From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #347 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 347 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- friends [Nuriel Tobias ] zoinks (njc) [evian ] Pop Music with Joni Content [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Pop Music with Joni Content [Janet Hess ] point well taken ["shane mattison" ] Re: Pop Music with Joni Content [Vince Lavieri ] Voting and politics, JMDL style [Les Irvin ] Re: point well taken ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: censorship of the list [Randy Remote ] Popular Song ["William Waddell" ] Re: zoinks (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Subject: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) [slarty ] Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Re: The Meaning Of Life (NJC) ["jlamadoo, home account" ] Re: apologia pro vita sua (njc) [jan gyn ] Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) [jan gyn ] What I have learned of LIFE ["Thom Byrd" ] Re: The Meaning Of Life (NJC) [dsk ] Re: NJC The meaning of life ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 13:33:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: friends "freddie said that juan thinks i think he's the devil". ok now so what i really do'nt understand is does juan think joni thinks that he's (juan) the devil or is it freddie that says that juan thinks that she thinks that he's (freddie) the devil? and to you, joni, what do you mind if one of them thinks you think he's the devil? we're you saving that tytle for someone special? someone you really like? do'nt you know that once you find out that joni mitchell does'nt think you're the devil you've got nothing to live for? is'nt it enough you had to tell the whole world that ammy may was'nt a real blonde? god what a bitch. _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:43:56 -0600 From: evian Subject: zoinks (njc) So I check in after a few weeks of deleting digests, and I see posts like "The Meaning of Life", and who is Jesus, etc. Zoinks, can't we go back and post favorite goat dancin' songs again or defend DED or something until I get my bearings again? LOL, I'm too rusty for this (or my white trashiness is a rearin' it's ugly head again). A collegue of mine is doing some research on indigenous philosophies and religion, and since I am the only non-Aboriginal person in the office, he wanted to contrast my viewpoints with his, etc., and so it got me thinking, and got me confused, and I've decided to take Marge Simpson's advice and forget my troubles with a big bowl of strawberry ice cream ;) Love y'all and miss y'all, Evian np: Replacements -- Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:58:27 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Pop Music with Joni Content I just discovered today that I have the Bravo channel on my cable tv and Bravo is having a history of pop music special, episodes 1-3 tonight, and a nice Joni clip as featured in the promos. I have no idea what time, etc., as I am waiting for the next promo to run. But it looked encompassing and it has a nice Joni clip. (the Rev) Vince http://www.bravo.com for more info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:16:56 -0400 From: Janet Hess Subject: Re: Pop Music with Joni Content Thanks for mentioning this. FWIW, I couldn't get Bravo using the link you provided, Vince. This worked for me, though: http://www.bravotv.com/ Here's a snip from their site: Popular Song: Soundtrack of the Century Featuring an unrivaled list of contributors, commentators and both contemporary and archival footage, this compelling, eight part series chronicles modern music history from Irving Berlin to The Beatles to Britney Spears. (Each episode 1:00) August 12 beginning at 9pm (ET); August 13 - 17 at 7pm (ET) and 11pm (ET) At 04:58 PM 8/12/2001 -0400, Vince Lavieri wrote: >I just discovered today that I have the Bravo channel on my cable tv and >Bravo is having a history of pop music special, episodes 1-3 tonight, >and a nice Joni clip as featured in the promos. I have no idea what >time, etc., as I am waiting for the next promo to run. But it looked >encompassing and it has a nice Joni clip. > > - -------------- You've got to shake your fists at lightning now You've got to roar like forest fire You've got to spread your light like blazes All across the sky Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:38:36 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: point well taken dear sharon, yes that's very true what you said about various rascals who so radically depart from the translators who, in the days of tyndale and coverdale and the king james commission, well i believe their motives were loving, and in their honesty, not hiding this, they had to pay like wyclif and tyndale - at the stake for their life's work of love... i simply believe as tyndale believes...that at heart, the scriptures he so dearly loved really speak of a divine unconditional and loving acceptance of every human being, and that joni's 'heart healer' is the author of this love for everybody... so really and truly love is the thing... point well taken, sharon... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:51:09 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Pop Music with Joni Content Janet Hess' link works far, far, far better than mine, thanks Janet, and to get more specific, the Joni content (she's a featured performer) will be on Wednesday, not today for all of the episodes, link to http://www.bravotv.com/sections/festivals_popular_episodes.php but for the details of Wednesday's Joni content, Episode #6 Wednesday August 16th 7pm & 11pm ET 8pm & 11pm PT Part Six looks at music of the late Sixties and early Seventies, a time when Rock 'n' Roll took as sudden a turn as the teenagers who grew up on it did. Upheavals in society such as Vietnam, the deaths of the Kennedy brothers and Martin Luther King, Jr. and the tragedy at Altamont, even the breakup of the Beatles, took their toll on a society of young men and women who had led a freewheeling youth, and this was reflected in the music of the time. As the golden age of the Beatles finished, so did the golden age of America ? and for both, a new age of highly personal lyrical navel-gazing took flight. As old groups disbanded (The Birds, Buffalo Springfield and the Hollies), new groups were formed (Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young). By the mid-Seventies the mellow sound of the Eagles was the best-selling music in the world. But with punk looming over the horizon, the backlash was only a moment away. Featured Artists:: America, The Byrds, Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young, Eagles, The Grateful Dead, The Band, Joni Mitchell Commentators: Carole King, David Crosby, Jerry Garcia, Robbie Robertson, Roger McGuinn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:01:33 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Voting and politics, JMDL style Joniphiles - My never-ending battle with the website hackers has required that I once again reset the voting booths on the JMDL website back to zero. So, a fresh new poll has begun! I encourage everyone to register (http://www.jmdl.com/gallery/register.cfm) then cast your vote for your favorite Joni songs and albums. Registration is free, painless, and confidential (and, the only way to keep the hackers at bay :-) Thanks, Les ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:29:44 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: point well taken You are a good man shane. :) shane mattison wrote: > > dear sharon, > yes that's very true what you said about various rascals who so radically > depart from the translators who, in the days of tyndale and coverdale and the > king james commission, well i believe their motives were loving, and in their > honesty, not hiding this, they had to pay like wyclif and tyndale - at the > stake for their life's work of love... > i simply believe as tyndale believes...that at heart, the scriptures he so > dearly loved really speak of a divine unconditional and loving acceptance of > every human being, and that joni's 'heart healer' is the author of this love > for everybody... > so really and truly love is the thing... > point well taken, sharon... > shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:41:37 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Pop Music with Joni Content I believe it is on at 8:00 p.m. central time. Vince Lavieri wrote: > > I just discovered today that I have the Bravo channel on my cable tv and > Bravo is having a history of pop music special, episodes 1-3 tonight, > and a nice Joni clip as featured in the promos. I have no idea what > time, etc., as I am waiting for the next promo to run. But it looked > encompassing and it has a nice Joni clip. > > (the Rev) Vince > > http://www.bravo.com > > for more info ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:17:08 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Joni on VH1 I turned on the TV and caught the tail end of a clip of Joni circa early 70's playing the piano on a VH1 special titled "From the Waist Down." The narrator was saying something about if you're a woman in rock, and you don't got the rhythm, then you don't got nothing. They then cut to the clip of Joni at the piano. This aired around 7 p.m., EST, so heads up west coasters. I wish I'd seen more of the clip! Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:22:11 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: who was judged and who wasn't Shane, It seems there were many different ways in which to interpret your post. It looks like I picked an incorrect interpretation, based on the people to whom it was addressed and their participation in a thread which you started. Basically, you started the "heart healer" thread with a very precise facts from the Old Testament. Most, if not all, of the followups were much lighter hearted in nature, giving people's personal takes on things. It is this to which I thought you'd taken exception. I did quite a lot of back reading to try and ensure I hadn't read it all wrong... Unfortunately, I think the very oblique nature of the "apologia" post made it hard to interpret correctly, or more importantly, easier to interpret incorrectly. So: sorry. I can only plead that I was aided and abetted by a couple of beers and a short temper - the last message I'd read that "didn't mention names" was rather clearly directed at certain people, so I kinda had that buzzing in my head too. As for the Oxford thing... I'll try and explain myself. I don't know what it was like in England when you were at Oxford. But these days in the UK, making a point of saying that you studied at Cambridge or Oxford in the way you did doesn't add weight or credence to arguments, rather the opposite I'm afraid. There's nothing personal in that point: I live in Cambridge myself, and know some very wonderful people who have graduated from there, and a few from Oxford too. However, the modern "oh yah" element from these institutions has created an overall public perception that concentrates on the negatives (pretentiousness, daddy's money, may ball survivor photos and garden parties) not the positives (undeniable academic excellence, bloody hard work to get there, employability, and so on). Lastly, I'd just like to say one thing about the issue of messages being sent directly to someone in addition to the list. The default action of most mail packages when used in combination with the mailing list system (such as the Joni list uses), is to address "replies to all" to both the list *and* the original poster. If the message does go to the list *and* the poster, I suggest humbly that it should not be interpreted as being sent directly to the poster alone, rather being a side effect of the interaction with the mechanics of a mailing list such as this one. I myself forgot to think hard about this one. Regards, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 19:23:19 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni on VH1 In a message dated 8/12/01 7:18:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KJHSF@aol.com writes: > I turned on the TV and caught the tail end of a clip of Joni circa early > 70's > playing the piano on a VH1 special titled "From the Waist Down." The > narrator was saying something about if you're a woman in rock, and you > don't > got the rhythm, then you don't got nothing. They then cut to the clip of > Joni at the piano. This aired around 7 p.m., EST, so heads up west > coasters. > I wish I'd seen more of the clip! > Ken I caught the same portion of that VH1 show last week. Joni is singing "Rainy Night House" and it might have been from the Dick Cavett Show. At least the set was reminiscent of Cavett's. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:31:42 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Subject: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) Nope. This scene and the song are at the end of "Life of Brian", Python's best film, and their indictment of religion (or, more precisely, it's followers). "Always Look On The Bright Side of Life" was written by Eric Idle. The film "The Meaning of Life" has some great bits in it, but is somewhat uneven. My favorite part is the segment which includes "Every Sperm Is Sacred"-explaining why contraception is evil. As to the meaning of life, according to Barnes and Barnes it's linoleum. I have to lay linoleum tomorrow, so I'll let you know. RR slarty wrote: > Yup. As the final credits role you find our heroes on crosses being > crucified > while they sing- "Always look on the bright side of life." > A golden moment in cinematic history. > > Kate Bennett wrote: > > > wasn't that a Monty Python movie...i need to watch it > > again...******************************************** > > Kate Bennett > > www.katebennett.com > > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 16:41:41 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: censorship of the list Please, contribute in whatever conversation you choose to, but don't try to censor the subject matter for the rest of us. MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: As such I suggest that this entire Middle east discussion be terminated forthwith. shane mattison wrote: ...and let's get on with the music, evian wrote: Zoinks, can't we go back and post favorite goat dancin' songs again or defend DED or something until I get my bearings again? LOL, ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 17:03:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: censorship of the list Sorry I forgot the NJC "No Joni Mitchell 8 tracks in the car" -Weird Al Yankovic, "I'll Be Mellow When I'm Dead" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:10:13 -0500 From: "William Waddell" Subject: Popular Song This may be a little late in posting but currently (Sunday 9pm) on Bravo (channel 225) there's an 8-part documentary on the history of popular songs. Just finished Berlin and Gershwin, now Louis Armstrong, however in the hourly intro there's a shot of Joni. So maybe she'll be talked about in a later part. "... behind the popular song." Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:59:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: zoinks (njc) - --- evian wrote: > So I check in after a few weeks of deleting digests, > and I see posts > like "The Meaning of Life", and who is Jesus, etc. > So, Evian! How's the babby? How's the wife? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:13:24 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: Subject: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) Right you are. It's been a while since I've seen the movies. You're also right about Brian being their best movie. Questioning Brian's Mother-"Are you a Virgin?" Brian's Mother-"WHAT?!!" Randy Remote wrote: > Nope. This scene and the song are at the end of "Life of Brian", > Python's best film, and their indictment of religion (or, more > precisely, it's followers). > "Always Look On The Bright Side of Life" was written by > Eric Idle. > The film "The Meaning of Life" has some great bits in it, but > is somewhat uneven. My favorite part is the segment which > includes "Every Sperm Is Sacred"-explaining why contraception > is evil. > As to the meaning of life, according to Barnes and Barnes it's > linoleum. I have to lay linoleum tomorrow, so I'll let you know. > RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 23:36:21 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) "It says right here on page 43 that you should, 'Dive right into it else you'll find it's passed you by.' " Ironically, David Crosby wrote this when his horrors were still *ahead* of him.... Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:03:56 -0700 From: Rick and Susan Subject: Re: NJC The meaning of life > From: Vince Lavieri > 2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the > left. See now Vince, this is obviously a vindication of what Marcel has been saying all along. Or in the light of a recent thread, this is proof that God made an error in judgement when he created left-handed people. But everyone knows I'm joking, right? And I did get more out of your post than just this attempt at frivolity. Ecclesiastes reads almost like an amalgam of the ideas of many different belief systems. Fascinating reading. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:02:46 -0400 From: "jlamadoo, home account" Subject: Re: The Meaning Of Life (NJC) Martin, In my opinion, G*d isn't the "how". Physics is the "how". G*d is the "what". There may not be any 'why' at all...... Is G*d in that place, just outside the room, where we 'go' in shock, sleep, anethesia, and ultimately, JoniFest? hee hee Is it still a state of grace if there's nothing there? Is "OM" a something or the absence of a thing? Is a breeze a thing if you never step outside it to describe it? How can we forget something that we came from- to which we will return? Is amnesia part of the bargin of awareness? What a cruel trick that we are "aware" of *this* existance so.... acutely yet so un-aware of the OM. Maybe being aware of this tiny amount is all that I can handle. Maybe we get more later. "Guesses at most." "So I send up my prayer wonderin' who's there to hear?" Lamadoo, Newly re-united with an email account at home today and sending a reply across the Atlantic, and it costs me.... almost nothing...... and travels in a blink-k-k-k- Then..... Martin, whom I've never met, sees me in my perplexed wonder.... A thought without a corpus. (Sorry Colin. I had to use a 'fancy' word this time.) Email is a *won*derful thing in several ways.... Thanks Les for being the embodiment of delivering email to us. Martin wrote: >>>> One thing that leaves me dissatisfied with any 'higher power' explaination is that really it doesn't explain 'why' or 'how'. Were are left guessing the answer to the same question as we started with. My own gut feeling is that there isn't a 'higher power'. But one thing that would really make me smile would be if scientists actually come across proof of a 'creator'. (Could actually track it down and point to it and say, "There it is"). Perhaps if and when we get to that point, said deity will reveal itself fully and give us the answer to why we (and the rest of the universe) are here. Freeoow! Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:22:24 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: re :passion play thankyou...i appreciate it actually the discussion of the passion play song started days before i gave my opinion...many had already stated their views on it and who jesus was...it was very interesting... have a good week... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:39:26 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: apologia pro vita sua (njc) At 11:37 AM 8/12/01 EDT, MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: >I find it both interesting and revealing that so many on the list are now >telling Shane they dont understand what he just wrote. lol. Let me guess- you used just one hand to type this. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 21:25:05 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) At 04:11 PM 8/12/01 +0100, colin wrote: >Okay-I don't get this post but yes, Doris is in heat and Brad and >Mitchell are not going to get any so they are not happy. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitten! - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 00:37:06 -0400 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: What I have learned of LIFE Is not to waste it (*~*)the meaning of life is in the living and the learning*And in the end it is only kindness that matters* (*~*)thom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 01:32:02 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: The Meaning Of Life (NJC) Growth Debra Shea NSeeingIMH: Blades of grass so determined to exist they can crack a sidewalk as they grow ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 22:29:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC The meaning of life Rick wrote: > > 2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of a fool to the > > left. > > See now Vince, this is obviously a vindication of what Marcel has been > saying all along. > > Or in the light of a recent thread, this is proof that God made an error in > judgement when he created left-handed people. > > But everyone knows I'm joking, right? > > And I did get more out of your post than just this attempt at frivolity. > Ecclesiastes reads almost like an amalgam of the ideas of many different > belief systems. Fascinating reading. I know you are joking, Rick, but I found something interesting. Because it was kind of difficult to read in email format I went to my Catholic Douay bible to follow along and was surprised to find that while the thoughts are essentially the same, it is often worded in a sometimes significantly different context. Just an observation that I had never noticed before even though I had also studied the King James version as a kid. At any rate, here is something I found regarding the above. Ecc. 10, 2 in my bible says "The wise man's understanding turns him to his right; the fool's understanding turns him to his left." Then there is a footnote that says "It is doubtful whether the author is endorsing either direction - see Proverbs 4, 25. So I go there and here is what is says: "Let your eyes look straight ahead and your glance be directly forward." Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #347 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?