From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #344 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, August 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 344 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: August 11 [les@jmdl.com] Re: someone using your name [Nuriel Tobias ] my's opinion of the heart healer ["shane mattison" ] everyone [Kammass@aol.com] njc-someone using ur name [Kammass@aol.com] mommy dearest [Nuriel Tobias ] cat sex njc ["kerry" ] Re: cat sex njc [colin ] Re: njc-someone using ur name [colin ] Turbulent Indigo - LONG [Leslie Mixon ] Henry Diltz show njc [ZZScotty@aol.com] The Middle East [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: The Middle EastNJC [colin ] Larry Good on Taming the Tiger -review ["shane mattison" ] Re: my's opinion of the heart healer ["Kakki" ] Re: my's opinion of the heart healer ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: The Middle East [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: my's opinion of the heart healer [colin ] Re: my's opinion of the heart healer NJC [Kammass@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #342 ["Kakki" ] Re: my's opinion of the heart healer [Mags ] Re: my's opinion of the heart healer ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] The Meaning of Life?(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) [Mags ] Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) [slarty ] Lefites Of The World, Unite! [William T Miyasato ] RE: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RV: going home [jonifest content] ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: someone using your name while you're having fun with your wicked jokes people are dying in my land and those living are about to face a dreadfull war. i wish i could be like you then surely the only thing i'd worry about was the use of the word "fuck" in our list and my spelling. but i'm not you. i speak and write broken english. i live in a place that forces me to be angry. the situation in israel is not "my personal problem". the people here, jews and arabs, are not rock'n'roll stars - so it's easy to understand why you find no interest in them shane. - --- "shane mattison" > wrote: > > > >
i regret to inform you that someone's using your >name while spreading prejudice...they went so far as to say:
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<<the people of israel are so brain washed >and racist...>>
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and:
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<<do you think that the israeli care?the hell >they do....>> 
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and this  person, using your name again, used >insulting and foul language, which is not acceptable on the jmdl, >saying,
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<<and i don't give a fuck about what dylan >say!s to joni>> and attacks him as if he belongs to a 'racict' (sic) cult >and for playing '"peace" songs on their bar-mitzva's' and that 'maybe he's too >stoned to notice what's realy (sic) going on'... 
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this person, whoever they were, didn't realise how >much temerity it takes to use  racist language and hate literature...and >then point fingers at someone like dylan, as if dylan was ruining the world and >they had appointed themselves, hate and all, to fix world problems!
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so i thought it important to bring this to your >attention so you can change your email and i.d. so no crackpot ever tries >to use your name ever again, and hopefully they'll just take their personal >problems elsewhere...
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shane 
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Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:20:55 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: my's opinion of the heart healer i laid back on the passion play discussion because others seemed to be covering all the bases... for its only my opinion and i guess i run the risk of being called old-fashioned, but what the heck, joni said she's old-fashioned too about some things... well, here goes...in the prophets books of the Old Testament, there are many references to a future messiah, some like in isaiah 53 speak of his suffering rejection, and david in psalm 22 of being pierced in his hands and feet while beneath they gamble for his clothes...both of these sections then speak of his being honoured after his death and that he would see the nations coming to give him worship... but the passage i find even more interesting is the prophet zechariah...God says in this passage that some day in the far future Israel shall... "and they shall look upon me who they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn..." (12:10...the change in pronouns is correct) so i feel like c.s.lewis did...these, and there are many more, prophecies were written hundreds of years before the life of Christ... that's why he said "Before Abraham was, I am..." as c.s. lewis pointed out, and these men who wrote these things were all martyred...being honest was slightly important to them, if jesus made these statements, then either he is God or a madman...again, the honour of the apostles lives were at stake...that is to not make up fables...we are confronted with a great quest...if he is the former, then no man can lay claim to what he is... and then like an old blues player said in calgary to me, i think it was pinetop perkins,..".i sure nuff ain't followed the Lord very well.. ..no siree..." now i go scurry off with pinetop... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:24:54 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: everyone > i regret to inform you that someone's using your name while spreading > prejudice...they went so far as to say: > <> > and: > <> > and this person, using your name again, used insulting and foul language, > which is not acceptable on the jmdl, saying, > <> and attacks him > as > if he belongs to a 'racict' (sic) cult and for playing '"peace" songs on > their > bar-mitzva's' and that 'maybe he's too stoned to notice what's realy (sic) > going on'... > this person, whoever they were, didn't realise how much temerity it takes to > use racist language and hate literature...and then point fingers at someone > like dylan, as if dylan was ruining the world and they had appointed > themselves, hate and all, to fix world problems! > so i thought it important to bring this to your attention so you can change > your email and i.d. so no crackpot ever tries to use your name ever again, > and > hopefully they'll just take their personal problems elsewhere... > > > > > someone sent me this email today. if it is true someone is writing all of those things. oh well. hopefully everyone knows i didnt write these things. i guess someone realized i got on the joni only and now is writing this stuff where i did not see it. can one receive back posts? i sure would like to read what ive been writing. kammy from alabammy Return-Path: Received: from rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (rly-yg04.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.4]) by air-yg04.mail.aol.com (v79.27) with ESMTP id MAILINYG44-0811023406; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:34:06 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (78.64/28.201.89.66.in-addr.arpa [66.89.201.78]) by rly-yg04.mx.aol.com (v79.20) with ESMTP id MAILRELAYINYG46-0811023345; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:33:45 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7B6XH4j015584; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:33:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f7B6XC6b015577; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:33:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:33:11 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7B6X74j015566 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f7B6X6mc015564 for onlyjoni-outgoing; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:33:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com [24.0.95.141]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f7B6X14j015558 for ; Sat, 11 Aug 2001 02:33:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cs125179a ([24.70.97.215]) by femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.20 201-229-121-120-20010223) with SMTP id <20010811063259.SMSI23412.femail14.sdc1.sfba.home.com@cs125179a>; Fri, 10 Aug 2001 23:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c12230$c2cd65e0$d7614618@cg.shawcable.net> From: "shane mattison" To: , Subject: someone using your name Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 00:42:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Sender: les@jmdl.com Reply-To: "shane mattison" Unsubscribe: mailto:onlyjoni-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/onlyjoni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com Precedence: bulk i regret to inform you that someone's using your name while spreading prejudice...they went so far as to say: <> and: <> and this person, using your name again, used insulting and foul language, which is not acceptable on the jmdl, saying, <> and attacks him as if he belongs to a 'racict' (sic) cult and for playing '"peace" songs on their bar-mitzva's' and that 'maybe he's too stoned to notice what's realy (sic) going on'... this person, whoever they were, didn't realise how much temerity it takes to use racist language and hate literature...and then point fingers at someone like dylan, as if dylan was ruining the world and they had appointed themselves, hate and all, to fix world problems! so i thought it important to bring this to your attention so you can change your email and i.d. so no crackpot ever tries to use your name ever again, and hopefully they'll just take their personal problems elsewhere... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 08:23:03 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: njc-someone using ur name thank you all for clearing that up. I understand now! I guess it touched a nerve with me, because my husband is arabic from Palestine. guess i'll get back on the njc list so I can keep everything straight. i have missed all the no joni stuff anyway. thank you all again, kammy from alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 07:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: mommy dearest she said "snap out of it!" (face lift). is'nt this one a great line? a mother who sees her daughter caught in a sort of a lover's nightmare or some hipnotic horror movie for so many years tries to wake her up by nearly an old witch's command "snap out of it!". this one and "you've seen too many movies, joni" - which tops every critique ever written by a proffesional - are a wonderful contrast to the convoluted words by joni, and they're something very healthy - sad but true - that only a mother can use in order to let in some fresh air and cut off the noose around her daughter's throat. it's like joni says to us "you know, folks, i've put you all under the spell of my blue for so many years and have'nt really done anything to release you from it, so i'd just like to let you know what my mother's done for you and me". there should always be a myrtle line on every joni album, that's what i say! like - "oh you make evrything i dread and everything i fear come true" - myrtle: "knock it off!" - or - "no mercy sweet jesus no mercy from turbulent indigo" - myrtle: "i think we've had enough of it!". i just love that woman. nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 10:22:34 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: cat sex njc One time I was taping a cat documentary on PBS, while Murphy (aka Myrtle) was sleeping on the couch. He wasn't really paying attention till they showed a cat sex scene. His head shot up and his eyes practically popped out! I labelled it, "Myrtle's Naughty Tape." Kerry SPINH - (still playing in my head) JT - Your Smiling Face (Awesome concert last night!) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:18:40 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: cat sex njc Pussy porn! whatever next! kerry wrote: > One time I was taping a cat documentary on PBS, while Murphy (aka Myrtle) > was sleeping on the couch. He wasn't really paying attention till they > showed a cat sex scene. His head shot up and his eyes practically popped > out! I labelled it, "Myrtle's Naughty Tape." > > Kerry > SPINH - (still playing in my head) JT - Your Smiling Face (Awesome concert > last night!) - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:20:10 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: njc-someone using ur name I wondered what was going on too when you seemed to think this was about you! persoanlly, I found nothing wrong with Nuriel, IN Israel, expressing his feelings on that appalling situation. Kammass@aol.com wrote: > thank you all for clearing that up. I understand now! I guess it touched a > nerve with me, because my husband is arabic from Palestine. guess i'll get > back on the njc list so I can keep everything straight. i have missed all > the no joni stuff anyway. > thank you all again, > kammy from alabammy - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 09:02:18 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Turbulent Indigo - LONG From the liner notes to "Van Gogh Face to Face - A Portrait In Music": My ambition, Vincent wrote to his brother Theo in 1883, is in spite of everything, founded less on anger than on love, more on serenity than on passion. It is true that I am often in the greatest misery, but there is a calm in harmony and music inside of me. He went so far as to try to establish a direct relationship between color and music - and even took piano lessons, crying out Prussian Blue! or Chrome Yellow! as he struck each chord. Vincent and Theo went to several concerts in those earlly days and were particularly fond of Wagner's music. Later, after reading a book on the composer, van Gogh noted, I feel the relation between our color and Wagner's music...In a picture I want to say something comforting in a way that music is comforting. In the end we shall have had enough of cynicism and skepticism and humbug, and we shall want to live more musically...By intensifying all the colors, one arrives again at quietude and harmony... He wrote, We painters are always asked to 'compose' ourselves and be nothing but composers...in the music it isn't like that, and if some person or other plays Beethoven, he adds his personal interpretation ; in music and especially singing, the interpretation of a composer is something, and it is not a hard and fast rule that only a composer should play his own composition. We recently saw "Pollack" and in the film, Jackson is at a society party on New Year's Eve and pisses in the fireplace. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 13:33:02 EDT From: ZZScotty@aol.com Subject: Henry Diltz show njc I just read that Henry Diltz is hosting a show of his photographs at the Oxford Hotel in downtown Denver, CO Friday, August 17 from 10 a.m to 9 p.m., and Saturday, August 18 from 10 a.m to 6 p.m. He is also conducting a slide show at 7 p.m. on Friday. All shows are free. Sounds pretty cool. If anyone needs directions to the Oxford, let me know. Will be listening to, tonight: The Eagles, live! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:07:48 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: The Middle East For the last nearly six years I have participated in the JMDL and there have been many poltiical issues discussed. The one characteristic of all of them has been for one side to totally ignore facts and history preferring to insert nonsense, mythology, and fabricated emotional interpretations of same for actual well researched discussion. As such I suggest that this entire Middle east discussion be terminated forthwith. It can only lead to a senseless flame war. It takes knowledge to discuss this not balderdash and bullshit. When I see some of the statements made already and the immediate resorting to words like "racist" that is a sign that few on the list are prepared to actually discuss the issue. So lets forget the whole idea. Please. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:22:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: The Middle EastNJC The arrogance displayed in this post is truly astounding. People who not only believe they are right but think they know what is right for everyone else are dangerous and the reason we live in the climate we live in. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:40:45 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Larry Good on Taming the Tiger -review a very good cd review from Larry Good on Taming the Tiger... Larry ties in the album accurately, with a certain economical panache, with joni's earlier work, as well as pointing out certain advances in the joni repertoire with this work... www.larrygoodcomposer.com/cdr5.html worth saving in the jmdl database? shane http://www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:56:42 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: RE: The Middle East (NJC) Marcel wrote:- > When I see some of the statements made already and the immediate > resorting to words like "racist" that is a sign that few on the list are > prepared to actually discuss the issue. What on earth are you thinking? Personally, I found it very interesting to hear an "ordinary" voice from Israel. Hell, I didn't care for the "racist cult" reference to Dylan, but I don't know anything about Dylan and potential cult membership. If I knew more about that, I'd give more of a damn about the comment. As it is, I won't pass comment on something that I clearly don't know about. Personally, I thought it was very insightful to hear an Israeli pass disfavourable comment on his own people - that must have been hard. It gives some balance to the stuff we hear on the radio and on the TV from Israeli politicians. Have you ever heard an Israeli politician interviewed who wasn't short tempered, impolite, and clearly fuming the whole way through the interview? I haven't. So I for one welcome an alternative view, and do not welcome an attempt to stifle it. > It takes knowledge to discuss this not balderdash and bullshit. Be careful here: the overall tone of your post, plus your clearly held views of American politics, make it sound like you feel you have the necessary knowledge... and that those who have already written on the subject do not. I think Nuriel is perfectly well qualified to comment, yet your knee-jerk objection to his use of the word "racist" makes it seem that you do not. > The one characteristic of all of them > has been for one side to totally ignore facts and history preferring to > insert nonsense, mythology, and fabricated emotional interpretations of same > for actual well researched discussion. Let me guess... you were on the *other* side of those discussions, right? - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 14:17:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer Shane wrote: > so i feel like c.s.lewis did...these, and there are many more, prophecies were > written hundreds of years before the life of Christ... > that's why he said "Before Abraham was, I am..." as c.s. lewis pointed out, > and these men who wrote these things were all martyred...being honest was > slightly important to them, if jesus made these statements, then either he is > God or a madman...again, the honour of the apostles lives were at stake...that > is to not make up fables...we are confronted with a great quest...if he is the > former, then no man can lay claim to what he is... I haev a great book around here somewhere on the old testament prophets and love reading about them. I have no problem personally accepting that he was both man and God but many people do not for their own reasons. Some believe the old testament prophets concerning the Messiah but do not think he has yet come. Some believe he will come again. Some believe Jesus was a great prophet and holy man who was very close to God. As someone who comes from a multi-denominational family background, I have always felt that an individual's religious beliefs, whatever they are, should be respected. Beyond that I don't want to raise up any embers here by making these comments. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:09:06 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer I believe Jesus stood for diversity. Those proclaiming to know the true meaning of the old testament fail to consider scholarly exegesis. Thank you for your great post Kakki. :) I agree. Kakki wrote: > > Shane wrote: > > > so i feel like c.s.lewis did...these, and there are many more, prophecies > were > > written hundreds of years before the life of Christ... > > that's why he said "Before Abraham was, I am..." as c.s. lewis pointed > out, > > and these men who wrote these things were all martyred...being honest was > > slightly important to them, if jesus made these statements, then either he > is > > God or a madman...again, the honour of the apostles lives were at > stake...that > > is to not make up fables...we are confronted with a great quest...if he is > the > > former, then no man can lay claim to what he is... > > I haev a great book around here somewhere on the old testament prophets and > love reading about them. I have no problem personally accepting that he was > both man and God but many people do not for their own reasons. Some believe > the old testament prophets concerning the Messiah but do not think he has > yet come. Some believe he will come again. Some believe Jesus was a great > prophet and holy man who was very close to God. As someone who comes from a > multi-denominational family background, I have always felt that an > individual's religious beliefs, whatever they are, should be respected. > Beyond that I don't want to raise up any embers here by making these > comments. > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 17:17:33 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: The Middle East (NJC) These are wonderful points Chris. As a Jew I feel the same anger and disappointment in Sharon's position in Israel. Many of my other Jewish friends feel the same way as Nuriel...that it is sooooo wrong to murder the Palestinians. Good for him speaking up. The more discussion we have about these issues the better informed we become. That notwithstanding, this is freedom of speech at its best. How can we possibly limit speech to those 'in the know'? Who decides who those people are. I do not have to like someone's opinion. But I respect their right to say it as long as they are not calling for people to join them in killing someone or beating someone up. It is my belief that people like Susan Sarandon, James Taylor, and Joni...would not make an appearance in Israel given its position to kill Palestinians. Of course this is simply my feeling. Peace..........Sharon Chris Marshall wrote: > > Marcel wrote:- > > When I see some of the statements made already and the immediate > > resorting to words like "racist" that is a sign that few on the list are > > prepared to actually discuss the issue. > > What on earth are you thinking? Personally, I found it very interesting > to hear an "ordinary" voice from Israel. Hell, I didn't care for the > "racist cult" reference to Dylan, but I don't know anything about > Dylan and potential cult membership. If I knew more about that, I'd > give more of a damn about the comment. As it is, I won't pass comment > on something that I clearly don't know about. > > Personally, I thought it was very insightful to hear an Israeli pass > disfavourable comment on his own people - that must have been hard. It > gives some balance to the stuff we hear on the radio and on the TV from > Israeli politicians. Have you ever heard an Israeli politician > interviewed who wasn't short tempered, impolite, and clearly fuming > the whole way through the interview? I haven't. So I for one welcome > an alternative view, and do not welcome an attempt to stifle it. > > > It takes knowledge to discuss this not balderdash and bullshit. > > Be careful here: the overall tone of your post, plus your clearly > held views of American politics, make it sound like you feel you > have the necessary knowledge... and that those who have already > written on the subject do not. I think Nuriel is perfectly well > qualified to comment, yet your knee-jerk objection to his use > of the word "racist" makes it seem that you do not. > > > The one characteristic of all of them > > has been for one side to totally ignore facts and history preferring to > > insert nonsense, mythology, and fabricated emotional interpretations of same > > for actual well researched discussion. > > Let me guess... you were on the *other* side of those discussions, > right? > > --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:18:53 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer As someone who comes from a > multi-denominational family background, I have always felt that an > individual's religious beliefs, whatever they are, should be respected. > Beyond that I don't want to raise up any embers here by making these > comments. > > Kakki Amen to that. Very well put, Kakki. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:42:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The Middle East oh baby, don't go there. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 18:54:37 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The Middle East In a message dated 11/08/01 20:09:25 GMT Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << As such I suggest that this entire Middle east discussion be terminated forthwith. It can only lead to a senseless flame war. It takes knowledge to discuss this not balderdash and bullshit. When I see some of the statements made already and the immediate resorting to words like "racist" that is a sign that few on the list are prepared to actually discuss the issue. So lets forget the whole idea. Please. >> Sigh. Rubbish. You obviously think you know know better and that you deal only in facts. Wrong on both counts, and not just on this topic. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:21:23 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > I believe Jesus stood for diversity. and peace and compassion and love. I have never been able to accpet him as God. If he was God then the whole story falls on it's arse. How could we ever hope to follow in the footsteps of God? Apart form that, if he were God, he had total power. the idea of the story, as far as I see it, is that he was a man who realised not just that he was divine but that we all were, and that death was not the ned, and that if we sought the divine spark in each of us we could overcome anything. He set us an example of what Man could do once he recognized his power source. If he was God, then it was a load of nonsense. > Those proclaiming to know the true > meaning of the old testament fail to consider scholarly exegesis. They also fail to accept that it is but their own interpretation and not TRUTH. Thos who say the the Bible is the Absolute Truth and have total faith in their OWN judgement and not God or the Bible, just in themselves. A sin, as jesus would say! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:13:16 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer NJC Sorry about the last email don't know why it sent.(Kakki) I am raising my son the same way -His father is Muslim and I Catholic. I couldnt agree with you more! Kammy in Alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 15:55:47 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #342 Re: Fareed Haque's Deja Vu, Fred wrote: > Fareed's a buddy and musical colleague of mine. Try writing to him at > fareed@fareed.com to see if copies exist. He may answer ... or may not. WOW! Fred, you sure know some of the greats. Bob passed the CD on to me and it is outstanding. Thanks again to Bob and to James for exposing us to his music. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:01:45 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer Kakki wrote: > > << Some believe Jesus was a great > prophet and holy man who was very close to God. As someone who comes from a > multi-denominational family background, I have always felt that an > individual's religious beliefs, whatever they are, should be respected. > Beyond that I don't want to raise up any embers here by making these > comments.>> I like what you have to say here Kakki and I would respectfully like to add that some people think that Jesus was a nice Jewish boy with a lot of radical ideas. I am serious...this is not meant to be disrespectful whatsoever. Thinking about seeing Valdy and David Bradstreet and Brent Titcombe at the Festival of Friends (big Folk Fest thing here in town) tomorrow, part of which I caught tonight...saw Tom Wilson, Fred Eaglesmith, some funkay drummer dudes , tried out a Didjerdoo...sp???? ...yea really!!!! and I made sound..not just noise..omg... Went with my daughter which was really special since we've been struggling with some things of late and actually had a good time together....and on the way home, we sang along to the CSNY tape that Brei made for me...which was tonnes of funn.....that girl and I always did a fine harmony together..and it was heart warming to say the very least to connect with her like that again Mags. > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:09:50 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer Mags...yep...Jesus was one of our boys. He was a faithful Jewish boy...even though the Presbyterians may claim him...he does not care...he has enough love to go around. Again, I believe Jesus is all about diversity...because you can only strive for and appreciate diversity when you have a heavy load of love crowding your heart. Peace......Sharon Mags wrote: > > Kakki wrote: > > > > > << Some believe Jesus was a great > > prophet and holy man who was very close to God. As someone who comes from a > > multi-denominational family background, I have always felt that an > > individual's religious beliefs, whatever they are, should be respected. > > Beyond that I don't want to raise up any embers here by making these > > comments.>> > > I like what you have to say here Kakki and I would respectfully like to add that > some people think that Jesus was a nice Jewish boy with a lot of radical ideas. > I am serious...this is not meant to be disrespectful whatsoever. > > Thinking about seeing Valdy and David Bradstreet and Brent Titcombe at the > Festival of Friends (big Folk Fest thing here in town) tomorrow, part of which I > caught tonight...saw Tom Wilson, Fred Eaglesmith, some funkay drummer dudes , > tried out a Didjerdoo...sp???? ...yea really!!!! and I made sound..not just > noise..omg... Went with my daughter which was really special since we've been > struggling with some things of late and actually had a good time together....and > on the way home, we sang along to the CSNY tape that Brei made for me...which > was tonnes of funn.....that girl and I always did a fine harmony together..and > it was heart warming to say the very least to connect with her like that again > > Mags. > > > > > > > > > -- > And this loving is a drawing close, > a tuning in, an opening. > Until one perfect moment; > but how can it be expressed? > A receiving, an enfolding > as I cradle you in my arms. > Within my heart, within my soul, > You are my true love. > > --Lui Collins > > --- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:27:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer - --- "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > Mags...yep...Jesus was one of our boys. He was a > faithful Jewish > boy...even though the Presbyterians may claim > him...he does not > care...he has enough love to go around. Jesus certainly didn't call *himself* a Christian, did he? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 21:53:45 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer The only thing Jesus said he was not was a money changer. LOL Catherine McKay wrote: > > --- "Sharon L. Buffington" > wrote: > > Mags...yep...Jesus was one of our boys. He was a > > faithful Jewish > > boy...even though the Presbyterians may claim > > him...he does not > > care...he has enough love to go around. > > Jesus certainly didn't call *himself* a Christian, did he? > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 19:09:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: my's opinion of the heart healer Hi Mags, > I like what you have to say here Kakki and I would respectfully like to add that > some people think that Jesus was a nice Jewish boy with a lot of radical ideas. > I am serious...this is not meant to be disrespectful whatsoever. I have many Jewish friends and family who think the same. Absolutely no offense taken! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:59:44 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) I am always thinking and wondering about the point and meaning of life on this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. Does anyone have any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:23:47 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I am always thinking and wondering about the point and meaning of life on > this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. Does anyone have any ideas? and now me: this list and all that it represents... *this* is the meaning of life. It doesnt get much better than this..... close your eyes and imagine for a moment. This wonderful woman who resides in one of the most beautiful, most special places in the entire US of A decides to open her heart, her soul and her home to about ohhhh 80 or so people...so that we can rush up to her door, stand face to face to the bearer of words of kindness, hope, compassion, caring, love, silliness, giddyness...well you get the picture....god just imagine this truth....being surrounded by people who love you unconditionally. Finding a place where you can take a chance and open your heart for the first in a very long time.... where you can exercise your voice for the first time and the bonus is that you know somewhere deep inside that no one will laugh at you...rather, you will be embraced by the most stellar, sweet and kind not to mention understanding brothers and sisters you could ever hope for. (not to mention finding the love of your life). Mags, feeling ever so grateful for *being here* np: I've Got You To See Me Through... by none other than Eleanor McEvoy. mags. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:35:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) - --- Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I am always thinking and wondering about the > point and meaning of life on > this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. > Does anyone have any ideas? I'm not sure whether you're serious or joking, so I'll give you two answers, one serious, one joking - the joking one first... There is no meaning. We are all part of a vast science experiment being done by some nerdy alien kid for a school science fair. We're kind of like an ant farm on a huge scale. The really scary part is that as of yet, none of us has any idea what kind of student this kid is - he could be flunking science for all we know, or he may have a tantrum and just wreck the whole thing for no good reason. Now, the serious one (this is the flavour of the moment, subject to change at any time.) There is no meaning of life. (You're right - it does start out exactly the same way). That is, no meaning that works for everyone. There is no magic pill and no summary in ten words or less that anyone can give to anyone else. It's up to each of us to find his/her own meaning out of what occurs in life and to take whatever lessons from that, that we can. So, when it happens (as it so often does) that bad things happen to good people, and you are (for example) the good person to whom bad things are happening, then, you have to move past "why me?" into taking some kind of lesson or meaning from it, and draw strength from that, rather than seeing it as some kind of punishment. For example, if the bad thing is a diagnosis of cancer, for some people, finding as much as they can out about cancer, or the particular form of it they've been diagnosed with, and what they can do to fight it, is the way to go (I think that's what I'd do anyway - it's kind of a "know thy enemy" thing). Then, doing something good for yourself or for other people (kind of like what Wally B did with the jonimitchell.com site). that kind of thing adds meaning and purpose to life. Oh, and here's another stupid joke I remember from when I was a kid and I thought it was pretty funny at the time... Young man goes to visit dying grandfather on his sickbed. The young man asks the old guy, "Grampa, what is the meaning of life?" The grandfather sighs and says, "The meaning of life? Why, the meaning of life is... is..." and he dies. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:32:47 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) Mags knows about life. :) Mags wrote: > > Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > > I am always thinking and wondering about the point and meaning of life on > > this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. Does anyone have any ideas? > > and now me: > this list and all that it represents... *this* is the meaning of life. It doesnt > get much better than this..... close your eyes and imagine for a moment. This > wonderful woman who resides in one of the most beautiful, most special places in > the entire US of A decides to open her heart, her soul and her home to about ohhhh > 80 or so people...so that we can rush up to her door, stand face to face to the > bearer of words of kindness, hope, compassion, caring, love, silliness, > giddyness...well you get the picture....god just imagine this truth....being > surrounded by people who love you unconditionally. Finding a place where you can > take a chance and open your heart for the first in a very long time.... where you > can exercise your voice for the first time and the bonus is that you know > somewhere deep inside that no one will laugh at you...rather, you will be > embraced by the most stellar, sweet and kind not to mention understanding brothers > and sisters you could ever hope for. (not to mention finding the love of your > life). > > Mags, feeling ever so grateful for *being here* > > np: I've Got You To See Me Through... by none other than Eleanor McEvoy. > > mags. > > -- > And this loving is a drawing close, > a tuning in, an opening. > Until one perfect moment; > but how can it be expressed? > A receiving, an enfolding > as I cradle you in my arms. > Within my heart, within my soul, > You are my true love. > > --Lui Collins > > --- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:39:23 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) In a message dated 8/11/01 11:35:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << I'm not sure whether you're serious or joking >> Defiantly serious. Thank you for your reply. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 23:45:30 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) ah but alas, Ive looked at life from both sides now :)))) tks my Brei. "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > Mags knows about life. :) > > Mags wrote: > > > > Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > > > > I am always thinking and wondering about the point and meaning of life on > > > this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. Does anyone have any ideas? > > > > and now me: > > this list and all that it represents... *this* is the meaning of life. It doesnt > > get much better than this..... close your eyes and imagine for a moment. This > > wonderful woman who resides in one of the most beautiful, most special places in > > the entire US of A decides to open her heart, her soul and her home to about ohhhh > > 80 or so people...so that we can rush up to her door, stand face to face to the > > bearer of words of kindness, hope, compassion, caring, love, silliness, > > giddyness...well you get the picture....god just imagine this truth....being > > surrounded by people who love you unconditionally. Finding a place where you can > > take a chance and open your heart for the first in a very long time.... where you > > can exercise your voice for the first time and the bonus is that you know > > somewhere deep inside that no one will laugh at you...rather, you will be > > embraced by the most stellar, sweet and kind not to mention understanding brothers > > and sisters you could ever hope for. (not to mention finding the love of your > > life). > > > > Mags, feeling ever so grateful for *being here* > > > > np: I've Got You To See Me Through... by none other than Eleanor McEvoy. > > > > mags. > > > > -- > > And this loving is a drawing close, > > a tuning in, an opening. > > Until one perfect moment; > > but how can it be expressed? > > A receiving, an enfolding > > as I cradle you in my arms. > > Within my heart, within my soul, > > You are my true love. > > > > --Lui Collins > > > > --- > > > > _~O > > / /\_, > > ___/\ > > /_ - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 00:30:58 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) The answer is 42, the last I heard. It may have changed who knows. Who cares. Perhaps I'm old and tired but I always think that the chances of finding out what really is going on are so absurdly remote that the only thing to do is say hang the sense of it and just keep yourself occupied. - -Words of wisdom from Slartybartfast paraphrased from the Hitch Hiker's Guide To The Galaxy More from Slartybartfast- "What does it matter? Science has achieved some wonderful things, of course, but I'd rather be happy than right any day." Question- And are you? "No. That's where it all falls down of course." Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I am always thinking and wondering about the point and meaning of life on > this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. Does anyone have any ideas? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2001 22:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: William T Miyasato Subject: Lefites Of The World, Unite! Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2001 11:42:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The PC Thing NJC I was fine, until he got to the "left-handed" part - I don't know about that left-handed stuff - kinda spooky (it's a joke, OK? Many of my friends are left-handed...) LOL! Left-handers are the only ones in their right minds, doncha know? (According to a t-shirt walking past The Coop in Harvard Square back in the 70s ...) Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 02:44:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) yes, magsie magsie magsie!!!! you are truly my sistah and my friend. the meaning of life is to love and to be loved. without a family, without a home, without a thought for one, life is sentence uttered in the vacuum, a color in the dark, death. i long for the day when i won't have to say goodbye to my brothers and sisters. that is my idea of paradise found. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mags Enviado el: Domingo, 12 de Agosto de 2001 12:24 a.m. Para: Relayer211@aol.com CC: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: The Meaning of Life?(NJC) Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I am always thinking and wondering about the point and meaning of life on > this planet...It's very hard for me to understand. Does anyone have any ideas? and now me: this list and all that it represents... *this* is the meaning of life. It doesnt get much better than this..... close your eyes and imagine for a moment. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2001 02:51:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RV: going home [jonifest content] i think that the list might enjoy reading this post i sent to the jonifest e-group. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: Wally Kairuz [mailto:wallykai@fibertel.com.ar] Enviado el: Viernes, 10 de Agosto de 2001 05:26 a.m. Para: Jonifest2001@yahoogroups.com Asunto: going home dear mama ashes, dear daddy les, dear girls and boys, can you feel it in the air? can you feel the huge vibe? this year is so different. it's the biggest ever. i can see us all coming from all compass points. we're talking about cooking together, singing together, playing scrabble together. the fest has grown into a back-home experience! i have discussed this with many 2001 fest-goers, and everyone has told me the same: there's something in the air this year that wasn't there the years before, splendid and fun as the previous fests have all been. some of us are a little heartbroken, some of us are starting a new love; some of us are facing health problems, some of us have never felt better; some of us are happy, some of us are blue; some of us are all of the above. as you make your reservations, as you send your forms and checks, picture this huge community of love and beauty trying so hard to make it, converging into a celebration of friendship, understanding, generosity: everything that is good on earth. it is a kind of wacky christmas: we are all compelled to share, to learn, to give again. good will to humanity, indeed. this year's jonifest in new england will be remembered by each one of us as the fest where THAT special thing happened, whatever that special thing is for each one of us. i have so many brothers and sisters, parent figures, lovers and friends to go back to this year. i wish the same for all of you! ''and i feel like i'm just being born, like a shiny light breaking in a storm there are so many reasons why i love you!'' wallyK ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #344 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?