From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #332 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, August 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 332 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: August 5 [les@jmdl.com] Today in Joni History: August 5 [les@jmdl.com] Re: Jansch/Denny (NJC) [] Re: joni's jazz?? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: songs about the circus (njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: songs about the circus (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Jansch/Denny (NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: A Walk Down Abbey Road! NJC ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: Today's Articles: August 5 ["Mark or Travis" ] u2 (NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Songcatcher NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Songcatcher NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] chinese cafe ["J.David Sapp" ] Re: Songcatcher NJC [Fauchja@aol.com] RE: Songcatcher NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: chinese cafe ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Today's Articles: August 5 ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: songs about the circus (njc) ["Diane Evans" ] jmdl cookbook question [Randy Remote ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #238 ["Timothy Spong" ] Re: jmdl cookbook question [FMYFL@aol.com] Commonwealth Air Training Plan ["shane mattison" ] Re: songs about the circus (njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Subject: Europe vs US On second thought NJC [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Subject: Europe vs US On second thought NJC [Murphycopy@aol.com] James Dean [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Commonwealth Air Training Plan [Randy Remote ] Re: Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC [Bruyere ] how do you stop [Nuriel Tobias ] Re: how do you stop [MGVal@aol.com] Re: songs about the circus (njc) [colin ] Re: july 31!!!!!!!!!!! njc [Michael Paz ] Covers and Such (NJC) [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:19:52 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: August 5 On August 5 these articles were published: 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone (Review - Album, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710805rs.cfm 1994: "Edmonton Folk Festival Press Conference " - Edmonton Folk Festival (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/940805eff.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 619 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 04:19:52 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: August 5 On August 5 in Joni Mitchell History: 1994: Joni gives a press conference at the Edmonton Folk Festival. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/EdmontonPress94.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 12:32:50 +0100 From: Subject: Re: Jansch/Denny (NJC) Brian wrote : > And, imho, Eleanor McEvoy is today's Irish Joni High praise indeed for Miss McEvoy but really becoming the new Joni is an impossible task.. As well as genius, potential Jonis need wit, intelligence and beauty. But that's show business. .I compiled this handy guide to the new Jonis around the world. The contenders are rated on a scale of zero to a perfect Joni 10. Gemma Hayes Irish Joni, Album produced by a Mercury Rev guy. I've seen her live a few times and I'm not sure I can believe how good she is until I hear the album.. Jonifactor 6 Kathryn Williams English Joni. Anyone who has a cello in her band is ok with me. Quiet as a mouse but witty and friendly.. Jonifactor 6 Mary Margaret O'Hara Canadian Joni. One great album and then she disappeared without trace. When I bought my copy of Miss America, the guy in the shop told me he also sold one to Michael Stipe. Jonifactor 8 Joyce Brazilian Joni. Thanks to a shy jmdler for introducing me to this woman's lovely music. Jonifactor 7 Katell Keineg Welsh Joni. Made two brilliant albums on Elektra. Erratic live performer Joinfactor 6 Lucinda Williams Louisiana Joni. What's with these Williams people, they're all so talented. There's Hank, Kathryn, Paul, Victoria, Big Joe, Tony, Dar, and 'em Robbie, even Andy deserves a mention for Moon River. Jonifactor 8 Christine Collister Manx Joni. Her and Barry Gibb comprise the Isle Of Man's claim to pop fame. . Jonifactor 4 Eleanor McEvoy Irish Joni. She's good but plays it too safe. You've got to take risks to be the new Joni. Jonifactor 3 Beth Orton English Joni. It's time she put out a new record. Jonifactor 8 Suzanne Vega Spanish Harlem Joni. Great live performer. In Liverpool is one of my favourite songs. Jonifactor 4 Jonatha Brooke US Joni. Saw her last month. Impressed but not enough to buy her records. Jonifactor 3 Others: Bjork (9), Cat Power (8), Aimee (4), Shawn (3), Carly (7), Shelby (4), Mary Chapin Carpenter (7), Jane Siberry (6), Emmylou (7), kd (7), Sinead (0) disqualified for being a priest. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 08:12:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's jazz?? << anyhow, what i'd like to know is if anyone here happens to have in their possession a copy of tapes or discs from that night. >> Hi there, wild koba. Wild Bob here. I've got that show, it's a 3-CD set. It's also available on cassette, 2-tapes total. Vernon was righteous that night, THE highlight of the show for me (I didn't go, but some folks here did). The quality of the recording is very nice, if ONLY more of the performances were! Contact me privately about getting copies. :~) And welcome to the list! I hope you stick around. I was always a Living Colour fan, and of course a Joni fan as well. I didn't know they were playing together again. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 09:09:58 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: songs about the circus (njc) How about "Karn Evil #9" from Emerson, Lake, and Palmer... "Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends We're so glad you could attend, step inside, step inside. Come on in the the show's about to start, Guarranteed to blow your head apart. You gotta see the show, it's a dynamo..." Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 10:35:10 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: re: songs about the circus (njc) Thanks to all who have offered suggestions. We both appreciate your help very much. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 11:59:05 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: A&E Saw a promo last night on A&E for a multi-part series which begins next Sunday called Popular Song: Soundtrack of the Century. It included an early Joni clip. Looks good. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:50:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: songs about the circus (njc) << How about "Karn Evil #9" from Emerson, Lake, and Palmer... >> I would definitely be interested in seeing this one done cabaret style! :~) Bob NP: Blink 182, "Happy Holidays, You Bastard" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:58:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jansch/Denny (NJC) << Cat Power (8) >> I wouldn't give Cat Power more than a (5) until she learns a couple of new chords! ;~) And I was amazed that you didn't include Ani Difranco on your list, Philip...after all: 1. Her first release was all acoustic, and she grew into working with a band; 2. Her lyrics are brilliant, like Joni's, and she's not afraid to be outspoken, both on social & political issues as well as emotional ones. She bares herself in her songs with words that can make you laugh and/or cry, but always feel. 3. She always keeps you guessing; she's more intent on progressing musically instead of catering to the world of pop, you can always count on her to surprise you musically. 4. She's a radically smart business person, rather than sign a contract of indentured servitude with a record label, she releases what she wants when she wants on her own. Anyway, when I think of who's the "Joni-est" out there, Ani fills the bill for me! Bob NP: Blink 182, "Roller Coaster" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:21:00 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: A Walk Down Abbey Road! NJC Catherine wrote: > Nikki definitely got a better deal - maybe it was > *meant* to be. Ya know Catherine, Theresa and I started to think that too! Especially since that happened and now we get to see each other again next month :-) Thanks everyone who wrote and was excited for me :-) I missed everyone! Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: Catherine McKay [mailto:anima_rising@yahoo.ca] > Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2001 9:38 AM > To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com; stealth@voicenet.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: A Walk Down Abbey Road! NJC > > > Nikki definitely got a better deal - maybe it was > *meant* to be. > > --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Good to hear from you, you've definitely been > > missed! Sorry about Stevie...a > > pal from work drove to Charlotte and found out about > > the cancellation > > (laryngitis) so I burned her a copy of > > Buckingham-Nicks with our favorite > > song on it to cheer her up! ;~) > > > > Anyway, what a cool thing that you got to hang and > > sing with Ann Wilson! > > Couldn't have happened to a sweeter person...like > > they say, when life hands > > you lemons, sing a Joni song with Ann Wilson! ;~) > > > > Of course, it begs the question - if Stevie has > > laryngitis, how can you tell? > > :~D > > > > Bob > > > > NP: Akiko Pavolka, "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:16:19 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Today's Articles: August 5 > On August 5 these articles were published: > > 1971: "Blue" - Rolling Stone > (Review - Album, with photographs) > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/710805rs.cfm When I read the following lines from this review: (referring to 'All I Want'): 'The accompaniment - James Taylor and Joni drumming a nervous, Latin-flavored guitar pan over a bass heartbeat that throbs throughout the song' (referring to 'California'): 'James Taylor's twitchy guitar and Russ Kunkel's superb, barely detectable high-hat and bass-pedal work give it just the right amount of propulsion. and finally: 'In "A Case of You," James repeats the same dotted guitar riff he played in "California," only the melody here is slow, stately and almost hymnlike. ' I thought to myself: 'Why no mention of the dulcimer? Did he actually *listen* to this record? Doesn't he read the liner notes of the records he allegedly 'reviewed'???' So I went and looked at the liner notes on 'Blue'. I looked at the first 'Blue' cd I bought. I looked at the gold DCC disk I was fortunate enough to win in one of Wally Breese's contests. Finally I dug out my vinyl copy and lo and behold! There is no mention of the dulcimer anywhere in the liner notes for 'Blue'! Of course it also doesn't mention that Joni plays piano or guitar (does she play guitar?) on 'Blue'. I guess this is supposed to be evident or assumed since she is known for the piano and guitar. But this was the only album that she played dulcimer on so to me it seems odd that it would not be credited. And it seems even odder that the reviewer for the bloody Rolling Stone wouldn't at least do enough home work to know the instrument when he heard it and recognize it's contribution to the sound of these songs! Especially 'A Case of You'. Just about every cover I've heard of this song echoes that dulcimer line somewhere in the arrangement and more than one blatantly copies it virtually intact. It's almost like it's a necessary, integral part of the song. (Jane Monheit's version is one exception and it does work, imo. I don't think Tori Amos used it either.) But this guy mentioned James' guitar and ignored the dulcimer. Could this be a bit of sexism? I wonder.... There is also this little gem about 'Little Green': 'The pretty, "poetic" lyric is dressed up in such cryptic references that it passeth all understanding. ' What's so 'cryptic' about 'Little Green'? The only thing that was cryptic about it was who it was really about. But the song itself seems pretty straightforward to me. The Rolling Stone. Was it ever really worth paying attention to? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 14:31:49 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: u2 (NJC) Anyone like U2? I have a CD from the early 80's of club stuff if someone wants it. 1st person to write can have it for postage. Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:03:13 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Songcatcher NJC Has anyone seen the movie Songcatcher? I saw it last night & absolutely loved it. It is a story of a woman musicologist in the 1900s who goes to visit her sister living in the Appalachian Mountains & discovers their beautiful music. A simple & powerful story on many levels. No overdubbing of songs in this movie...everyone sings their own. The most amazing performance was the young 13 year old (?) girl. She was very authentic, yet she is trained in opera & lives in NYC!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 11:55:16 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Songcatcher NJC > Has anyone seen the movie Songcatcher? I saw it last night & absolutely > loved it. It is a story of a woman musicologist in the 1900s who goes to > visit her sister living in the Appalachian Mountains & discovers their > beautiful music. A simple & powerful story on many levels. No overdubbing of > songs in this movie...everyone sings their own. The most amazing performance > was the young 13 year old (?) girl. She was very authentic, yet she is > trained in opera & lives in NYC!!! Synchronicity strikes again, Kate! I just saw this movie yesterday. I have to say, though, that I thought it was pretty clichid and could have had more depth to it. They had a good idea for a story but didn't develop it very well, imo. Still there were a lot of good things in this movie. The actors were almost all excellent. Janet McTeer plays the musicologist and she was great! And Aidan Quinn has beautiful blue eyes and with that full, dark beard....oh baby! But I was looking for Iris Dement most of all. I knew she sang on the soundtrack but I didn't know she was actually in the film until I saw her name in the credits. She has one brief scene where she sings 'Pretty Saro' and the sound of that voice just cuts right through me! Her voice seems made for this kind of material. There is also a beautiful version of 'Barbara Allen' played over the closing credits sung by the incomparable Emmylou Harris. The music, the scenery and the acting make this movie worth seeing, imo, but the script is somewhat lacking. If you don't mind that, though, by all means go see it! It's better than the usual special effects sex & violence fodder that clutters up most movies these days. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 15:13:56 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: chinese cafe Shane wrote speaking of Ft.Macleod; you can stop at a great chinese cafe right in the center of it... Could this be THE CHINESE CAFE? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 16:35:10 EDT From: Fauchja@aol.com Subject: Re: Songcatcher NJC I saw it. Just lovely. The young girl you mentioned was indeed a highlight. I also enjoyed the rendition of Oh Death. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 13:47:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: Songcatcher NJC Songcatcher is playing at select theatres as its a limited release kind of thing...it won an award at Sundance... Here is the website, though it doesn't tell you where the film is playing.... http://www.songcatcherthefilm.com I think it was a work of art & love story to the people & music of Appalachia...for me the simplicity of plot was a nice reflection of the time & place of the film...but i am no film critic...if something moves me to tears, as this movie did, then i don't care about the rest... btw the cd does not contain much of the music in the form that it was in the film & many people have been disappointed by that...however, hearing emmylou singing barbara allen at the credits was stunning so i think i will like the cd which contains more produced versions of the traditional songs... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:34:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: chinese cafe hey david, what is a chinese cafe? i thought it was the name of a cafe, like ''the russian tearoom'', for example. is it a specific kind of cafe? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de J.David Sapp Enviado el: Domingo, 05 de Agosto de 2001 05:14 p.m. Para: joni list Asunto: chinese cafe Shane wrote speaking of Ft.Macleod; you can stop at a great chinese cafe right in the center of it... Could this be THE CHINESE CAFE? peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:37:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Today's Articles: August 5 dear mark, the answer to your question is NO. do you know what they do at rolling stone? they take a look at the lyrics and underline two or three portions that will prove that the artist is either: the new [place name here] or an asshole. then they look at the credits and check out the guest musicians. finally they play the album and take notes so that it will look like they've actually ANALYZED the music and lyrics, but they're only trying to locate the guest musicians [if any] and the lyrics they've read. then they write the review, putting all these things together, and it looks as if they know what they're talking about. wallyK, former subscriber - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark or Travis Enviado el: Domingo, 05 de Agosto de 2001 03:16 p.m. Para: les@jmdl.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Today's Articles: August 5 The Rolling Stone. Was it ever really worth paying attention to? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 17:12:44 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: songs about the circus (njc) Just a couple more, Lahm! How about that instrumental from the 60's (The Elephant Walk?)? Then there are some good ones in Disney's Jungle Book and Dumbo. Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 15:19:07 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: songs about the circus (njc) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > Hi David, > > There's an old Hart/Rodgers tune called "The Circus Is On Parade". > and one of my favorite tunes from Leon Russell is "Tightrope" from his album > Carney. > > Jimmy I second the motion for "Tightrope", which has a wonderfully bluesy/dissonant ragtime piano accompaniment. (this is from memory so most of it is hopefully right) I'm up on the tightwire One side's ice and one is fire It's a circus game with you and me I'm up on the tightrope One side's hate and one is hope But the tophat on my head is all you see And the wire seems to be the only place for me A comedy of errors and I'm fallin' Like a rubber-necked giraffe You look into my past Well maybe you're just too blind to......see I'm up in the spotlight It doesn't feel right The altitude seems to get to me I'm up on the tightwire Flanked by life and the funeral pyre Putting on a show for you to see ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 15:21:09 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: jmdl cookbook question Does anyone know if the jmdl cookbook is posted online somewhere? I need my own recipe! Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 22:34:50 From: "Timothy Spong" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #238 On Sat, 4 Aug 2001, Nuriel Tobias wrote: > > >ha! ha! ha! just heard "woman of heart and mind"'s cover by minie riperton >and that's the funniest thing that's happened to me this week! i just had >to listen to it again and again and that dreadfull miniemouse just kept me >bursting in laughter! no heart, no mind - but w h a t a w o m a n!!! i'm >telling you - let that girl cover "the sire of sorrow" - and it'll be the >happiest joni song ever! >see ya - nuriel > >_____________________________________________________________ > and now, me: Minnie Ripperton died some years ago of cancer. My reaction to Ms. Ripperton's one big hit that I know of, "Loving You" from some time in the 1970s, was not a whole lot more positive than yours to this cover. However, I vaguely remember seeing her praised lavishly once in print. If I am not conflating different things, I think Minnie Ripperton was a member of Rotary Connection [late 1960s] before going solo. I liked Rotary Connection and, therefore, whatever was the contribution of Minnie's voice to it. I have the 45 r.p.m., 7-inch single of their treatment of "Soul Man" on one side and of "Ruby Tuesday" on the other side, and a reel-to-reel tape dub of about half of the album on which those appeared. Tim Spong _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 18:52:35 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: jmdl cookbook question In a message dated 8/5/01 6:22:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > Does anyone know if the jmdl cookbook is posted online somewhere? > The JMDL cookbook, the uncounted Florida presidential ballots, the tapes of the New Orleans Jonifest are all with Jimmy Hoffa :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 17:23:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Commonwealth Air Training Plan joni mitchell's father, bill anderson, was stationed in Fort Macleod, Alberta at one of the many air bases of the (British) Commonwealth Air Training Plan, a mammoth project of the Second World War, preparing thousands of pilots and flight crews from all over the world for bomber and fighter service in the european war theatre...during his time there, in 1943, joni mitchell was born... there are many interesting websites which describe this huge project and even a couple of movies... 1) an overview of the plan,with photos and a list of the prairie bases, including Fort Macleod: http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aambcatp.html 2) the biggest of the plan air museums, from brandon manitoba, with a virtual tour of the kind of atmosphere and equipment bill anderson was involved with: http://www.airmuseum.ca/ 3)a wartime jimmy cagney film about the plan http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aamcagney.html#bcatpreturn1 4) a modern film, For the Moment, with russell crow, about life and love at these bases - the story describes the lives of a couple resembling that of close friends of my family...the plot is very real and happened alot in those days...the andersons took part in this environment and culture... http://www.airmuseum.ca/moments.html these sites are worth seeing in that they help the joni mitchell fan understand a big part of her origins... shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:10:10 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: songs about the circus (njc) In a message dated 8/4/01 6:29:59 PM, Dflahm@aol.com writes: << Judy and I are planning a show about the circus for our fall cabaret and we are looking for material on that theme. >> In addition to Debra's most excellent and inspired suggestion -- The Elephant Walk -- here are some I thought of: Dancin' Clown (by Joni) The Man on the Flying Trapeze Everybody Loves a Clown (Gary Lewis and the Playboys!) Simon Smith and the Amazing Dancing Bear (Randy Newman) Calliope music This may be stretching it a bit, but here are some songs that mention circus-related stuff: Is That All There Is? (Peggy Lee. "And when I was twelve years old, my daddy took me to the circus . . . there were clowns and elephants and dancing bears and a beautiful lady in pink tights flew high above our heads. And as I sat there watching, I had the feeling that something was missing. I don't know what, but when it was all over I said to myself, is that all there is to the circus? Is that all there is? Is that all there iiiisss, is that's all there iiiissss? If that's all there is my friiiiends, then let's keep daaaaaancing. Let's break out the booooooze and haaave a baaaallll, if that's aaaallll, there iiiiiissss. . . .") In Dreams (Roy Orbison. For circus content, this song begins with the words, "A candy colored-clown they call the sandman" and will forever be etched into the minds of anyone who ever saw Blue Velvet) Sugar Mountain (Neil Young. Talks about "The barkers and the colored balloons.") And two more by Joni: The Only Joy in Town (Mentions "Fellini's circuses.") Both Sides Now ("Circus crowds.") Break a leg, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:14:37 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Europe vs US On second thought NJC Reading this thread has been interesting. Especially Colin's trip in the twilight zone in the US. Its the first time I ever realized that the movie Deliverance was filmed in Niagra Falls, based on the people he encountered. His one scene at the Inn reminded me of the kids on the moors in the movie American Werewolf in London. All that was missing was the pentagon on the wall. For some reason some Americans have this reflex about Europe being "better" than the US. Of course so do Eurpoeans. Keep in mind some Americans were wandering around in admiration of the Cuban health care system in which they use viatamines instead of antibiotics and in Russia they use each syringe 200 times. So some Americans will always say somewhere else is better than here. I have alot of family over there and I have visited a number of times and have lots of contacts and clients from there including a band I once produced that still tours there and we have discussed whats really going on in the day to day. So I have a good grasp on the differences. Europe does some things better than the US and the US is vastly superior in others. They compliment each other. They both have gigantic leaking warts and boils as well. The British Health care System. Some day a doctor will immolate himself like a Buddhist monk in Trafalgar Square and then maybe the Brits government will get the message. Until that day they wont. Who says that? The head of the British medical association. In Italy everyone has three jobs. The Government job which they pay someone a fee to punch in their time card as if they are actually working there, the private sector job doing something for some company, and the self employed endeavor in which they do anything else to contribute to the underground economy thats the same size as the real one. In France if you lose your job at over 40 years old you are hereby "retired" and on the dole. The unemployment in Europe is as high all the time as it was in the US during all its worst recessions outside of the Great depression. Of course these are the people that complain about "radical unilateral economic policies" of the US. The Euro economy is still a constipated behemoth and until they get off the socialist model will ever be. So as far as the macro picture the US has it all over the Euros. Not even close. I hasten to add that when the discussion involves "europe" they always leave out eastern europe which is a basket case for obvious reasons. However when it comes to "how to live" Europe is far more civil and sensible than the US.Having said that if you want a cafe you go to europe if you want a bathroom you go to America. A real curse in life is to only have a choice of Euro toilet paper. Their showers are evil hoaxes. In France I went to a millionaires house and in the bathroom they have this beautiful bath tub set up in the middle of the room itself with a squirting hose and no curtain. The entire room gets soaked no matter how hard you try to angle the hose. America DRUBS the euros in showers. DRUBS not beats. Same with Breakfasts. Sorry dont even bother giving me some excuse. Bacon, eggs, hash browns, english muffins, biscuits and gravy, California fresh fruit, fresh cold milk , oatmeal, cantaloupe or orange juice over crushed ice....Were talking this versus some croissant or hot bun or green eggs like I had in London??? Egad. Breakfast is an overwhelming US gold medal. The other two meals the Euros win big. In spite of the US surge in BarBQ points. Wines a tie these days. Clothes...??? Europe. people dress up there. In the US we wax and wane between the tacky and the down right grunge. Peoples shape? The americans are always easy to spot waddling along in their canary yellow dacron best down the Via Condotti. I could go on. As for the violence. Give me a break. Do we pretend that the Balkans are in Africa. White slavery is off the charts today perpetrated by Albanians (whose ass we just saved) who are busy ransacking Macedonia. Racism? Hey those Turks are having a ball in Germany and the Algerians are frolicing in France and the Basque Separatists are just a political party that celebrates its political initiatives with assassinations. I could go on and on and on. England, Colins paradise, has just had massive race riots. I also think I read another huge bomb just went off in London. WE all know about the old death camps that dot the central continent landscape. The long march of death of the American Indians. In all thes respects both places are dead equal except we have more guns in our citizens hands so Europeans will be enslaved by far easier than the US by the coming world government run by Belgian Eunichs who hate literally everybody. But those are all the time things everywhere. The bottom line is I love both places. Europe is a great place to live, not entrepreneur, and the US is the land of wonder and abundance. Nothing wrong with that. We need each other because neither of us realizes that we do. ciao tutti. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:46:39 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Europe vs US On second thought NJC In a message dated 8/5/01 7:16:24 PM, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << the coming world government run by Belgian Eunichs who hate literally everybody >> I knew it was only a matter of time before those sneaky, lowlife, lowlander Flemish eunuch bitches had their way with us. Next thing you know, their Supreme Court will be deciding our presidential elections. :-) --Bob, trying to limit political discussion to threads with content involving Europe and the rest of the world ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:49:13 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: James Dean TNT is premiering a James Dean movie. It started at 8:00 PM ET/PT, but it will be aired again at 10PM James Franco (Freaks and Geeks, Spider-Man) stars as legendary film actor James Dean in the Turner Network Television (TNT) Original film JAMES DEAN, directed by Academy Award.-nominated director Mark Rydell (On Golden Pond, The Rose). JAMES DEAN, a stirring drama that tells the tragic story of the brooding rebel who remains a legend 45 years after his death, will premiere on TNT Sunday, August 5 at 8 p.m. ET/PT. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 17:48:47 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Commonwealth Air Training Plan Great information, Shane! shane mattison wrote: > joni mitchell's father, bill anderson, was stationed in Fort Macleod, Alberta > at one of the many air bases of the (British) Commonwealth Air Training Plan, > a mammoth project of the Second World War, preparing thousands of pilots and > flight crews from all over the world for bomber and fighter service in the > european war theatre...during his time there, in 1943, joni mitchell was > born... > there are many interesting websites which describe this huge project and even > a couple of movies... > 1) an overview of the plan,with photos and a list of the prairie bases, > including Fort Macleod: > http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aambcatp.html > 2) the biggest of the plan air museums, from brandon manitoba, with a virtual > tour of the kind of atmosphere and equipment bill anderson was involved with: > http://www.airmuseum.ca/ > 3)a wartime jimmy cagney film about the plan > http://www.ualberta.ca/EDMONTON/CONTRIB/airmuseum/aamcagney.html#bcatpreturn1 > 4) a modern film, For the Moment, with russell crow, about life and love at > these bases - the story describes the lives of a couple resembling that of > close friends of my family...the plot is very real and happened alot in those > days...the andersons took part in this environment and culture... > http://www.airmuseum.ca/moments.html > these sites are worth seeing in that they help the joni mitchell fan > understand a big part of her origins... > shane ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 20:54:24 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC Darby O'Gill and the Little People gave me nightmares when I saw it long ago. Never watched it since then. Heather At 07:20 PM 8/3/01 -0700, Mark or Travis wrote: > > The thing that scared the bejesus out of me was the > > Banshee in "Darby O'Gill and the Little People" (yep, > > a Disney film - and they're supposed to be for kids.) > >I remember somebody taking me out to the lobby during that part of >'Darby O'Gill' (I almost typed DOGATLP but decided to give Catherine a >break ;-) I don't remember if this was because I was actually scared >or somebody thought it would be too scary for me but I never knew >there *was* a banshee in this film until I saw it on the Disney >channel as an adult. Btw (sorry Catherine!), I met a woman from >Ireland once who said most people on the Emerald Isle regard this >movie as a total joke, kinda like the Irish equivalent of Stepin' >Fetchit, and would be embarrassed to own the video or be caught >watching it! I know we have Irish listers. Is that the case or was >Fidelma pulling my leg? > >Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 21:10:40 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC In a message dated 8/5/01 8:00:46 PM, chiaroscuro@snet.net writes: << Darby O'Gill and the Little People gave me nightmares when I saw it long ago. >> Funny, I felt the same way about being raised Irish Catholic! XO, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 19:59:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Re:songs about the circus (njc) Didn't Three Dog Night do a song called 'The Show Must Go On' or sonething like that which had circus music in it? I remember liking a song with circus music in it when I was a kid, not sure if it was Three Dog Night (but that sounds right. What about Leo Sayer? did he have a circus or maybe a clown themed song? Tyler having vague childhood '70's flashbacks Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2001 20:01:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Nuriel Tobias Subject: how do you stop hi. just thought i'd ask you folks something. in "how do you stop" joni adds the line - "how do you stop a baby being born" - a line which does not appear in the james brown song. and i was wondering why. could it be that joni felt so messed up with her daughter's loss that she was wishing she would have never bore her? nuriel _____________________________________________________________ Free email, web pages, news, entertainment, weather and MORE! Check out -------------------------------> http://wowmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2001 23:22:33 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: how do you stop Nuriel Tobias writes: > in "how do you stop" joni adds the line - "how do you stop a baby being born" - a line which does not appear in the james brown song. and i was wondering why. could it be that joni felt so messed up with her daughter's loss that she was wishing she would have never bore her? Granted, there are messed up areas in Joni's life, (isn't there in everyone's?), but I respectfully think that you are way off base by thinking that the "how do you stop a baby being born" was her addition dovetailing with wishing she had never had her child. The song "How Do You Stop" is more about "what can you do about the inevitable" when you've put love off until "later." Or what appears to be the inevitable. And the tinker that Joni is, perhaps that "baby being born" just slid out naturally and worked for her. It's a great song - one of the few that I enjoy from the album T.I. It is a very poignant one when I think about it in conjunction with love lost, missed connections and oportunities. This song also is a marvelous puzzle. Do things get too late and do inevitable forces mean that there is no getting back to that love? Or is it just another variation on the GBS line that "youth is wasted on the very young?" Once you've "seen the light" and learned something, is it too late? I know for myself that the deeper I get into my forties, (sigh, tick, tick, tick), the more this song resonates for me. MG np: things in the dryer whirling. PS I would also like to thank the list members who wrote me off list. It really made me feel so welcomed. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 07:30:21 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: songs about the circus (njc) Dreams-Grace Slick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:32:20 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: july 31!!!!!!!!!!! njc Dulson- Please excuse my tardiness but I am behind by about 400 and some joni emails. Happy Freaking Birthday. I do my Marilyn version for you in full drag, but you are NOT here. And you know I can do voices. Anyways have a wonderful week and hope to see you soon. Tinker ON Paz on 7/30/01 11:24 PM, Wally Kairuz at wallykai@fibertel.com.ar wrote: > hey! > hey mister! > hey you! > hey dulson! > yes you! > > > listen: > > > > HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA > AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPPYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY > YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY > > B I R T H D A Y ! ! ! ! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2001 01:47:44 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Covers and Such (NJC) Hey BoB- #20 is over the top. Thanks for sending it and your friends guitar cd is wonderful. I have been listening all this weekend. BTW give me a call at the office tomorrow sometime or email me your office number so I can call you and we can set up plans for the 18th. Paz on 8/1/01 5:15 AM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com at SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > Bob > > NP: Fareed Haque, "Woodstock" ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #332 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?