From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #364 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 364 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: August 24 [les@jmdl.com] new jersey/exams njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] love - njc [PMcfad@aol.com] hejira pahllic njc [PMcfad@aol.com] ln search of love NJC ["colin" ] Quote ["William Waddell" ] George Harrison on the Pope ["William Waddell" ] Re: comfort in melancholyNJC [colin ] Re: new jersey/exams njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: new jersey/exams njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: hejira phallic njc [dsk ] Re: in search of the meaning of birthdays ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] A baseball/Scots joke NJC [dsk ] Hair (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Happy Birthday To You (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Hair (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Hair (NJC) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #259 [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] a boast NJC [colin ] Re: hejira phallic njc [colin ] Re: a boast NJC ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: hejira phallic njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Hair (NJC) ["Kakki" ] phallic question ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Hair (NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: hejira phallic njc [colin ] Re: hejira phallic njc [colin ] Re: phallic question [colin ] phallic njc ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: phallic question [dsk ] grace of my heart NJC [Vince Lavieri ] [none] ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: phallic question [Don Rowe ] phallic question ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Hair (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd [FredNow@aol.com] Re: hejira phallic njc [dsk ] Re: grace of my heart NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: God Give Me Strength/Elvis njc [FredNow@aol.com] Kid Creole and the Coconuts (NJC) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re: a boast NJC ["hell" ] Re: a boast NJC [colin ] Re: Hair (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: hejira phallic njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Hair (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Hair (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: Hair (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hair (NJC) ["Kakki" ] Re: God Give Me Strength/Elvis njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: God Give Me Strength/Elvis njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Hair (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hair (NJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Joni on a soundtrack [Vince Lavieri ] Re: a boast NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: hejira phallic njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Hair (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Joni on a soundtrack - now major payne/pain ergo njc [Catherine McKay] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 03:13:38 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: August 24 On August 24 these articles were published: 1968: "Outside Schwenksville" - Philadelphia Evening Bulletin (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/680824peb.cfm 1996: "Joni Mitchell offers Hits and Misses" - Billboard (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/960824bb.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 631 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:16:27 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: new jersey/exams njc i know this will sound so weird. does anybody know what kind of tests a dentist has to pass to be able to work in new jersey? i swear this is a serious question. thanks in advance. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:04:11 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: love - njc i've spent a lot of time thinking about love. at this point in life...40..not 20...i've come to very few conclusions about love. but the few that i have come to...have become quite strong in conviction. i think love is a state ...or an experience...or a place we visit from time to time. precious times where things click. i think love is very real and very mystical and spiritual. love is spirit. it's invisible. you can't see it...but only it's consequences. mags mentioned paul's piece on love in corinthians and i have always enjoyed that text. so much of paul..or what's attributed to paul i've not liked. but i see paul as a mystic now. paul knew the unseen world which was very very real if not visible. it's an odd thing. i had just spoken to a group about this very thing and concluded alone that night that joni mitchell knows the experience and reality of love and is able to put it in form for us..both audibly and visually. makes the unseen visible. as does the piece in corinthians. as does the people in our lives. i also think colin is right about the conditional aspects of love. this is why i say we visit the place of love but never stay there for good. pat np. nothing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:09:25 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: hejira pahllic njc i read this thread the other day and dismissed it. i thought...there is no phallic on the hejira cover. but then i went to work and pulled out the disc and looked at it closely. it is an odd appearance. perhaps a coincidence. the hand has a little bone and vein in it that really makes the thing look like a cock. and it just appears out of the road. she had to see it, even if she didn't mean it, and then chose to leave it. plus there's the penelope poem and the boom booms. like they say in ny....it is what it is. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:48:28 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: ln search of love NJC From: Dolphie Bush Date: 24 August 2001 01:52:52 To: joni Subject: the search for love njc Yes, colin, the immediate attraction and then subsequent love for another is most certainly conditional. That is not what you said. You were talking about love after the fact, after someone had been loved or was being loved. I said nothing about the stated love of which I wrote being romantic though that was surely a part of it, but most certainly not limited to that. And besides does it matter? Your love is conditional, mine is not. The stars and sun still shine. I know you said nothing about romantic love but the what you were describing was a romantic idea of love. Like I said if can carry on loving no matter what the object or your love does to you, then you are a saint. No doubt about it! I quite obviously did not explain myself clearly either. I had hoped to get across the idea that whilst my feelings of love(ie romantic for partner friends etc) is conditional. my love for people in general is not. But hat is a detached lvoing. Doing the best for others, not harming or hindering, but enabling growth in a hrealthful way Therefore to stae that my love is conditonal is a misunderstanding. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 04:55:02 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Quote This quote; <"It is cruel, you know, that music should be so beautiful. It has the beauty of loneliness and of pain; of strength and freedom; the beauty of disappointment and never-satisfied love; the cruel beauty of nature, and everlasting beauty of monotony."> wasn't from Joni. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 05:08:14 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: George Harrison on the Pope <<<"While the pope owns 51% of General Motors And the stock exchange is the only thing he's qualified to quote us..." -George Harrison I have a pic from the newspaper of Bob playing for the pope. A reminder of how bizarre things can get. John Paul is looking on>>> Not often a post comes up here with John Paul, George but without that other one. WTS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:04:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: comfort in melancholyNJC << The stress causes the release of a chemial called cortisol which damages the white blood cells in our blood. It harms every cell in the body. >> Perhaps this is one reason why Jesus Christ is referred to as "The Great Physician"...he constantly preached about unlimited forgiveness, certainly not a natural trait for us. Bob NP: Jethro Tull, "Cross-Eyed Mary" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:10:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #362 << Linda and Elvis Costello could be a great project...or at least I think so. Oliver Crum >> Hi Oliver, I don't recall a post from you before, so if it's your first, welcome and thanks for writing! Linda's done Elvis with mixed results, while her voice is STILL one of the best around, her song selections (Allison, Party Girl, Girls Talk) have been a little dubious. She didn't understand the irony of some of the lyrics, apparantly... Anyway, she could take those Burt Bacharach/Elvis tracks and NAIL them. I agree. And I'd buy it without hesitation! Bob NP: The O'Jay's, "Backstabbers" (What they do?!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:37:43 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: comfort in melancholy NJC colin wrote: > << The stress causes the release of a chemial called cortisol which damages > the > white blood cells in our blood. It harms every cell in the body. >> and then Bob: > > > < Physician"...he constantly preached about unlimited forgiveness, certainly > not a natural trait for us.>> > and now me: Lots of stirring of the muse these days, must be all that lack of sleep. (lol) Bob as I read your thoughts about forgiveness, I was drawn back into the thoughts of love some of us have been sharing. I wonder if love is a natural trait? Perhaps one of the reasons why we fall in love is because it feeeeels goooood! Lots of good questions and insights and comments floating around the list about love these days. Is love natural? Do we naturally fall in love with someone? Do we make a conscious decision to love? To stay in love? or not. Why do we fall in love with the people we do? Why do we fall in love with people we know we should not? In my many ponderings about love and what it is and is not and why it happens... I read somewhere that the person we love has much to teach us about something we need to know. To speak of love is to unravel one of the greatest mysteries for me. oh happy day.....only one more week!!! Magsie np: the wind through my maple trees, still. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:25:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: comfort in melancholyNJC SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > << The stress causes the release of a chemial called cortisol which damages > the > white blood cells in our blood. It harms every cell in the body. >> > > Perhaps this is one reason why Jesus Christ is referred to as "The Great > Physician"...he constantly preached about unlimited forgiveness, certainly > not a natural trait for us. there is no doubt at all that hatred, resentment and the like are bad for us and Jesus knew that. > > > Bob > > NP: Jethro Tull, "Cross-Eyed Mary" - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:19:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: new jersey/exams njc In a message dated 8/24/01 2:17:46 AM, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: << does anybody know what kind of tests a dentist has to pass to be able to work in new jersey? >> Gee, Wally, there's the badda-bing test, for one. That's mandatory these days. I also hear that there are frequent Springstein pop-up quizzes which are supposed to be pretty easy because most of the answers are either "Asbury Park" or "Clarence." It also never hurts people who'd like some kind of a future in Jersey to slip our own Rosalita a little "walking around money," if you know what I mean. Sorry to make light of your situation, Wally. I know you're only trying to smuggle someone with good earning potential into the US for Jonifest. Who isn't? XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:29:39 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: new jersey/exams njc In a message dated 8/24/01 10:20:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Murphycopy@aol.com writes: > ." It also never hurts people who'd like some kind of a > future in Jersey to slip our own Rosalita a little "walking around money," > if > you know what I mean. > > That's right Bob, I can use a little bread right now. I may even have to suspend my guitar lessons for a while :0( Rosalita poorer now off to another Accounting agency argh!!! rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:36:36 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc PMcfad@aol.com wrote: > > she had to see it, even if she didn't mean it, and then chose to leave it. Maybe she didn't see it. I looked at that cover hundreds of times and didn't see it as a penis until it was first mentioned on this list over a year ago. And then, oh, yeah, it's obvious all of a sudden (after I managed to wipe the arm with bracelet idea out of my brain). If I recall correctly, it was a big surprise to most of us. One of my first paintings in my first art class was (surprisingly) highly praised and my boyfriend liked it so much I gave it to him. He took it home and he told me his mother had been aghast at the big penis she saw right away in the center. That thing wasn't going over the couch; it was instantly put under it. I was completely surprised at what she saw and so was he. Neither of us had seen the image that way. It was, instead, a painting of little objects such as rubber bands but made huge. Once it was mentioned, though... yep, there it was, big and bold, front and center. Well, how about that? Hmmm, the power of the subconcious... So Joni may have known at the time, but maybe not. Since it's done so naturally my guess is she didn't know. She does like men, after all, so it's not surprising that phallic symbols would show up in what she creates. If she'd deliberately said, ok, one penis needed right here, one cock comin' right up (well, you see how quickly it can get very crude), I can't imagine it would be as gracefully done as it turned out to be (so gracefully done I didn't consciously see it for decades). >like they say in ny....it is what it is. Handy saying. Sometimes, though, it so much is what it is that it's difficult or even impossible to see it another way. Joni knew that was her arm, so even she may not have seen it any other way at the time. I'm sure she knows NOW. Probably got a good laugh from it. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 09:39:15 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: in search of the meaning of birthdays Hello dear boy..... Not to be worried. I had a HEAVY court load and a ton of brief writing to be completed before the Fest. I am beginning to see the light at the end of the tunnel though. And yesterday after I returned from a day in the law library a missive in my post box revealed I had won a case before the high court. It was an easy case for me...but all the same...it was nice to get that decision. I have signed up for tango lessons! I begin September 10. I am taking them with my friend Glen who is worried because he can not dance. I told him if he can walk he can tango. I have not been able to read many of the Joni posts over the past week but I do know we have had a lot of burfdays. So I hope I remember Kakki, Ashara, ummmmmmm Pat?, ummmmmmmwell......you know who you are and if I had of saved those missives I would know who you are. You know how lawyers are...we do not remember squat. One week from today at this time I will be in Boston...if we land on time. I will post this now to go clean my house...friends are coming tonight for dinner...most of us will play songs...and we will watch the Joni Tribute. Peace.......Sharon...arisen from the briefs (that does not sound right) colin wrote: > > I am glad to har from you. I was getting concerned! > colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:51:10 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Quote William Waddell wrote: > > This quote; > > <"It is cruel, you know, that music should be so beautiful. It has the > beauty of loneliness and of pain; of strength and freedom; the beauty of > disappointment and never-satisfied love; the cruel beauty of nature, and > everlasting beauty of monotony."> > > wasn't from Joni. I don't have any idea who's quote this is, but wanted to add that I think it's cruel that music is so elusive, so intangible. It's not the written score, it's not the cd we buy, it's not the performer... it's those sounds that disappear almost as soon as they're made. That's one of its beauties, too... the reminder of time's passing and the constant demand that each moment be appreciated. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:25:47 -0400 From: dsk Subject: A baseball/Scots joke NJC Since I've been reading Willy the Shake's posts lately and re-hearing his Scottish burr, and also since I've been talking about men's anatomy today (the two are unrelated, I think), it seems like a good time to send this joke along: A Scotsman is visiting the United States for the first time and decides to take in a baseball game. As the game progresses, he tries to pick up the way the game is played so he can cheer the teams on accordingly, but at first nothing much happens, just a couple of routine infield outs. Finally one batter draws a walk. As the batter walks to first base, the Scotsman, excited that now maybe something is finally happening, yells at the top of his voice "RRRUNN, LADDIE. RRRUNN! RRRUNN!" All heads within earshot of him turn to stare at him. The Scotsman sits down, totally embarassed. The spectator next to him tries to explain to him "That's OK, it means he has four balls." The Scotsman stands up and yells to the baserunner "WALK WITH PRIDE, LADDIE. WALK WITH PRIDE!" Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 08:30:07 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Hair (NJC) Kate Bennett asked: >Going even further out on a tangent, speaking of Hair...did anyone else >beside me ever see the off Broadway version of Hair? Not off Broadway. I saw the LA production at the Aquarius Theatre twice in...er...'69? I still have the little cards that say "I danced on stage with the cast of 'Hair'". - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:15:23 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Happy Birthday To You (NJC) Ashara Dear- I hope you had a wonderful birthday and you are having a good time on your trip. Rest up now hunny cause it's gettin on time to party. I plan on bringing a flask or two of Geritol for you, cause I KNOW you are gonna need it. Thinking of you at your birthday time reminds me that you were one of the first to be really kind to me here when I was a newbie. The positive vibes the eminate from the tips of your fingers into cyberspace are an inspiration to me. Thank you so much for inviting (insisting, pestering, bugging, pleading) to your home four years ago and changing my life with a wave of your hand. Ever since then I get a strong feeling of going home to the family at this time of year. It's like Thanksgiving, Christmas, and the fourth of July all rolled into one. Looking forward to many hugs and to see your happy face (I kinda like the "what was I thinking face" too). Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 10:17:30 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Hair (NJC) Hi Kate- I saw it in London in 1971. Does that count? It's not ON Broadway!! LoL. It was a great show and I still love the music from it. Michael >Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:10:09 -0700 >From: "Kate Bennett" >Subject: Hair NJC >Going even further out on a tangent, speaking of Hair...did anyone else >beside me ever see the off Broadway version of Hair? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 11:09:56 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) Steve Dulson wrote: > Not off Broadway. I saw the LA production at the Aquarius Theatre > twice in...er...'69? I still have the little cards that say "I > danced on stage with the cast of 'Hair'". Steve...I also saw the LA production at the Aquarius. It was wonderful. :) Peace........Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:16:09 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #259 In a message dated 8/24/01 2:08:10 AM Central Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Okay, yeah, there are a few crackles but vinyl does some things better than the CD's limited specifications allow it to do. >> YES! I completely agree........Vinyl is a golden treasure that many people have tossed to the side...... For instance.........I found a copy of "The Hissing of Summer Lawns --Quad" on Vinyl at a local record store and bought it. I threw it on my turntable and my eyes rolled in he back of my head even as the first cymbals of "In France They Kiss On Main Street" came on.......NOT ONLY was this copy clearer and crisper than my HDCD, BUT it's been mixed differently as well......Now, I don't know if that's because of the Quad mix, but it sounds completely different. And with the exception of "Jungle Line", every song on the album sounds 200 times better than the CD version. Especially "Edith and the KingPin" and the title track (which sound muffled on the cd).......The sound truly sparkles on the vinyl copy. AND, the intro to "Harry's House".... (the airplane landing) is different than the cd copy.......the pitch is lower and the length of the sound is longer........ HMMM........ Everyone should be testing their LPs against their "remastered cds"....before they throw them out.......because like Joni says, "You don't know what you got til' it's gone" PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:01:34 +0100 From: colin Subject: a boast NJC A few months ago i was approached by a knitwear magazine and asked if I would consider doing a design for them. I have done two and sent them off. They have received tham and telephoned me to ask if I would be their menswear knitwear designer and produce one every month. mmm.....I'll have to think about it...... - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 580 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:06:42 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc I have looked and looked and still can't see no dick...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:20:51 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: a boast NJC Congratulations Colin!!! Way to go. Peace........Sharon colin wrote: > > A few months ago i was approached by a knitwear magazine and asked if I > would consider doing a design for them. I have done two and sent them > off. They have received tham and telephoned me to ask if I would be > their menswear knitwear designer and produce one every month. > mmm.....I'll have to think about it...... > > -- > bw > colin > DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 580 and 270, > Passap 6000 > Duo80 > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:33:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: hejira phallic njc the story of my life, colin.... wallyK, sighing - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de colin Enviado el: Viernes, 24 de Agosto de 2001 02:07 p.m. Para: dsk CC: PMcfad@aol.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: hejira phallic njc I have looked and looked and still can't see no dick...... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:16:30 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc In a message dated 8/24/01 12:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: << I have looked and looked and still can't see no dick.. >> Maybe British weenies look different than North American weenies? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 12:22:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) Steve D. wrote: > Not off Broadway. I saw the LA production at the Aquarius Theatre > twice in...er...'69? I still have the little cards that say "I > danced on stage with the cast of 'Hair'". I saw it at the Aquarius for my birthday in 1970! I didn't dance on stage but still have the program stashed away somewhere. I remember being amazed to see that one of the cast members was a guy attending my high school at the time - and thought it was, um, daring for him to be dancing in the altogether ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:56:49 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: phallic question I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very disrespectful to the artist we all admire. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:07:08 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) Kakki wrote: > Steve D. wrote: > > > Not off Broadway. I saw the LA production at the Aquarius Theatre > > twice in...er...'69? I still have the little cards that say "I > > danced on stage with the cast of 'Hair'". > > I saw it at the Aquarius for my birthday in 1970! I didn't dance on stage > but still have the program stashed away somewhere. I remember being amazed > to see that one of the cast members was a guy attending my high school at > the time - and thought it was, um, daring for him to be dancing in the > altogether ;-) Running up on stage as an 18 year old for the Toronto production finale was a most thrilling memory I've kept. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:32:49 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/24/01 12:58:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > << I have looked and looked and still can't see no dick.. >> > > Maybe British weenies look different than North American weenies? I would think so if you call them weenies. No self respecting Brit would call his pride n joy a weenie! > > > Jimmy - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:35:45 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc > Once it was mentioned, though... yep, there it was, big and bold, > front and center. Well, how about that? Hmmm, the power of the subconcious... Debra! You sneeky devil you! > > > > one cock comin' right up (well, you see how quickly it can get very > crude), I can't imagine it would be as gracefully done as it turned out > to be (so gracefully done I didn't consciously see it for decades). you know maybe as it was 76, you all were just stoned and saw what wasn't there.... Maybe I can't see it cos I onyl have cd cover and it is too small? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:39:02 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: phallic question Oh I am sure our Joni is not uptight and prissy and enjoys a little silliness. After all would she sing about pissing in a car park if she were? Dolphie Bush wrote: > I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very > disrespectful to the artist we all admire. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:38:39 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: phallic njc I have no doubt that you are sure colin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:56:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: phallic question It's definitely silly, but I don't agree with the disrespectful. It's amazing to me, and flattering to Joni I think, that 25 years after she made this picture people are still looking so closely at it. Debra Shea Dolphie Bush wrote: > > I find the entire discussion about this supposed penis ridiculous and very > disrespectful to the artist we all admire. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:53:51 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: grace of my heart NJC Free copy of the video of the movie Grace of My Heart to the first person who tells me they want it - I picked it up from the "pre-viewed" movies at the videostore yesterday - (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 15:52:19 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: [none] That is an interesting insight Debra. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:09:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: phallic question - --- Dolphie Bush wrote: > I find the entire discussion about this supposed > penis ridiculous and very > disrespectful to the artist we all admire. Hmmm ... it seems to me that this artist we all admire has penned, amongst many other lines, such things as: "I pissed a tequila anaconda the full length of the parking lot" "Kiss my ass, I said, and I threw my drink." "Fuck it! Tonight I'm going dancing with the drag queens and the punks." "He picks up my scent on his fingers as he's watching a waitress's legs" "You've got all those pretty girls comin' round/Hangin' on your boom-boom pachyderm" So I don't think a conversation speculating about the phallic imagery in her cover artwork is in ANY way disrespectful. Quite the contrary, I think we're musing about it as a show of respect for an artist who's work has often reflected a frank and unashamed view of male, as well as female sexuality. What's more, I'm sure if Joni were watching, she'd get a terrific kick out of it ... that is, a few seconds before she advised us all to go out and get real lives! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 16:07:54 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: phallic question You're right Don. I stand corrected. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 14:13:22 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) Ms Kakki wrote: >I saw it at the Aquarius for my birthday in 1970! I didn't dance on stage >but still have the program stashed away somewhere. I remember being amazed >to see that one of the cast members was a guy attending my high school at >the time - and thought it was, um, daring for him to be dancing in the >altogether ;-) Wait a minute - didn't they just stand there "in the altogether" at the end of Act 1? They invited the audience on stage to dance at the end of the show. I realize that Kakki probably had her eyes averted with a maidenly blush, but that's how *I* remember it. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:15:20 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Don't buy Cowboy Junkies Greatest Hits cd Catherine McKay wrote: >Call me naive, but how are these companies allowed to >do this WITHOUT the permission of the artist(s)? Because, to paraphrase Lily Tomlin's character Ernestine, the telephone operator, they don't have to have permission, they're the record company! But Randy and Brenda are right, it's right there in their indentured servant contracts. I do know how they feel, so I suggest that they send back without cashing the very large blood money royalty checks they will probably receive from the evil record company. (insert emoticon here) - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:41:01 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc colin wrote: > > > Once it was mentioned, though... yep, there it was, big and bold, > > front and center. Well, how about that? Hmmm, the power of the subconcious... > > Debra! You sneeky devil you! Oh, no, it never once occurred to me that's what I was painting. It was a good early lesson in looking more closely at what I was making. Some surprising things still slip through, like a few people telling me about seeing a three-breasted woman in one piece, like some hidden goddess figure. Since it was a done deal, I did a lot of "oh, really?s" regarding that one. > Maybe I can't see it cos I onyl have cd cover and it is too small? Nope, it's there clearly seeable even on the cd cover. First, wipe out any memory of ever having seen this image. Then start by looking at the bottom of the cd, then let your eye go up into the road and toward that slightly curved shape on the right, follow it to its end and then up into the right-hand side edge of the clouds on Joni's coat. Now look down at that shape again. There!!! See it now??!!! Design-wise it's a very important element, whether it's seen as a phallus or not. It repeats precisely the angle of her hair and is almost the same angle as the broken line, so it creates a sense of movement even though her facial expression is so still. Then there's her jangly right hand with cigarette (which just "happens" to be at the same angle as the line on the road) in there too to make it all more interesting. It really is an amazing image considering it was probably done by cutting and pasting. We see this kind of thing all the time now that there are photo-manipulating programs to use, but back then it wasn't easy getting this kind of effect. It was bold then, and it's still a striking image. Now, Colin, if you still don't see it... forget about it. Sometime you'll glance at the cover looking for nothing in particular, and it will suddenly be obvious... Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:39:05 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: grace of my heart NJC I have had response to this already so I want to let you all know so that I don't get flooded with emails and have to say to say no to a lot of folks as I have just said yes to someone. Vince Lavieri wrote: > Free copy of the video of the movie Grace of My Heart to the first > person who tells me they want it - I picked it up from the "pre-viewed" > movies at the videostore yesterday - > > (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 17:55:16 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: God Give Me Strength/Elvis njc After all the discussion of various God Give Me Strength versions, I went back to listen to Elvis Costello's and Burt Bacharach's "Painted From Memory" album, which, I'm sorry to say, is almost unlistenable because of Elvis' singing. Don't get me wrong, the songs are fantastic, and I've dug lots of Elvis' own stuff, especially early on (Alison, Accidents Will Happen, What's So Funny 'Bout Peace, Love and Understanding), but he is so totally wrong for Bacharach's difficult melodies. I once saw a public TV documentary on parrots, and there was this one parrot who could sing quite well (for a parrot), but had out of control wide vibrato and glissandi (swooping up/down between pitches) ... sounded like the parrot had listened only to mediocre opera singers, and then exaggerated on top of that. This is what Elvis' singing on "Painted From Memory" sounds like to me, especially when he strains to hit the notes out of his range. Sorry, Elvis, I love you, man, but leave the Bacharach to Dionne Warwick, Karen Carpenter, Cilla Black, or Kristen Vigard. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:10:53 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Kid Creole and the Coconuts (NJC) Amidst all the seriousness, self-righteousness and angst, it was great to go and see 13 talented musicians/dancers having REAL fun on a small stage in a small(ish) club. This was Kid Creole (still the coolest dude on the planet) and the Coconuts (the new Coconuts) at Ronnie Scotts in Birmingham (UK) last night. Party atmosphere, great music, good wine (crap food - sorry), and just great FUN! Isn't that what it's all about? PS. ..and the classic line from "Annie, I'm not your Daddy" - "If I was in your blood, you wouldn't be so ugly." !!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 10:22:45 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: a boast NJC Colin wrote: > A few months ago i was approached by a knitwear magazine and asked if I > would consider doing a design for them. I have done two and sent them > off. They have received tham and telephoned me to ask if I would be > their menswear knitwear designer and produce one every month. > mmm.....I'll have to think about it...... Very cool Colin, congratulations! I hope you take them up on this! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2001 00:12:43 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: a boast NJC > Very cool Colin, congratulations! thanks > I hope you take them up on this! of course I will! i am not likely to let this one pass. > > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Hell's Personal Photo Page: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm > > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:01:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) Mr. Dulson wrote: >Wait a minute - didn't they just stand there "in the >altogether" at the end of Act 1? I thought it was at the end! Maybe I blanked out after that point ;-) But you are right - they were just standing there in the altogether and I recall the lights were very dimmed, I suppose for delicate sensibilities. >They invited the audience on stage to dance at the end >of the show. By that time I was probably needing the vapours >I realize that Kakki probably had her eyes averted with >a maidenly blush, but that's how *I* remember it. :) I WAS a maiden and yes, blushing ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:14:18 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc Honest to God, I thought it was a phallus the very first time I looked at the album cover. Then again, I was right out of art school where a lot of people were doing this kind of thing and it was the 70's afterall. I remember feeling a bit frumpy about it - thinking that Joni was trying too hard to be "arty." ;-) It never occured to me that it was her wrist until I was given that perspective here on the list. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:18:23 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) > > Not off Broadway. I saw the LA production at the Aquarius Theatre > > twice in...er...'69? I still have the little cards that say "I > > danced on stage with the cast of 'Hair'". > > I saw it at the Aquarius for my birthday in 1970! I didn't dance on stage > but still have the program stashed away somewhere. I remember being amazed > to see that one of the cast members was a guy attending my high school at > the time - and thought it was, um, daring for him to be dancing in the > altogether ;-) > > Kakki I'm embarrassed to say, I had the chance to see it in Chicago in 1970 but my mother would not sign the @#!$%! permission slip! AUUUGGGHHH!!!! But my sister bought me the cast album for my birthday that year and I loved it! I'm not sure why Mom would not allow me to see the play but didn't seem to mind my listening to the record. Someone had told her that there was a lot of blue language in the play and some of it was on the record. Anyway, hearing this music did help to open a crack in my closed & sheltered little mind. If Mom only knew! Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:23:02 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) Mark! I don't remember that you had to be a certain age or get permission to see it if you were underage but maybe that was true here in L.A., too. I was turning 17 but my boyfriend was 20 and got the tix in advance so maybe I passed through with those false eyelashes and pseudo- sophisticated 'tude I used to put on to get me in places I wasn't supposed to be back then ;-D I absolutely adored the music and still do - carries many wonderful memories for me, too. Kakki > I'm embarrassed to say, I had the chance to see it in >Chicago in 1970 but my mother would not sign the @#!>$%! permission slip! AUUUGGGHHH!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 21:33:59 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) << I absolutely adored the music and still do - carries many wonderful memories for me, too. >> Those songs made for a lot of BIG hits...Easy to be Hard(Three Dog Night), Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In(Fifth Dimension), Hair (by the Cowsills!), seems like there were one or two others as well. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:39:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) Bob wrote: > Those songs made for a lot of BIG hits...Easy to be >Hard(Three Dog Night), Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In(Fifth Dimension), Hair (by the Cowsills!), seems > like there were one or two others as well. Ah yes, and my personal favorite still "Good Monring Starshine, the earth says hello, we twinkle up above, we twinkle below...my love and me as we sing our early morning singing song" Don't laugh! It still gets to me! ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:42:33 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: God Give Me Strength/Elvis njc > Sorry, Elvis, I love you, man, but leave the Bacharach to Dionne Warwick, > Karen Carpenter, Cilla Black, or Kristen Vigard. > Don't forget Dusty! Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:52:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) > << I absolutely adored the music and still do - carries many wonderful > memories > for me, too. >> > > Those songs made for a lot of BIG hits...Easy to be Hard(Three Dog Night), > Aquarius/Let The Sunshine In(Fifth Dimension), Hair (by the Cowsills!), seems > like there were one or two others as well. > > Bob Good Morning Starshine (Oliver) is the only other one I can come up with at the moment. Gliddy glop gloopy, nibby abba nooby, la la la la lo.... Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 18:50:59 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: God Give Me Strength/Elvis njc Mark E. wrote: > Don't forget Dusty! Dusty and Dionne were THE best and finest with Bacharach. As for Elvis C, he has never really bothered me - I thought the songs and everything else transcended and trumped the voice. I like him and liked the album he did with Burt - I guess I don't care who is singing Burt - I appreciate them all. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:03:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) << Gliddy glop gloopy, nibby abba nooby, la la la la lo.... >> How could I forget THAT one!! I actually (sorry Lori) had some theater pals in Raleigh that met doing the show in community theatre and got married, and had that song as part of the wedding. Even printed the lyrics in their program, glibby gloop glooby & all! And, on the same Oliver LP rests his recording of "BSN"! And 3 Dog Night did "Night In The City". I don't EVEN want to know if The Cowsills did Joni! LOL! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 19:10:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) > Mark! > > I don't remember that you had to be a certain age or get permission to see > it if you were underage but maybe that was true here in L.A., too!!!! It was a school field trip. We were in Chicago overnight and were going to see another play as well. However, we were supposed to have signed permission slips before we could go to see 'Hair' but I found out later that one of the kids who did not have permission went anyway. His mother told my mother 'I didn't sign any permission slip!' Ha! Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:12:06 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Joni on a soundtrack Y'all know that Friday is grandson night and tonight after a fine time at the beach Gage and I went to the video store, and had a great time singing Loudon Wainwright's greatest song (Dead Skunk in the Middle of the Road) and the newest song by Uncle Cracker (Follow Me) because we are so eclectic and hip. So we are in the videostore and the usual ads are blaring over the speakers when all of a sudden I hear the "[some movie] with a soundtrack by [so and so], Joni Mitchell , [so and so], [so and so] and other [great artists], now available in stores everywhere." Now at the time I heard the ad we were planning on renting 'Major Payne' and 'Big Daddy' and those are the selections you make when you let a 6 year old pick the movies, and I promised to myself to remember the names of the movie and the other great artists and post to you all while we were watching 'Major Payne.' However: tragedy. Before we checked out, Gage saw the video for 'Dude, Where's the Car' and we (he) decided we were going to see 'Dude, Where's the Car' instead of 'Big Daddy.' I was so stunned that I was going to actually rent 'Dude, Where's the Car' that I forgot totally the name of the movie with the Joni in the soundtrack. All that I can remember is it was a movie that I have never heard of and thus I conclude it is a new movie. So there must be some (probably new) movie out there with Joni in the soundtrack and a movie that thinks so highly of her that she was the second great artist listed in the ad. While I watch the second half of 'Major Payne' and, shudder, 'Dude, Where's the Car,' I am hoping that someone can help me out with the name of the (probably new) movie out there with Joni in the soundtrack, (the Rev) Vince NPIMH: anything but 'Major Payne' and 'Dude, Where's the Car' but unfortunately not the ad that I heard in the video store ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:39:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a boast NJC - --- colin wrote: > A few months ago i was approached by a knitwear > magazine and asked if I > would consider doing a design for them. I have done > two and sent them > off. They have received tham and telephoned me to > ask if I would be > their menswear knitwear designer and produce one > every month. > mmm.....I'll have to think about it...... > If the price is right, go for it! It's great to be paid for something you love doing. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 22:39:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: hejira phallic njc - --- colin wrote: > I have looked and looked and still can't see no dick...... Blessed are the pure of heart. I didn't either until I heard about it from these perverts and now the thing is completely ruined for me. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:00:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hair (NJC) - --- Kakki wrote: > Bob wrote: > Ah yes, and my personal favorite still "Good Monring > Starshine, the earth > says hello, we twinkle up above, we twinkle > below...my love and me as we > sing our early morning singing song" Don't laugh! > It still gets to me! ;-) > And who can forget these immortal lyrics: Glibby gloop gloopy Nibby nabby noopy La la la lo lo. ;] Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 23:07:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni on a soundtrack - now major payne/pain ergo njc - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > NPIMH: anything but 'Major Payne' and 'Dude, Where's > the Car' but > unfortunately not the ad that I heard in the video store Can't help you there, but speaking of major payne, I had that stupid mole removed yesterday and now my arm is hurting like a son of a bitch. I can't believe what a big incision the doctor made to get this thing out - it feels like she cut right into muscle, but I know she didn't. I'm not supposed to do any heavy lifting or use my left hand/arm much for a week or so. I hope that doesn't rule out guitar playing, although right now I'm not sure if I could - even typing is hurting. time for some Tylenol. Oh well, it should feel a lot better by next weekend. I hope. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #364 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?