From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #337 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 337 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- energy plan NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: energy plan NJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: energy plan NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: How do you stop. [johnirving ] Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC [slarty ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 21:21:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: energy plan NJC I found this article on the site recommended by Brenda (thank you!)regarding the contributions behind Bush's energy plan. No surprises here but disturbing never the less because we need to be developing alternative & renewable sources of energy. Not gonna happen (in a Dana Carvey voice impression of Bush Sr.) Also stuff re: California energy crisis & who is blaming who... http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_24.asp ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 01:55:14 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) i just saw that!!!! muffie: your head is mine! [mmmmmmm.. why does it sound so nice....] wallyK, who don't never use no double negatives. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 08 de Agosto de 2001 12:11 a.m. Para: suze_1@lycos.com; Relayer211@aol.com CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) In a message dated 8/7/01 10:08:10 PM, suze_1@lycos.com writes: << I don't know nothin' 'bout birthin' no babies......... Wait.....that wasn't her that was Butterfly McQueen, or was it?!?! >> Sue, I believe it was WallyK. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:21:57 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: energy plan NJC And here is another one (considering recent discussions) on the privatization of Social Security. "The Calm Before the Storm: Wall Street and Social Security Reform" http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_25.asp What surprises me is that although there is a piece on the Patient Bill of Rights (see below) there is no mention of the Association of Trial Lawyers of America (the #2 PAC in terms of giving - 86% of which goes to Dems) and how their giving relates to the battle over limiting liability damages. "New Friends: The American Medical Association, Democrats and the Patients' Bill of Rights" http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_22.asp Brenda Kate Bennett wrote: > I found this article on the site recommended by Brenda (thank you!)regarding > the contributions behind Bush's energy plan. No surprises here but > disturbing never the less because we need to be developing alternative & > renewable sources of energy. Not gonna happen (in a Dana Carvey voice > impression of Bush Sr.) Also stuff re: California energy crisis & who is > blaming who... > > http://www.opensecrets.org/alerts/v6/alertv6_24.asp > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 07 Aug 2001 22:28:21 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Hattie Mcdaniel(NJC) Speaking of "Gone with the Wind".... has anyone read that controversial answer novel - "Wind Done Gone"? http://www.booksense.com/product/info.jsp?isbn=061810450X Any reviews or thoughts? Brenda Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > There is a a very interesting show now on AMC about Hattie Mcdaniel > who played Mammy in "Gone with the Wind." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 22:30:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: energy plan NJC Kate wrote: > I found this article on the site recommended by Brenda (thank you!)regarding > the contributions behind Bush's energy plan. No surprises here but > disturbing never the less because we need to be developing alternative & > renewable sources of energy. Not gonna happen (in a Dana Carvey voice > impression of Bush Sr.) Part of the deal made with deregulation in California in 1996 was that the independent generators had to use alternative and renewable sources of energy. I'm not sure on the numbers but most of the energy we get in California now is coming from a variety of alternative sources. However, even with the latest technology they still need a certain amount of oil and gas to run their plants. >Also stuff re: California energy crisis & who is blaming who... It's ridiculous to pin it on Gray Davis but check out this other aspect of the story regarding Davis from a major Democrat website that Open Secrets did not include in its article. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2001/07/31/edison/index.html Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 01:28:30 -0500 From: johnirving Subject: Re: How do you stop. Ok, it's not a Joni song... but the way I've always taken the meaning of the questioning in How do you stop, (ie. how to stop growing corn or a baby being born) is that it's not meant to be a direct question. (Which begets direct answers: Obviously abortion, poisons, etc.) What's being asked is, how do you avoid or undue things without heartache, loss or suffering? There's the rub. (And the point of the song, I think...) I feel listening to the song in this context gives it more value. Just my op. On other fronts... --I've been horribly irresponsible of late!!! Taking time away from painting and (gasp!) playing with my Parker Fly and VG-8. (And quite badly I might add.) But I have a blast with it when I do. This instrument is far too viilified in this community. It's an amazing instrument with beautiful sound. Strings don't break and switching songs is a touch of a dial away. How can you beat that? In any way possible, I encourage everyone out there to get a guitar and to PLAY Joni's music. Don't fret lack of ability! I certainly don't. Just wait until everyone has left the house. It's like singing in the showers. Off key? Who gives a damn? There are several perks for me in playing Joni: One, it will help one realize that all the 'phases' of Joni... rock, jazz, pop, etc. are blurs of 'style-isms.' In truth there is Joni and only Joni here, -her chords, her melodies and song. Everything else is packaging. Her music is not part of anything. It is purely Joan. Playing the songs in isolation, away from the 'production' of the recordings makes this very clear to me. There are surprises in the chords...!!!! I'm always amazed by the transition chords in her music. Fourth and 5th chords are obviously pretty in their transitions and Joni relies on them as much as anyone. But in the bridges, when she switches keys, modalities, etc. there are some brilliantly amazing chords that thrill my heart everytime I hear them. I find tonal passages that thrill me listing to her music being very different from the one's playing her music. It's the chords on the first, second, third, eighth, tenth, thirteenth frets that really put a spell on me. -Is this true for anyone else out there? As Bob Dylan asked, "Joni, where did you get THOSE CHORDS???!!! You may discover you like Joni songs you hate! Stripping those hated songs of synth effects, drum kits, etc. etc. may open up up your heart to the poetry and chordal movements that make Joni Joni. The best way to get Mueller dancing happily to Dancing Clown may be to get him playing it himself! (Do I hear a fest request?) As much as I loved all the bands Joni played with on tour, the moments that sent tingles up my spine the most is where she would play a song solo. There was a profound mix of serenity and intensity in those moments. You could feel it in the quiet attentiveness of hteaudience. Everyone locked in on her because you just new you were in for a beautiful experience. Now, what can I bribe Paz with to do me another patch of Joni tunings????? It's the open tunings, man. I love her for the open tunings. john. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2001 02:51:11 -0400 From: slarty Subject: Re: T. Waits "Foreign Affairs" NJC Wrote this earlier but I sent it off to just Bob by mistake. Damn Reply Button. Ok so I checked out Blue Valentine & Heartattack & Vine. For the most part I would say more of the same except for "Somewhere" which he didn't write and possibly "Ruby's Arms" which he did though it is still not in the same league as Foreign Affair. I could just picture it. Tom Waits in some seedy bar bumps into a broadway show writer whose last show never made it into post-production, down on his luck full of coke and his wife just left him. Man, I need the bread so sure Tom I'll sell ya this song for 100 bucks. They sure as hell don't need it anymore. Me thinks I could write a Tom Waits song about it. Well maybe if I was at least half the writer TW is- that is. Which I'm not of course. Ken SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > I would never have thought that, Ken...can you be more specific as to which lyrics you're referring to? Or just the general tone of the album? > > FA is brilliant, and very similar in my mind to Blue Valentine & Heartattack & Vine, which came out around the same general period. > > "Potter's Field" from FA is Tom Waits' 'Paprika Plains', I think... > > Jack & Neal/California, Here I Come is CLASSIC Waits. NOBODY else could have written it. Same goes for most of the songs on it, I would say. > > And, also like Blue Valentine, it features Rickie Lee Jones on the cover! > > Bob, always up for a TW thread! > > NP: Steely Dan, "Cousin Dupree" 6/3/00 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > I would never have thought that, Ken...can you be more specific as to which lyrics you're referring to? Or just the general tone of the album? > > FA is brilliant, and very similar in my mind to Blue Valentine & Heartattack & Vine, which came out around the same general period. > > "Potter's Field" from FA is Tom Waits' 'Paprika Plains', I think... > > Jack & Neal/California, Here I Come is CLASSIC Waits. NOBODY else could have written it. Same goes for most of the songs on it, I would say. > > And, also like Blue Valentine, it features Rickie Lee Jones on the cover! > > Bob, always up for a TW thread! > > NP: Steely Dan, "Cousin Dupree" 6/3/00 ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #337 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?