From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #358 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, August 21 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 358 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: njc The unthinkable happening? (cricket content) [dsk ] NJC Re: Covers and, uh, Nyro [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] pope only asked joni and bob ["shane mattison" ] Re: Cultural highpoint njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: This is a joke, right? [Catherine McKay ] Re: This is a joke, right? [Mark Domyancich ] "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: This is a joke, right? [Catherine McKay ] Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Radio VLJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Radio ["kerry" ] Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(SJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Subject: Radio VLJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(SJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Radio VLJC [Catherine McKay ] birthdays NJC [Yael Harlap ] Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(nJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Radio VLJC [Michael Paz ] FW: the song "Woodstock" [Michael Paz ] Re: Radio VLJC - long ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Cultural highpoint njc [Bruyere ] Re: Subject: Radio VLJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Cultural highpoint njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Radio Daze ["William Waddell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:47:11 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: njc The unthinkable happening? (cricket content) AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I was out all evening, and videoed it - I've just finished watching it, and > I'll swear I went a bit dewy eyed at the finish. Mark Butcher - what a man! > I always thought he shouldn't have been dropped. Anyway... > > This is for John in Sydney, with apologies to the infamous Norwegian football > commentator: > > Ned Kelly, Dame Edna Everage, Gough Whitlam, Kylie Minogue, Gary Shearston, > can you hear me?? Your boys took a hell of a beating today!! > > I'll stop babbling now, as most of you won't have the foggiest idea what I'm > going on about :-) So the English actually beat the Aussies? For the first time in, what, 15 years? Wow. How did that happen? No wonder you're so dizzy you're naming names. Dame Edna is familiar from late night talk show appearances and I can picture her now, all aglitter and dressed in something shiny and blue. I wouldn't want to get her upset about anything. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:50:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Sir Paul in New Orleans - NJC That is SO cool. I wonder where they ate??? I am a food freak as well as being a music slut. I also wonder why they were here in the first place?? I wonder if they are recording here in town. Paul did Venus and Mars here at Allen Toussiant's Sea Saint Studios. I will have to call his son Reggie and find out if her knows anything. Thanks for the report. Michael ' ]on 8/20/01 3:17 PM, Merk54@aol.com at Merk54@aol.com wrote: > Paz, > > It is so cool you mentioned Sir Paul being in New Orleans last week. A guy I > work with was down there for a traveling batcher party with a bunch of guys he > went to high school with. They all went out to dinner (not sure of the name > of the restaurant). Anyway the restaurant they were in had this long wing in > it, and even though the restaurant was very crowded, the guys noticed they > weren't sitting anyone in their section. Eventually, it was just their table > and one other with anyone sitting at it, when Sir Paul and Heather were > escorted to a table right next to my friend's. While my friends were classy > enough not to bother them, they did eaves drop on them quite a bit. He said > they were having a very quiet and romantic dinner. At one point they even > heard Paul singing to her - how sweet is that! They then over heard them > talking about going to a jazz club - I'll assume it was Snug Harbor - so guess > where my friend ended up. Apparently, they weren't the only ones eave! > s ! > dropping, because the group at t > he other table also showed up at the same jazz club. While they never did > speak to him, or anything, he said it was a night he will never forget. He > will be so happy you sent your email, because half the people up here didn't > believe it was actually Paul. > > Jack ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:48:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Covers and, uh, Nyro << Hey Bob, I'll write soon.. >> I figured a little Laura talk would shake you from your slumber! ;~) Bob NP: The Subdudes, "lonely soldier" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:15:43 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: pope only asked joni and bob it is well known that dylan performed for the pope at the world eucharistic congress in bologna... but it wasn't well known that dylan said he was the only 'american' asked to do so...other than joni mitchell... http://www.edlis.org/twice/threads/dylan_hospitalization_update.html shane ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:31:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Cultural highpoint njc - --- colin wrote: > kerry wrote: > > > Colin wrote: > > > > >On tv tonight a woman palyed God Save The Queen > on a flute. > > >However, she was naked from the waist down and > the flute was inserted in > > >her vagina.(and no, this was not a US import > show) > > > > This baffles me........how does she get air to > come out? > > I don't know but she took some deep breaths before > she played. Colin, you are SO grotesque! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:36:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: > Kids, we DO know that the so called mysterious > "penis"on the Hejira cover is > Joni's left wrist disappearing into her pocket of > her coat, right? With a > thin bracelet causing the fisherman's hat effect, > yes? Some of you have *very* sick minds. I'm seriously worried about you. How many of this came up with this independently? How many of you started looking for this stuff after reading "Subliminal seduction" (remember that one?) I had to dig out the damn album and look really close at it, and now it will never be the same. For shame, for shame... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:47:25 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? It was that sex fiend, Julie Z. Webb. Yes, it sort of looks like a wang-dang-doodle, but come on! Of course it's just Joni's braceletted hand diving into her black cloak. Mark NP-Grateful Dead, 5/9/77-Big River At 8:36 PM -0400 8/20/01, Catherine McKay wrote: >--- Jennymac48@aol.com wrote: >> Kids, we DO know that the so called mysterious >> "penis"on the Hejira cover is >> Joni's left wrist disappearing into her pocket of >> her coat, right? With a >> thin bracelet causing the fisherman's hat effect, >> yes? > >Some of you have *very* sick minds. I'm seriously >worried about you. How many of this came up with this >independently? How many of you started looking for >this stuff after reading "Subliminal seduction" >(remember that one?) I had to dig out the damn album >and look really close at it, and now it will never be >the same. For shame, for shame... >Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:52:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) I've been listening to this album a lot recently. I don't know much about music, but I can tell that this is great music! I The songs are so moving, and beautiful... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:56:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: This is a joke, right? - --- colin wrote: > > If it's penes you seek (that's the plural, > pronounced like "pea knees") > > it's peni-pronounced pee nigh!!!!! ;-) Nope. It would only be peni if the singular were penus. Still remembering my Latin nouns of the 2nd declension: murus, muri, muro, murum, mure, muro; muri, murorum, etc. Penis would be a third declension noun and I dropped Latin right about the time we got into that - all those stupid noun endings - no wonder it's a dead language - by the time people figured out how to say what they were going to say, it was too late. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:56:37 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) In a message dated 21/08/01 01:53:29 GMT Daylight Time, Relayer211@aol.com writes: << I've been listening to this album a lot recently. I don't know much about music, but I can tell that this is great music! I The songs are so moving, and beautiful... >> Amen to that! Timeless songs, sung with a real tenderness, and lyrics which unlike most in rock can be called poetic without any hint of hyperbole. Hey That's No Way To Say Goodbye, Suzanne and Stories of the Street are my favourites, but they're all great. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:34:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Radio VLJC I remember when I was a teenager living in > Honduras and we use to go out to the drive ins or wherever and tune into > KAAY out of Little Rock, Arkansas, late at night they had a show called > "Beeker Street" and they use to play some amazing shit. We used to get KAAY in Keokuk, Iowa back when I was in my 20s. Beeker Street was truly alternative radio. You'd hear stuff ont that show that you'd never in a million years hear anywhere else. Great station to tune into when you're out cruisin' around after midnight with nothin' to do and nowhere to go.... Thanks for you reviews of the show, guys. Yes is one band I wanted to see badly back when I was in college and never got the chance. I kinda lost interest in them as the years went by. But I do agree with Bob, 'The Yes Album' is one of those records that seems to fit together like the workings of a clock. And 'Close to the Edge' is one of my alltime favorites. Such beautiful, expansive music. Michael, I've suffered from recurrent back problems for years. I feel for you, bro. Hope it's better soon. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:41:31 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Radio Sybil wrote: >And last but not least, why don't I hear Joni on the radio at all any more? >GRRRRR This is so ironic. Last night, I was setting my clock radio and flipping stations when I heard, "I Had a King!!!" I could NOT believe it, so I waited to find out the station. It was a smooth jazz station (which I never listen to) and the DJ, in a very whispery voice said that they were playing "soft songs..." I agree that radio is in a sad state. The classic rock station here plays the same 2 Supertramp songs EVERY DAY and pretty much ignores Neil Young, Dylan, Janis, Jimi, etc. What's wrong with this picture? Don't get me started!!!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 18:39:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(SJC) > << I've been listening to this album a lot recently. I don't know much about > music, but I can tell that this is great music! I The songs are so moving, > and beautiful... >> > > Amen to that! Timeless songs, sung with a real tenderness, and lyrics which > unlike most in rock can be called poetic without any hint of hyperbole. Hey > That's No Way To Say Goodbye, Suzanne and Stories of the Street are my > favourites, but they're all great. Sisters of Mercy and The Stranger Song are two of my favorites. I still think Cohen was Joni's 'Priest' in the song of that name. Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 19:07:14 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Radio VLJC Sybil asked "Aren't some of the listmembers here involved in the music biz, albeit perhaps not directly in radio. Perhaps someone can enlighten me." I am sure Brenda has a much more intelligent response but my answer is two words: Clear Channel, the corporatation that has bought up the majority of commercial radio stations & is now venturing into the concert promotion business which I do not think is a positive thing. I do not think that fm radio as we know it is going to survive. How can it when there are so many great alternatives like you can get via the web or satellite tv? ...where you can hear a huge variety of great music...that is unless there are some regulations passed that put the small digital radio folks out of business...i just learned of something that was recently passed that could mean trouble for digital radio...don't have the details maybe Brenda does... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:38:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(SJC) In a message dated 8/20/01 9:41:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > << I've been listening to this album a lot recently. I don't know > much about > > music, but I can tell that this is great music! I The songs are so > moving, > > and beautiful... >> > > > > Amen to that! Timeless songs, sung with a real tenderness, and > lyrics which > > unlike most in rock can be called poetic without any hint of > hyperbole. Hey > > That's No Way To Say Goodbye, Suzanne and Stories of the Street are > my > > favourites, but they're all great. > > Sisters of Mercy and The Stranger Song are two of my favorites. I > still think Cohen was Joni's 'Priest' in the song of that name. > > These are some of my favorites as well I love Leonard Cohen Have you ever checked out this fan site. It's the most comprehensive that I've found yet. They hold fest gatherings as well Next year it will be held in Hydra, Greece. They've set a limit of 275 participants and I think that they've already reached that. The reason they chose this place was because Cohen lived there for a while and wrote his second novel "Beautiful Losers" as well as many songs and poems. This poem is on the main page of their website. Beautiful, isn't it? One by one the guests arrive The guests are coming through The open-hearted many The broken-hearted few And those who dance begin to dance And those who weep begin Welcome, welcome, cries a voice Let all my guests come in "The Guests" by Leonard Cohen rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:43:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I can NOT agree with you more Sybil. I am in the > music business, but all > that means is that I have far less influence than > anyone else does as a > consumer. You answered your own question here in > your fifth paragraph. It's > really ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. I don't even think the > request line has that > much to do with it anymore. Maybe it's time to band > together and and create > our own cause and boycott all these corporate > monsters and make a change. Arrggghhh! I'm already boycotting them and it ain't working! I swear, if I hear Janet Jackson with that guldarn America/Erik Satie thing one more time, I'm going to throw up! I know there are a lot of Janet fans on this list. Even though I totally *don't get it*, how many times can they play the same frikkin' song??? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:41:29 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: birthdays NJC Paz said... > Damn there sure alot of Leos on this list. Well, that's because there are more people born in August than any other month! So thus, there are more of them on the list. Makes sense, non? I have tried figuring out with my friends WHY that might be the case - and the best we could figure is that people are getting snuggly in November... cold weather coming and all. But that theory only holds water if it works the other way in the Southern Hemisphere... does anyone know? And with that thought, happy birthday to all the Leos!!! hugs, Yael ps: I am very bad about sending birthday greetings but I always intend to...! So happy birthday to everyone I have ever missed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:44:08 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(NJC) In a message dated 8/20/01 10:40:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RoseMJoy@aol.com writes: > Have you ever checked out this fan site. > Ooops silly me, I forgot to give the url http://www.leonardcohenfiles.com rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:44:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Songs of Leonard Cohen"(nJC) - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > << I've been listening to this album a lot > recently. I don't know > much about > > music, but I can tell that this is great music! I > The songs are so > moving, > > and beautiful... >> > > > > Amen to that! Timeless songs, sung with a real > tenderness, and > lyrics which > > unlike most in rock can be called poetic without > any hint of > hyperbole. Hey > > That's No Way To Say Goodbye, Suzanne and Stories > of the Street are > my > > favourites, but they're all great. > > Sisters of Mercy and The Stranger Song are two of my > favorites. I > still think Cohen was Joni's 'Priest' in the song of > that name. > Is this a Cohen album or a Cohen tribute? I didn't much care for "Tower of song", but I love Jennifer Warnes' "Famous blue raincoat" - whatever became of Jennifer Warnes anyway? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:53:39 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: birthdays NJC I ALWAYS feel snuggly! Paz on 8/20/01 7:41 PM, Yael Harlap at yharlap@yahoo.com wrote: > Paz said... > >> Damn there sure alot of Leos on this list. > > Well, that's because there are more people born in August than any other > month! > So thus, there are more of them on the list. > Makes sense, non? > I have tried figuring out with my friends WHY that might be the case - and > the best we could figure is that people are getting snuggly in November... > cold weather coming and all. > But that theory only holds water if it works the other way in the Southern > Hemisphere... does anyone know? > > And with that thought, happy birthday to all the Leos!!! > > hugs, > Yael > > ps: I am very bad about sending birthday greetings but I always intend > to...! So happy birthday to everyone I have ever missed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 21:54:25 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Radio VLJC Mark- Thanks alot. It is so amazing how much we all have in common collectively. Just got off the phone with the Mixon's and ChuckE talking about duh *MUSIC* and I am feeling that warm fuzzy feeling again. I have that feeling that this year is gonna be the bomb. I don't recall seeing your name on the guest list and I have one question for you. WHY THE FUCK NOT???????? Love Paz on 8/20/01 6:34 PM, Mark or Travis at mark.travis@gte.net wrote: > I remember when I was a teenager living in >> Honduras and we use to go out to the drive ins or wherever and tune > into >> KAAY out of Little Rock, Arkansas, late at night they had a show > called >> "Beeker Street" and they use to play some amazing shit. > > We used to get KAAY in Keokuk, Iowa back when I was in my 20s. Beeker > Street was truly alternative radio. You'd hear stuff ont that show > that you'd never in a million years hear anywhere else. Great station > to tune into when you're out cruisin' around after midnight with > nothin' to do and nowhere to go.... > > Thanks for you reviews of the show, guys. Yes is one band I wanted to > see badly back when I was in college and never got the chance. I > kinda lost interest in them as the years went by. But I do agree with > Bob, 'The Yes Album' is one of those records that seems to fit > together like the workings of a clock. And 'Close to the Edge' is one > of my alltime favorites. Such beautiful, expansive music. > > Michael, > I've suffered from recurrent back problems for years. I feel for you, > bro. Hope it's better soon. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:09:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: FW: the song "Woodstock" This was posted on the Lee Shore list and I thought some of you trivia folks ,might enjoy the read even tho it has more actual CSNY content that accurate Joni content Paz - ---------- From: Stephen Barncard Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:11:39 -0700 To: lee-shore@geoclio.st.usm.edu Subject: Re: the song "Woodstock" The opening riff was most definitely Neil. I was with the band in the studio in 1969 when they cut it. They were coming off the high of the festival; it couldn't have been more than a couple of months since the show. They had decided to cut what was to become the 'Deja Vu' album in San Francisco, and to use the company that they used for the first album, at Wally Heider recording. Earlier that summer I had been looking for a job in the business but wanted to live in San Francisco. I got hired two weeks before the sessions. It was one of the first songs that was cut there. Bill Halverson hadn't been hired back yet and Russ Gary, the staff engineer that was assigned to train me, cut the track live in the studio. Joni had to sit out the festival in a hotel in New York, but was probably inspired by what she saw on the TV news and the stories brought back by the guys. All of them ended up on the Dick Cavett show (videos exist) with mud on their clothes, describing what had happened to the audience on TV. I imagine she wrote the song within a few hours or days of these events. Contrast the high of the festival (imagine 500,000 people screaming at YOU) with David's loss of his lady Christine, and you get an idea of the tension in the room when it was recorded. You could cut it with a knife. One of the most amazing things I had ever seen in the studio to this day. One or two takes at the most, and the track was done, the vocals cut the next two days. Stills did a few vocal takes on the lead, Nash put the high parts on top - two part, all three did the choruses and I nearly went through the roof. They were FAST! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:10:01 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Radio VLJC - long Michael Paz wrote: > You answered your own question here in your fifth paragraph. It's > really ALL ABOUT THE MONEY. I don't even think the request line has that > much to do with it anymore. Maybe it's time to band together and and create > our own cause and boycott all these corporate monsters and make a change. Paz you hit it right on the head. Money. Money gets you on the air. Eric Boehlart at Salon has written an excellent series of articles about payola, corporate behemoth Clear Channel Communications (which owns nearly 1,200 stations!) and the sad state of U.S. radio. Here are two of them which really answer Sybil's question: Pay for play - http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2001/03/14/payola/index.html Why does radio suck? Because most stations play only the songs the record companies pay them to. And things are going to get worse. Radio's big bully - http://www.salon.com/ent/feature/2001/04/30/clear_channel/index.html Dirty tricks and crappy programming: Welcome to the world of Clear Channel, the biggest station owner in America. As far as the request line goes, it means absolutely nothing at most radio stations now. The corporate owned stations aren't even programmed by people anymore. There is a software system at the corporate headquarters where songs are selected based on certain metadata. The system generates a playlist and the local station complies. That's why as you drive around the country you hear the same songs on "classic rock" radio (or on adult contemporary or country for that matter). Clear Channel has even decided to eliminate local DJ's so you'll even hear the same voices with the program modified slightly to sound as if it is local. At the heart of our radio woes is the well-intentioned but disastrous Telecommunications Act of 1996. The relaxing of ownership restrictions decreased competition and opened the door for Clear Channel to become the monster that it is. From Clear Channel's web site: "Clear Channel is radio. One out of every ten radio stations across the United States broadcasts under the Clear Channels banner and the companys approximate 1,170 stations bill a full 20% of total industry revenue. No one is bigger, better or more intense than Clear Channel Radio....Clear Channels mission is to broadcast the best programming to the broadest audience providing the best value to advertisers." Clear Channel does not care about listeners. They want the broadest audience possible to deliver to advertisers. So the songs which make it on air are the ones that are least likely to offend people. I recall sitting in a meeting with a radio research company where they basically explained that the corporate radio owners wanted songs that do not illicit strong emotions, either positive or negative. What a laugh, right!? If a song is too good, they don't want to play it. That's why you don't hear someone like Joni on the radio. If you really want to do something, I think any of these are viable options: 1) Boycott Clear Channel stations. Not just because of their bad taste but also because they have pulled out of local charities which their stations previously supported (once even demanding to get a donation returned), allowed animals to be killed live on air and they are frequently on dubious ground when it comes to how they treat their employees, particularly where sexual harassment is concerned. There's a convenient searchable database on their web site where you can check to see what stations they own in your area - http://www.clearchannel.com/radio/back.html 2) Write you representatives about repealing the Telcom Act of 1996. 3) Listen to independently owned or internet radio. There are some great DJ's working on the internet. Here's one site that I'm really digging - http://www.killradio.org/ and Trust the DJ is cool http:/www.trustthedj.com . And check out Americans for Radio Diversity - http://www.radiodiversity.com/index2.shtml and the Corporate Media Portal - http://www.partytown.com/cmp/ . These are just two of the budding legion of sites devoted to ending the giant sucking sound that is U.S. radio. Brenda n.p.: Groovetech - Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 23:09:06 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Cultural highpoint njc it all comes from the diaphragm! heather At 01:20 PM 8/20/01 +0100, colin wrote: >kerry wrote: > > > > This baffles me........how does she get air to come out? colin wrote: >I don't know but she took some deep breaths before she played. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 20:37:59 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Subject: Radio VLJC Kate Bennett wrote: > Sybil asked "Aren't some of the listmembers here involved in the music biz, > albeit > perhaps not directly in radio. Perhaps someone can enlighten me." > > I am sure Brenda has a much more intelligent response but my answer is two > words: Clear Channel, the corporatation that has bought up the majority of > commercial radio stations & is now venturing into the concert promotion > business which I do not think is a positive thing. In addition to owning SFX (one of the largest music promoters in the country - check out this list of venues which they control - http://sfx.com/national_venues.asp), Clear Channel owns a radio research company, an airplay monitoring system (which they used to force the trade R&R, Radio & Records to change which stations report playlists for charts, thus giving themselves more chart power and squashing smaller stations) and more than 700,000 billboards worldwide. They have used this "vertical integration" to extort artist deals for concerts by threatening to drop records from their stations across the country if an artist refuses to make a deal to play their venue on the terms they want. > > that is unless there are some regulations passed that put the small digital > radio > folks out of business...i just learned of something that was recently passed > that could mean trouble for digital radio...don't have the details maybe > Brenda does... > Sad to say that I do have some thoughts on this. Unfortunately, statutory licenses for internet broadcasting are being setup in such a manner that there won't be any small broadcasters because they won't be able to pay the license fees and operating costs. And so-called interactive or "listener-influenced" broadcasts (like Sonicnet and LaunchCAST) will only truly work for organizations who don't have to pay the performance license fees - in other words, the major labels who own the recordings and don't need to license to themselves. Although DiMA (Digital Media Association) is putting up a good public fight, privately most people involved have already said that the game is over. There was a bipartisan bill introduced by Chris Cannon and Rick Boucher, titled the Music Online Competition Act which could help the situation for webcasters. Check the DiMA web site for more info: http://www.digmedia.org/ If the bill is something you feel you can support, write your representative. Brenda still playing: Groovetech - Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2001 22:05:46 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Cultural highpoint njc > it all comes from the diaphragm! > > heather Oh, Heather! Gawd! LOL! I love it! Mark E ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 01:48:19 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Radio Daze Brenda, I have just read and read and reread this snippet of your post and well, I am ... speechless! "Animals to be killed live on air"!!!!! What is this? A Howard Stern Hitler Youth what's-wrong-with-this-picture corporation? What's that Joni line? I think from DED about everything getting sicker. Oh and deep in the night ... Willy the Shaken to ... Contact me off line with more info. I am on a mission! xxx _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #358 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?