list. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 21:06:59 EDT From: BigWaltinSF@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #365 Again, I'm new here. I noticed that each newsletter ends with "Siquomb, isn't she?" I know (or at least I think) her first record label was "Siquomb", but it never occured to me to wonder what it meant. - --BigWaltinSF@aol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 22:53:12 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Poppa and Gage mvie reviews NJC Movie reviews: Major Payne - dumb plot wit many unthought-through cliches, obscenity and vulgarity, violence, script problems, one very touching use of Aretha's "I Ain't Ever Loved a Man (that way that I love you)" but too many unbelievable characters. My 6 year old grandson thought the version of little engine that could was extremely funny (which includes a guy getting his legs blown off, "if you can't hobble on those stumps, I have to leave you behind") I was really repulsed by it. Do not see it; do not see it with children. Poppa: big thumbs down Gage: big thumbs up Dude, Where's the Car - many continuity problems so at least you have something to look forward to while watching, the next continuity error - where will the next be? In the hand of skilled screenwriters and directors, this had great potential, ala the Airplane or Police Squad movies.. However, Dude,,, was made by unskilled labor. A whole lot of sexual content for a movie marketed to kids, and the climax (so to speak) is disgusting in a moral sense for implying that happiness and love are fond in increasing the size of a woman's breasts. Poppa: big thumbs down, while recognizing we will use the 'dude' and 'sweet' routine for years. Gage: thumbs up. Best movie of the year (to date): Shrek Second best movie of the year (to date); Shrek Worst movie of the year (to date): The Animal Second worst movie of the year: currently being debated Best movie all time: Titanic (which we have seen dozens of times, thanks to DVD) other recommendations to see: Recess, Dinosaurs, Rugrats go to Paris favorite standbys: Charlie Brown videos and the Kirov doing the Nutcracker on video of same name ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:21:51 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2001 #365 hey baby!!! i'm a big walt too... in buenos aires!!!! how about that... siquomb means ''she is queen undisputable of mind beauty''. so... siquomb, ain't she? welcome, xoxo wallybear - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de BigWaltinSF@aol.com Enviado el: Sabado, 25 de Agosto de 2001 10:07 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #365 Again, I'm new here. I noticed that each newsletter ends with "Siquomb, isn't she?" I know (or at least I think) her first record label was "Siquomb", but it never occured to me to wonder what it meant. - --BigWaltinSF@aol ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:20:39 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: John Kelly I finally caught John Kelly's Paved Paradise show, or at least most of it - missed the first 15 minutes or so. He says he will debut a new show called Shiny Hot Nights this fall. He will play a a series of dates at the Fez in NYC, and he will be playing a VG-8. - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:42:47 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: A baseball/Scots joke NJC [long] Mike Pritchard wrote: > > Debra, What's all this talk of 'routine infield outs', 'One batter draws a > walk', 'baserunner' > and people having 'four balls'. Unless there is an immediate translation for > the brits, someone over in the UK (Azeem?) will be writing to explain the > ins and outs of reverse sweeps, googlies and flippers.You have been warned. LOL! I've just gotten home and see there's already more info from my favorite cricket teacher, Azeem. Such a fascinating game, and so unruly with batters hitting any-which-way, anywhere they choose, and pitchers (ok, bowlers) charging like bulls sometimes and then flinging almost their whole body toward the batter. Wild men! Looks like a veritable free-for-all on the field. And then sometimes they all gather quietly near the batter like it's time for a meditation session. And none of them ever have four balls. It's impossible for them really. The manly men of baseball, though, can even have a base on balls!!!, which is probably why they so often "adjust" themselves, especially when the tv camera is in for a closeup. So as for the high-energy Scotsman's experience (and at the risk of telling you way more than you want to know once I get started)... in the joke it's obviously a (momentary) ho-hum time of the game where not much is happening. It's probably early in the game and people in the stands are chatting, passing beers, hotdogs, money, napkins, and change between the vendors in the aisle and the people sitting in the middle of the row (it's a communual undertaking), filling out the scorecard with the lineup... that kind of thing... talking about work, I'd probably say to my companion something about how beautiful the field looks and then he'd certainly say "you say that every time we come here", and I'd say, "yeah, I know, I'll probably say it next time too", whatever, and the guys on the field are hitting little tappers into the infield, which is the area inside the bases, so it's easy for one of the infielders (a baseman or shortstop or even the pitcher) to catch the ball and toss it over to first base before the runner can get to it, thereby getting that runner out. Ho hum when that keeps happening. No smack of the bat sounds, no suspense or split second twisty double plays, no throws from the outfield zapping into homeplate just as the runner comes screeching sliding in... Oh, you weren't asking about the EXPERIENCE? Just the definitions? Oh. So all of the easy catches and tosses over to first base are routine infield outs. A batter draws a walk when the pitcher has thrown him four pitches that are outside the strike zone (such a pitch is called a "ball"; there ya go, there's the four balls). The strike zone is the area between the batter's shoulders and knees, and the width of homeplate (12 inches across I think). The pitcher is trying to get the batter out by throwing three strikes, which don't have to be consecutive (there are other ways to get a batter out, but it's very efficient if the pitcher can do it). The four balls don't have to be consecutive, either, although it's especially sad when a pitcher does that, unless it's on purpose if a hot homerun hitter is up and there are runners on base and the manager would rather let that hitter walk to first than take a chance that he could get all the runners in... hmmm, where was I? Is it becoming any clearer? A baserunner is any player who's gotten on base, either by drawing a base on balls (also known as a walk, and the player usually just trots or even literally walks to first base then, no need to rush, since the ball's not live he's not "racing" it to the base), or hitting the ball and no one could catch it after it hits the ground and throw it to the teammate covering the base (usually first) before the hitter gets there by running as fast as he can. If a player in the field catches a hit ball before it's touched the ground, it's a fly ball, and then the hitter is automatically out. That happens a lot. Seems a little confusing. There are balls, and then there's the "ball", the actual physical baseball, and then there's a "ball", which is a kind of pitch. Four of those and the batter walks. Apologies to all Americans, both North and South, and also Japanese list members who probably know all about this already. And, Mike, if you or anyone else have never seen a baseball diamond or watched a game and you've read this far through what will be complete gibberish, well, that shows admirable perseverance through chaos, or something like that. atb, Debra Shea NP: On tv, my Mets playing the San Francisco Giants. Mets 2, Giants 2, into extra innings... it might be a very long game. - ------------------- A Scotsman is visiting the United States for the first time and decides to take in a baseball game. As the game progresses, he tries to pick up the way the game is played so he can cheer the teams on accordingly, but at first nothing much happens, just a couple of routine infield outs. Finally one batter draws a walk. As the batter walks to first base, the Scotsman, excited that now maybe something is finally happening, yells at the top of his voice "RRRUNN, LADDIE. RRRUNN! RRRUNN!" All heads within earshot of him turn to stare at him. The Scotsman sits down, totally embarassed. The spectator next to him tries to explain to him "That's OK, it means he has four balls." The Scotsman stands up and yells to the baserunner "WALK WITH PRIDE, LADDIE. WALK WITH PRIDE!" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 23:50:13 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Lisa's story "I Met Joni Mitchell" NJC, long Thank you Jim for that report and yes it is confirmed, Lisa is this weeks winner of the AlisonE look alike contest. Of course I am refering the "young bizaro alison" as opposed to the ever popular "wanker alison". ;-} lol. Paz on 8/23/01 8:29 PM, jlamadoo, home account at jlamadoo@fuse.net wrote: > Thanks to Los Angeles' Kakki for posting the link to Google's image > searching engine. I found a page of a kindred heart that some of us may > recognize as belonging in the chest of many jmdlers. Here's Lisa's story: > **** > http://www.arends-sons.com/~amyo/lisa/joni.html ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 00:02:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: John Kelly Correction Deb, he will be playing the VG-88. I am gonna be working with him trying to convert some of my VG-8 presets that I have programmed over to the VG-88 format. Hopefully I will save him alot of time and effort ion his programming endeavours. Michael on 8/25/01 8:20 PM, Deb Messling at messling@enter.net wrote: > I finally caught John Kelly's Paved Paradise show, or at least most of it - > missed the first 15 minutes or so. He says he will debut a new show called > Shiny Hot Nights this fall. He will play a a series of dates at the Fez in > NYC, and he will be playing a VG-8. > > ----------------------------------- > Deb Messling =^..^= > ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Aug 2001 01:16:26 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Siquomb Hi Walt, Welcome! You've already seen that we talk about lots of things here, although it often starts with Joni and usually works its way back to her. Siquomb is an acronym for "she is queen undisputed of mind beauty" which is one of the characters in a mythology she wrote long ago, and which we've taken as a title for Joni herself. I think Siquomb was the name of her first music-publishing company, rather than her record label, but I may be wrong about that. So, join right in... first Joni? favorite Joni? It's always great hearing from newcomers. atb, Debra Shea in NYC BigWaltinSF@aol.com wrote: > > Again, I'm new here. I noticed that each newsletter ends with "Siquomb, > isn't she?" I know (or at least I think) her first record label was > "Siquomb", but it never occured to me to wonder what it meant. > --BigWaltinSF@aol ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #366 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?