From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #362 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 23 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 362 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Jennifer Warnes njc [FredNow@aol.com] the queen! ["Kate Bennett" ] batman, robin, and catgirl (sjc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: birthdays NJC ["hell" ] Jennifer Warnes (& Kirsten Vigard) (sjc) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: birthdays NJC [colin ] Re: radio moi -just like this train (live -94) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Jennifer Warnes (& Kirsten Vigard) (sjc) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Jennifer Warnes njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Jennifer Warnes njc [FredNow@aol.com] in search of the meaning of love njc [Mags ] Re: radio moi/demographic info NJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: radio moi/demographic info NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: radio moi/demographic info NJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Indigo's birthday on August,24th - Germany's No.1 Joni fan [Mauski4648@ao] Re: Hair NJC [Jerry Notaro ] radio moi (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Re: Radio NJC ["Kakki" ] Songs of Jennifer Warnes/ Lenny Cohen ["Jeff Eisenhauer" <4ikes@paonline.] Crosby Stills and Nash benefit tickets [Les Irvin ] Re: NJC Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question [Catherine McKay ] comfort in melancholy ["Dolphie Bush" ] comfortinmelancholy ["Dolphie Bush" ] Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) [Jason Maloney ] Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) [Jason Maloney ] Re: in search of the meaning of love njc [colin ] Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) [colin ] Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) [Jason Maloney ] in search of the meaning of love NJC ["colin" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:30:28 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes njc Chorando6@aol.com wrote: >One more thing, refering back to >god Give me strength and the Film it was written for ' Grace of my heart'. >Sung By Kirsten Vigard, But would anyone else describe the scene where the >actress sings the song to the Matt Dillon Character as a Magic musical movie >moment? >Or am I a sad queen? xx Can't answer the last question, but I would describe that scene as magical, further, I consider Vigard's rendition of "God Give Me Strength" to be the best I've heard, and superior to Elvis Costello's. He and Burt Bacharach wrote some very beautiful songs, but Elvis is not the right singer for them; they're too difficult and he has to strain ... what's required is ease and grace. - -Fred Simon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 00:39:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: the queen! Happy Happy Birthday Ashara!!!!!!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 03:07:45 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: batman, robin, and catgirl (sjc) kakki, what discoveries we made on the same day, like batman and robin... and then catgirl chimed in because she went with you to the les deux cafe...(i was in the batcave with michelle pfeiffer...) sound, sight, and culinary delight... those images of joni... "barney google...with the great big googily eyes" (childhood bat song) holy burn, my tights are killing me... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:11:04 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: birthdays NJC Yael wrote: > Well, that's because there are more people born in August than any other month! > So thus, there are more of them on the list. > Makes sense, non? > I have tried figuring out with my friends WHY that might be the case - and > the best we could figure is that people are getting snuggly in November... > cold weather coming and all. > But that theory only holds water if it works the other way in the Southern > Hemisphere... does anyone know? I don't know that there's any particular month here, ie. the Southern Hemisphere, that has more birthdays - there may be, but I haven't noticed any trend among the people I know. I think people down-under tend to get snuggly all year round ;o) I suspect there are a lot of Leos here because Leos are traditionally creative and artistic people, like Joni, and they are drawn to her for that reason. Now before the non-Leos start abusing me, let me clarify that I'm definitely NOT saying that other star signs can't or don't appreciate her just as much, or that people born under other star signs can't be creative and artistic too - Joni herself is certainly not a Leo - but I think my theory may hold some water as far as the Leos are concerned? Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:26:58 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Jennifer Warnes (& Kirsten Vigard) (sjc) Now I'm getting REALLY spooked by this list!! :) Clive Chorando6@aol.com wrote >I was equally taken with Jennifers version of Todd Rungrens >Pretending to care on The Hunter >>>snip>>> One more thing, >refering back to god Give me strength and the Film it was >written for ' Grace of my heart'. Sung By Kirsten Vigard >>> Not long after I had been listening to 'Pretending to Care' yesterday, I was doing a search on something and came across a playlist by KRCL (Salt Lake City) DJ, Susanne Millsaps (who I met briefly in Vancouver earlier this year) in which she played Kirsten's version of 'Man from Mars' - this is what she said in her playlist notes: >"And if you ever want to stump someone, play the Kirsten >Vigard version of the Joni Mitchell tune, "Man from Mars" >(Kirsten's came out several years before Joni's) -- everyone, >even the most dyed-in-the-wool Joni afficionados, will swear >it's Joni Mitchell. Uncanny." Uncanny? (I'm 'Woooooooooooo skedddying out loud' here, Catherine - WSOL!!!) PaulC PS. Had another (minor) WSOL yesterday, too. I noticed that Jennifer Warnes had played the character of Sheila in the New York production of 'Hair'. My partner, Beverly, played Sheila in the London production at around the same time - whilst I didn't know Bev at the time, we worked out that I would have seen her in the show at The Shaftesbury Theatre in the early seventies. Without knowing it, I obviously let her sunshine in!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 05:43:00 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Comfory in melancholy I came across this quote from, well ... Can you guess who? <"It is cruel, you know, that music should be so beautiful. It has the beauty of loneliness and of pain; of strength and freedom; the beauty of disappointment and never-satisfied love; the cruel beauty of nature, and everlasting beauty of monotony."> Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:15:17 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: birthdays NJC > I think people down-under tend to get > snuggly all year round ;o) From my years down under I can confirm that they are randy devils! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:09:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: radio moi -just like this train (live -94) shane mattison wrote: > jerry wrote: > < first > name, and last name.>> > > yah so? look what kind of service they're offering...111 joni tracks at the > click of your mouse... > burton cummings thinks its fantastic... > so do i... > shane Why in the world do they need your sex, year of birth, or even name to give you 111 joni tracks? Just a precaution, if you value your privacy. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:11:58 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes njc FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Chorando6@aol.com wrote: > > Can't answer the last question, but I would describe that scene as magical, > further, I consider Vigard's rendition of "God Give Me Strength" to be the > best I've heard, and superior to Elvis Costello's. He and Burt Bacharach > wrote some very beautiful songs, but Elvis is not the right singer for them; > they're too difficult and he has to strain ... what's required is ease and > grace. > > -Fred Simon I would very much agree. Hearing her version still gives me chills. Bette's version ain't half bad either. Jerry np: Otis Redding - Dock of the Bay ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:19:59 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes (& Kirsten Vigard) (sjc) Paul Castle wrote: > > > PS. Had another (minor) WSOL yesterday, too. I noticed > that Jennifer Warnes had played the character of > Sheila in the New York production of 'Hair'. My > partner, Beverly, played Sheila in the London > production at around the same time - whilst I didn't > know Bev at the time, we worked out that I would > have seen her in the show at The Shaftesbury Theatre > in the early seventies. Without knowing it, I obviously > let her sunshine in!! And I saw the Toronto version which starred Gale Garnett (We'll Sing In the Sunshine) as Sheila. A few years later I saw Sisters of Mercy-The Music of Leonard Cohen, which was part of the Shaw Festival at Niagara-on-the-Lake, in which she also starred. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:17:07 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes njc In a message dated 23/08/01 13:13:46 GMT Daylight Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << I consider Vigard's rendition of "God Give Me Strength" to be the > best I've heard, and superior to Elvis Costello's. >> So, where can we get hold of it?? I have the soundtrack to Grace of My Heart, which of course contains the "wrong" version, and the film doesn't appear to have been released on video (at least in the UK) , which I find extraordinary - surely it would work brilliantly on video (or DVD, not that I have that), as people would want to watch the film again and again. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 08:21:39 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Paul Horn NJC "Paul Castle" Subject: Paul Horn (NJC) shane cactussong@home.com wrote: > interested in pursuing joni's work with paul horn, one of my few all-time Paul wrote: >In the late sixties I remember having a copy of his staggeringly >beautiful album 'Inside' - a solo flute recording in the Taj >Mahal. >Haven't thought about this for ages as my vinyl copy has long >been lost in the mists of time. Do you know if this is now >available >on CD? I'd love to hear it again. >PaulC Hi Paul, I loved that album too, so I burned mine on CD, complete with the album art.. If you want a copy contact me privately. Thanks, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:41:10 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes njc AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 23/08/01 13:13:46 GMT Daylight Time, > notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: > > << I consider Vigard's rendition of "God Give Me Strength" to be the > > best I've heard, and superior to Elvis Costello's. >> > > So, where can we get hold of it?? I have the soundtrack to Grace of My > Heart, which of course contains the "wrong" version, and the film doesn't > appear to have been released on video (at least in the UK) , which I find > extraordinary - surely it would work brilliantly on video (or DVD, not that I > have that), as people would want to watch the film again and again. Azeem, It is on the original soundtrack. The alternate version is Man From Mars, not God Give Me Strength. And, yes, the DVD of this movie is spectacular. The commentary by participants, the cut scenes, and Making of the Music by Larry Klein are just great. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:42:14 EDT From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes njc In a message dated 8/23/01 8:17:07 AM, AzeemAK writes: ><< I consider Vigard's rendition of "God Give Me Strength" to be the > > best I've heard, and superior to Elvis Costello's. >> > >So, where can we get hold of it?? I have the soundtrack to Grace of My >Heart, which of course contains the "wrong" version It's on the compilation "Heart Beats: Love Scene - Romantic Movie Music" (Rhino Records). Fred ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:39:23 -0400 From: Mags Subject: in search of the meaning of love njc Every so often, I go into the drafts folder and see what I've forgotten to send. I'd like to share some thoughts about a thread that appeared a few weeks ago about love. Please bear with the ramblings my heart as I try to give voice to what I feel. Several of Joni Mitchell's songs take us on journeys of the heart, on a quest for the meaning of love, what love is and what love is not. Love could be compared with the ocean, sometimes calm and still, sometimes wild and furious. Standing on that shore, hand in hand with the love of my life, that is the place where I feel most at peace. For me, there is no place like it. I know I have finally come home. In a song such as Love which reflects in its own image, some of the aspects of love, facilitated by a visit to one of St Paul's letters to the Corinthians (right Rev Vince?) in doing so, I feel that Joni invites us to take a look at what love means to us. Now and then. In my life I have seen many sides of love. In St Paul's letter, a notion is raised that love is indeed many things...Paul writes that love is patient and kind and not envious and so it goes.... sounds pretty ideal to me, sounds like the up side of love. Love is not always easy and all those good things mentioned. Sometimes love takes patience, work, committment, perserverance, the ability to see beyond the 'now' and look toward 'then' as that never ending beacon of brilliant light. perhaps love is all these things and it is love that fortifies us to endure the toughest things in our life and thereby allows us to feel joy which is so often at the centre of that precious gift of love. leaves me speechless, moved to the core. truly magnificent. Love is. Mags, looking forward, to then. np: Benediction from The Prayer Cycle, Linda Ronstadt singing in Spanish, along with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan in Urdu (God rest his soul), The American Boychoir, and The English Chamber Chorus - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 09:58:50 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: radio moi/demographic info NJC I suggest that if you find a service that you like that you give them real demographic info (year of birth, sex, geography, etc.) even if you give them dummy personal info (email address and name). Companies use the info to support their claims with potential investors and advertisers and the demographics are actually of value and they don't compromise your privacy in the big scheme of things. Parting with some real demo info is a small price to pay for a free service that you like, particularly if you want to see it continue to exist. Brenda n.p. - KCRW Jerry Notaro wrote: > Why in the world do they need your sex, year of birth, or even name to give > you 111 joni tracks? > Just a precaution, if you value your privacy. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:04:28 -0700 From: jan Subject: Fwd: The kids (ot) (njc) >> An elderly man in Phoenix calls his son in New York and says, "I hate >>to ruin your day, but I have >> to tell you that your mother and I are divorcing; forty-five years of >>misery is enough." >> >> "Pop, what are you talking about?" the son screams. >> >> "We can't stand the sight of each other any longer," the father says. >>"We're sick of each other, and >> I'm sick of talking about this, so you call your sister in Chicago and >>tell her," and he hangs up. >> >> Frantic, the son calls his sister, who explodes on the phone. "Like >>heck they're getting divorced," >> she shouts, "I'll take care of this." >> >> She calls Phoenix immediately, and screams at her father, "You are NOT >>getting divorced. Don't >> do a single thing until I get there. I'm calling my brother back, and >>we'll both be there tomorrow. >> Until then, don't do a thing, DO YOU HEAR ME?" and hangs up. >> >> The man hangs up his phone and turns to his wife. >> >> "OK," he says, "They're coming for Thanksgiving and paying their own >>fares. Now what do we tell >> them for Christmas?" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:15:24 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: radio moi/demographic info NJC "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > I suggest that if you find a service that you like that you give them real > demographic info (year of birth, sex, geography, etc.) even if you give them > dummy personal info (email address and name). Companies use the info to support > their claims with potential investors and advertisers and the demographics are > actually of value and they don't compromise your privacy in the big scheme of > things. Parting with some real demo info is a small price to pay for a free > service that you like, particularly if you want to see it continue to exist. And they sell that information all the time. You and I both know that. If I were a single, young, female living alone I would be careful about giving my name, the year I was born, etc. I NEVER give out that kind of information, yet somehow around my 50th birthday I started getting letters about funerals. Very scary what is already know about all of us out there. They can certainly obtain demographic info without asking my name. Once that link is made solicitations begins. Again, just a caution. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:22:04 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: radio moi/demographic info NJC Well that's why I suggest that you don't give real personal info. Jerry Notaro wrote: > "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > > I suggest that if you find a service that you like that you give them real > > demographic info (year of birth, sex, geography, etc.) even if you give them > > dummy personal info (email address and name). Companies use the info to support > > their claims with potential investors and advertisers and the demographics are > > actually of value and they don't compromise your privacy in the big scheme of > > things. Parting with some real demo info is a small price to pay for a free > > service that you like, particularly if you want to see it continue to exist. > > And they sell that information all the time. You and I both know that. If I were a > single, young, female living alone I would be careful about giving my name, the > year I was born, etc. I NEVER give out that kind of information, yet somehow around > my 50th birthday I started getting letters about funerals. Very scary what is > already know about all of us out there. They can certainly obtain demographic info > without asking my name. Once that link is made solicitations begins. Again, just a > caution. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 10:31:42 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 21/08/01 04:12:36 GMT Daylight Time, > brenda@killinggoliath.com writes: > > << Clear Channel does not care about listeners. They want the broadest > audience > possible to deliver to advertisers. So the songs which make it on air are > the > ones that are least likely to offend people. I recall sitting in a meeting > with a > radio research company where they basically explained that the corporate > radio > owners wanted songs that do not illicit strong emotions, either positive or > negative. What a laugh, right!? >> > > This is so deeply depressing, Brenda, that it almost beggars belief. Don't > these people have souls?? And so the relentless homogenisation of everything > that can be prostituted to turn a profit continues apace. The reality of the music industry is indeed fairly dismaying. Imagine being one of the grown up kids working at a label, with our piercings, tattoos and shit kicking boots listening to a couple of Ernst & Young looking suits tell us that research supports bland music. Songs testing with strong positive reaction also tend to test with strong negative - the old adage, "you'll either love it or hate it." The rationale for radio is that they don't want people to turn the dial so anything that some people might love alot could drive the people who hate it to turn. Therefore it's safer to play music that people won't really love or really hate - the dull hiss will lull them into complacency. I feel as Catherine does though - countercultures will emerge. Now although there could be several reasons for it, midyear music sales (since the shutdown of Napster) are down about 9%. Yet, independent labels that put out DJ or "electronic" music are thriving and experiencing market growth. Brenda n.p.: KCRW ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:00:56 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: radio moi/demographic info NJC I doubt that a company like RadioMoi could get much these days for the info they are collecting. They don't even qualify the email address by saying they need to email you the password and making you enter a real one. In fact, everything they are asking for is certainly obtainable through an expensive but qualified list agent. As far as the stuff with your 50th birthday, that could just as easily be attributed to an insurance company or county clerk record. I recall recently receiving a notice from my insurance company that I had to OPT OUT if I didn't want them share information contained on my application or credit report (occupation, date of birth, social security number) within their family of companies which include banking, investment services, etc. While it's certain that caution is necessary when disclosing info on the web, the privacy horse has been out of the barn for quite some time and the web is only one part of it. At the end of the day, the privacy concern tipping point is different for everyone and individuals should consider what their own personal tolerance level is. Last Christmas my mom was chastising me for shopping on the internet. Well my credit card info was stolen. However, the theft was traced back to a temporary employee at the Toys R Us store around the corner where I made an in-person purchase. Go figure. Brenda Jerry Notaro wrote: > And they sell that information all the time. You and I both know that. If I were a > single, young, female living alone I would be careful about giving my name, the > year I was born, etc. I NEVER give out that kind of information, yet somehow around > my 50th birthday I started getting letters about funerals. Very scary what is > already know about all of us out there. They can certainly obtain demographic info > without asking my name. Once that link is made solicitations begins. Again, just a > caution. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 11:10:09 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Hair NJC Going even further out on a tangent, speaking of Hair...did anyone else beside me ever see the off Broadway version of Hair? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:39:02 EDT From: Mauski4648@aol.com Subject: Indigo's birthday on August,24th - Germany's No.1 Joni fan Please do send all your greetings, hugs, kisses and love to Indigo girl in Wuppertal, Germany(indigo94@12move.de) for her birthday. She disappeared and perhaps your greetings will get her back on the screen. Thank you, Karin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 14:41:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Hair NJC Kate Bennett wrote: > Going even further out on a tangent, speaking of Hair...did anyone else > beside me ever see the off Broadway version of Hair? I did have the original Off Broadway recording before the Broadway one was out. I also had Hair Pieces, by Galt McDermott, and Divine Hair. Just recently saw the 30th anniversary tour which was great. There is talk of a revival this fall on Broadway. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 13:33:46 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: radio moi (njc) brenda said: <> besides, if you've served as Chairman of the Bank Robbers Association of Canada (though we know who the real robbers are) then anything i give them is after the point and superfluous... shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 12:52:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Radio NJC Catherine wrote: > I'm a big believer in the pendulum swinging. Weather > changes, nothing stays the same, so I see that > something good MAY come out of all this - people will > rebel against the rampant consumerism and > homogenisation and countercultures will develop. It > has happened before and it will happen again - just > you wait and see. It'll be like hippy days all over > again ('cept different). I hope... When I first read the posts and links about the Orwellian Clear Channel my blood ran cold. They own most all the main stations in LA and it's no wonder I want to puke everytime I surf the dial at work. I try to stick to KCRW/NPR but have a hard time picking up the reception at work. Eeeuu, checking out their website also gave me a shuddering chill. But after thinking about it a bit, I came to the same optimistic conclusion as Catherine. This could be a good thing in disguise and have a silver lining because you can be sure there will be a massive rebellion against this at some point and it *will* be like those hippie days all over again. In the meantime I will look forward to them being swept offstage! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 17:08:30 -0400 From: "Jeff Eisenhauer" <4ikes@paonline.com> Subject: Songs of Jennifer Warnes/ Lenny Cohen As I was scrolling down the JMDL I happened to stop at Paul Castle's email of Jennifer Warnes and as I started to read, "Song of Bernadette" started to play. You see I had the "Famous Blue Raincoat" spinning in CD-ROM. It was to say the least a "goose-pipply" moment. To all who want a most beautiful musical moment. FBR is definfitley undoubtly on my list of top 10 GP moments. To All, Peace. Jeff E. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 16:02:21 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Crosby Stills and Nash benefit tickets Bill Dollinger asked that I pass this along to the list. Les - -------------- CROSBY STILLS & NASH 10/4 The Buffalo Club Special Crosby Stills and Nash benefit tickets to Save the last the wild buffalo herd, the Yellowstone Bison, are on sale now by calling 800-728-6223 or by emailing us at mailto:guacfund@bigplanet.com. Proceeds from these special benefits ticket sales will be used to support the work of the Buffalo Field Campaign, the only organization that is actively in the field 365 days a year, putting their bodies between the Department of Livestock and the last wild herd of buffalo. Only ten tickets for each of the following concerts are available for this special program. Six for $100 include after show backstage passes and four for $200 include after show backstage passes and a meet and greet with members of Crosby Stills and Nash. The tickets are located at Birmingham, Al ~ Oak Mountain Amphitheatre Section B, Row N Saturday, 1 September 01 San Antonio, TX ~ Verizon Wireless Amphitheatre Orchestra 2, Row L Tuesday, 4 September 01 Houston, TX ~ Cynthia Woods Mitchell Pavilion Orch Center, Row G Wednesday, 5 September 01 Dallas, TX ~ Smirnoff Music Center Section 101, Row J Saturday, 8 September 01 Albuquerque, NM ~ Journal Pavilion Section 2, Row G Wednesday, 12 September 01 Concord, CA ~ Chronicle Pavilion Section 104, Row M Wednesday, 19 September 01 San Diego, CA ~ Summer Pops/Navy Pier 11 Section 1, Row 11 Friday, 14 September 01 Quincy (George), WA ~ The Gorge Section B, Row 12 Friday, 21 September 01 Eugene, OR ~ Hult Center for the Performing Arts Centre Orch, Row P Saturday, 22 September 01 Thanks for passing this info on to your friends and family!! and thanks to Crosby, Stills and Nash and Carol, Debbie and Tom for supporting our important work!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:56:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > By the same token, Rodgers wrote instrumental pieces > like "Slaughter on Tenth Avenue" (one of my favorite > pieces of music)...even though it was a ballet > piece, is it still considered a song? > > I guess the gist of my question is: Is an > instrumental a "song"? > Aren't lyrics required to really make it a "song"? Maybe not lyrics, but someone singing, even if it's just la-la-la? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:02:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: les deux cafe - --- cat627@cs.com wrote: > What a place!! When I went to CA and visited Kakki > we went there and had such a fine time. The food > was great the company was even greater and the > atmosphere was so cool. The only thing missing was > Joni. I did take a picture of TI behind the bar and > Kakki took a pic of me in front of the sign A while ago, someone in the office where I work found a life-size cardboard figure of Elton John in the garbage outside a record store - I guess it had been used to publicize a recent album or something. She brought it back to the office and we kept it there for quite a while. Anytime there was an office party of any kind, Elton was invited, and of course he was included in all the pictures. I don't know if a lifesize cardboard picture of Joni could be found, but wouldn't it be neato keen if someone who knows how to do this kind of thing could make one? It would mean blowing up a real picture of Joni to lifesize and gluing it on some kind of board I can think these things up, but am not very good at actually doing them - haha - I'm an idea person (or lazy bum, depending on your point of view. Then Joni could be at the Fest and we'd all be able to get our pictures taken with her - it *almost* looks real and it might fool a few people. Of course, some of you lucky dawgs have REALLY been photographed with Joni - the rest of us only dream of the day when, jaw gaping, we actually meet her, only to be left speechless and drooling. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:08:00 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: comfort in melancholy Is there comfort in melancholy? I guess there could be but melancholia can also bring pain to the heart. Sitting alone on a cloudy day, gazing out the window into the dry, lonely field. Days and loves gone by. Forced loneliness. Obivion. Guess it depends on the perspective. "when you dig down deep, you lose good sleep" JM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 18:16:14 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: comfortinmelancholy oblivion. maybe obivion would be a better place. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 22:59:11 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) Hi Azeem, I had exactly the same situation about 18 months ago, before successfully solving my three-pronged search. Firstly, Vigard's version of the Grace Of My Heart song is, curiously, featured on a little-known US compilation called Love Scenes. I can seek out the exact catalogue number and other details from my own copy if you'd like. Have to agree it ought to have been on the soundtrack CD itself. There was room on the disc to include both her version and the Costello one, surely? Meanwhile, I also absolutely agree that the unavailability of the film on any format in the UK is shameful. There may still be some dog-eared rental copies floating around the odd video stores, but I had to get a US copy (my VCR plays NTSC tapes, thankfully) to see this excellent film. If your machine has the capability to play American videos, I could always lend you my tape. It is, of course, also out on Region 1 (US again) DVD complete with extras, so if you ever get a multi-region DVD player you're quids in! Thanks to a fellow-lister (Raffaele), I got to hear the full GOMH soundtrack...and a while after that I actually found a copy in a Virgin sale for only 6.99. Jason. http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > So, where can we get hold of it?? I have the soundtrack to Grace of > My Heart, which of course contains the "wrong" version, and the film > doesn't appear to have been released on video (at least in the UK) , > which I find extraordinary - surely it would work brilliantly on video > (or DVD, not that I have that), as people would want to watch the film > again and again. > > Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:50:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) > It is, of course, also out on Region 1 (US again) DVD complete with > extras, so if you ever get a multi-region DVD player you're quids in! > If you look up your make of DVD on the net you are likely to find a hackt hat will turn your dvd player into a multi region one. I did with mine, wharfedal(tesco #169) and it now plays any region dvds ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:54:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: comfort in melancholyNJC Just saw an interesting doc about why harbouring bad thpughts/feelings can casue illness like hart disease, diabetes, cancer and others or genrall unwell ness. The stress causes the release of a chemial called cortisol which damages the white blood cells in our blood. It harms every cell in the body. Not a lot of comfort in that! Depression is just the name we give to our harbouring bad thought s and feelings which when not dealt with becomes a prison of our own making. That prison can be of the type we can't get out of. Dolphie Bush wrote: > Is there comfort in melancholy? I guess there could be but melancholia can > also bring pain to the heart. Sitting alone on a cloudy day, gazing out the > window into the dry, lonely field. Days and loves gone by. Forced > loneliness. Obivion. Guess it depends on the perspective. "when you dig > down deep, you lose good sleep" JM - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 00:44:03 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) Thanks Colin. I have a horrible feeling my machine - a Sony something-or-other - won't be included. Those evil corporations again, no doubt. I originally had a Panasonic (more likely) but the laser broke and I was allowed to exchange for a model to the same value (which, after 2 years, meant I got a much better player in the end). I think if I could buy US discs, I'd never get around to watching them all! I'm behind enough as it is... Jason. http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk (where you *won't* find my unfinished reviews of Bedazzled and Traffic, sadly. I seem to have lost the muse.) colin wrote: > > > It is, of course, also out on Region 1 (US again) DVD complete with > > extras, so if you ever get a multi-region DVD player you're quids > > in! > > If you look up your make of DVD on the net you are likely to find a > hack that will turn your dvd player into a multi region one. I did > with mine, wharfedal(tesco #169) and it now plays any region dvds ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:49:02 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Tears of Stone - --- byron bentley wrote: > They are the Screaming Orphans. A few years ago I > saw them live as the > opening act for Sinead O'Connor, where during her > set they served as > back up vocals and added some very elaborate > harmonies. > Byron > Figures I'd get it wrong - and I also thought it was just a made-up name along the lines of "The Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir". Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:12:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: in search of the meaning of love njc Unfortunately love is a much mis used word. We ascribe the love love to many feelings that are not love. Love is an action rather than a feeling. Love is having unconditonal positive regard for people(and animals) in general. Love is helping not hindering. Love is accepting as is. Love is giving and receiving.(yes receiving-have you ever thought that when you refuse a gift or help you are rejecting love? Like when people say, in response to you wanting to give them something'oh I couldn't possibly'. They think they are geing humble and self effacing when in fact they are being proud, rejecting, hurting-but I digress). People often say that the love a parent feels for a child is the only true love. Bollocks to that. Soemtimes it is but oft times it is conditonal. People say they love their partner and that it is real. It isn't. It is conditonal. Don't believe me? wait till your partner cheats on you, hits you, ignores your feelings, refuses sex, gets fat, gets old, goes grey. I am not saying the love between partners and offsrping is not real. I am just saying it sin't always love. It has conditions. As soon as love has conditons put upon it it isn't love. Many people sadly believ that God's love is condtional-upon behaviour, upon belief, upon all sorts of things. They limit God. they cannot conceive of pure uncondtional love because they are unable to give that sort of love themselves. The feelings people experience in the first flushes of a relationship are not love. These feelings go, are tranisent, are what gets people together. It often means that when they are gone, so is the realitonship. I have lived with my partner for 20years. I love my partner the way I do, I am human. But I don't love him the way he desreves-whollly and unconditonally. Why? Because I am human and not capable at this time. If he molested a child or killed one amd i likely to carry on feeling the same way toward him? If he became a Nazi or white supremicist? Of course not! I would feel betrayed, ashamed, stupid, bereft. All of which suggest my love is not unconditonal. Al;though I wish it were, i have no shame in saying my love is not uncodtional because I know yours(meaning evryone elses) isn't either! I know I am loved exactly as I am, now, tomorrow and forever. whetehr or not I change, improve, back track, beliebv this of believe that. I also know that love is not from my fellow beings. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:13:45 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) > I think if I could buy US discs, I'd never get around to watching them > all! I'm behind enough as it is... and that loophole has been closed ow too! You mujst pay import tax on the bloody things. No matter which you are screwed byt hose powers anyhow! > > > Jason. > http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk (where you *won't* find my unfinished > reviews of Bedazzled and Traffic, sadly. I seem to have lost the muse.) > > colin wrote: > > > > > It is, of course, also out on Region 1 (US again) DVD complete with > > > extras, so if you ever get a multi-region DVD player you're quids > > > in! > > > > If you look up your make of DVD on the net you are likely to find a > > hack that will turn your dvd player into a multi region one. I did > > with mine, wharfedal(tesco #169) and it now plays any region dvds - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:59:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long - --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > > > I feel as Catherine does though - countercultures > will emerge. Now although > there could be several reasons for it, midyear music > sales (since the shutdown of > Napster) are down about 9%. Yet, independent labels > that put out DJ or > "electronic" music are thriving and experiencing > market growth. > YES!!! Viva la revolucion! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:09:01 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Vigard / GOMH (Was Jennifer Warnes njc) Where do (or did) you get yours from? Have you tried places such as Play247.com.? Around 15.99 (incl free p&p) for the latest R1 titles. How come? They're in Jersey... Totally legit and reliable. Jason. colin wrote: > > > I think if I could buy US discs, I'd never get around to watching them > > all! I'm behind enough as it is... > > and that loophole has been closed ow too! You mujst pay import tax on the > bloody things. No matter which you are screwed byt hose powers anyhow! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 19:11:51 -0500 From: "Dolphie Bush" Subject: Re: in search of the meaning of love njc I disagree wholeheartedly. Love is a feeling. What we do with it in regards to others is the action. I don't know about you or others but those who have received my love, my feelings of love, have received unconditional love. Whether they have broken my heart, spurned my overtures, or given me some kind of love, of theirs, in return, it did not alter or change my feeling of love for them. Nothing could. For me, to have loved them in the first place meant that I would love them forever. And I do. It will always be there and nothing, be that their actions, abscence, indifference, etc, will or could ever change that. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" To: "Mags" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 7:12 PM Subject: Re: in search of the meaning of love njc > Unfortunately love is a much mis used word. We ascribe the love love to > many feelings that are not love. Love is an action rather than a > feeling. > Love is having unconditonal positive regard for people(and animals) in > general. Love is helping not hindering. Love is accepting as is. > Love is giving and receiving.(yes receiving-have you ever thought that > when you refuse a gift or help you are rejecting love? Like when people > say, in response to you wanting to give them something'oh I couldn't > possibly'. They think they are geing humble and self effacing when in > fact they are being proud, rejecting, hurting-but I digress). > > People often say that the love a parent feels for a child is the only > true love. Bollocks to that. Soemtimes it is but oft times it is > conditonal. > > People say they love their partner and that it is real. It isn't. It is > conditonal. Don't believe me? wait till your partner cheats on you, hits > you, ignores your feelings, refuses sex, gets fat, gets old, goes grey. > I am not saying the love between partners and offsrping is not real. I > am just saying it sin't always love. It has conditions. > > As soon as love has conditons put upon it it isn't love. > > Many people sadly believ that God's love is condtional-upon behaviour, > upon belief, upon all sorts of things. They limit God. they cannot > conceive of pure uncondtional love because they are unable to give that > sort of love themselves. > > The feelings people experience in the first flushes of a relationship > are not love. These feelings go, are tranisent, are what gets people > together. It often means that when they are gone, so is the > realitonship. > > I have lived with my partner for 20years. I love my partner the way I > do, I am human. But I don't love him the way he desreves-whollly and > unconditonally. Why? Because I am human and not capable at this time. If > he molested a child or killed one amd i likely to carry on feeling the > same way toward him? If he became a Nazi or white supremicist? Of course > not! I would feel betrayed, ashamed, stupid, bereft. All of which > suggest my love is not unconditonal. Al;though I wish it were, i have no > shame in saying my love is not uncodtional because I know yours(meaning > evryone elses) isn't either! > > I know I am loved exactly as I am, now, tomorrow and forever. whetehr or > not I change, improve, back track, beliebv this of believe that. I also > know that love is not from my fellow beings. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2001 20:25:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: comfortinmelancholy Dolphie Bush wrote: > > oblivion. maybe obivion would be a better place. Nah, not unless it's the kind of oblivion that's transcendent, like laying on your back in the grass, feeling tickled and looking at the clouds moving across the sky, or standing in the shallow waves at the beach and looking down and not being quite sure what's moving, you or the beach or just the water. Where do you end and uncontrollable nature start? Or listening to Joni with just a candle for light and where does her experience end and yours begin? Sometimes there's no separation. Comfort in melancholy is not ALL that Joni shares with us. She experiences it, accepts it (which is where the comfort comes in, I think), learns from it and moves through it. Welcome to the list, Dolphie. How and when did you discover Joni? Debra Shea, taking a break from literally tearing my place apart... well, emptying closets and drawers and moving furniture... the kind of reorganizing and throwing out and cleaning that involves complete chaos... I kind of like it... it's the putting it all back together that will probably be painful ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2001 01:47:50 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: in search of the meaning of love NJC - -------Original Message-------=0D From: Dolphie Bush=0D Date: 24 August 2001 01:16:06=0D To: joni=0D Subject: Re: in search of the meaning of love njc=0D I disagree wholeheartedly. Love is a feeling. What we do with it in=0D regards to others is the action. I don't know about you or others but tho= se=0D who have received my love, my feelings of love, have received uncondition= al=0D love. Whether they have broken my heart, spurned my overtures, or given m= e=0D some kind of love, of theirs, in return, it did not alter or change my=0D feeling of love for them. Nothing could. For me, to have loved them in th= e=0D first place meant that I would love them forever. And I do. It will alway= s=0D be there and nothing, be that their actions, abscence, indifference, etc,= =0D will or could ever change that.=0D =0D =0D I can see why you feel the way you do. however, the words you use to=0D describe this feeling telll me that what you are feeling is conditional. = for=0D a start it reads like this love you feel is selective-hence condtional.=0D There is nothing wrong with romantic love, as you describe, and I am sorr= y I=0D gave the impression i thoguht there was. It just isn't love in the sense = i=0D was meaning, i. e. uncondtional. I know it is possible for us to deceive=0D ourselves into thinking/feeling we are giving unconditonal love. One reas= on=0D being is we don't have the habit of examining oursleves on a deep level-i= t=0D is too frightening generally, or so we think.=0D =0D If you could be beaten, raped, humiliated(perhaps over a period of years,= =0D perhaps by your own parents) by someone you loved and continue to love th= em=0D then you are truly a saint. Of course until it happens to you, God forbid= ,=0D you can't possibly know.=0D =0D My sense of vanity would love to able to say i turn the other cheek, that= i=0D feel nothing but love for all of fellow beings, that my feelings for peop= le=0D have never changed. Alas, that isn;t so. I am human. However, i would add= =0D that my fellings do not run to hatred and a desire to harm-anyone. .\That= =0D could be considered love-at least in the sense i am discussing. My lack o= f=0D forgivenss towrds some is also not unconditonal love, in that i don't hav= e=0D good feelings towrds some. But again those not good feelings do not run t= o a=0D desire to harm.(but those feelings ahve been experienced!)=0D =0D I undertsaand your feeling that love is feeling. I disagree. I think that= feeling we feel is something esle, more persnal, and not selfless. The d= etached desitre to help and not hinder ANYBODY is much clser to what i th= ink love is. the sort of love I think sprirituality speaks of. The sort o= f love that is dispassionate,(because that love does jot require anything= from me! Does not need me to respond to it because it comes from a place= of wholeness) that is ALWAYS there no matter how far int the opposite di= rection I may go, it is never withdrawn. 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