From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #365 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, August 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 365 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: new jersey/exams njc [Randy Remote ] NJC [Vince Lavieri ] love njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Hair NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] paul from the bible njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. ["denknee" ] Re: hejira phallic njc [Rick and Susan ] Re: a boast NJC [colin ] Re: love njc [colin ] RE: love njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Freudian Hejira [Tyler Hewitt ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 20:10:46 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: new jersey/exams njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > i know this will sound so weird. does anybody know what kind of tests a > dentist has to pass to be able to work in new jersey? dental exam? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:40:20 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC In the time that I have been a member of this list - since after the 1998 Joni tour when I subscribed so that I would know of any future tours and never miss one again - there have been many people on this list who have been very kind to me. I can never thank everyone enough. I know that I am not even bright enough or gracious enough to remember everyone who has been good to me. I have been sitting here thinking of all the many kindnesses that have been shown to me and the list keeps growing as I remember more and more. It is amazing. People have sent me videotapes, cds, shirts, pictures, drawings, gifts, and a lot of friendship. When I ran for a local race in the last election, I received financial support from folks in the JMDL. People have been willing to travel to meet me, just because they are good people and wanted to express the community that exists in the JMDL. I am sitting here thinking on these things and the list of people who have been good to me keeps growing. I am literally sitting in my living room surrounded by tangible evidence of the goodness of folks in the JMDL. And that doesn't include the intangible goodness that I have received from this community. And I also have to admit to myself that I have done little in response and I am ashamed, sorry, embarrassed. So for the past 8 months the videotape of the movie Grace of My Heart has been for sale at my local videostore. Obtuse as I am, it takes until yesterday to think, I should buy this and find a good home for it because of so many folks have been good to me. I have secured a good home for the videotape and now it makes me want to do more. Thank you my friends. This post has no other purpose than to say what I have just said. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:11:57 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: love njc oh, i think there are so many different kinds of love...the greeks have several different words for love... why we love people we shouldn't... in my experience is due to our early relationships with our parents or caregivers & our pure intense child love for them in spite of the fact that on their adult end there often is some disfunction going on which we then emotionally imprint as love...this can take years & wisdom to finally understand & resolve... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:11:55 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Hair NJC well i was hoping someone else had seen it before it hit the big time to help me remember what i saw! lol. those were the daze. anyway...it was in a small dark theatre that held maybe 100 folks in chairs...maybe folding chairs...the stage wasn't that high so it was almost like a workshop kind of production...those were the days of "happenings" when the line between life & art was definately muddled... the cast was in the audience a lot & at one point handed out sugar cubes...those were the daze when people normally did that to large groups of people in parks & such & of course usually they contained psychedelics in them...the naive never taken psychedelics before young hippy chicklet that I was ...ate my sugar cube!!!! ...fortunately nothing happened...or did it? I CAN'T REMEMBER! anyway i do remember there was no nudity it this show but when it hit the big time stage, my parents who loved broadway plays took me to see it in San Francisco!!! sweet now that i think of how they were trying to reach out to their hippy daughter who ran away to go to woodstock but WAS I EMBARRASED sitting next to my parents when everyone took off their clothes!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:23:18 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: paul from the bible njc i have heard many people say things about paul that are not positive...at the risk of bringing up religion & starting wars i must add that it is my impression that some/lots? of christianity leans heavily on paul's experience rather than jesus's teachings... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 01:52:12 -0400 From: "denknee" Subject: Elvis' voice and Joni Quad discs. I LOVE Elvis Costello's singing on 'Painted From Memory'. It's like he's singing those songs like Dionne would have sung them. Her voice is too shot these days to do those songs any justice, anyway. Like Joni, she's destroyed her instrument with cigarettes. I'll take a strained and/or a bum note sung with passion over a technically perfect, yet soulless note any day. I think Elvis' strain give the songs tension. But that's my layman's opinion, but I had to voice it, all due respect, Fred. I have two Quad albums by Joni. "Court and Spark" and "Hissing..." Yes, Phil, sometimes they used different takes or mixes for Quad albums. You should hear "Raised on Robbery" on the quad disc. They wiped out most of the backup vocals that gave it so much character! You would've thought they would have played-up the use of the vocals by placing them more towards the back speakers or something, but, no.... they just wiped them out! Most bizarre. And like the Gold CD of 'C&S', they break up the seque between "People's Parties" and "The Same Situation". For any hard core collector, if there are any Quad discs available by a favourite artist, ya gotta get it. They were notorious for using different mixes or takes. - -denknee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:53:24 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc Debra wrote: > Once it was mentioned, though... yep, there it was, big and bold, > front and center. Well, how about that? Hmmm, the power of the > subconcious... A similar thing happened to me a while ago when I made a clay chess set for a female friend. I proudly showed her the finished (but unglazed) pieces which I had fashioned in what I thought was a comical militaristic style only to have her say, "But, umm, why do all the pawns look like little penises?" Sure enough, their little helmets and tubular bodies made them the exact image of marching penises, a connection I had been totally unaware of. Needless to say I could only see them as penises from that moment on. They never got finished. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:24:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: a boast NJC > > mmm.....I'll have to think about it...... > > > > If the price is right, go for it! It's great to be > paid for something you love doing. that last sentenceof mine was tongue in cheek. of course I am going to do it. The price has little to do with it! You are right, I love my work. > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 06:29:00 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: love njc > why we love people we shouldn't... in my experience is due to our early > relationships with our parents or caregivers & our pure intense child love > for them in spite of the fact that on their adult end there often is some > disfunction going on which we then emotionally imprint as love...this can > take years & wisdom to finally understand & resolve... Too true. It takes a life time of discovery and release. Some of us are very lucky. My major relationship is so very different from the past relationships(with family) but that troubled stuff still shows itself in the choice of 'friends'-thankfully not so much now! > > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:26:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: love njc >>Too true. It takes a life time of discovery and release. Some of us are very lucky. <<< Yes, i think that is where grace comes in... as in amazing.... > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:30:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Freudian Hejira RE: I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very disrespectful to the artist we all admire. - ------ I dunno, I get the idea that Joni, like so many of us on this list, loves a good stiffy! And frankly, I'm a little alarmed by everyone who sees a penis on the cover of Hejira. Maybe you haven't seen many in person? Makes me think that maybe Freud was right after all, and EVERYTHING IS ABOUT THE PENIS. I've looked at that cover many times, in fact I'm glancing at it as I write this, and Joni's wrist looks nothing like a --WAIT! I can see it! No, now I've lost it. Thought I saw it for a second there. Damn, now I'm scaring myself! This reminds me of Wilson Bryan Key, who in the 70's who went on talk shows with 'proof' that subliminal sexual imagery was being inserted into ads to create desire for products. I remember seeing him present a Howard Johnson's placemat with a picture of fried clams as a picture of an orgy. He wrote a few books as well, you see them turn up in used bookshops and Salvation Army. They're good for a laugh, in the same way that watching Lyndon LaRouche and reading Scientology literature is. ; Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! 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