From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #327 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 327 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Subject: Re: njc: Beatles ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: what happened? NJC [colin ] Subject: america and me - njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc [colin ] Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC [colin ] Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc [colin ] Re: home decorating (NJC) [colin ] Re: home decorating (NJC) [colin ] Re: america and me - njc [colin ] vanity fair and joni ["Geronimo" ] RE: Jonatha conversion (NJC) - P.S. ["Marian" ] Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc ["hell" ] Re: NJC Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc [RoseMJoy@a] NJC Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.] Re: Mirren (njc) [Reuben3rd@aol.com] Re: And now for something completely different... NJC [Steve Polifka ] "The Word" [RoseMJoy@aol.com] farting in church - njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc [Jerry Notaro ] [Fwd: Re: "Ape"-alled njc] [Jason Maloney ] Re: [Fwd: Re: "Ape"-alled njc] [colin ] Joni's Satanic Influences [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's Satanic Influences [Don Rowe ] Re: [Fwd: Re: "Ape"-alled njc] ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Fw: Greetings, from CKUA; joni debut ["shane mattison" ] Re: Joni's Satanic Influences [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Joni's Satanic Influences [Don Rowe ] Joni Everfresh ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Jonatha conversion (NJC) - P.S. ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's Satanic Influences [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Joni's Satanic Influences ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Joni's Satanic Influences [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Jonatha conversion (NJC) - P.S. [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni Everfresh [jan gyn ] PP&M NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni's Satanic Influences [colin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:12:10 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: njc: Beatles Mark wrote "For some reason the old Beatles song 'And I Love Her' popped into my head yesterday. Anybody else like this song?" Me & I think I even have it on a 45 ... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:05:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: what happened? NJC FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/1/01 8:38:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > << wacker makes sense. weed wacker? what that?( and should there be an H > there? > like whacker?) >> > > Yes Colin, you're right there should be an "H" in there. I keep forgetting > that you have a much better spell-checker than I do :~) not at all-I know American words are different and often spelled different which is why I asked oif it should have an H and din't say it should have! It's a shame I don't have a typo corrector on my pc! - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:42:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: america and me - njc wally wrote "still, doesn't it seem as though americans believed that all of us would like to be like them? " Here is just one us citizens opinion: NO. But then in many ways I feel very alienated from much of the so called "American" culture. I don't understand why anyone would want to go to Las Vegas for a vacation & don't like malls, MacDonalds or most of those blockbuster movies. I don't like watching much TV either. Myabe its just me but I am not so sure that most citizens of the US think that other cultures want to be like them... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:20:10 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc > Anyway, we were remembering playing Holy Communion with Necco wafers as > children, I misread this this and thought your church used Necco wafers for the communion! I hated church when I was a child. Boring. Often in latin. Communion was even worse. Hated the wafer and didn't want anyone's fingers naer my mouth. I recall vividly once that whilst we were kneeling in line and waiting our turn, my younger brother fartedl oudly. Still find that very amusing. More so because of course one isn't supposed to laugh in church thereby making the likelyhood of a fit of the giggles greater. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:52:42 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Lucinda tonight NJC I don't get Leno so would love to hear about this from anyone who saw it. I went to hear her last night at The Sun Theatre in Anaheim. She was fabulous. Great band. Her songs & voice were wonderful. She was very low key, charming, charasmatic in a very hard to explain way. She played for almost 3 hours...came out for 4 encores!!!! It has been a very very long time since I have been at a concert with 4 encores. I took a friend who had never heard her music & she was blown away by Lucinda & her songs. Its only a month long tour...she plays San Diego tomorrow night...did anyone else see her this tour? It was a great night. Debra wrote "I just noticed in the tv listings that Lucinda Williams is the musical guest on Leno tonight. Has that been mentioned yet? If so, I missed it." ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:24:42 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC > which is ok except I try to not laugh at > swearing in movies damn is a swear word? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:15:24 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc > Oh, Colin! You've just burst another bubble for me! Well my bubble got burst too! I really found the chracter she played in PS very appealing. Tough and vulnerable, compassionate and loving and strong as well as sexy. I sure hop Ms Mirren is reading this as it appears I am saying the real Ms Mirren is not attractive or interesting, which ist the case-it's just she isn't Tennyson which is the charcater I ahd a crush on. They are making a new series by the way. I also believe the US is making a film of it(or has), without ms Mirren of course as she is far too ancient!!!! > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:12:16 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: home decorating (NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > It's making me feel kind of, ulp, nostalgic. When are > avocaco green kitchen appliances going to come back in > style? > they've in style here for a while now-along with bright yellow, blue, purple etc. Mine are white-or whatever colour they came in at the rpice I wanted to pay! I love my new Dyosn which is deep purple and bright green! Not a colour combo i would use in my knitwear but...... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:26:47 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: home decorating (NJC) > . > > Hell - absolutely dying for the day when she can own her own home, and paint > the walls/ceiling some colour that doesn't make every visitor say > "Ummmm......interesting colour scheme.......do you own this house?" is it a left over from the set of The Incredible Shrinking Woman?(Lily Tomlin version) > > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Hell's Personal Photo Page: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm > > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:59:25 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: america and me - njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > well. > i am one of the multi-minoritized on this list so i think i will speak. > > it is true that the us has been the ruling culture in the world for some > time. [why, the very fact that us people call themselves americans as if the > rest of the continent were somewhere else is quite revealing.] > > i consider the ''american'' influence on world affairs and most of all on > world cultural trends a sad, sad, sad thing -- a bore for us all, including > ''americans''. but that's just me and what do i know, what with my > third-world citizen status. if i were offered a green card, i would accept > it. hey. still, doesn't it seem as though americans believed that all of us > would like to be like them? how wrong can you be, my handsome and nike shod > imperialists: we would like to have what you have, that much is true, but be > like you? no, no, no, no, and no. we accept the fact that in every age there > has been a roman empire, blessed with force yet doomed to perish, but many > of us know better. I don't think all americans will think it is brilliant-like the poor and disenfranchised ect. The part i spent two weeks driving thru, New York State, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and a little of Connenticut was the most beautiful land I have seen. I also drove thru Quebec and Ontario. The biggest difference between the USA amnd Canada for me was the distinct change in atmosphere the minute I crossed into Canada. The 'threat' in the air disappeared. Felt very relaxed. i even spent time in the cities of Quebec, Montreal, Ottowa and Toronto. I was not troubled at all in any of these cities. felt safe. I crossed back over at Niagra and the oppressive feeling came back. Got lost trying to get out of Niagra town and did not find anybody that helpful. Trying to later get out of Buffalo was worse. People were niether polite or friendly but impatient. I stayed the last three days of my trip in West Lebanon in NH. I had a frigthening exerience of leaving my car to go walk in the woods(some way from West Lebanon) to find my car being 'gone over' by a truck load of guys, some with guns. I could see them but they couldn't see me so I did the only thing i could think of-I coughed very loudly to let them know I was coming back to my car. they left. later i was told they were just 'looking out for the neighboiurs as they could see this was a strangers car'. What fucking neighbours? I thought. I was in the middle of nowhere! Then the 50plus woman in the motel i satyed in started talkign to me about NH needing independence and how they should take up arms to achieve it! I checked to make sure I wasn't alseep or stoned. Everytime I stopped anywhere to eat, the diner would go quiet and people would stare at me. I still sat and ate, just didn;t take my time! The scariest time was the only time I drove at night, in Maine, way over east going toward Pembroke. It was VERY VERY dark and I was lost. i finally saw a garage with a shop attached. i stopped for petrol and went in and asked for directions or if they knew a oplace nearby i could stay. Well, it was like walking into the middle of a Stephen King novel. There were about 4-5 peopl int here talking to eachotehr. they stopped looked at me up and down and when i explained my predictament they looked at eachotehr and started to laugh and talk words I didn't get. i didn't get any help and left rather quickly as I felt I might become their dinner. The fact i was foreign, lost in the middle of a wilderness didn't seem to bother them. I drove on and it startred to snow heavily, visibilty became poor. At one point I was driving really slowly and heard this awful crunch under my car. I stopped and got out to see what it was. I was on ice which had cracked. In my headlights, i could see I had stopped just a few feet short of a precipice. I slowly backed up and contoinued on what looked like a road. I later came across a house on the side of the roiad and stopped in front of it to ask for driections. An old couple answered the door. they ahd evry right to be scared and watchful but they were not, or hid it well. They just told me to keep going in the direction i was going and I would come across a town. As i got back into my car, I realised I had driven across their garden as i was not on the road like I thought. Of course i did come across a town -hours later. After that night, I never drove in the dark again. I eventually found myself in Presque Isle where I stayed in a very cold motel. In the restuarant in the morning having breakfast, the waitress saw my English money when i opened my wallet to pay for my food. She asked what it was. i said they were pounds, the money we had in England. 'don't you use dollars?' she asked, astounded we had our own money. She then asked if I knew Diana-not that well I said but she was anear neighbour(which in mileage terms was very true). It was a real pleasure to see the look on her face. She was thrilled. Walking thru Presque Isle was very intimidating so i returned my car to find my water bottle on the passenger seat had frozen solid! I'd do the whole trip again-it was the most exciting and breathtaking journey I have ever taken and long to do it again. i'd do it in the cold again too-the snow and ice and frozen lakes and rivers were amazing and to watch icebergs floating down the St Lawrence was truly awesome. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 20:22:10 +1000 From: "Geronimo" Subject: vanity fair and joni Maybe someone else has mentioned this but according to Village Voice, sounds like Joni is going to be on the cover of the rock and roll Vanity Fair issue - along with Stevie Wonder and a lot of one named wonders cheers Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:01:20 +0200 From: "Marian" Subject: RE: Jonatha conversion (NJC) - P.S. People who have seen Jonatha live could say better how she achieves her sounds. I think she uses a pick most of the time, somehow managing to pick out individual tones along with strumming and percussion. There are some songs, like Love Song, that are entirely fingerpicked, and some, like Linger, that are entirely strummed, but most seem to be a combination of picking and strumming. Because I Told You So is a good example of the combination. Would love to hear from anyone who has seen Jonatha live about this topic. Marian marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 07:19:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC - --- hell wrote: It's a little more difficult to tell a > kid that the person > killing all those people in the movie isn't real, > when they can see these > "pretend" people on the news every night, and you > also have to seriously > warn them not to talk to strangers because they > might hurt them. > > It's only when the movies get "real" that the rating > becomes a serious > issue, IMO. > Some kids can deal with this better than others - I think it's a matter of really *knowing* you kids. You're quite right - I would NEVER let kids see a movie about serial killers and so on. They hear about stuff like that on the news and that's scary enough for them. But I know my own kids are pretty sensitive about a lot of this stuff, esp. my son, so I have to be careful what he sees and hears and to be sure to be there with him if he insists on watching something scary but IMO kind of borderline. He loved JP3 too (Note to Vince, I loved your post - it cracked me right up!) And my son knew all the dinosaur names at a very early age too. When I was a kid, once I found out that burglars were real, it scared the crap out of me because I figured, if burglars were real, then so must monsters and so on be real. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 23:27:14 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc Colin wrote: > I misread this this and thought your church used Necco wafers for the communion! > I hated church when I was a child. Boring. Often in latin. Communion was even > worse. Hated the wafer and didn't want anyone's fingers naer my mouth. I recall > vividly once that whilst we were kneeling in line and waiting our turn, my > younger brother fartedl oudly. Still find that very amusing. More so because of > course one isn't supposed to laugh in church thereby making the likelyhood of a > fit of the giggles greater. That reminds me of a story about my friend's 4-year-old nephew years ago. They (being Catholic) were sitting in Mass, in the middle of a fairly lengthy sermon, followed by a long period of silent prayer. My friend's nephew piped up at a particularly quiet moment (at the top of his voice), "God, this is boring!" Apparently most of the congregation had a very hard time keeping a straight face for the rest of the formalities, and my friend's brother and sister-in-law were rather embarassed! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 13:04:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc > "God, this is boring!" Apparently most of the congregation had a very hard > time keeping a straight face for the rest of the formalities, and my > friend's brother and sister-in-law were rather embarassed! young children can be brilliant before they are taught to be untruthful and not themselves. I would have laughed myself silly at that comment! > > > Hell > ____________________________ > "To have great poets, there must be > great audiences too." - Walt Whitman > > hell@ihug.co.nz > Hell's Personal Photo Page: > http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm > > Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: > http://www.nbls.co.nz - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:09:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc <> I've never heard that about the black ones...I'll have to do some research! I CAN tell you that Necco stands for New England Candy Co., but you probably already knew that! Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Polaroids Medley"...thanks, Catherine, this one's a total hoot!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:15:22 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: njc: Beatles <> Or a better question would be "who DOESN'T like it?" It's a gorgeous melody, and a simple yet very sincere heartfelt lyric. While I enjoy a record like The Beatles "1", I prefer to listen to the original records to hear the more obscure Beatles songs that I like as much if not more. Like: Mother Nature's Son Ask Me Why (not to be confused with "Tell Me Why") Girl and the list goes on... Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "The Dead of the Night", live '99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:17:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc <> Like they say, he who farts in church must sit in own pew! ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:55:08 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Necco Wafers, Murph's memory survives! Well Bob, assuming you remember how to log on to get your e-mail, it looks like your memory is still sharp as the proverbial tack. From the Necco wafers FAQ page: Q: How is the assortment of Necco Wafers in a package determined? A: Six hundred pound batches of each wafer flavor are made. The wafers are then mixed together and packaged. While the final distribution of wafers in a package is random, the flavors begin in equal quantities." So you were right! And should you want to celebrate with a roll of Necco's, they're readily available online! (Wonder how they would go with Malt Liquor?) ;~D Always glad to help a fellow Bob, Bob (aka "Mr. Necco) NP: Shawn, "Talk Around Town", '84 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:06:53 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Necco Wafers, Murph's memory survives! In a message dated 8/2/01 7:55:08 AM, SCJoniGuy writes: << Well Bob, assuming you remember how to log on to get your e-mail, it looks like your memory is still sharp as the proverbial tack. >> YES!!! I will call my friend and gloat as soon as I remember her phone number! Thanks, Bob. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 06:08:09 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Tapes Great find Catherine! I'm listening as we speak! Catherine Udall Turley wrote: > Is this old news? I don't remember it coming up on the list before, > but while checking out the download section on Amazon.com, I found this > song, "Joni Mitchell Tapes" by a group called SNFU, from their 1993 > album "Something Green and Leafy This Way Comes."Must you have this for > yourself? Follow this link to get it for free: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000572JZ/103-0323807-7329407 > - -- Phyliss mailto:pward@datacourse.com http://www.mylexxus.com/welcome.asp?site=goldenfig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:15:15 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc In a message dated 8/2/01 8:30:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > I've never heard that about the black ones...I'll have to do some research! > I CAN tell you that Necco stands for New England Candy Co., but you > probably already knew that! > > They also make those sweethearts conversation hearts at Valentines Day and MaryJanes rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:24:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc <> And you can even special order the candy hearts with whatever saying you want...but you have to buy 3800 which is the whole production run...maybe we can get some for a Jonifest that say "Joni Rules" or something! ;~) MaryJanes...there's another filling-pulling confection! I remember when I heard marijuana referred to as "Mary Jane", I thought about that candy. Wonder if Joni has a sweet tooth? She seemed pretty anxious to try out Rosie O'Donnell's mints! Bob, hopelessly trying to inject some Joni NP: Jimmy Webb w/Shawn Colvin, "Didn't We" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:42:02 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Mirren (njc) Wally wrote: >oh yes!!!!! big helen mirren fan here! why, the only reason i see greenaway >movies is to see mirren....is it something gay? I wonder...that would explain something, I guess :) She's fabulous even when its bad...anyone see "Teaching Mrs. Tingle". She chewed enough scenery to make Bette Davis proud. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 08:42:59 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: And now for something completely different... NJC I originally posted this privately, and now I'm 'compelled' to put it up for all to see... (For Debra...) Please come to Boston in the fall- time. Just beg dear Ashara , she's got lots of rooms You can sell your paintings on the beach there By Atty May's where I'll be playin' soon Please come to Boston, don't say no Girl, just come so we can meet. I said 'This ramblin' boy's gonna be around Think about that Topsfield town There's Joni gold and there ain't nobody, I say That doesn't want to meet you, Debra Shea...' Okay, I confess, I'm pushing the envelope here, but it's the thought, you know... :-D Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 14:45:22 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Brass Eye (Brits) NJC > If you haven't already read it, Charlotte Raven has a great take on Brass Eye > in her Guardian column. > http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4231111,00.html > > I am so proud of Channel 4 for town crying soceities woes in such a manner. I > suspect many others are to. Viva la calidad de Media Inglesa. > > Preet in Tower Hamlets > preetd@bigfoot.com > What a stupid article. In the context of a comedy show about paedophilia, the 30 second clip of Phil Collins isn't really the point. I presume the courts will eventually rule on whether Collins was damaged by the show or not. Chris Morris normally does brilliant send ups of tv news and celebrity culture, but this time he got it horribly wrong.. By disregarding the ugliness of sex abuse and the victim's feelings, Morris displayed the kind of arrogance he seeks to satirise in others. He probably sees himself as a kind of media terrorist, but really he's just another player in a tv ratings war. At least Mark Thomas (whom the article criticises) has a clear agenda - .leftist anti capitalist etc. With Chris Morris, it's not clear if he believes in anything. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:49:41 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Beatles In a message dated 02/08/01 13:31:07 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << <> Or a better question would be "who DOESN'T like it?" It's a gorgeous melody, and a simple yet very sincere heartfelt lyric. >> I've got a lovely cover of it by Esther Phillips, a top ten contender for best Beatles covers. Speaking of which, what the hell, here's a few more I love: Here, There & Everywhere - Emmylou Harris Hey Jude - Wilson Pickett Love Me Do - Sandie Shaw (makes a very simple song sound a bit mysterious) Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band - Jimi Hendrix (live) If You Leave - Shawn Colvin (she used to do this live, I don't think she's recorded it) And on and on... Azeem NP: England getting thrashed AGAIN! No disrespect, Hell, but roll on the Kiwis! At least we have a chance against them... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 09:51:39 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: RE: home decorating (NJC) Catherine mused: It's making me feel kind of, ulp, nostalgic. When are avocaco green kitchen appliances going to come back in style>> Catherine, come visit me! I'm moving into an apartment at the end of the month with a kitchen decorated ca. 1974. I think the theme was avacado explosion. (I'll have to see if I can borrow my mom's macrame owl...) Reuben Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 09:55:34 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Social Security Taxes / Privitization - NJC Marcel, you wrote: "The entire issue of privatisation is simple. Today the SSi tax is 7.5% of the payroll up to 84k (i think thats the cut off). The employer pays another 7.5%. thats 15% of incomes goes to ssi. If a person makes 40,000 that means that 6,000 per year is placed "in trust"; for that persons retirement income (theoretically). " Well, I do not have time to reply to your post in full - I will do so later. For now, I will say 1. The entire issue is far from simple. It is extremely complex. 2. The SS tax is 6.2% for employers and employees (total of 12.4%) up to $80,400. An additional 1.45% each (2.90% in total) goes to Medicare, but that is a separate program. The total FICA (Federal Insurance Contributions Act) tax is thus 7.65% + 7.65% for a total of 15.30 %. 3. The entire tax is not place in trust for a person's retirement. It never was intended or designed to do that. SS is not an advance-funded program by its nature (unlike private pension plans sponsored by corporations and state pension schemes, which are advance funded - which means that they are designed or required by law to be funded by contributions during the working years of each participant so that funds are there to pay for their retirement). On the contrary, it is a "pay as you go" system. The only reason there is a trust fund at all is that the demographic projections show that there will be fewer workers per retiree in the future - so, in order to keep projected tax rates level, a trust fund has emerged because current taxes exceed current benefit payments, whereas in future years taxes will be less than benefit payments, so we will have to tap into the trust fund. There is much, much more to this explanation, which I will try to explain later. For now, I trust you can see from your initial misimpressions above that it is not as simple as you might think. That is perhaps the biggest problem with dealing with this issue - there is an issue, but it may be too tough for the American people. It should not be, but as usual political rhetoric ( half truths ? Lies ? damned lies ? statistics ?) will probably block a clear and honest discussion. Not on this list, though !!!! Bob S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:19:02 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: under the corn with his joni tapes catherine told us about punkers' song about being buried with your joni tapes... i wrote her: neat stuff about the punk cover re joni tapes...must sound like an epitaph to a bunch of us i'd imagine... "yah, just bury him there under the corn with his joni tapes..." tried to listen but i could'nt get very far during my morning wake up...like the idea...would sound better as a kristofferson or john prine ode song: "he was a kellogg's rooster from the iowa soil twice born yah just bury him there with his joni tapes under his mother's fields of corn..." or some such thang... cheers CAT, shane - - Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Udall Turley" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 08:25:34 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: kris kristofferson and joni kris told joni to preserve something of herself during her emotional blue period, which she often recalls... maybe she listened to the advice in the more peaceful detachment i hear in hejira... but kris himself sang something like the following: " listenin' to joni mitchell's just like smokin' grass, and if you don't like hank williams, you can kiss my ass..." kris is better at preserving himself now than he used to be... no pain no gain, shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:17:29 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: "The Word" Jim Johanson has some exciting news about Joni www.jonimitchell.com rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:30:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: farting in church - njc how does the original saying go??? i've been trying to remember... ''he who farts in church...'' help please! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Agosto de 2001 09:17 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: NJC Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc <> Like they say, he who farts in church must sit in own pew! ;~D ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:26:31 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > IPlease settle a point we disagreed on, Bob. My friend said Necco wafers only > had one black wafer in every roll, but I seem to remember there being more > than one. Please tell me I'm right because my memory has been off too much > lately! I seem to remember no black in the regular roll, but you could buy all black rolls. I was never much for candy, I was more a huge tub of hot, buttered popcorn, but I did love Necco Wafers, and Pez! Jerry np: Dusty In Memphis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 10:34:28 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Rolf Harris (NJC) Randy Remote wrote: >So it depends on rarity, condition, and who it is. That scratched up >Rolf Harris record is frisbee material. Damn! "Sunarise" is one of the first records I ever bought. I guess I'll keep it for sentiment's sake. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:53:07 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: [Fwd: Re: "Ape"-alled njc] This didn't seem to go through first time........ Jason Maloney wrote: Hi folks, Long time no hear from me, I know - I've turned into a lurker it seems! (oh the shame of it).....but there are a few threads I felt I just had to briefly comment on. Catherine The Wise said, on exposing young children to all kinds of *unsuitable* films/videos : " I've noticed this too and I find it, oh what the heck, appalling as well. There's a reason why movies are rated PG or PG13 or Adult Accompaniment or whatever ratings are used from one country to the next. And yet, so many of my kids' friends have seen stuff even I wouldn't want to see. " In the UK, there's talk of the ratings system being abolished altogether, which rightly or wrongly, pretty much horrifies me. As a film freak, and someone who watches and reviews examples of every type/genre around both past and present - from Stuart Little to The Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and everything besides - any abolition of regulatory guidlines as to the suitability of a film's subject matter and content seems like yet another nail in the coffin of common sense, never mind sanity. Then again, several recent movies have baffled me with their rating, for instance the delightful Family Man with Nic Cage is a 15 certificate, yet give or take a few mild references to sexual relationships there is nothing that strikes me as warranting a rating higher than 12. There are other cases I've come across too, usually of the opposite nature, where the film perhaps demanded the higher certificate. Yet, despite these anomalies, the current system at least gives people an idea of what to expect, and oftentimes adults need to know for their own sakes as much as minors. It leads into censorship, one could say, but doing away with any form of ratings is surely not the way to go. Jimmy, I was laughing myself silly at your wonderful recollection of the multiplex experience. It's not like it used to be, that's for sure. I go about once every 2 years, and always leave swearing I'll never go back again. I don't know how I feel about the POTA remake, as the original is one of my all-time favourites. I hope they haven't tried to imitate it. Anne, I'm so saddened to hear of the bad news, but remain hopeful that things will be okay. You're clearly a very strong person, so I don't think that hope is misplaced. Azeem's nonplussed reaction to the mention of "Beyonce" was, if you'll forgive me Azeem, quite amusing, and the subsequent praise/dismissal of her and Destiny's Child's talents proves that it really does take all sorts! Me? I loved The Writing's On The Wall (especially Bug A Boo, what a track!), but the new stuff leaves me cold. In fact, worse than cold, I just don't get it, and the overtly in-your-face sexuality at the expense of the tunes they had before just seems a tad too far, attractive as the girls clearly are. Sass is fine, but you gotta have the songs to back it up, else it feels like a peep show or something! I continue to marvel at the rate of knots at which dear Colin continues to post (I was wondering what those numbers were myself!), marvel at Brenda's incredible knowledge of the music industry, and wish I had more to say about Joni's work these days. I'm lost in music almost more than ever once again, but too many of the acts I have been listening to would probably draw blank expressions.... Slipstreaming away, Jason. http://www.the-slipstream.co.uk > PS. Kudos to Debra. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 19:32:30 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: "Ape"-alled njc] > I continue to marvel at the rate of knots at which dear Colin continues > to post ( it goes in phases. you have been blessed recently. There are quite long periods where you have to make do without my input. I do try my best to keep them coming. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:23:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni's Satanic Influences Talk about funny websites! Except in this case they're serious... http://www.av1611.org/crocktst.html an excerpt... <> Bob, a Christian but please don't lump me in with these jerks NP: Bruce, "Light Of Day", Boston '99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:39:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences These are the folks Peter, Paul & Mary are talking about when they do their little stage bit demonstrating how the National Anthem (the American one, sorry!) is actually a drug song! Actually this site could come in handy for the orchestral big-band version of "Tax Free." Since Rod Steiger's no longer with us though, we could substitue his monologue with Chaz Palminteri reading sections from this website! ;-) Even though THEY are serious, I can still only manage to laugh. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 12:39:35 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: "Ape"-alled njc] Jason Maloney wrote: > I'm lost in music almost more than > ever once again, but too many of the acts I have been listening to would > probably draw blank expressions.... > Give it a try. I'd be curious to hear about anything that has someone lost in music more than ever! Brenda n.p.: Lemon Jelly - "A Tune for Jack" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:43:28 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's Satanic Influences oh my god!!! that's from the 1975 time magazine interview!!!! can you believe the sheer madness? wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Agosto de 2001 04:23 p.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: Joni's Satanic Influences Talk about funny websites! Except in this case they're serious... http://www.av1611.org/crocktst.html an excerpt... <> Bob, a Christian but please don't lump me in with these jerks NP: Bruce, "Light Of Day", Boston '99 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:52:37 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Fw: Greetings, from CKUA; joni debut disappointing response, i'm afraid from my enquiry re joni's so-called debut on ckua radio...implied, i take it, in his message is that there isn't a recording available...too bad... shane - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2001 1:07 PM Subject: Greetings, from CKUA > Hello Shane. > > Nice to hear from you. The Joni Mitchell reference was to her first radio > broadcast, although that was in the late 1950's or very early 1960's I > would guess and the details are lost in the mists of time. However, there > are enough old timers around to say that it actually happened. Wish I knew > more about it myself, but that's about it. All the best. > > Brian Dunsmore > Program Director > CKUA Radio ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 15:43:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences <> Uh-oh....you're on their list now! After all, ALL the clues are there: "Don", starts with the letter "D", just like "Devil"!! "Rowe", as in ROW your boat down the river Styx (more satanic rock) to the gates of HELL!!! Demon Don, I rebuke thee!! :~D Bob NP: Bruce, "Born To Run" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences (now njc) - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Demon Don, I rebuke thee!! :~D > > Bob Well you might not be alone in thinking me the "snake in the beautiful garden" ... I mean look at all the strife & discord I unleashed with my "Okay now I'm REALLY steamed" post! And besides, everybody knows I'm occasionally "possessed"! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:59:58 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences In a message dated 8/2/2001 2:35:54 PM Central Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > http://www.av1611.org/crocktst.html > > EWWWW! that was so scary! kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 13:08:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences Hey I went back to that site and intentionally answered all the questions wrong to see what would happen ... guess what? They're TRICK questions ... both the supposed Satanists and the supposed Christians BOTH do versions of each song. So they're really raggin' on their own bands ... What a hoot! Not to mention they managed to change Joni's name to "Mithchell" ... thanks for the grin! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Aug 2001 16:15:55 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Joni Everfresh In the New Faces section of the new issue of Rolling Stone they profile the new metal band Alien Ant Farm. In the top five album section bandleader Dryden Mitchell names, along with The White Album (I like them, already) Blue: This album is the greatest. I'd heard about it my whole life, and finally I bought it when we were on tour with Orgy. When we were coming home, I heard "California," and I started weeping. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 12:44:20 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Jonatha conversion (NJC) - P.S. Hi Marian, I've seen her live 4 times but mostly didn't pay attention as to when she was using a pick (too mesmerized for the details!) However, I distinctly remember one time that she was telling a little funny story about all her picks and was holding them up and stuff. I think it was at the concert at Borders that Lindsay and I saw last winter. She also said her favorite pick was the one Paz gave her (just kidding ;-) I've always been a pickless player myself because of my little hands and fingers, but I would like to master the pick because it definitely gives another dimension to the playing. I hope you can see her live one day, Marian. As I always say - seeing her live is when your mind will really be blown. I have rarely seen such a combination of perfection and total originally at the same time. Kakki > People who have seen Jonatha live could say better how she achieves her > sounds. I think she uses a pick most of the time, somehow managing to pick > out individual tones along with strumming and percussion. There are some > songs, like Love Song, that are entirely fingerpicked, and some, like > Linger, that are entirely strummed, but most seem to be a combination of > picking and strumming. Because I Told You So is a good example of the > combination. Would love to hear from anyone who has seen Jonatha live about > this topic. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:13:24 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences In a message dated 8/2/01 4:02:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > oh my god!!! that's from the 1975 time magazine interview!!!! can you > believe the sheer madness? > Yes, I can. The article is in our database http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/741216time.cfm rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 17:19:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's Satanic Influences which one is in your database, rose? the satanic one too? i have the 1975 time magazine, the object itself. if you need it for your database i can send you copies. wallyK ----Mensaje original----- De: RoseMJoy@aol.com [mailto:RoseMJoy@aol.com] Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Agosto de 2001 05:13 p.m. Para: wallykai@fibertel.com.ar; SCJoniGuy@aol.com CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences In a message dated 8/2/01 4:02:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: oh my god!!! that's from the 1975 time magazine interview!!!! can you believe the sheer madness? Yes, I can. The article is in our database http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/741216time.cfm rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:21:40 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences In a message dated 8/2/01 4:18:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > The one about her Art muse, yes it's in the JMDL database dated 12/16/74 rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:28:54 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonatha conversion (NJC) - P.S. In a message dated 8/2/01 4:25:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > I've always been a pickless > player myself because of my little hands and fingers, but I would like to > master the pick because it definitely gives another dimension to the > It's not an easy thing to master. I'm always getting my knuckles smacked by instructor for not holding it correctly. Well, not really, but he's always correcting me. Some people use a thumb pick. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 14:11:46 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: Joni Everfresh At 04:15 PM 8/3/01 -0400, Gerald A. Notaro wrote: >In the New Faces section of the new issue of Rolling Stone they profile >the new metal band Alien Ant Farm. In the top five album section >bandleader Dryden Mitchell names, along with The White Album (I like >them, already) Blue: This album is the greatest. I'd heard about it my >whole life, and finally I bought it when we were on tour with Orgy. When >we were coming home, I heard "California," and I started weeping. > >Jerry I saw Alien Ant Farm just a month or so ago at the Van's 'Warped Tour' here in SF. They were pretty good. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 17:15:07 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: PP&M NJC Don Rowe wrote: > These are the folks Peter, Paul & Mary are talking > about when they do their little stage bit > demonstrating how the National Anthem (the American > one, sorry!) is actually a drug song! > And all I remember of that is "O say can you "c" with c representing cocaine and "by the dawn's early light" the best time to do... whatever. Does anyone remember how the whole thing actually goes? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 22:46:20 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Joni's Satanic Influences Just saw the site. Nutters and not Christian. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Talk about funny websites! Except in this case they're serious... > > http://www.av1611.org/crocktst.html > > an excerpt... > > <> > > Bob, a Christian but please don't lump me in with these jerks > > NP: Bruce, "Light Of Day", Boston '99 - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #327 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?