From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #338 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 338 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC [slarty ] RE: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC [slarty ] Re: PACs NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: How do you stop. [colin ] tom waits ljc ["shane mattison" ] Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] Re: Joni's rhymes ["hell" ] Re: Europe vs. US NJC ["hell" ] joni photos by altman ["shane mattison" ] Re: Subject: Europe vs US On second thought NJC Loooonnngg ["hell" ] Re: We need your help! ["S.M. Roque" ] Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Madonna's phone book (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Hotel Room ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) ["Sharon L. Buffington" ] Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject [w evans ] re:Tom Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC ["c Karma" ] "Joni, where did you get THOSE CHORDS???!!! ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: energy plan NJC [Randy Remote ] the chelsea ["shane mattison" ] the url of chelsea ["shane mattison" ] Re: the chelsea njc [Randy Remote ] Re: the chelsea NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: (md) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject (fwd) [w evans ] Re: the chelsea NJC [Don Rowe ] Passion Play [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: the chelsea [Alison E ] Re: the chelsea [RoseMJoy@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:05:15 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC I could possibly get that impression listening to Tom sing it but if I hear it from a different source such as Manhattan Transfer, where I first heard the song, I don't find that at all. When I did first hear FA from MH on the radio I went out of my way to find out who wrote it. I was quite surprised to find that TW did. That's why I was looking to see if I could find any other TW songs similar. So far I haven't found any; Though I haven't had time to check out his whole book. Ken Wally Kairuz wrote: > totally from a songwriter's point of you: FA sounds like a poem that was > later set to music. i think that most of the SAT words here are used rather > [and maybe intentionally] awkwardly and verbosely, as if the character in > the song had heard them from the ''cultured'' and were trying to sound > ''elegant'', like a bum trying to pass for a gentleman, if you know what i > mean. maybe TW did write FA -- as a character study of sorts. > wallyK, np: ''infected'' by the the [this a day completely devoted to the > 80's] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:22:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC ken, i had the same experience. i heard the manhattan transfer and ran to the street to buy the whole tom waits catalogue! thanks god for listening stations!!! [no offense intended, TW fans....] wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de slarty Enviado el: Miircoles, 08 de Agosto de 2001 04:05 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC I could possibly get that impression listening to Tom sing it but if I hear it from a different source such as Manhattan Transfer, where I first heard the song, I don't find that at all. When I did first hear FA from MH on the radio I went out of my way to find out who wrote it. I was quite surprised to find that TW did. That's why I was looking to see if I could find any other TW songs similar. So far I haven't found any; Though I haven't had time to check out his whole book. Ken Wally Kairuz wrote: > totally from a songwriter's point of you: FA sounds like a poem that was > later set to music. i think that most of the SAT words here are used rather > [and maybe intentionally] awkwardly and verbosely, as if the character in > the song had heard them from the ''cultured'' and were trying to sound > ''elegant'', like a bum trying to pass for a gentleman, if you know what i > mean. maybe TW did write FA -- as a character study of sorts. > wallyK, np: ''infected'' by the the [this a day completely devoted to the > 80's] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 23:53:19 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Subject: Vacation NJC Mark, You could always move to L.A. but be warned that 4 weeks vacation here feels like only one week. ;-D Kakki > Gee, I'd like to work for one of those, Kakki! > > I got 3 weeks after 5 years. 4 weeks doesn't come until 15 years of > service and at 20 years you max out at 5 weeks. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 03:39:25 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC Ha ha. At least I'm not the only one. It seems to me that if Tom can write that good he seems to be wasting his talent, to some extent, keeping to the low life bum style that he usually writes in. Like Wally I'm not trying to turn TW fans into "incendiary souls" I'm just stating my opinion. Wally Kairuz wrote: > ken, > i had the same experience. i heard the manhattan transfer and ran to the > street to buy the whole tom waits catalogue! thanks god for listening > stations!!! [no offense intended, TW fans....] > wallyK > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de slarty > Enviado el: Miircoles, 08 de Agosto de 2001 04:05 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC > > I could possibly get that impression listening to Tom sing it but if I hear > it > from a different source such as Manhattan Transfer, where I first heard the > song, > I don't find that at all. When I did first hear FA from MH on the radio I > went > out > of my way to find out who wrote it. I was quite surprised to find that TW > did. > That's why I was looking to see if I could find any other TW songs similar. > So far I haven't found any; Though I haven't had time to check out his whole > book. > Ken > > Wally Kairuz wrote: > > > totally from a songwriter's point of you: FA sounds like a poem that was > > later set to music. i think that most of the SAT words here are used > rather > > [and maybe intentionally] awkwardly and verbosely, as if the character in > > the song had heard them from the ''cultured'' and were trying to sound > > ''elegant'', like a bum trying to pass for a gentleman, if you know what i > > mean. maybe TW did write FA -- as a character study of sorts. > > wallyK, np: ''infected'' by the the [this a day completely devoted to the > > 80's] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 00:24:45 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: PACs NJC Brenda wrote: >What surprises me is that although there is a piece on the Patient Bill of Rights (see below) there is no mention of the >Association of Trial Lawyers of America (the #2 PAC in terms of giving - 86% of which goes to Dems) and how their giving >relates to the battle over limiting liability damages. Oh geez - they are all over the place! I never knew about PACs until I went to work for a government contractor in the early 80s. All the employees started getting official notices telling them to contribute to the company PACs. I thought it was so strange and just a bit unseemly, seeing as how they were roping in the employees to cough up the money and the fact that they were a taxpayer-funded defense company. The monies were split equally between the Democratic and Republican parties. If an employee did not agree to contribute, they would continue, with increasing pressure, to send them additional solitications. The tone of these solicitations was almost intimidating - like a "do it or else" command from on high. Since I was a newbie I asked some of my workmates about it and their attitude was like "of course you do it or else, we've always done this, what's the problem?" Not that I'm unrealistic - if the system has come to the point where giving money to politicians is simply the cost of doing business, what can you do? But with entities who receive all their funding from the government and who are bound by so many government regulations concerning propriety and ethics, this just seemed somehow "off" to me. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:23:30 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: How do you stop. > how do you avoid or undue things without heartache, loss or > suffering? no life is without heartache and suffering. Trying to avoid them will just make it all worse. A life lived without feeling is not a life. So much is missed and so much pain is caused by trying not to feel pain. colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 02:35:46 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: tom waits ljc thanx kakki for the tom waits quotes... i will tryyyy to get crocadile dundee, my erudite parrot to remember them... waits is one guy who comes close to joni's poetic receptivity...over the top, mind you... 'preciate it... Lead Foot Melvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:51:20 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC I suppose everyone who likes Tom will have their special favourites but, being a sentimental old tart, I cannot help but choke up over 'Kentucky Avenue' from Blue Valentine. Like many of Tom's lyrics they are surreal in some respects (..take the spokes from your wheel chair and a magpie's wings and tie 'em to your shoulders and your feet...) but oh so cinematic and poignant. On balance though, I think his Frank's Wild Years trilogy is his best work. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:02:06 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Joni's rhymes Bob wrote: > It's all those things; it's the way she can take a lyric like the one I > quoted from "Song For Sharon", and in the midst of describing her own > experiences, throw in a line or 2 that makes it universal And Kerry replied: > I always felt this way about Joni's use of "incendiary" in Come In From The > Cold. How many times do you hear THAT word in a song? For me it's the lines: "Send me some pictures then And I'll paint pyrotechnic Explosions of your autumn till we meet again" I get such wonderful images in my head with these lines. Pure genius. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:12:26 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Europe vs. US NJC Stephen wrote: > Well, in Canada, standard is only 2 weeks paid vacation. After three > years, and additional week is given. It sucks! Europe is so much more > civilized in the manner they treat employees. Our standard is (I think!) 3 weeks, or 15 days. My company give us 18 days, but it's compulsory to use three of those between Xmas and New Year, when the offices are closed, so it's still effectively 15. But since I've been there over 5 years (horrors!) I now get 4 weeks, or 23 days. We also get 10 days of special leave, which includes sick leave, bereavement leave, etc. Any more than 3 in a row requires a doctor's certificate except under special circumstances. There is unpaid parental leave, but I'm not sure what the allowable time period is. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 04:28:02 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni photos by altman i just enjoyed some big joni photos by robert altman (not the film director): first, with judy collins and joan baez: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/joni_judy_joan.html joni at big sur: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/joni.mitchell.2..html my fav, joni at berkeley: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Joni.Mitchell.html with nash: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/joni_mitchell_graham_nash.html big photo joni jammin with csn: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/big.sur.joni.friends.jpg robert altman's other rocker photos: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/ enjoyo, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 22:44:18 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Subject: Europe vs US On second thought NJC Loooonnngg Catherine wrote: > Whoever first mentioned that maybe the idea that some > Americans (and Canadians) have that things are > *better* in Eueope may be related to a longing for the > old country probably has a point (even though some of > us, like me for example, are at least > fourth-generation here in Canada). Maybe it's one of > those grass-is-greener things; or maybe it's the fact > that things are different elsewhere and some of us > crave a bit of a change every now and then. those who > don't, will think it's better *here*. I think in terms of Commonwealth countries maybe the ties are stronger, because we still have the royal visits etc., ie. we're still "tied" to good old Mother England. If anyone has ever read any of Nevil Shute's books (On The Beach and A Town Like Alice are brilliant) you'll understand better. He wrote many of his books just after WWII, after he'd emigrated to Australia, and many of his characters talk about a (almost) pilgrimage back to the "old country". He made it seem like every child of repatriated parents "had" to make the trip at some point. I think many repatriated people from the UK still felt a strong tie to their home-land, and maybe that's been handed on to some extent. In terms of New Zealanders, many people in their 20's head off on the big OE (overseas experience). I remember getting looks of disbelief when I informed people that I didn't want to go work in England for 2 years like all my friends. But a big part of that is also because we're so far away from everyone else (Australia excepted). It's such a big deal to travel to Europe, you might as well stay there a while - it's not like living in England, where a trip to Paris can be done as a day-trip. It takes a whole day just to fly there from here! Personally I don't have any ties to Europe in any sense. My grandfather (paternal) was English, but died before I was born, and my grandmother died when I was 18 months old. We didn't really see anyone else from that side of the family so I don't have much history there. On my mother's side (for both her parents), I can trace the family back to when my grandfather's grandfather arrived in Bluff frokm Scotland in 1863 (I've even discovered the name of the ship). My grandmother's grandfather (also from Scotland) carried provisions for the English troops in the Maori Wars in the 1880's, when NZ was first being colonised (hijacked?) by the "white man". As far as I'm concerned I'm a New Zealander, and that's it. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:39:16 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Wild is the Wind (now njc, was Patricia Barber on Joni) AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > > Ah, those were the days, when some very strange contortions were undertaken > to prevent non-caucasian faces getting prominence. Anyone remember that > record Mr DJ by The Concept? The DJ performing the monologue was black, the > face on the sleeve of the single was... white! I do indeed remember it, I have the track on Streetsounds Volume 15 - ah, those were the days! Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:14:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: How do you stop. NJC <> Tell you what, John...you come to Topsfield and play it, and I'll dance! ;~) I MAY need a bonus Colt 45 for additional inspiration! Bob NP: Tom Waits, unidentified as yet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:29:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC: Re: why join 'em? politics, money & the media -long (NJC) <> What do you mean "we", keemosabe? ;~) Except for my weekly dose of "The Simpsons", which I consider to be the best written comedy ever, I stay away from TV. I know there are others here who do the same. There's nothing I can do about our society or our culture, but there's plenty I can do in my own life, and I do it. Ultimately, that's all we *can* do. <> Don't know, but I've got a nice collection of B-sides if you need something to tie you over! ;~) Bob, ignorant and blissful ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 08:45:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC Your points are very well made, Ken, and I appreciate you going into all the detail as well as transcribing the brilliant title track from FA... Tom created this "Bowery Bum" as poet laureate character, dispensing deep wisdom through songs and stories. BUT, Tom himself has certainly risen above that character, writing German leitmotif opera as well as "Frank's Wild Years" for Steppenwolf Theatre in Chicago and "The Black Ryder". In concert he will frequently deliver a monologue peppered with the "SAT" words he uses in 'Foreign Affairs'. I think his choice of text for the song was inspired by his love for the songs of Cole Porter. That's who it most reminds me of... After all, if Joni can write something as "deeply simple" as Both Sides Now and something as "simply deep" as Hejira, why can't Tom also work in the same vein? Bob NP: Dan Hicks & Tom Waits, "I'll Tell You Why That Is" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:46:39 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Re: why join 'em? politics, money & the media -long (NJC) Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson > > Except for my weekly dose of "The Simpsons", which I consider to be the best written comedy ever, I stay away from TV. I know there are others here who do the same. Amen! I find "The Simpsons" to be brilliant and amazingly subtle. Just the other day we were thinking about "The Itchy and Scratchy Show" and how odd it is that cartoon characters are sitting there watching other cartoon characters get killed over and over. There's something really weird about that that could only have come from the mind of Matt Groenig. It reminds me of Tolkien and the ents, these strange walking and speaking tree creatures who mystify Merry and Pippin and to them seem to be creatures of the imagination though as hobbits, they are part of the imagination themselves. "The Simpsons" has this kind of depth to it, and is part of what makes it the best written comedy ever in my mind. Victor, looking forward to seeing "The Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring", "Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone", and "The Time Machine", and possibly someday "The Simpsons" Movie(I heard recently that a movie has been discussed but there are problems in figuring out how to disperse the earnings, that would undoubtedly ensue, among all the people involved) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 08:48:59 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Yes in Atlanta(njc) I read in the Atlanta Consitution this morning that the Chastain performance with the Atlanta Symphony Orchestra is going to be digitally recorded for a future DVD release. Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:08:13 -0400 From: "S.M. Roque" Subject: Re: We need your help! I agree with you that a Joni forum would be a fab complement to this list, which is why I already created a forum at Delphi.com called "Joni Mitchell Fan Forum" at http://forums.delphi.com/JoniMitchell/start Since I am relatively new to this list at jmdl.com, I am a bit shy about posting a message here that may have already been discussed to death. At the forum, I can search for topics to see if someone has already mentioned something about former loves, or collaborators, or anything else. Delphi is not limited to music fans, but I have found a lot of people with similar musical interests there. I have even added a scroll down list of other music forums which you may find interesting. If you would still like my input at atforumz.com, let me know. Good Luck, Sylvia >From: Lazyasz@aol.com >Over at atforumz.com there is a grassroots effort to establish a Joni >forum. >This site already has forumz dedicated to artists like Kate Bush, Fiona >Apple, Radiohead, and Tool. Just type in www.atforumz.com and scroll down >a little to click on the Suggestions forum. Then click on the topic "A >Joni Mitchell Forum". We need as many postive votes (i.e. 'yes I would >post there frequently/yes I would visit occasionally) as possible. Tell >your friends and neighbors, atforumz.com has a highly intelligent, >literate, and patient community of music lovers who should be exposed to >Joni. Thank you for your time. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:12:00 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC Wally Kairuz wrote: > ken, > i had the same experience. i heard the manhattan transfer and ran to the > street to buy the whole tom waits catalogue! thanks god for listening > stations!!! [no offense intended, TW fans....] > wallyK And the wonderful version of Shiver Me Timbers that Bette Midler does. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 09:44:44 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: NJC: Re: why join 'em? politics, money & the media -long (NJC) Brenda wrote: > <> and then my bro Bobs wrote: > > > <> > > < do.>> My name is Mags and I am anti television. There. I said it. Oh I do own a tv (it was given to me and I did try to resist but there it is) It sits in my LR and is never turned on except for using it to watch videos. On a rare occasion I will try to pick something up in the midst of a wintry night ... however, I dont have cable (for one thing too expensive and quite frankly, I dont want it and I feel very strongly about that) . I see television as this big intruder .Television becomes too important, too much the centre of attention, too much the focus of life and it gets in the way of the ability to really talk, listen or just be. I cant handle all that noise and loud crass information anyway. Why I do not have my tv on? .... what's the point? My humble opinion comes to you informed by the atmosphere that I grew up in. Television ruled and I didnt like it then and still dont like it. > As far as Beth Orton is concerned...Ive heard bits of her work...can anyone advise as to what to buy as a first of hers? Mags np: Lovers in a Dangerous Time sung by the Bare Naked Ladies Bruce Cockburn tune. - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:18:31 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC That's really interesting I had no idea he had such depth. Though to be honest even though I find his stuff poetic and artistic if he can write stuff like FA - PLEASE WRITE MORE OF IT TOM. It sort of like Red Skelton - IF he only played Freddy The Feeloader all the time when he could do so much more besides. A better analogy might be if Joni only wrote songs like The Circle Game then out of nowhere on one album amongst all her Circle Game songs comes Song For Sharron. Ken SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Your points are very well made, Ken, and I appreciate you going into all the detail as well as transcribing the brilliant title track from FA... > > Tom created this "Bowery Bum" as poet laureate character, dispensing deep wisdom through songs and stories. BUT, Tom himself has certainly risen above that character, writing German leitmotif opera as well as "Frank's Wild Years" for Steppenwolf Theatre in Chicago and "The Black Ryder". In concert he will frequently deliver a monologue peppered with the "SAT" words he uses in 'Foreign Affairs'. > > I think his choice of text for the song was inspired by his love for the songs of Cole Porter. That's who it most reminds me of... > > After all, if Joni can write something as "deeply simple" as Both Sides Now and something as "simply deep" as Hejira, why can't Tom also work in the same vein? > > Bob > > NP: Dan Hicks & Tom Waits, "I'll Tell You Why That Is" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:35:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) Haven't read it, but read a review of it. Thanks for reminding me. This is one book I want to read and now must put a hold on it at the library. The review that I read compared sections of "Gone with the wind' with "wind done gone". I read "Gone with the wind" a looonnng time ago and didn't remember all the really weird racist stuff that was in it until I read this review (still didn't remember it but had to ask myself, was that reaallly in the book? Cripes!) - --- "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > Speaking of "Gone with the Wind".... has anyone > read that controversial > answer > novel - "Wind Done Gone"? > http://www.booksense.com/product/info.jsp?isbn=061810450X > > Any reviews or thoughts? > > Brenda > > Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > > There is a a very interesting show now on > AMC about Hattie Mcdaniel > > who played Mammy in "Gone with the Wind." Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:58:21 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Madonna's phone book (NJC) Want Stephen Sondheim's phone number? Or Elizabeth Taylor's? http://search.sothebys.com/browse/viewLot/lotDetail.jsp?LOT_ID=7KKJ - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:36:38 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > I read "Gone with the wind" a > looonnng time ago and didn't remember all the really > weird racist stuff that was in it until I read this > review (still didn't remember it but had to ask > myself, was that reaallly in the book? Cripes!) I discovered GWTW at age 15. I remember reading it in 4 days. I was just enthralled. Of course, the fact that I did not grow up to be Scarlett O'hara has always been a disappointment to me. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 10:46:26 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: Hotel Room Hi Fellow Listers! This is gonna be such a blast! It's no wonder we're all having dreams about it. Ashara, the idea of the map is priceless. Everyone, I have a hotel room in Danvers all to myself and am still open for a roommate if anyone is interested. This can be a cost share, or part of the scholarship program, email me privately if anyone is interested. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of shane mattison Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 5:28 AM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: joni photos by altman i just enjoyed some big joni photos by robert altman (not the film director): first, with judy collins and joan baez: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/joni_judy_joan.html joni at big sur: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/joni.mitchell.2..html my fav, joni at berkeley: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/Joni.Mitchell.html with nash: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/joni_mitchell_graham_nash.html big photo joni jammin with csn: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/big.sur.joni.friends.jpg robert altman's other rocker photos: http://www2.cea.edu/robert/ enjoyo, shane ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 10:49:42 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) Jerry Notaro wrote:Of course, the fact that I did not grow up to be Scarlett O'hara has always been a disappointment to me. I feel the same way Jerry. :) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 11:47:11 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) Fiddle Dee Dee, Jerry. Its all about the attitude. I've been Scarlett since I was about 10. And I still to this day live by the motto: "I'll think about that tomorrow..." (which has both its ups and downs...) :) Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:19:37 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Europe vs US On second thought NJC Mark wrote: >I got 3 weeks after 5 years. 4 weeks doesn't come until 15 years of >service and at 20 years you max out at 5 weeks. When PsiTech started, I'm sure the owners either a) never expected the company to be around longer than 5 years, or b) to have sold it and retired, because they established a really generous (by US standards) vacation policy. They have since changed it, but as I was hired under the old policy, that's what I get. It was: 2 weeks after one year 3 weeks after three years 4 weeks after five years 5 weeks after ten years I've been here twenty years. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:38:47 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject Come on people, don't you know how to use your editors? Oh, and I may be gay and liberal but I'm also hard working and not a socialist, and in Europe most of the countries still have 10%+ unemployment rates because of an environment that makes it difficult for businesses to create enough jobs by creating enough revenue to make such job-creation possible. France actually has this law now that says that if you are ambitious and want to get ahead by working more than 30 hours a week that you're not allowed to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:05:52 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: re:Tom Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC jody wrote: One of my favorite images from Jack and Neal is: Jack was out of cigarettesssss as we crossed the yellow line. The gas pumps looked like tombstones from here. Felt lonelier than a parking lot when the last car pulls away. And the moonlight dressed the double breasted foothills in the mirror, weaving out a negligee and a black brassiere. My particular favorite from that song is: "Neal hunched at the wheel keeping everyone in stitches, Bragging 'bout some some nurse he screwed while driving thru Nebraska, When she came she honked the horn and Neal just barely missed a truck." That is, more for its cinematic aspect, mis en scene, if you will. CC _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 09:53:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: "Joni, where did you get THOSE CHORDS???!!! I totally agree. Thanks to Marian, Sue, Howard, & others, learning a few these tunings has inspired a whole new batch of songs for me. There are many more chords I have discovered when learning one of her tunings. Just when I think I have gotten all I can discover from a new tuning...I find another new chord...& thus a new song begs to be created! How she remembers all of these & all of the fingering for so many different tunings is quite amazing!!!! John wrote "There are surprises in the chords...!!!! I'm always amazed by the transition chords in her music. Fourth and 5th chords are obviously pretty in their transitions and Joni relies on them as much as anyone. But in the bridges, when she switches keys, modalities, etc. there are some brilliantly amazing chords that thrill my heart everytime I hear them. I find tonal passages that thrill me listing to her music being very different from the one's playing her music. It's the chords on the first, second, third, eighth, tenth, thirteenth frets that really put a spell on me. -Is this true for anyone else out there? As Bob Dylan asked, "Joni, where did you get THOSE CHORDS???!!!" ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 12:58:00 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject Absolutely right....the same goes for me. :) w evans wrote: > > Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject > > Come on people, don't you know how to use your editors? > Oh, and I may be gay and liberal but I'm also hard working and not a > socialist, and in Europe most of the countries still have 10%+ > unemployment rates because of an environment that makes it difficult for > businesses to create enough jobs by creating enough revenue to make such > job-creation possible. France actually has this law now that > says that if you are ambitious and want to get ahead by working more than > 30 hours a week that you're not allowed to. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:56:21 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Unwanted Intrusion of Government I love it when judges get into the fray. :) http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/08/technology/08COUR.html?pagewanted=print ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 12:52:18 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Mimi Farina tribute (NJC) The story of yesterday's service for Mimi Farina is at: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2001/08/08/DD82692.DTL - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:23:11 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: energy plan NJC A small article in the newspaper hipped me to the real reason we have an energy crisis in California. Many people believe that the proliferation of computers and electronic devices are the problem, but in fact, per capita power usage has remained almost level. What hasn't is our state's population, which has risen by 10 million since 1980, mostly due to unfettered immigration. That's ten cities the size of San Francisco in 20 years.. Further, if unchecked, California's population will double in the next 35 to 40 years, impacting farming capacitiy, water use, congestion, pollution levels, encroachment on the environment, etc. Randy's advice: use contraceptives and learn Spanish. RR Kakki wrote: > >Also stuff re: California energy crisis & who is blaming who... > > It's ridiculous to pin it on Gray Davis but check out this other aspect of > the story regarding Davis from a major Democrat website that Open Secrets > did not include in its article. > > http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/07/31/edison/index.html > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:36:32 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: the chelsea Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning, and the first thing that i saw Was the sun through yellow curtains, and a rainbow on the wall Blue, red, green and gold to welcome you crimson crystal beads to beckon... i have hopped from the Empire Hotel in Regina to the Chelsea in New York, from 'sitting on my groceries' to 'if only you will stay...' 1750 Chelsea estate built Captain Thomas Clarke, a veteran officer of the French-Indian Wars gave the name of Chelsea to his country-seat--an estate on the shores of the Hudson, two and three miles north of the town of New York. It was on 23rd between 9th & 10th Avenues. 1884 Chelsea Hotel built Hotel (then a co-operative apartment building) built by George M. Smith and designed by architects Hubert, Pirsson & Co. It was the tallest building in New York until 1902. Mark Twain was a frequent guest. O.Henry. Edgar Lee Masters. Trotskyites. Thomas Wolfe. Willem de Kooning...Edith Piaf...Diego Rivera...Tenessee Williams... Arthur Miller writes After the Fall here and concieves a daughter (might as well) 1952...Dylan Thomas moves in.Dies after heavy drinking at White Horse Tavern... "Dylan Thomas lived and laboured here...and from here sailed out to die..." (on hotel plaque) Sir Arthur C. Clarke moves in ('56) '63...Warhol circle moves in 64...William Burroughs... Dylan writes "Sad Eyed Lady" at the Chelsea and later has a baby while staying here leonard cohen...gregory corso warhol's film ('66) Chelsea Girls jimi hendrix...janis joplin, lover and subject for cohen's "Chelsea Hotel" ("I remember you well, in the Chelsea Hotel" - the rest is censored, except the fact that originally that nite, joplin was lookin' for kristofferson and cohen was lookin' for bardot) dennis hopper JONI WRITES CHELSEA MORNING WHILE STAYING HERE... Vladimir Nabokov Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" inspired by his Warhol friends here and his "Chelsea Girls" about rooms 115 and 506... Bobby Neuwirth stays here and meets Patti Smith... Sam Shepherd stays here and gets involved with Patti Smith... Donald Sutherland... Sid Vicious and his vicious story... "it was a shithouse in '78...now its fixed up again" one resident explains rooms start at $135. a nite ... says a spanish writer: Their beds have been weakened by the inexpressible nocturnal customs of Jimi Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Keith Richards, Buddy Thousands, Rum Wood, The Grateful Dead, The Beach Boys, Procol Harum, Country Joe & The Fish, Pink Floyd and the Allman Brothers. Bob Dylan wrote several of his songs in the A17 room, until today never has wanted to occupy another one; a group of students has speculated on the possibility that the neon signboard falls exactly on its window, the inspiration that illuminates the teacher. i'd be all day researching the chelsea any longer...why don't you jomdlers help out, esp. you burnt worms of the big apple... Lead Foot Melvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:39:37 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: the url of chelsea the fantasmagizmotic url of chelsea: http://www.hotelchelsea.com/ Dancin' Clown to the Url of Chelsea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:38:53 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: the chelsea njc ...and don't forget Jorma Kokonen's (sp?) "Third Week in the Chelsea" on Jefferson Airplane's "Volunteers" which does not even mention or refer to the Chelsea or any other hotel.... RR ps I think I heard they named this hotel after Chelsea Clinton shane mattison wrote: > Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning, > and the first thing that i saw > Was the sun through yellow curtains, > and a rainbow on the wall > Blue, red, green and gold to welcome you > crimson crystal beads to beckon... > > i have hopped from the Empire Hotel in Regina to the Chelsea in New York, > from > 'sitting on my groceries' to 'if only you will stay...' > > 1750 > Chelsea estate built > Captain Thomas Clarke, a veteran officer of the French-Indian Wars gave the > name of Chelsea to his country-seat--an estate on the shores of the Hudson, > two and three miles north of the town of New York. It was on 23rd between 9th > & 10th Avenues. > > 1884 > Chelsea Hotel built > Hotel (then a co-operative apartment building) built by George M. Smith and > designed by architects Hubert, Pirsson & Co. It was the tallest building in > New York until 1902. > > Mark Twain was a frequent guest. > O.Henry. Edgar Lee Masters. > Trotskyites. Thomas Wolfe. Willem de Kooning...Edith Piaf...Diego > Rivera...Tenessee Williams... > Arthur Miller writes After the Fall here and concieves a daughter (might as > well) > 1952...Dylan Thomas moves in.Dies after heavy drinking at White Horse > Tavern... > "Dylan Thomas lived and laboured here...and from here sailed out to die..." > (on hotel plaque) > Sir Arthur C. Clarke moves in ('56) > '63...Warhol circle moves in > 64...William Burroughs... > Dylan writes "Sad Eyed Lady" at the Chelsea > and later has a baby while staying here > leonard cohen...gregory corso > warhol's film ('66) Chelsea Girls > jimi hendrix...janis joplin, lover and subject for cohen's "Chelsea Hotel" ("I > remember you well, in the Chelsea Hotel" - the rest is censored, except the > fact that originally that nite, joplin was lookin' for kristofferson and cohen > was lookin' for bardot) > dennis hopper > JONI WRITES CHELSEA MORNING WHILE STAYING HERE... > Vladimir Nabokov > Lou Reed's "Walk on the Wild Side" inspired by his Warhol friends here and his > "Chelsea Girls" about rooms 115 and 506... > Bobby Neuwirth stays here and meets Patti Smith... > Sam Shepherd stays here and gets involved with Patti Smith... > Donald Sutherland... > Sid Vicious and his vicious story... > "it was a shithouse in '78...now its fixed up again" one resident explains > rooms start at $135. a nite ... > says a spanish writer: > Their beds have been weakened by the inexpressible nocturnal customs of Jimi > Hendrix, Frank Zappa, Keith Richards, Buddy Thousands, Rum Wood, The Grateful > Dead, The Beach Boys, Procol Harum, Country Joe & The Fish, Pink Floyd and the > Allman Brothers. Bob Dylan wrote several of his songs in the A17 room, until > today never has wanted to occupy another one; a group of students has > speculated on the possibility that the neon signboard falls exactly on its > window, the inspiration that illuminates the teacher. > > i'd be all day researching the chelsea any longer...why don't you jomdlers > help out, esp. you burnt worms of the big apple... > > Lead Foot Melvin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 16:39:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: the chelsea NJC <> Was that what inspired the play, "Waiting for Bardot"? ;~) Bob NP: Sugarloaf, "Chest Fever" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 16:47:17 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: (md) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject (fwd) Marcel sent me this note offlist, and when I asked him if he would post it to the list he suggested that I post it myself. - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 14:14:47 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com To: kenevans@umich.edu Subject: Re: (md) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject Uh oh, you are in big twubble. YOU have the nerve to post common sense !!! Look out, flames acoming. LOL. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 15:53:36 -0500 From: "Sharon L. Buffington" Subject: Re: the chelsea NJC I have a question for you Bob...and anyone else...what do you think Passion Play is about? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > <> > > Was that what inspired the play, "Waiting for Bardot"? ;~) > > Bob > > NP: Sugarloaf, "Chest Fever" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:43:40 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: (md) Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Subject (fwd) At 04:47 PM 8/8/01 -0400, w evans wrote: >Marcel sent me this note offlist, and when I asked him if he would post >it to the list he suggested that I post it myself. Gee. Wow. Thanks for sharing. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 13:49:03 -0700 From: jan Subject: Ghost World (njc) The movie 'Ghost World''s great. Wincingly great. Forget 'High Fidelity' (the movie); GW's the real shyte. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:02:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: the chelsea NJC - --- "Sharon L. Buffington" wrote: > I have a question for you Bob...and anyone > else...what do you think > Passion Play is about? A lot of the same things as other whole songs, and portions of even still more ... "corporate injustice." From paving paradise & putting up parking lots, to the "gentrification" of old Beale St., to the "rippin' off Indian land again" in The Chinese Cafe, to The Three Great Stimulants -- Joni's always been quick to point out the subtle, and not-so-subtle ways that the rich and powerful take their advantages. Just my take on it ... though I'm interested to see what insights others may have. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 17:05:51 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Passion Play <> Since I'm running out of time, I'll give you the 'nickel' answer instead of the $5 one... All of the song relates to the life of Jesus Christ and his humanity & compassion to those who were oppressed...the confusion settles in around her use of "Exxon Blue & radiation Rose"...given that, I think Joni is trying to say that true compassion or spirit can grant freedom to those 'slaves' who are oppressed. More later, maybe...it's one of my favorite songs to discuss. Bob NP: Sugarloaf, "Spaceship Earth" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 14:11:06 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: the chelsea - --- shane mattison wrote: > Woke up, it was a Chelsea morning, > JONI WRITES CHELSEA MORNING WHILE STAYING HERE... well, didn't joni live in chelsea? (why yes, she did!) i think it was 16th street. so, i doubt she wrote it at the chelsea hotel, i bet she wrote it in her apartment or somethin'. just thinking about it. she talks about living in an apartment in chelsea on stage, on some cd i have, or rose has, or i'm sure bob has. anyone?? alison e. (the truest chelsea girl on the list) in Chelsea, NYC (yup, i pass the chelsea hotel on my way home from work every day.) Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 18:11:19 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: the chelsea In a message dated 8/8/01 5:12:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: > well, didn't joni live in chelsea? (why yes, she did!) > i think it was 16th street. so, i doubt she wrote it > at the chelsea hotel, i bet she wrote it in her > apartment or somethin'. just thinking about it. > she talks about living in an apartment in chelsea on > stage, on some cd i have, or rose has, or i'm sure bob > has. > anyone?? > I believe that's correct Alison, Joni shared an apt. on the second floor in the chelsea district with an artist. I found it somewhere in the Joni Mitchell.com conversation section. OOOh I found it. Wally was interviewing Mark Roth, photographer who took that fisheye photo of Joni in New York under the umbrella. These are really wonderful interviews to read. I often go back there to read them for hours. Thanks Wally, thanks Jim Mark: She seemed to be at first, but you know, yet, there was this sense of purpose about her. I had a place in New York City in a brownstone which had been converted to apartments. It was half underground, half above ground because of the unique structure of a NY brownstone. We took some shots there. But most of the stuff that we did that mattered was done outside or at Joni's apartment. Wally: That was the ground floor apartment at 41 West 16th Street? That's where she wrote "Chelsea Morning," I believe. Mark: That's correct. It was in the Chelsea district, right across the street from a church. Rose who had a 31/2 hr job interview today! Yikes, does that mean they're interested? rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #338 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?