From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #359 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 359 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 21 [les@jmdl.com] This is a joke right? ["shane mattison" ] Yes Sir, she's ma baby ["William Waddell" ] Re: Cultural highpoint njc [colin ] Re: This is a joke, right? [colin ] Re: njc The unthinkable happening? (cricket content) [Gertus@aol.com] Got to get ourselves ... ["William Waddell" ] Re: njc The unthinkable happening? (cricket content) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Radio VLJC - long [AzeemAK@aol.com] (NJC) Your railroad 'guage', you know I just can't jump it ["Paul Castle"] Re: Impromptu Joni Cover ["Blair Fraipont" ] This is a joke, right? ["kerry" ] Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) ["Blair Fraipont" ] RE: Aug.18th, NJC ["Amy Hahn" ] Re: Snuggly Paz [Steve Polifka ] corporate media NJC [Yael Harlap ] Re: Hope Magazine [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: This is a joke, right? ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: YES! Bittersweet (NJC) long ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: august 18!!!!!!!!! njc [Alison E ] Re: august 17!!!!!! njc [Alison E ] Jennifer Warnes (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Subject: Re: Subject: Radio VLJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Jennifer Warnes (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: This is a joke, right? [Don Rowe ] Re: Radio Daze ["denknee" ] charity jazz concert -nyc (njc) ["shane mattison" ] An unbelievably difficult trivia question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question [colin ] Re: Cultural highpoint njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(nJC) [Catherine McKay ] Anne Sandstrom's CD [Catherine McKay ] Re: Impromptu Joni Cover now njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC YesFest [Catherine McKay ] Re: This is a joke, right? [Catherine McKay ] Re: Jennifer Warnes (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] RE: An unbelievably difficult trivia question ["Deb Messling" ] Re: This is a joke, right? njc [Mags ] Tears of Stone [Mags ] Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question ["hell" ] more on tears of stone [Mags ] !"#$ [janine sherman ] Joni Mpg [Michael Paz ] Jealous Again (NJC) [Michael Paz ] FYI8/22 Boston 2 extra tickets (NJC) [Michael Paz Subject: This is a joke right? jenny wrote: <> "penis"on the Hejira cover is >> Joni's left wrist disappearing into her pocket of >> her coat, right? >> but jenny, what's her hand doing in her coat? While driving, no less! i'd sure sweat if she did that as she's singin' Black Crow while drivin' me... wouldn't you? "i drove with the lady with the hole in her pockets....didn't it feel good didn't it feel goo....ooo....ooo...oood, dint'tfeelgud...." sheesh... richard in detroit in '68 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 02:53:17 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Yes Sir, she's ma baby I find it interesting that there's now and again mention of Yes on the JMDL. Somewhere along the line sensibilities evidently concur. I was a huge Yes fan before I knew Joni. Paz mentioned Roundabout just there and I must say that that song has great memories for me. The played backwards opening piano note was so Wayne's World cool. "Close to the Edge" was then, as "Paprika Plains" is now, in a way. I remember being at high school and the coolest thing you could do was to walk around with an LP - preferably "Fragile" or "Hunky Dory". At seventeen, in the art department, the coolest thing you could do, in our eyes, was drop "Court and Spark" into a conversation about getting laid. (All talk I might add). That and "Harvest". A man needs a maid. Ho! Such days. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:18:30 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Cultural highpoint njc > Colin, you are SO grotesque! ah but have never seen me so how would you know? > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:20:14 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? Catherine McKay wrote: > --- colin wrote: > > > If it's penes you seek (that's the plural, > > pronounced like "pea knees") > > > > it's peni-pronounced pee nigh!!!!! ;-) > > Nope. It would only be peni if the singular were > penus. okay-I took Latin for about 6 weeks so i'll bow to your superior knowledge here! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 05:33:49 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re: njc The unthinkable happening? (cricket content) > Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:15:37 EDT > From: AzeemAK@aol.com > Subject: Re: njc The unthinkable happening? (cricket content) > > In a message dated 20/08/01 18:28:01 GMT Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso. > com > writes: > > << No you aren't dreaming-as you probably know by now, they won. > > AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > > I don't believe it - England are actually getting close to beating > Australia! > > I'm sure the match will have a few twists and turns yet, but as I type > we're > > 206 for 2, needing just over 100 to win. Am I dreaming?? > > >> > > I was out all evening, and videoed it - I've just finished watching it, and > I'll swear I went a bit dewy eyed at the finish. Mark Butcher - what a man! > > I always thought he shouldn't have been dropped. Anyway... > > This is for John in Sydney, with apologies to the infamous Norwegian > football > commentator: > > Ned Kelly, Dame Edna Everage, Gough Whitlam, Kylie Minogue, Gary Shearston, > can you hear me?? Your boys took a hell of a beating today!! > > I'll stop babbling now, as most of you won't have the foggiest idea what I'm > > going on about :-) > > Azeem > This was unbelivable! I think the team, and especially Butcher, must have been inspired by the tv program about Ian Botham on Sunday night. What gutted me though, was that I have followed every sad test of this series, even managing to watch on satellite from Portugal and Greece, but yesterday was the one day when I was completely cut off from any radio or tv contact and what happened? Got home to find it was all over and I'd missed the most exciting English innings for 20 years (well almost)! What is it about Hussein's captaincy that so inspires his men? Time to celebrate! Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 04:48:21 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Got to get ourselves ... Some time ago, a Canadian friend of mine (that's the NJC waiver), sent me reams of script of how, I think it was General Motors, way back in the day, bought up a whole load of land across the great USA that belonged to what might have been the former AMTRAK company, if there was one, to literally, rip up the railroads. The US has undoubtedly the worst railway system I have encountered in the 1st world. Though I must say getting to Wallagoogoo in NSW on a Sunday is well ... Corporatism sucks. Joni reflected that in her Reagan year albums. Please Georgeous save us from another ... There's an ad on US TV about some woman who works for Shell and she's a geologist who, in my eyes, has sold her soul, (I'm not so au fait with that phrase but), for this George Wobble you Bush. I'm no hippy but we got to get ourselves back to ... No surprise there are activists at G8 summits. Everything in modernation. Bechaysuz! 4:42 am and I'm ranting away. WTS _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:42:46 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(nJC) Catherine wrote: >but I love Jennifer Warnes' "Famous blue raincoat" - >whatever became of Jennifer Warnes anyway? There is a message from her on her website explaining what became of her and what she's up to now - see http://www.jenniferwarnes.com/message/index.html In the 'news' section, I see she played at the Edmonton Folk Festival a couple of weeks ago and her new album, 'The Well', will be released in early September. I see that she is also working on a movie project about the life of Leonard Cohen. "Her voice," says Cohen, "is like the California weather, filled with sunlight. But there's an earthquake behind it." 'Famous Blue Raincoat' is one of my favourite albums, too - especially the song she wrote with Cohen, 'Song of Bernadette' - - oh my! PaulC PS. I've played 'First We Take Manhatten' for many years but still don't understand what I'm singing about - any ideas? np: Lights of Lousianne - Jennifer Warnes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:25:43 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: njc The unthinkable happening? (cricket content) In a message dated 21/08/01 10:35:05 GMT Daylight Time, Gertus@aol.com writes: << Got home to find it was all over and I'd missed the most exciting English innings for 20 years (well almost)! What is it about Hussein's captaincy that so inspires his men? >> You have my sympathy there Jacky - reminds me of the Wimbledon men's final this year, which I taped in its in entirety as I was out all day. I got home and watched enthralled. Then, at 6-6 in the final set, the tape ran out!!! As for Hussein, he is a rather more sophisticated captain than Stewart, more in the Mike Brearley mode - except that he can bat as well!! Azeem in London NP: Rachid Taha - Made in Medina ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:36:15 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long In a message dated 21/08/01 04:12:36 GMT Daylight Time, brenda@killinggoliath.com writes: << Clear Channel does not care about listeners. They want the broadest audience possible to deliver to advertisers. So the songs which make it on air are the ones that are least likely to offend people. I recall sitting in a meeting with a radio research company where they basically explained that the corporate radio owners wanted songs that do not illicit strong emotions, either positive or negative. What a laugh, right!? >> This is so deeply depressing, Brenda, that it almost beggars belief. Don't these people have souls?? And so the relentless homogenisation of everything that can be prostituted to turn a profit continues apace. As to the Radio Station as a Computer Software Programme phenomenon, we already have that here; records are categorised according to their genre, bpm, "mood" and so on. I can just picture the wonks scratching their heads over anything more complicated than Baby I Love You. "So, Refuge of the Roads. It's, like, jazz, wouldn't you say?" "Nah, it's got a chick singing on it, so it's singer-songwriter." "Whatever. BPM is too slow to measure. That's not good." "And mood? It kinda sounds downbeat, right?" "Yeah, but it's got a moon/June rhyme, so maybe we can put it under In A Mellow Melancholy Mood" Etc etc. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:08:55 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: (NJC) Your railroad 'guage', you know I just can't jump it Willytheskake wrote: >The US has undoubtedly the worst railway system I have >encountered in the 1st world. You obviously haven't travelled much in England recently!!! Reminded me of an interesting (?) bit of "well I never" trivia I spotted on the Foktrain list the other day - you live and learn! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ever Wonder Why? ... The US standard railroad gauge (width between the two railroad rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and the US railroads were built by English expatriates. Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? The first long distance roads in Europe (and England) were built by Imperial Rome for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots first formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for (or by) Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches derives from the original specification for an Imperial Roman war chariot. So the next time you are handed a specification and wonder what horse's ass came up with it, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses. Thus, we have the answer to the original question. Now the extraterrestrial twist to the story ... When we see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs.. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs might have preferred to make them a bit fatter but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory had to run through a tunnel in the mountains The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So, the major design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a horse's ass. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ PaulC np: Jimmy Webb - Galveston (with Fred Tackett on open-tuned guitar - saw Fred with Little Feat at The Ocean in London recently - playing guitar, mandolin and trumpet - fantastic!! Got some great pics. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:12:22 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Impromptu Joni Cover Why Hells Bells! Yes, that is who I was talking about!! What a small world it tis. Bob there are so many volumes of covers already, the library of Congress should look you up. Blair-de-la-Blig _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 07:24:54 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: This is a joke, right? Catherine wrote: - - --- Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > Kids, we DO know that the so called mysterious > "penis"on the Hejira cover is > Joni's left wrist disappearing into her pocket of > her coat, right? With a > thin bracelet causing the fisherman's hat effect, > yes? Then Catherine: "Some of you have *very* sick minds. I'm seriously worried about you. How many of this came up with this independently? How many of you started looking for this stuff after reading "Subliminal seduction" (remember that one?) I had to dig out the damn album and look really close at it, and now it will never be the same. " I just hope no one tells me that Joni's "Turbulent Indigo" painting has a penis in it! It's hanging on my bedroom wall! Eek! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:28:34 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) Oh Me oh My... Leonard Cohen is one of my favorite song-writers.. I you like him, you should check out his recent live disc from the 1979 tour. IT combines a couple songs from his first album with some "then" recent material. Probably my favorite would be "The Window". I hear he is comign out with a new album. He finally left the monastery I suppose. The title is "Ten New Songs" I suppose. BOy, if he tours, I will be there with bells on..and they would be-a-ringin'. His voice like Joni's has grown deeper and a bit gruffer because of smoking... You can hear the transition from 1979's "Recent Songs" to 1984's "Various Positions" to the last studio effort, "The Future" in 1992. Yet, "Songs of Leonard Cohen" is golden, tender, delicate, well-crafted and well-written, beautiful. Love Blair NP: "A bunch of Lonesome Soldiers"--L. COhen _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:38:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC YesFest <> Ha Ha, the joke's on you my invalid friend...thanks to the Atlanta mosquitoes, I have NO MORE blood to suck! :~D (So much for Avon's "Skin So Soft"!) Bob NP: Traffic, "Glad" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:20:16 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: (NJC) Your railroad 'guage', you know I just can't jump it If that was all true-how amazing. what a funny world we inhabit. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:23:35 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Got to get ourselves ...NJC William Waddell wrote: > Some time ago, a Canadian friend of mine (that's the NJC waiver), sent me > reams of script of how, I think it was General Motors, way back in the day, > bought up a whole load of land across the great USA that belonged to what > might have been the former AMTRAK company, if there was one, to literally, > rip up the railroads. The US has undoubtedly the worst railway system I have > encountered in the 1st world. Have you ever been to the UK? Our system is awful Veyr expensive(and they want me to use them and not my car). It was far better when it was naytionalised. Now we have sevral independent private co's running it and making a complete mess of it. Not only that you can't get west to est without either going north or south first! Like John was over the west somewhere for work on a saturday. In order to get home he would have had to go to London(couple of hours) and then from London up to here! So i drove 2 hours to collect him as it was easier. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:08:51 -0400 From: "Amy Hahn" Subject: RE: Aug.18th, NJC Hello, and thank you for all the birthday wishes! I am coming out of a serious lurking mode to tell you a little about my big day... This actually had to be one of the best birthdays I can remember. In early August I spent a week at a beach house in Cayucos, CA., with friends from LA and SF to celebrate a few Leo birthdays. And yes, I could get used to living in a million dollar beach house...a little different view than I have here in Michigan! I came home, returned to work, and my "real life", to wait on the actual "big day"...it seemed like it was going to be rather quiet, but I was oh so wrong. My darling hubby had planned a surprise party, complete with limo picking us up, whisking me off to my favorite restaurant, (for several of my favorite Cosmopolitans) then back to the house for a grand party with 20 of my favorite people in the world. There were a few odd moments throughout the day, which involved my husband asking my continually, "where is your cell phone, do you have your phone on, does the cell have plenty of battery power, etc...finally a friend says to him, go on, tell her what you did...hmmm, what could be happening? It seems that not only had he been planning this party behind my back for several months, he also had been writing to our wonderful Joni, asking her to call me on my birthday. He started writing the letters in May or June, and did them by hand, as I am on the computer 100% more than he is, and he was afraid I would find the evidence. He didn't think he would write to the list, as I could have possibly read something there...he was being very sneaky. He gave her the cell phone number only, which is why he was driving me crazy with the questions all day...I mean, the only people to use my cell phone number are my kids! But I must confess that I did not receive the call he was so desperately hoping for...but the fact that he did this, well, come on, what a guy...what a keeper! I have no idea where he even sent the letters to, I think it was to the record company, which means that Joni probably has not, or may never see them at all. But there is also the chance that 2 years from now, she will get this pile of mail from a strange fellow in Michigan, begging her nicely to call his wife on her 40th birthday and she could pick up the phone then and there and call me...I may never turn my cell phone off again! After the whirlwind of a party, I jumped in the car with my buddy from OH., (you gardeners will remember Patty) and we went on a antiquing spree for two days through southern Michigan and Ohio...I tell you, life is good. This forty thing is working out pretty nicely, if I do say so myself! So thank you for thinking of me on the day of my birth, and I send out good vibrations to all my fellow Leos...could there possibly be a better time to be born? At least for me this year, the answer would be no! Even if it did involve a new decade...gulp. Oh, and school starts on Monday...life is better than good! Take care everyone~ Amy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:29:13 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Snuggly Paz >Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:53:39 -0700 >From: Michael Paz >Subject: Re: birthdays NJC >I ALWAYS feel snuggly! >Paz I bet you do... (tee hee) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:54:52 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: corporate media NJC Brenda wrote: >Clear Channel does not care about listeners. They want the broadest audience >possible to deliver to advertisers. Yeah, and it is the same way for all corporate-owned media, including TV. It was a real eye-opener for me relatively recently to read somewhere (I wish I could remember where...) that the purpose of television has become to deliver an audience to advertisers. I had basically known it but it was put so clearly... We are the product. It really sucks. Yay, yay, corporate globalization, here we come. Blech. - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:29:22 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Hope Magazine In a message dated 8/21/01 9:56:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, yharlap@yahoo.com writes: << Yeah, and it is the same way for all corporate-owned media, including TV. It was a real eye-opener for me relatively recently to read somewhere (I wish I could remember where...) that the purpose of television has become to deliver an audience to advertisers. I had basically known it but it was put so clearly... We are the product. It really sucks. Yay, yay, corporate globalization, here we come. Blech. -Yael >> Yep that's the way it is. Huge corporations own just about everything now.you may have read about this in Hope Magazine. For those who haven't heard of Hope, I STRONGLY recommend it. It's a wonderful,extremly positive magazine. I have a feeling many people here will LOVE it like I do. the address is: http://www.hopemag.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:04:06 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? Julius wrote: > I knew *that* Jenny, but your "fisherman's hat effect" allusion is a new > wrinkle. Pun intended, or not? ; ) > Now I visualize a penis-man standing at the front of some fishing vessel's > stormy deck, with a head made of one of those slick yellow hats...and > an eye patch... Is this an allusion to the "one-eyed wonder worm?" > If it's penes you seek (that's the plural, pronounced like "pea knees") in > Joni's cover art, see her "Sweet Sucker Dance" painting on the sleeve of > "Mingus". List members concur that there's a member there, no? Yes, there certainly is a member there! Now, for the sake of further discussion: Joni, being always our Lady of Duality, must have had several -- if not MANY -- proofs from which to choose the cover photo of Hejira, even if she created the cover completely by herself (did she? I'm at work and don't have handy reference). So ... does anyone think it a coincidence that she chose THAT particular image for the cover of the album that includes the very obvious lyrical synonym, "boom-boom-pachyderm?" Lori, grinning in DC ~ Make international calls for as low as $0.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:07:44 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: YES! Bittersweet (NJC) long Yes, everything Michael and Bob said is true...we had a splendid time and now its back to craziness...for awhile anyway. I've been helping Holley pack these last two days...packing up trucks in this hot, HUMID Atlanta weather...driving back up to Athens to find work...kids going crazy cause they aren't in school...anyone who ordered a cd&single, Yes it will be on its way soon...just have to find where I packed the snake(no salacious comments please...I was referring to recording equipment :>})...and if all that's not enough, I have a traffic court date on Aug 31, the day I'm supposed to fly out to Boston, all because I have dancing bears on the back of my Corolla and a missing headlight beam I wasn't aware of cause you know those streetlights are so, so bright and you just never get to see any stars so I think I'll just walk out these doors and cruise on over to Paris where I can be free. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Velveteen rabbits and moonbeams, Come when you lay down your head. While you are sleeping, they kiss you and tell you, That you are the reason the sun lights the sky." Scarlet-V. Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:47:40 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: august 18!!!!!!!!! njc kakki, i am hereby wishing you A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > H E Y F O L K S > > it is kakki's birthday!!!!!!!!! > > >come on, now.... a leo girl never waits! Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:49:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: august 18!!!!!!!!! njc SORRY! i sent that accidently! i should be grounded from email until i get my shit together. ANYWAY~~~~~Kakki: a very happy birthday to a very special woman who i admire greatly. i hope it was great, and i'm sorry to be so late on this birthday greeting. love, alison e. in nyc > > H E Y F O L K S > > it is kakki's birthday!!!!!!!!! > > > >come on, now.... a leo girl never waits! > > > > the BF Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:54:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: august 17!!!!!! njc dear pat, wishing you the very happiest birthday possible. again, i am sorry to be late in these greetings, but they are sent with love nonetheless! i hope you had a stellar day, and kicked back with some phat italian food and rich red wine. much love, alison e. - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > pat, siresorrow: the boy is changing decades today!!!!!! yes: he's > finally 20! Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 08:55:00 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Jennifer Warnes (NJC) Catherine asked: >whatever became of Jennifer Warnes anyway? She's still plugging away - I think she has a new album just out, or about to come out. She's done a couple of sold-out weekends at McCabes recently, and I saw her at the Troubadour last November. She has some stunning new material, and still looks great, too. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 09:45:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Subject: Radio VLJC Once again Brenda comes through with an amazing amount of inside information...thank you Brenda!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 18:55:43 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes (NJC) Just spotted an interesting synchronicity of threads! In 1968, she released a version of 'Chelsea Morning' as a single and on her 1972 album called 'Jennifer' (produced by Velvet Underground's John Cale) she included a cover of Jimmy Webb's song 'P.F. Sloan'. Spooky! (as Dame Edna would say) PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 11:18:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > does anyone think it a coincidence that she chose > THAT particular image for the cover of the album > that includes the very obvious lyrical synonym, > "boom-boom-pachyderm?" Shame on you Lori. You KNOW that line's just a reference to a jazz rhythmic figure ... Joni said so herself. And we all know Joni Mitchell NEVER lies ... ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 14:24:26 -0400 From: "denknee" Subject: Re: Radio Daze Clear Channel also seems to be the home, of sorts, to such delightful programming as Dr. Lala and Rush Limblech. That alone is enough to put them on my shit list. I only listen to public radio and two local college stations (WRCT of Carnegie Mellon Universtiy) and WPTS (University of Pittsburgh). I worked for 12 years in commercial radio (in the Sharon, Pa. / Youngstown, Ohio market - I left 16 years ago). I don't wanna hear it anymore. The 'Hejira' cover info brought me a great laugh (and I so like to laugh, thank you). I gotta say I felt a bit ripped on the 'Clouds' cover, tho. But (as Van the Man would say) thanks for the information. denknee ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:55:20 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: charity jazz concert -nyc (njc) dizzy, before he died set up the jazz musicians emergency fund, to help the many jazz musicians who are either homeless or next to it, helping them get things like meals on wheels etc. what a benefit concert they are having to such a fine cause, in harlem in september... On Monday, September 24, the Jazz Foundation will present "A Great Night in Harlem" at the Apollo Theater, 125th Street and Adam Clayton Powell Boulevard, at 7 p.m. The benefit for the Jazz Musicians' Emergency Fund will include this partial list of musicians: Ron Carter, Chika, George Coleman, Bob Cranshaw, Lou Donaldson, Frank Foster, Nnenna Freelon, Slide Hampton, Billy Hart, Louis Hayes, Roy Haynes, Percy Heath, Ahmad Jamal, Howard Johnson, Etta Jones, Junior Mance, Earl May, Jimmy Owens, Cecil Payne, Irene Reid, Ben Riley, Max Roach, Melvin Sparks, Clark Terry, Cassandra Wilson, and Phil Woods. Masters of ceremonies will be Bill Cosby and Gil Noble, host of WABC-TV's invariably illuminating Sunday television show Like It Is (noon). Tickets are available through TicketMaster (212-307-7171) and the Apollo Theater box office (212-531-5300). Limited Golden Circle Orchestra seating is priced at $250, with additional tickets set at $100, $50, and $35. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 16:01:21 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: An unbelievably difficult trivia question I've had They Might Be Giants (the band, not the film) on the brain for awhile, and in the midst of connecting them to Joni discovered at least two different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & TMBG. Anyone who can figure out 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest o' Joni! On another note, why do I even think about shit like this? ;~) Bob NP: Tuck & Patti, "Hold Out, Hold Up, and Hold On" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:48:03 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > I've had They Might Be Giants (the band, not the film) on the brain for awhile, and in the midst of connecting them to Joni discovered at least two different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & TMBG. Anyone who can figure out 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni Only one comes to mind and that was the guy who wrote How Do You Stop(Dan Hartman?). I wasn't aware that Joni covered anyone really tho are there a couple of covers on WTRF? I.m off to bed so can;t be bothered to go look at the sleeve! > & They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest o' Joni! > > On another note, why do I even think about shit like this? ;~) > > Bob > > NP: Tuck & Patti, "Hold Out, Hold Up, and Hold On" - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:01:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - --- "Brenda J. Walker" > > As far as the request line goes, it means absolutely > nothing at most radio > stations now. The corporate owned stations aren't > even programmed by people > anymore. There is a software system at the > corporate headquarters where songs are > selected based on certain metadata. I'm going to guess that the same thing goes on here in Canada, because most of the radio stations you listen to could be anywhere in Canada or the USA. And I know that the station my kids listen to (the one that plays the kid-pop/dance music sort of thing) supposedly takes *requests* but my daughter's friend called to request something and they TOLD her what to request - in return for this, the kid gets to announce the song and the station's call letters, so the kids will do this just to get on the radio. Once the kid made a request (can't remember who it was, but if you said Back Street Boys or 'NSync, it would be a good guess) - then the DJ asked the kid if she liked the group, and she said No! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:02:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cultural highpoint njc - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > it all comes from the diaphragm! > > > > heather > > Oh, Heather! Gawd! LOL! I love it! > > Mark E I can't believe this thread (so to speak) has lasted this long... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:21:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(nJC) - --- Paul Castle wrote: > "Her voice," says Cohen, "is like the California > weather, > filled with sunlight. But there's an earthquake > behind it." > > 'Famous Blue Raincoat' is one of my favourite > albums, too - > especially the song she wrote with Cohen, 'Song of > Bernadette' > - oh my! > I play that one OVER AND OVER - I never noticed that she wrote it with him - I thought it was all his. I love his description of her voice - perfect. > > PS. I've played 'First We Take Manhatten' for many > years > but still don't understand what I'm singing about - > any ideas? can't help you there but I love the song anyway. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:25:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > This is so deeply depressing, Brenda, that it almost > beggars belief. Don't > these people have souls?? And so the relentless > homogenisation of everything > that can be prostituted to turn a profit continues > apace. As to the Radio > Station as a Computer Software Programme phenomenon, > we already have that > here; records are categorised according to their > genre, bpm, "mood" and so > on. I'm a big believer in the pendulum swinging. Weather changes, nothing stays the same, so I see that something good MAY come out of all this - people will rebel against the rampant consumerism and homogenisation and countercultures will develop. It has happened before and it will happen again - just you wait and see. It'll be like hippy days all over again ('cept different). I hope... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:29:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Anne Sandstrom's CD I am listening right now to Anne Sandstrom's CD which arrived in the post today. I want everyone on this list to know how very impressed I am - Anne, you have such a beautiful voice and your songs are absolutely lovely. I feel so privileged to be on this list and to get to hear all this beautiful music I'd never have heard of if it weren't for this wonderful community of souls. NP Anne Sandstrom - Seaside Day Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:34:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Impromptu Joni Cover now njc - --- Blair Fraipont wrote: > Why Hells Bells! > Yes, that is who I was talking about!! What a > small world it tis. Bob > there are so many volumes of covers already, the > library of Congress should > look you up. > Blair, up until yesterday I had been reading your name (to myself) as Fairport - it was only yesterday I finally read it right. I don't believe myself sometimes - I know my eyesight isn't that good, but I was always a good reader! Enirehtac Yakcm (can we spell "dyslexic"?) NP Anne Sandstrom - Somewhere tonight, Mary (and my son banging on the piano and asking, "Why does that sound like a ghost?" at the chromatic part). Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:37:57 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC YesFest - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < will be waiting for you with an army of blood > sucking > flying crusteaceans trained in the Lestat Plasma > Institute.>> > > Ha Ha, the joke's on you my invalid friend...thanks > to the Atlanta mosquitoes, I have NO MORE blood to > suck! :~D > As long as they're not the West-Nile virus-bearing kind. It seems to have arrived here in the last few weeks - at least two dead birds have tested positive for this. Between that and coyote sightings in the streets of suburban Toronto, I have to wonder what's going on in this crazy world of ours - Mother Nature is fighting back and it's not safe to let your cats and small dogs outside anymore without keeping a close eye on them. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:46:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- kerry wrote: > I just hope no one tells me that Joni's "Turbulent > Indigo" painting has a > penis in it! It's hanging on my bedroom wall! Eek! > If it does, I don't even want to know. Nothing will ever be the same for me... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:49:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jennifer Warnes (NJC) - --- Paul Castle wrote: > Just spotted an interesting synchronicity of > threads! > > In 1968, she released a version of 'Chelsea Morning' > as a single and on her 1972 album called 'Jennifer' > (produced > by Velvet Underground's John Cale) she included a > cover of > Jimmy Webb's song 'P.F. Sloan'. > > Spooky! (as Dame Edna would say) > Or "Woooooooooooo, skedddy," as Count Floyd would say. Is it just me that thinks this, or is there more than the *normal* amount of synchronicity on this list? This kind of thing happens a lot around here. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:50:40 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: An unbelievably difficult trivia question Both Joni and TMBG covered a Rodgers and Hart song. Joni did "I Wish I Were in Love Again," and TMBG did "Lady is a Tramp." Now, Rodgers and Hart are undisputedly two different songwriters, even though they collaborated on songs. So I think this answer fits Bob's specific question. Right? Bob challenged: >Anyone who can figure out 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest o' Joni ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 20:55:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- Don Rowe wrote: > --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > > > does anyone think it a coincidence that she chose > > THAT particular image for the cover of the album > > that includes the very obvious lyrical synonym, > > "boom-boom-pachyderm?" > > Shame on you Lori. You KNOW that line's just a > reference to a jazz rhythmic figure ... Joni said so > herself. And we all know Joni Mitchell NEVER lies > ... > ;-) > But she has been known to stretch the truth... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 21:01:01 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? njc > --- kerry wrote: > > I just hope no one tells me that Joni's "Turbulent > > Indigo" painting has a > > penis in it! It's hanging on my bedroom wall! Eek! > > > and Catherine wrote: > If it does, I don't even want to know. Nothing will > ever be the same for me... and then I decide to jump on in: Nope, no penissimo in sight. Although that big button does look a tad suspicious. gawd, the things we write about. mags. np: Prayer for Saint Gregory by Alan Hovanhess....thanks to my Brei sweetie, made my day (looking forward to Tears of Stone and Thirty Something too ;). > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:04:14 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Tears of Stone I am sure that this has been discussed many a time on the list so please bear with me as I visit this place for the first time. Tonight, I have discovered this most magnificent work. Do yourself a favour....run do not walk to the nearest cd site or store or wherever you get your cds and pick up Tears of Stone by the Chieftans. An incredible collection of women's voices, aching hearts, falling tears...and our Joan is in the centre of things with Magdalene Laundries...and what a heart wrenching version it is. I am not sure who is singing along with her ... it is soulful and moving to the core. Mags np: Tears of Stone in the next room... the CD is not in front of me so I cannot tell you which cut this is. Thank you Brei xoxox - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 14:26:41 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: An unbelievably difficult trivia question Bob wrote: > I've had They Might Be Giants (the band, not the film) on the > brain for awhile, and in the midst of connecting them to Joni > discovered at least two different songwriters that have been > covered by both Joni & TMBG. Anyone who can figure out > 2 different songwriters that have been covered by both Joni & > They Might Be Giants can pick a prize from my treasure chest > o' Joni! I think I might have the answer (after a period of sleuthing, when I was meant to be working)! The first (most obvious) is Lorenz Hart/Richard Rogers who wrote "I Wish I Were In Love Again", covered by Joni, and "Lady Is A Tramp", covered by TMBG. The other one took a little more time to track down (and may be wrong) but Zaret co-wrote "Why Does The Sun Shine? (The Sun Is A Mass Of Incandescent Gas)" - Singer/Zaret, covered by TMBG, and also co-wrote "Unchained Melody" - North/Zaret, covered by Joni (sort of) in Chinese Cafe. Am I right? Do I win a prize? What do I get? Oooh, I hope I win a prize! > On another note, why do I even think about shit like this? ;~) Good question. I think it relates directly to your musical sluttiness, or an interest in trivia generally. But don't worry, many others suffer from the same affliction, myself included! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:52:29 -0400 From: Mags Subject: more on tears of stone http://www.escape.ca/~skinner/chieftains/tears.html I found this little page with the details. thanks for the bandwidth. just couldnt let this one lie. mags. again, thanks to my brei. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 23:05:47 -0400 (EDT) From: janine sherman Subject: !"#$ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of CPQStart.exe] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:40:11 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Mpg Hi all- Just got an mpg sent to me of Joni and Croz and Stephen on the Dick Cavett show. Its is just an excerpt (4 meg worth) but really cool. Iff anyone is interested and you have a broadband commection I would be happy to share it with you. Peace Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:40:10 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Jealous Again (NJC) Well I know that many of you are gonna be so jealous again. I am working the N'Sync show tomorrow night here with Michael Murphy Productions, who is doing the video for "In Theater". I went to a production meeting today and got to see the stages. OMG it is an unbelieveable set up. So eat your hearts out, tomorrow i will be hanging with Justin, and Joey and the boys. Maybe even Brittney will be there. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOhhh. Just got the new RS with her on the cover again. I also wanted to mention that I rentes Chocolat the other night anmd I totally loved this movie. It was really funny and the cinematography was amazing. I reccomend to all. You guys have a great week! Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 22:44:20 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: FYI8/22 Boston 2 extra tickets (NJC) for you Bostoners that might be interested. Sorry to those who aren't Paz - ---------- From: "Ernie Osborne" Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 15:13:08 -0400 To: "Windward Shore" , "Lee Shore" Subject: 8/22 Boston-suddenly 2 extra tickets Hi there Lee & Windie Shorers, Due to two of my guests getting ill, I now have two tickets for CSN in Boston tomorrow night (8/22) at FleetBoston Pavilion. Section 3, Row DD. $54 each includes Ticketmasterbater charges. Any takers?? Huh??? Mini-honeymooning Ern acclaim@mediaone.net http://people.ne.mediaone.net/acclaim ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #359 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?