From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #353 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, August 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 353 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 17 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: August 17 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Today in Joni History: August 17 ["Kakki" ] collaboration? ["shane mattison" ] Re: Elvis NJC [William T Miyasato ] Re: 'Mark E's in Love' NJC [William T Miyasato ] Collaboration? ["Paul Castle" ] Foni Mitchell dates [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re: Collaboration? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: bad joni portrait/env.(ebay) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: her best sleeve [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Thoughts from Joni on collboration and producers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Let's pool our resources!! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: 'Mark E's in Love' or someone told me it's all happening at the zoo NJC - LONG [Reube] CMIARSRP (was: Re: her best sleeve) [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: CMIARSRP (was: Re: her best sleeve) [Don Rowe ] Atlantic R&B 1947-74 (njc) ["Robert Holliston" ] Talking of sleeves ["William Waddell" ] NJC Re: 'Mark E's in Love' ... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni in the 80s ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: elvis NJC ["Suze Cameron" ] Re: her best sleeve [christopher blake ] some thoughts ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Talking of sleeves [Les Irvin ] Sleeves and Covers [KJHSF@aol.com] A belated Happy Birthday to Les [Jodcrazee@aol.com] RE: bad joni portrait/env.(ebay) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Got ticket to Bjork njc [Lazyasz@aol.com] Re: Got ticket to Bjork njc ["Kakki" ] RE: Sleeves and Covers ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Collaboration? ["Kakki" ] NJC Yes concert ["Diane Evans" ] Re: NJC Yes concert [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Yes concert [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: NJC Yes concert ["Mike Hicks" ] Fwd: Difficult Times (ot) (njc) [jan ] Re: Re: Jimmy W. and Carly S., NJC ["brian symes" ] FTR Best Sleeve ["brian symes" ] RE: NJC Make a new Dubya [Catherine McKay ] Rufus alert - NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Jimmy W. and Carly S., NJC [colin ] Re: Paiting with ?? and music JC [Randy Remote ] Re: 'Mark E's in Love' or someone told me it's all happening at the zoo NJC - LONG ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: 'Mark E's in Love' or someone told me it's all happening at the zoo NJC - LONG ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: bad joni portrait/env.(ebay) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: NJC Yes concert ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:11:20 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 17 On August 17 in Joni Mitchell History: 1969: Joni is scheduled to take part in the "Woodstock Music & Art Fair" in Bethel, NY, but ends up not going. Instead, she spends the day watching news reports of the event on TV in a New York hotel room. A number of explanations for her absence are circulating: 1) David Geffen advises her not to go because of a commitment to appear on Dick Cavett's TV talk show. 2) Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young - also scheduled on the Dick Cavett Show - advise her not to go so that "someone will be on the show" in case they do not return in time. 3) There was a mixup at the airport with the helicopters and Joni got left behind. Here is Joni's version from the Edmonton Festival Press Conference 1994: "I was the person that didn't get to attend. I just wrote the song which kind of glorified it. I was supposed to play Dick Cavett on Monday morning and it was a national disaster, and I went to the airport with CSN, we played in Chicago the night before, and we were all supposed to go with our manager, Elliot Roberts, and our agent, David Geffen. It was deemed that there was no way in so David [Geffen] and I went to Manhattan, the boys rented a plane and got in and then got out because they showed up at my TV show the next day. That night when I watched it on TV at Geffen's house I was the girl who couldn't go to the party." Contrast that with her introduction to the song Woodstock during a concert just 4 months after the event in 1969: "Everybody knows about Woodstock. I started off to go there... I was playing in Chicago and I was with my manager and another group. We had just finished playing in Chicago and they were on their way to the festival and I was on my way with them except that I had to do a television show the following Monday. So, Sunday afternoon we arrived at the New York airport and there were all sorts of hassles with helicopters and transportation into the festival so I got abandoned there. I got left behind and I felt really terrible. I went back into New York City and turned on my television in my hotel room and watched the little bits of it that they put on the news and felt sorry for myself... and then when I saw the magazine articles and pictures of it and everything I really, really felt sorry for myself because it'll never happen again of course" 1974: Tonight Joni performs the last of five nights in a row at the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California. The recordings from these five dates end up as the material for the Miles Of Aisles album, released 3 months later. - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 03:11:20 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: August 17 On August 17 these articles were published: 1998: "'60s spirit infuses Garden party" - USA Today (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980817ut.cfm 1998: "At the Woodstock Site, Measuring the Distance Between Then and Now" - New York Times (Review - Concert, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980817nyt.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 628 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2001 23:46:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Today in Joni History: August 17 > 1974: Tonight Joni performs the last of five nights in a row at the Universal Amphitheater in Universal City, California. The >recordings from these five dates end up as the material for the Miles Of Aisles album, released 3 months later. And listmembers Kakki and Clark were in attendance for the blessed event ;-D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:27:19 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: collaboration? Kakki wrote: <> i think that's a bang on take kakki...a brilliant analysis...you are a veiled artist...you i can add this...these were not even mingus' best by a long shot...i've got a few of his stunning albums with alot better songs than he gave to poor joni...i agree wholeheartedly that she intimidatedly when along with something too forced... "Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" is the only composition on it that reaches near to mingus' capability (imho)...with joni's own "Wolf that Lives in Lindsay" a brilliant second...some places on this album the melodies just don't jive with joni...she sings better jazz now after more experience...she hesitated you know in the production of this thing...as if she should have said no to some of it...like, i need some better songs, charles (like, is "that" our car, Charles?)...or at least, better for joni...what you (and Mark) had to say kakki encapsulates a conversation i had with a jaco fan jazz bassist friend perfectly! and west coast? how about brian wilson, one of the best in the world ever! names too numerous to mention... yes let's fantasize joni collaborating with the right muse with the right stuff...let loose a brian wilson on her....wow... shane http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong p.s. all the best anne...i've never had the chance to interact, but i sincerely wish for you all felicity and fortunicity too... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 01:20:09 -0700 (PDT) From: William T Miyasato Subject: Re: Elvis NJC Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:06:18 -0400 From: bbBear Subject: elvis NJC funny he should come up - i'm listening to my all-time favorite album of his (for the 5th time in the past 2 days), "imperial bedroom". Agreed! I think "Almost Blue" is one of his best ... a song Sinatra could've done well with. And for those who can't abide the voice, Costello's songs have been covered by a whole slew of artists: Linda Ronstadt (though he trashed her version of Alison at the time), Everything But The Girl and Bette Midler off the top of my head. Bill Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 02:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: William T Miyasato Subject: Re: 'Mark E's in Love' NJC Should I go for 'Magazine'? 'Ghostyhead'? 'Pirates'? What next! Great post, Mark! Though there have been many who call her the "female Tom Waits," for their similarity in musical landscapes, characters and personae, Rickie Lee's definitely one of a kind! Of the three mentioned, I like "Pirates" the best, but might I suggest "Girl At Her Volcano?" It's got originals, covers, live performances. "My Funny Valentine" is on this one, and while it may not be one of your favorites, it's one of mine. I think it's one of those "perfect" songs. A singer friend of mine said it's a deceptively simple song to sing, with all sorts of minor-fifth degree changes or something like that (I'm no musicologist, so whatever she said just flew over the top of my head), but the song always manages to move me. "You make me smile with my heart ..." Bill Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:51:28 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Collaboration? Kakki wrote: >So while I don't ever want her to go purposely >looking to hook up with another famous musician >just to see what might happen, I would still love if >she happened to find an affinity with another that >brought out the very best in her. The first person who springs to my mind (who I know you love too, Kakki) is Jimmy Webb. When I first saw him live, I arrived a little late and came in as he was in the middle of a piano solo - my first thought was 'Joni' - - the colour of his chords had that same wistfulness - I was totally spellbound, unable to move - until the end, when I realized that my mouth had been wide open throughout. I may be way off, but I have a feeling they would have a ball working together, too. Knowing how much I love his album '10 Easy Pieces', a friend recently sent me a copy of his 'Archive 1970 to 1977' album - great to hear Joni harmonising joyously on the chorus of 'Walk Your Feet in the Sunshine' (with, I imagine, Susan Webb, although it doesn't mention either in the credits). Looks like he wrote this in London. In the liner notes, he says, "Sitting in my little Mews House at Three Kings Yard listening to Joni play her songs from "Court & Spark". Eating walnut cheese from Harrod's. Recording at Trident, spending money, hurting bad." PaulC (fantasizing what it would be like to see Joni and Jimmy on back to back grand pianos in a small room - anyone know the whereabouts of Aladdin's lamp?) np Jimmy Webb - P.F. Sloan (perfect for a sunny Friday morning in old London Town - "the last time I saw P.F. Sloan - he was summer-burned, he was winter blown" (who was P.F. Sloan, I wonder?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:21:22 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell dates Hello Friends, Two dates coming up..... Saturday 1st September - Baggeridge Folk Festival, Staffordshire UK Saturday 8th September - Robin (1) Club, Brierley Hill, Dudley UK (supporting The Corrz - with a "z"!) Vikki Clayton will be guesting on lead vocals at both gigs, but our (wonderful) new singer Sam Weeks will be taking the microphone at The Robin for two or three songs so that we can introduce her. Sam's voice has got to be heard to be believed, and we are thrilled to have found her. Best wishes to you all. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:36:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Collaboration? <<(fantasizing what it would be like to see Joni and Jimmy on back to back grand pianos in a small room - >> Wow, Paul...this would be superb! The thought of it has me drooling as much as her working w/Ani...the mutual respect between both of them, and the fact that neither really has anything to prove, would make for a marvelous collaboration! <<"the last time I saw P.F. Sloan - he was summer-burned, he was winter blown" (who was P.F. Sloan, I wonder?)>> What little I know about P.F. Sloan, he was a fixture in west coast music production during the late 50's/early 60's, probably worked a lot with Webb and hence the "summer-burned" reference. Sloan, Brian Wilson, Terry Melcher, & ? Usher (forget his first name) produced most of the earliest "surf music", one of my favorite genres. Bob NP: TMBG, "Don't Let's Start" (new album "Mink Car" out Sept. 11!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:40:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: bad joni portrait/env.(ebay) <> Man, that is one nasty-ass picture, Randy! Reminds me of that Twilight Zone episode called "The Eye of the Beholder", where all the 'normal' people were hideous, hog-like creatures, and Donna Douglas (Elly Mae Clampett) was considered disfigured because of the way she looked. Anyway, Joni looks like one of the hideous hog people in the picture...I just may have nightmares about this one! Forget happiness...go directly for the REAL facelift!! :~D Bob NP: TMBG, "32 Footsteps" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:42:15 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: her best sleeve <> Don't worry, Jason...I do! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:43:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Thoughts from Joni on collboration and producers <> That statement is HUGE, Kakki...hadn't seen it before. Thanks for digging it out and sending it! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:59:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Let's pool our resources!! Hey Y'all! Here's a cool just-posted E-Bay item: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1456824477 An autographed tambourine (signed by Joni) Let's buy it and we can play it at the Jonifest! It'll be like Joni's there! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:03:53 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: RE: 'Mark E's in Love' or someone told me it's all happening at the zoo NJC - LONG >>Now pass me that plate of crow and give me some recommendations! So far I have 'Rickie Lee Jones', 'Traffic From Paradise' and 'Flying Cowboys'. Should I go for 'Magazine'? 'Ghostyhead'? 'Pirates'? What next! Mark E. in Seattle<<< Mark, I'm not hugely familiar with RLJones, either, but of the four albums that I have, "Ghostyhead" and "Pirates" are noteworthy. "Pirates" is great...good songs, great melodies, good vibe. "Ghostyhead" is amazing...Rickie Lee does trip-hop, literally. Its very Bjorkish (minus the dance) and wonderful. What a voice. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:20:32 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: CMIARSRP (was: Re: her best sleeve) I am outraged. After years of keeping my mouth shut on the criticism heaped upon Joni's slippery "Dog Eat Dog", I now find the other 80's masterpiece "Chalkmark In A Rainstorm" undergoing similar treatment. CMIARS is my favorite of the 80's trio. I think that the vocals on this record are among Joni's best, and she makes some of her very best background noises: "Lakota", with all of those chants and whimpers; "My Secret Place", with those beautiful noises behind the third verse, and all of the others. Oddly enough "Corinna Corinna" is the only track on the album that I don't think fits...its too organic, or something. CMIARS also holds the "best sleeve" title, IMHO, followed closely by NRH and DED. Today marks the start of the CMIARSRP (Chalkmark In A Rainstorm Reclamation Project). No membership fees, but you have to sing "Dancin Clown" with me (and do the voices) if we ever run into each other. Reuben np: Carly Simon - The Bedroom Tapes (this one finally grew on me...didn't like it at first.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: CMIARSRP (was: Re: her best sleeve) "You're always chargin' THRUUUUUUUUU!" Wow that was fun! We should run into each other more often! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 06:46:51 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Atlantic R&B 1947-74 (njc) Hey everyone, For years, I've owned the Atlantic R&B set on vinyl: a few days ago I broke down and bought the 8 CD box set. I know that this compilation is of great historical importance, but somehow that's beside the point when you're actually listening to it. Song after song (there are 203) grabs you and makes you want to dance, sing along, snap your fingers, or just rejoice in the wonder of great music making. Lovers of Aretha Franklin can hear not only her but precursors like LaVern Baker and Ruth Brown; there are also great performances by "Big" Joe Turner and Ray Charles (to say nothing of all those people whose names are no longer familiar but who really kicked ass way back in the 50s and 60s). Needless to say, I'm recommending this set very highly. If you're interested in comparing notes, please get back to me offlist (this is SO njc!! Or maybe not - Joni was probably dancing to just this music when she was a teenager.....) Cheers, Roberto ps. I visited Cleveland and the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1997, the year Joni was inducted. I must admit it was boring, despite Joni's signature and Jim Morrison's sixth grade homework. The highlight for me was seeing a plaque honoring LaVern Baker, who was a great star in the 1950s and then lapsed into obscurity. She enjoyed a brief comeback in the early 90s, but, alas, she died in 1997. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:50:38 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Talking of sleeves Just yesterday I was burning a compilation Joni CD for someone to take on a flight and on looking at the cover of C&Spark I was reminded that the painting on the cover has always baffled me. The little swirly bit at the top of the Toblerone-esque thang. It looks like it should represent something obvious but I've never been able to see anything. Any ideas? Favourite album cover? - Hejira Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:55:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: 'Mark E's in Love' ... Mark, thanks for taking the time to write yet another incredible post! I aspire to your eloquence, sir. Some comments: <> Boy, I REALLY agree! Last night I began work on Covers, Volume 25 (!), and one of the tracks is Frente's (live) version of "You Turn Me On, I'm A Radio". The lead singer tells the crowd (they're in a small venue) "Why are you all chatting it up at the bar...it's very off-putting, if you could shut up, please..." When the PERFORMER has to say it, you know it's bad! <> I'm intrigued by this comment, Mark. What specifically do you dislike about Lorenz Hart's lyric on this one? I've always thought his rhyme of "laughable" and "unphotographable" was masterful. Also like the "you make me smile with your heart" line. Shoot, I like the whole thing...maybe you just need to hear Elvis Costello's version! ;~D <> Like everyone else, Mark, Pirates should be the next one, then Magazine. I don't think you can go wrong with any of them. But Pirates....Oh, man, that's her Hejira. Thanks again for a charming read this morning! Bob NP: TMBG, "Ana Ng" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:11:11 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Joni in the 80s OK, with all due respect to those who love Joni's 80s albums, I'll just say that there are four songs I'd keep from her output during that decade: Chinese Cafe Moon at the Window Love Corrina, Corrina I guess that means that I prefer WTRF to CMIARS, and that I don't like DED at all. That would be right. When I first joined the list, many people told me to listen to DED again and again, so that I might see the light. Well, I did. And whatever charms this album may hold for others, they are absolutely lost on me. The inexplicable thing is how easily people (including Elvis Costello) dismiss the 1980s. Some (but by no means all) of my favorite artists who released great albums in the 1980s are: Madonna, Cyndi Lauper, Elvis Costello, U2, Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush, The Pretenders, The Police, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Tom Waits, Los Lobos, Prince, Eurythmics. I forgot a lot of people. But I didn't (don't flame me, this is just mho) forget Joni Mitchell..... Roberto _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 10:12:56 -0400 From: "Suze Cameron" Subject: Re: elvis NJC Barbara, Imperial Bedroom is my favorite Elvis too, and there are too many also-rans to note. Wasn't this written during the time when he was battling his drinking problem? The songs are brilliant, and the CD as a whole is wonderful. Almost Blue, what a gorgeous song! Sue Cameron n.p. Little Savage - Elvis Get 250 color business cards for FREE! http://businesscards.lycos.com/vp/fastpath/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 07:18:41 -0700 (PDT) From: christopher blake Subject: Re: her best sleeve - --- Nuriel Tobias wrote: > what do you think is joni's best album sleeve? i > would love to know. > yours, > nuriel > hi nuriel. i have always been partial to 'mingus'. it is a great painting and makes for a very classy sleeve. also, 'blue' must be a close second [as featured in the movie 'almost famous'] have an awesome day - chris[topher] Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 08:18:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: some thoughts CMIARS brought me back to Joni because of the rhythms...I felt it was a return to what I originally loved about her work... Collaboration...with another writer (lyrics, melody) is quite different from that with other musicians (arrangements or parts)... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 09:43:12 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Talking of sleeves At 07:50 AM 8/17/2001, Willy the Shake wrote: >Just yesterday I was burning a compilation Joni CD for someone to take on >a flight and on looking at the cover of C&Spark I was reminded that the >painting on the cover has always baffled me. The little swirly bit at the >top of the Toblerone-esque thang. It looks like it should represent >something obvious but I've never been able to see anything. Any ideas? From the "Starart" book http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/79starart.cfm : The painting is titled "The Mountain Loves The Sea" (1971, water color, 10=" x 14".) Joni writes: "'The Mountain Loves The Sea,' which became the album cover for 'Court and Spark', was done on my land in Vancouver. It was done in a moment of whimsy. It's a metaphor for the way the waves met up with the mountain; the way they embraced one another." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:14:12 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Sleeves and Covers Here's something that has baffled me more than the penis on the Hejira cover: On the cover of Blue, we see Joni's face in a kind of silhouette. There is something odd near her chin and I have never been able to see what this is. Is it a microphone? A telephone? A (former) friend told me he thought it looked like she was drooling or slobbering. Does anyone know? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:16:41 EDT From: Jodcrazee@aol.com Subject: A belated Happy Birthday to Les Les, I know it was awhile ago but I got behind in my digests and just found out. I hope you had a very nice day and hey- if Neil knew it maybe he would have released something from your wish list. Julie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:53:31 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: bad joni portrait/env.(ebay) i agree with ken. you know who she looks like? madeleine sherwood!!!!! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de KJHSF@aol.com Enviado el: Viernes, 17 de Agosto de 2001 02:37 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: bad joni portrait/env.(ebay) , but the depiction of her mouth is almost beyond comprehension. LOL Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 13:22:26 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: John Kelly's Paved Paradise Friday 8/24/01 in NYC Is anyone here planning on attending this free event next Friday evening? His performance in Bryant Park in September of 1997 was my first JMDL activity, so it holds a special place in my heart. I will most likely take the NJ Transit train up from South Jersey and take the NYC subway to the show location (6th St and Ave B) just for the evening. I hope that John Kelly and I are not the only jmdlers there that night! Hope to hear from someone(s) later, Brei np: Anne Sandstrom, Ordinary Life (thank you so much, Anne. It is lovely and your life is by no means ordinary) - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:19:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: rickie lee jones i alos highly recommend pirates & the magazine...also you should hear girl at her volcano if only for the magnificent rainbow sleeves (written by tom waits)..that is if it is still available... also anyone who loves rickie lee should try listening to patty griffin's living with ghosts...one of my favorite singers & a great debut album... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:03:09 EDT From: Lazyasz@aol.com Subject: Got ticket to Bjork njc Wow, the ardour of the Bjork fanbase should never be underestimated indeed. Ya I managed to strangle one ticket from the Internet presale for her concert at the LA Music Center on October 22. You guys should try to get tickets to her gigs while they last. She's performing with a full orchestra, choir, Harpist, and electronic backing band. e-mail me if you want more details. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 11:52:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Got ticket to Bjork njc Wow, I had no idea of this and it's just a block from me! Thanks for the heads up! Kakki Lazyasz wrote: Ya I managed to strangle one ticket from the Internet presale for her concert at the LA Music Center on October 22. You guys should try to get tickets to her gigs while they last. She's performing with a full orchestra, choir, Harpist, and electronic backing band. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:29:21 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Sleeves and Covers Drooling? Slobbering? Not our Joan!! db - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of KJHSF@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 11:14 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Sleeves and Covers Here's something that has baffled me more than the penis on the Hejira cover: On the cover of Blue, we see Joni's face in a kind of silhouette. There is something odd near her chin and I have never been able to see what this is. Is it a microphone? A telephone? A (former) friend told me he thought it looked like she was drooling or slobbering. Does anyone know? Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 12:34:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Collaboration? Paul C wrote: > The first person who springs to my mind (who I know > you love too, Kakki) is Jimmy Webb. >I may be way off, but I have a feeling they would have > a ball working together, too. Knowing how much I love > his album '10 Easy Pieces', a friend recently sent me > a copy of his 'Archive 1970 to 1977' album - great to > hear Joni harmonising joyously on the chorus of 'Walk > Your Feet in the Sunshine' (with, I imagine, Susan Webb, > although it doesn't mention either in the credits). Looks like he wrote this in London. I've thought about those two many times, also. They were very close in the old days (in a good affinity way) and he is just so reverentially gaga over her talents and artistry that I imagine he could enhance her and wouldn't "get in the way" with her. He's going to be here at the Cinegrill again in October for several nights and I am looking forward to see who shows up in the audience! Last time he was here I was surrounded by Brian Wilson, David Paich, Henry Diltz and Johnny Rivers! By the way, I think that Webb wrote most of his best songs during that stretch in London. Art Garfunkel covered 11 of them on what I think is one of the most gorgeous albums of all time, "Watermark" (wore out three tapes of it). Garfunkel also covered Webb's knock-you-over "All I Know" which I've heard was written about a love affair Webb had while in England. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:35:25 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: NJC Yes concert My charming husband took me to the Yes concert in Ohio last night. I went because Ric is mad about the band, not because I particularly like them. After last night's performance I think I may have to give them a second chance, in spite of the conditions of the concert. Throughout the show a rather drunken lout near my left ear kept shouting, in a voice like gravel rolling down an empty flatbed truck, "Ye-aahh!" I don't mind their peculiar way of having fun, but regret it always seems to happen near me. ;-) Okay, the acoustics were lousy, too, with the electric music often drowning out the orchestra and the violins close to shrieking through the PA at times. The music actually sounded better way out on the other side of the performing area, but you lose the nuances of the performance from there. When I arrived I figured we'd be hearing another 70's band that should retire, since their voices usually already have. I was pleasantly surprised to find them in excellant voice and the music so much more than I had previously given them credit for! Egads, I hate it when my husband's right. But then, again, he did learn to listen to Joni with me! The moral of these ramblings is: go see Yes on this tour if you can! Thanks for the bandwidth, Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:22:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Yes concert Cool, Diane...I'm going to Atlanta tomorrow for a "Pre-fest Fest" with Victor & Paz, and we'll be grooving to Yes as well, at Chastain Park where I saw Joni in 2000! Bob NP: TMBG, "Why Does The Sun Shine", 3/18/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:24:48 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Yes concert In a message dated 8/17/01 4:06:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, diquintevans@hotmail.com writes: << My charming husband took me to the Yes concert in Ohio last night. I went because Ric is mad about the band, not because I particularly like them. After last night's performance I think I may have to give them a second chance, in spite of the conditions of the concert. Throughout the show a rather drunken lout near my left ear kept shouting, in a voice like gravel rolling down an empty flatbed truck, "Ye-aahh!" I don't mind their peculiar way of having fun, but regret it always seems to happen near me. ;-) Okay, the acoustics were lousy, too, with the electric music often drowning out the orchestra and the violins close to shrieking through the PA at times. The music actually sounded better way out on the other side of the performing area, but you lose the nuances of the performance from there. When I arrived I figured we'd be hearing another 70's band that should retire, since their voices usually already have. I was pleasantly surprised to find them in excellant voice and the music so much more than I had previously given them credit for! Egads, I hate it when my husband's right. But then, again, he did learn to listen to Joni with me! The moral of these ramblings is: go see Yes on this tour if you can! Thanks for the bandwidth, Diane _______________________________________ >> If anyone can't tell by my name on here, I'm a Huge Yes fan. I've seen them 4 times.(I'm sure I'd have seen them many, many more times, if I was born earlier. I'm in my 20's now) I plan to see them next week, but I can't imagine it will be as good as the last tour's concert! they were EXCELLENT! They played all the old, long songs from albums like "Tales from topographic oceans" and "Close to the edge".IT makes me somewhat angry that Yes is so ignored and unappreciated by this generation, especially people my age and younger. Just like with Joni,kids today are missing out on good music, while listening to garbage like Brittany Spears and N'sync.It really is a shame... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:49:37 -0500 From: "Mike Hicks" Subject: Re: NJC Yes concert > Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:22:23 EDT > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Subject: Re: NJC Yes concert > To: > Cc: > Reply-to: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > Cool, Diane...I'm going to Atlanta tomorrow for a "Pre-fest Fest" with Victor & Paz, and we'll be grooving to Yes as well, at Chastain Park where I saw Joni in 2000! > > Bob > > NP: TMBG, "Why Does The Sun Shine", 3/18/01 Hope ya'll have a blast. I'll have to pass it up. I did enjoy past performances by Roxy Music, Joni, and Nanci Griffith. Chastain is a great venue. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 14:21:08 -0700 From: jan Subject: Fwd: Difficult Times (ot) (njc) The Dean of Women at an exclusive girls' school was lecturing her students on sexual morality. "We live today in very difficult times for young people. In moments of temptation," she said, "ask yourself just one question: Is an hour of pleasure worth a lifetime of shame?" A young woman rose in the back of the room and said, "Excuse me, but how do you make it last an hour?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 15:40:49 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re: Re: Jimmy W. and Carly S., NJC Yup they did a torch song CD ( Laura, Don't smoke in bed etc) together. I wil give it a "C" Compared to Joni's BSN getting an "A". Mr Web arrangements were way to Hollywood smaltzy for my taste. For an added bonus John Travolta snuck in a sang a Duo with Carly. NP Who's bed have you've been blowin your nose in. Shania Twang Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 16:15:52 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: FTR Best Sleeve "For the Roses" Is my favorite package. Her green velvet outfit, sitting with a real "back to the garden" surounding. Back in Brown Detroit I dreamed about finding that beach with a blonde waiting for me. Funny I did meet a blonde finally on an Oregon beach But I fell for a her redhead girl friend instead. Brian Live to dream, Dream to live Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:36:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: NJC Make a new Dubya - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > catherine, > was that a ... compliment? > WK > Well, yeah! Didn't you notice the comparison to the big G? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:42:03 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Rufus alert - NJC Just got my ticket to the solo (sans band) Tori Amos concert tour. Opening act: Rufus Wainwright! Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 01:20:05 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Jimmy W. and Carly S., NJC wasn't a torch song album but Film Noir-songs from old films. She did an album called Torch back in 80 which was an album of torch songs. The difference between film Noir and BSN? Well one of them can still sing...... brian symes wrote: > Yup they did a torch song CD ( Laura, Don't smoke in bed etc) > together. > I wil give it a "C" Compared to Joni's BSN getting an "A". Mr Web > arrangements were way to Hollywood smaltzy for my taste. For an added > bonus John Travolta snuck in a sang a Duo with Carly. > NP Who's bed have you've been blowin your nose in. Shania Twang > > Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:11:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Paiting with ?? and music JC "jlamadoo, home account" wrote: > Seriously though, I whine like an audiophile, so here's my opinion. The > lyrics are plenty clear but it sounds like Larry mixed it. There's plenty > of bass, that's for sure. I wouldn't call the sound "extremely poor". No > way. I remember thinking that her vocals had this electronic, whisssssssspy > sibilance too now that I reflect. If I remember, the credits show that Joni > herself mixed it. > > But there are only about 3 people on this list that are bothered by that > kind of thing. (What do you think, Randy?) Is Simon lurking? Besides, > it's so great to see her doing that stuff, it's kinda poor form to complain > about the audio. (It was recorded for video after all, not for disc. No > offense, Michael.) > > She looks a lot better dancing on video than on CD too. :) In other words, > video is a different animal. It's been so long since I've seen it. I don't remember being grossly offended by the sound. A few points, though. Depends on the source-a non-hifi VHS will sound, well, lo-fi. Also, broadcasters are often careless with the quality of their sound (& video), and then, is it routed again through a local cable company? More degradation. Mixing for video is a whole trip in itself. First you have to realize that 95% of the people watching it will hear it on a single 4" speaker. So most people will mix for that, add lots of compression, and boost the highs and lows. Your description fits with this. Ideally you want it to sound great on any type of system, but it is going to be a compromise. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:20:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: 'Mark E's in Love' or someone told me it's all happening at the zoo NJC - LONG > mark, mark, mark!!!!!!! > how long i have waited for this moment! the day your perverse taurus > stubbornness would make way for your amazing taurus aural sensitivity and > accept, accept, accept. i am so moved: one more person that ''gets'' rickie. > and what's more important, that person is you, someone i respect and admire > for his emotional depth. thank you for letting the walls come down. > my set at the jonifest will include a tribute to rickie lee jones. i deem it > fit and fair. such a pity that you will not be there, but i want to dedicate > it to you if i have your permission. I would be honored, Wallushka. You must tell me what you sang and how it went. I was hoping you liked my review as I know how much you love Rickie Lee. Take Care! Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:29:21 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Collaboration? njc >Garfunkel also covered Webb's knock-you-over "All I Know" which >I've heard was written about a love affair Webb had while in England. > >Kakki > a love affair he DIDN'T have, the way i heard it... a bunch of jmdlers went and saw jimmy webb in boston a couple of years back and he told a story about that song. seems he was entranced with an english lass and tried his usual technique: "get the girl on the bench" meaning write a song for her, set her down on the piano bench and play it and she'll be putty in your hands. so he wrote the song, sat next to her and played it and she said (webb imitating posh accent) "oh but that's silly..." d'oh, dissed. so he gets on a plane to new york, broken hearted, sees the headline "simon and garfunkle split" and says to himself, "art's going to need material". the rest is history... patrick np - einojuhani rautavaara - angel of light, mvt. 1 (tranquillo) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 18:31:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: 'Mark E's in Love' or someone told me it's all happening at the zoo NJC - LONG > mark, > > thank you for writing so beautifully, as you so often do, about music. i > would have loved this post no matter who you were praising. but i do love > it even more, that it's rickie lee. I'm so glad you enjoyed it. You & our own Rickie Lee are the other two people I was hoping would like it (are you out there, Ric?) I would never have gone to this concert without the interest you sparked when you sent me that tape. Wally K has me dead to rights I'm afraid when he talks about my Taurean stubborness. I have a tendency to dig my heels in about certain things & it's hard to make me budge. Thank you again. > > i was actually at a fantastic outdoor concert this eve, as well. radiohead, > at liberty state park. a nice ferry ride from manhattan, a lovely eastern > seaboard evening and a band that is inventing something truly new and > interesting. fantastic! So why don't you tell us more about it? Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 21:35:22 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: John Kelly's Paved Paradise Friday 8/24/01 in NYC brian, would you forward the original post regarding this performance, please? john's performing in the 6b garden? is it a benefit for the gardens? i'd like to be there, it's a few blocks from my old apartment and only a few blocks from tomkins square park where john first began doing joni during the annual wigstock festival. it would be fun joni-gathering. looking forward patrick np - rautavaara - angel of light >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Brian >Gross >Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:22 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: John Kelly's Paved Paradise Friday 8/24/01 in NYC > > >Is anyone here planning on attending this free event next Friday >evening? >His performance in Bryant Park in September of 1997 was my first JMDL >activity, so it holds a special place in my heart. > >I will most likely take the NJ Transit train up from South Jersey and >take the NYC subway to the show location (6th St and Ave B) just for the >evening. > >I hope that John Kelly and I are not the only jmdlers there that night! > >Hope to hear from someone(s) > >later, > Brei >np: Anne Sandstrom, Ordinary Life (thank you so much, Anne. It is >lovely and your life is by no means ordinary) >-- >After twenty-three years you'd think I could find >A way to let you know somehow >That I want to see your smiling face >Forty-five years from now. > > --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:00:00 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: My Funny Valentine njc > <> > > I'm intrigued by this comment, Mark. What specifically do you dislike about Lorenz Hart's lyric on this one? I've always thought his rhyme of "laughable" and "unphotographable" was masterful. Also like the "you make me smile with your heart" line. Shoot, I like the whole thing...maybe you just need to hear Elvis Costello's version! ;~D I've been trounced for this before but here goes. I don't like the whole concept of this song. To me it's condescending & insulting to the person it addresses. In my head it basically says 'you're ain't exactly pretty, your bod ain't so hot and you're not the brightest light bulb on the Christmas tree but I love you anyway'. If it had even that little glimmer of humor in it, it might not be so bad. But I find the melody, though very beautiful in & of itself, to be very maudlin, as if the person singing actually pities the object of their affection. It just seems that the lyricist feels very superior to the person they love and feels the need to reassure them. Kinda unhealthy, I think. Now I know the song says 'don't change a hair for me, not if you care for me' but couldn't there have been at least one positive thing to say about this person? You're sweet. You're kind. You have a wonderful sense of humor. You make other people feel good about themselves. But no. All we get is 'you make me smile with my heart' and 'you're my favorite work of art' which really doesn't say anything except you amuse me and appeal to me in some obscure way. Ok, that's enough ranting. I know that many disagree with me and I respect that. I also acknowledge the genius of Richard Rogers & Lorenz Hart. Maybe it's a generational thing, but I just find this song to be very annoying. Sorry if that upsets some people but you did ask! .any of them. But Pirates....Oh, man, that's her Hejira. > > Thanks again for a charming read this morning! > Hey, I'm glad you liked it, Bob. And you don't need to aspire to anyone's eloquence. Mark E. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:03:37 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: bad joni portrait/env.(ebay) Omigod! Sister Woman! Mother Superior! You're right! (It sure as hell don't look like Joni) Mark E. > i agree with ken. you know who she looks like? madeleine sherwood!!!!! > wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2001 19:19:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Yes concert > Throughout the show a rather drunken lout near my left ear kept shouting, in > a voice like gravel rolling down an empty flatbed truck, "Ye-aahh!" I don't > mind their peculiar way of having fun, but regret it always seems to happen > near me. ;-) AAAUUUGGHHH!!!! I find this more & more annoying everytime it happens. What's with people at concerts these days? Okay, the acoustics were lousy, too, with the electric music > often drowning out the orchestra and the violins close to shrieking through > the PA at times. The music actually sounded better way out on the other > side of the performing area, but you lose the nuances of the performance > from there. I had a very similar experience when The Moody Blues played the Gorge with an orchestra a few years ago. All in all it was an enjoyable show, the first time I had ever attended a rock concert with my older brother, but the sound was horrible. I wondered why they felt the orchestra needed to be miked but maybe it really was necessary. The Gorge is a large venue. But still, although it wasn't the New York Philharmonic or anything, it was a large enough orchestra that I would think the sound would carry. But maybe not over the electric instruments. Anybody know what the logistics are of making a concert like this work on a sound system in a large venue? Mark E. ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #353 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?