From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #339 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 9 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 339 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- chelsea morning ["shane mattison" ] Re: the chelsea ["shane mattison" ] Re: energy plan NJC [colin ] chapter three -- NJC -- whoops! [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: the chelsea njc ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Subject: Vacation NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Passion Play ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] [Fwd: Passion Play] ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Tom Waits & friends ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC ["patrick leader" ] joni and kiss baby ["shane mattison" ] dylan said to joni ["shane mattison" ] joni on sarah's list ["shane mattison" ] diana krall's still in a case of you ["shane mattison" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:41:48 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: chelsea morning i think you might be right, alison & rose, that joni wrote the song at her own place... the hotel makes the claim that she wrote it at the hotel, saying, <> this is in the behemia section of the website... so, i guess, les, you have another excuse to ask joni for lunch again... Hot-wire Head ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:47:42 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: the chelsea hi alison...guess you'll have to ask the hotel , when you're walking by, to substantiate their claim! wish by i could walk by it each day... bye chelsea girl... Ron Had A Car - -- Original Message ----- From: "Alison E" To: "shane mattison" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:11 PM Subject: Re: the chelsea > > --- shane mattison wrote: > > Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning, > > > JONI WRITES CHELSEA MORNING WHILE STAYING HERE... > > well, didn't joni live in chelsea? (why yes, she did!) > i think it was 16th street. so, i doubt she wrote it > at the chelsea hotel, i bet she wrote it in her > apartment or somethin'. just thinking about it. > she talks about living in an apartment in chelsea on > stage, on some cd i have, or rose has, or i'm sure bob > has. > anyone?? > alison e. (the truest chelsea girl on the list) in > Chelsea, NYC (yup, i pass the chelsea hotel on my way > home from work every day.) > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 23:49:22 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: energy plan NJC > What > hasn't is our state's population, which has risen by 10 million since > 1980, this appears to be a problem the world over. The trouble is the solution always invloves stopping the others from breeding! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 19:21:07 -0400 From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: chapter three -- NJC -- whoops! hi jmdl! sorry about the misrouting of my email previously... how embarrassing!!! well, instead of going to my dissertation advisor, i'm sorry that the gory details of my diss. progress were dumped on all of YOU! many apologies. (why did that happen? i'm so computer illiterate. this is probably going to head straight to prof. barkan -- ) anyway, i've been in major lurk mode recently, although as always i'm enjoying the list. keep it up! dissertatingly yours, emily ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 17:59:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: the chelsea njc > ...and don't forget Jorma Kokonen's (sp?) "Third Week in > the Chelsea" on Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers" Kaukonen. And the song is on 'Bark', not 'Volunteers'. Mark in Seattle Airplane fan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:04:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Subject: Vacation NJC > Mark, > > You could always move to L.A. but be warned that 4 weeks vacation here feels > like only one week. ;-D Kakki You won't get very far with me today, Kakki. It's sunny and about 78 degree F here today. Now if you want to hit me up again in January or February, you might get somewhere! I sure loved coming to LA in January! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:29:33 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Passion Play I agree the song relates to the life of Jesus. Exxon and radiation speak to me of the use of power and ultimate destruction. The use of blue and rose speak to me freedom which the powerful can use as a disguise to make the multitudes believe that everything is okay. When I think of gas...you want to see a blue flame because it means the gas is pure. And rose is sensual, romantic, and beautiful. We are all slaves to the corporate concept because we get caught up in wanting what they have to offer. I mean...the power elite are always invisible and unreachable. Who are these people? They are very effective at getting the multitudes to run interference for them creating even more of a hierarchy and a schism between the haves and have nots. They let those groups right among themselves. The Savior abounds but to what resolve? People are apathetic...and look for jewels in small places grateful for the slivers of life they garner. That is my 5 cents worth... :) Peace.......Sharon SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > <> > > Since I'm running out of time, I'll give you the 'nickel' answer instead of the $5 one... > > All of the song relates to the life of Jesus Christ and his humanity & compassion to those who were oppressed...the confusion settles in around her use of "Exxon Blue & radiation Rose"...given that, I think Joni is trying to say that true compassion or spirit can grant freedom to those 'slaves' who are oppressed. > > More later, maybe...it's one of my favorite songs to discuss. > > Bob > > NP: Sugarloaf, "Spaceship Earth" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:37:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Yes in Atlanta(njc) THAT sir is WAY cool. Can't wait to see you and Holley Victor and my gorgeous date for the evning, Mr. Bob Muller. Eat you hearts out all you Bob Muller queens!!! LMAO. I am bringing the VG-8 so we can actually rehearse a couple of tunes this year. Paz on 8/8/01 5:48 AM, Victor Johnson at waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > I read in the Atlanta Consitution this morning that the Chastain performance > with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra is going to be digitally recorded for a > future DVD release. > > Victor > > > Victor Johnson > http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson > > "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, > Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." > Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:42:09 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: [Fwd: Passion Play] X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3B71F7C6.CF5C2CA8@mn.mediaone.net> Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:39:02 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Organization: Buffington Law Office X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Passion Play References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh...I meant to add...what will corporate America do when the multitudes see them...find them...and want things to be 'fair'? I think of the story Peter Pan by James Michael Barrie. Pan in Greek means all or whole. Pan loses his shadow and is frantic...because we can not live without our dark side...it gives us balance. Tinker Bell finds it in a drawer and gives it to him. Pan sits on Wendy's bed and tries to attach his shadow but he fails and he is crying. Wendy awakens and ask "Boy, why are you crying" (just as Jesus said to Mary Magdalene "Woman, why are you crying") and he tells her of his plight and she sews it on for him. Pan lives on the Island of Lost Boys and he is a leader. He gets into a fight with Hook! and while they are fighting, Pan notices that he is on a rock above Hook thus giving him an advantage over Hook. Being the kind boy he is, he offers Hook a hand up to they are on the same playing field, but Hook bites him. Pan is struck by Hook's unfairness...and knows one never forgets that first lesson..... Gee...I do not know how I got off into all that...except that Pan, like the Christ figure is all or whole and was wounded for generosity. I better get off this tack. :) Peace........Sharon SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > <> > > Since I'm running out of time, I'll give you the 'nickel' answer instead of the $5 one... > > All of the song relates to the life of Jesus Christ and his humanity & compassion to those who were oppressed...the confusion settles in around her use of "Exxon Blue & radiation Rose"...given that, I think Joni is trying to say that true compassion or spirit can grant freedom to those 'slaves' who are oppressed. > > More later, maybe...it's one of my favorite songs to discuss. > > Bob > > NP: Sugarloaf, "Spaceship Earth" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 21:45:39 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: the chelsea njc Mark You are VEY good. This is one of several Airplane/Starship things you have caught. I have some Jorma/Jack shows I recorded myself here in N.O. if you are interested. Paz on 8/8/01 5:59 PM, Mark or Travis at mark.travis@gte.net wrote: >> ...and don't forget Jorma Kokonen's (sp?) "Third Week in >> the Chelsea" on Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers" > > Kaukonen. And the song is on 'Bark', not 'Volunteers'. > > Mark in Seattle > Airplane fan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 19:36:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Tom Waits & friends Speaking of Tom Waits...a couple of months ago, a friend in the know told me about a photo shoot that will involved Vanity Fair & Joni, Tom Waits & Leonard Cohen photos by the wonderful Annie Libowitz... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:11:37 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC tom waits is an artist whose work could really benefit from being covered more. especially by "acting" singers, like bette. on her 1982 "de tour" which was made into the 1984 HBO "art or bust" she sang "broken bicycles" and it was gorgeous. and i just recently saw 'one from the heart' for the first time (sucked) and what an amazing soundtrack, by waits and crystal gayle (remember her?) bob mentioned 'the black ryder'. it was a musical conceived and directed by robert wilson, written by allan ginsberg with songs by waits, and it was performed by a an adventurous and very talented german theatrical troup called the thalia. it was amazing, and the songs were completely effective, even sung in german accents by people with fine legit theater voices. an exciting new way to hear waits. same team almost exactly (minus ginsberg) did a show called "alice" based on lewis carroll a couple of years later, also just wonderfully weird. i can still almost hear waits' caterpillar song, with the caterpillar sitting on a mushroom and its 20 foot tail (made out of a parachute) floating all over the stage. theater magic. patrick np - lou harrison - piano concerto - keith jarrett, soloist >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Jerry >Notaro >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 9:12 AM >To: Wally Kairuz >Cc: slarty; joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC > > >Wally Kairuz wrote: > >> ken, >> i had the same experience. i heard the manhattan transfer and ran to the >> street to buy the whole tom waits catalogue! thanks god for listening >> stations!!! [no offense intended, TW fans....] >> wallyK > >And the wonderful version of Shiver Me Timbers that Bette Midler does. > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 21:17:54 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: energy plan NJC Randy wrote: This is partly correct. When they were planning how many generating plants to built several years ago, they did not factor in the present and future illegal (undocumented) immigrant consumers into their forecasts. That's why they are scrambling now to try to get some more plants on line (and facing lots of resistance for a variety of reasons). But this current energy "crisis" really has more to do with some bad business and regulatory decisions made when they were setting up the deregulation. In exchange for the windfall the utility companies would get from selling off their plants, they had to agree to have a cap on the prices they would charge. But, unbelievably, on the other side of the deal, the new generator plant owners were not likewise capped on what they could charge the utility companies! There were also rulings and decisions made by the Cal. Public Utility Commission (who oversees all of them moreso than any other legislative body) which resulted in giving some advantages to the generators on what they could charge (some open-ended price formulas). The prices they could charge the utilities escalated and the utilities claimed they could not meet the payment schedules. The utilities don't pay for a few months and now the generators are having a problem meeting their own production costs and have to cut back on the power they can provide -(hence - "rolling blackouts"). It's really a miasma of events that have caused this but it has mostly to do with some miscalcuations all around. Things are apparently being worked out now, but let's hope the costs incurred to straighten it out are not going to come back to haunt us. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:07:01 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni and kiss baby canada's national post has a sense of humour: <> FDRfan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:19:50 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: dylan said to joni david hajdu in his new book, Positively 4th Street: The Lives and Times of Joan Baez, Bob Dylan, Mimi Baez Farina and Richard Farina (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2001) relates: <<... Joni Mitchell told me she complimented him <> on Jokerman from Infidels." 'Oh, I didn't write that, the box did,' he said. 'What do you mean?' she asked. He explained he writes down phrases people say to him, or things he overhears in restaurants, then puts them in a box. Whenever he needs a song, he just reaches into the box and pulls something out.">> in duluth, you get your munchies fix at "Bob-in-the-Box"... Strange Boy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 23:27:04 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni on sarah's list from shinan govani, <<- The 10 albums that are on Sarah McLachlan's Desert Island List, according to a silly new book out called Star Tunes: Celebrities Reveal the Top 10 Albums that They Can't Live Without, are: Annie Lennox, Diva; Siniad O'Connor, Universal Mother; Peter Gabriel, So; Fleetwood Mac, Rumours; Willie Nelson, Stardust; Brian Eno, Thursday Afternoon; Joni Mitchell, Blue; Tom Waits, Closing Time; Peter Gabriel, Passion; Talk Talk, Spirit of Eden. What, no Meat Loaf?>> i better get a sarah album 'cause we sure got similar tastes... Miss Meat Loaf ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:34:35 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: diana krall's still in a case of you apparently, diana krall is still knockin' em dead with her cover of joni's "A Case of You"... this time (July 27) at the Hollywood Bowl, the LATimes proclaimed: <> what a combo...and 2 canucks 2 boot... I'm Canadian Beer (i go on strike twice a year) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 9 Aug 2001 00:53:13 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni mitchell & ron sexsmith robert hilburn's latest joni material: he discusses 'for the roses' having a today counterpart in ron sexsmith's "This Song", "I came unarmed, they've all got knives How can this song survive?" and how the song 'tops the list of the most noteworthy singles or album tracks in the first half of 2001." and yet ron has to be "fighting the wall of resistance at radio..." to read this article: http://www.calendarlive.com/top/1,1419,L-LATimes-Search-X!ArticleDetail-37128 ,00.html sorry folks at all the entries lately i'll calm down when Froggie Goes A Courtin' ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #339 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?