From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #326 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, August 2 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 326 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Mirren (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: home decorating (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc ["hell" ] Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: was Helen Mirren, now Patricia Cornwell njc ["hell" ] RE: Jonatha conversion [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC ["hell" ] Re: some words about Coyote [Coyote4Joni@aol.com] Lots of Joni late Tuesday night on WOMR ["janine sherman" ] [none] ["Thom Byrd" ] RE: ["Wally Kairuz" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:57:42 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mirren (njc) > > Morga(i)n(e) is certainly portrayed differently in > > 'The Mists of > > Avalon'. It took me a long time to get around to > > this one but I'm > > thoroughly enjoying it. Fascinating reinvention of > > the Arthurian > > legends. > > > > Morgan is portrayed differently in just about every > version of the Arthur tales I've read or seen in film. > Sometimes she's a beautiful temptress with an evil > heart, sometimes a gluttonous creature who seduces men > by feeding them (I think of Circe luring men and then > turning them into swine), sometimes she's an ugly hag. > I can't get enough of the Arthurian stuff. Mirren as > Morgan in Excalibur was the best part of the film IMO > - the part I most remember at any rate. In 'The Mists of Avalon' she is the protagonist and a sympathetic character, more or less caught in a web woven by circumstance and the power struggle between two religions - the old Celtic pagan/goddess tradition and the Christian religion brought to Britain by the Romans. She is portrayed as very real and not as a witch or sorceress. The central characters in this novel are the women and it makes for a very imaginative retelling of the Camelot story from a very different perspective. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 15:59:57 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: home decorating (NJC) Catherine wrote: > http://www.lileks.com/institute/interiors/bhg/index.html > It's making me feel kind of, ulp, nostalgic. When are > avocaco green kitchen appliances going to come back in > style? You'd love the house I'm renting. The overhead beams in the living room have been painted avocado-green - obviously to match the lemon-yellow walls. The carpet is avocado/jungle-green flecks, and the stove in the (open) kitchen is mustard-yellow - as are two of the walls, obviously to match the other two which are a creamy-yellow, and the cupboards which (again) are kind of a grey/avocado-green. The walls of the bathroom are lime-green, and the deck has been painted army-green. Of course, in order to make the most of this visual extravaganza, I've ensured that my lounge suite (not rented but mine) is a deep crimson red. The fridge/freezer is boring old white though...... Hell - absolutely dying for the day when she can own her own home, and paint the walls/ceiling some colour that doesn't make every visitor say "Ummmm......interesting colour scheme.......do you own this house?" ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:04:44 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc Jimmy wrote: > >>The movie was okay, and the makeup on "POTA-2001" was very good. >> To which Kerry replied: > I agree and I hardly ever notice make-up!!!! ;>) Nor do I normally, but you can't really miss it with these films! I have to admit, I love the POTA (sorry, Catherine) series. So much that I bought the box-set of all 5 movies (warning - don't bother with the last two, and even the third is pushing it). But one of the best things is a short "documentary" at the end of the first tape, showing the making of the movie, including the different stages of make-up. Most of the actors spent 2 or 3 hours every day getting their make-up applied. And those that smoked (most of them, it seems) were issued with very long cigarette holders, so they could reach their mouths without messing up their make-up! They also had very runny food through straws for the entire day of filming. I imagine you would get very sick of that, very quickly. The things people do for their art..... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:13:11 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc About cinema food, Catherine said, >>>> Being a Puritan at heart, I've never understood why people feel the need to stuff their faces in the dark while watching TV or movies. >>>> My favorite line about cinema snacks: >>At least they tip you off to the idea that the snacks are expensive! Sure! They put the Milk Duds in a _jewelry case_. (Guy on a date, leaning on the glass countertop)_> "Hey, look at THAT dud, honey! That's gotta be 8 carats, at least!" Quite chipper today, thank you..... Lama ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:18:09 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: "Ape"-alled njc Azeem wrote: > Hmm, that may be true, though I have another, less admirable recollection of > the certification of Jurassic Park. A lot of people noted that it was a > pretty scary film given that it was rated PG in this country. Turns out that > the British Board of Film Certification had decided on a 12 rating, and > Spielberg (or his "people") persuaded them to change it to a PG and add an > extra warning for parents that it "may be unsuitable for young children" or > words to that effect. Basically, they bent the rules because it was the most > powerful man in Hollywood. I thought it sucked. I also thought the film > sucked. Still, my view clearly didn't prevail... Well, I didn't know about that. This was an interview I saw with him ages ago on 20/20, I think (maybe 60 Minutes). He was fairly forthcoming about his views on the rating of movies, but did say that by the time a movie gets to other countries, etc. he doesn't have any influence over what kind of rating it gets. I don't know what it had in the US - maybe it was PG there as well - but I know his kids didn't get to see it! > BTW, I had a look at the NBL site - great pics! Glad you liked it. Some of the photos should probably have a "R" rating as well. There are a couple of team photos that leave little to the imagination. But bear in mind that these were taken shortly after the "John Hopoate" incident in Australia. The Aussies/Kiwis on-list will know what this is about, but for the others, I'll try and explain it so that this post doesn't need an R rating. He is rugby league player who was banned from playing because he was a little over-enthusiastic in his tackling, and was inserting a particular part of his hand into an area that his opposition found a little painful..... The very "young" minds in the NBLs thought this was very funny. Very childish. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:26:13 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: was Helen Mirren, now Patricia Cornwell njc Kerry wrote: > I've written this before (maybe to Hell), but I had the same experience with > Patricial Cornwell. I saw her on one of the morning talk shows and was very > disappointed. I'll just stick to drooling over her pictures on book covers. > :>) By the way, I just found out that there will be a new series this fall > (on NBC?) about a female M.E. Well, maybe she was having a bad day? And I must say, she looks very different in some of those photos to how she looks in real life (not that any of them are bad, you understand)! Speaking of Patricia Cornwell, I watched a fascinating documentary over here the other day about the Body Farm. For those non-Cornwell fans, that's the research centre in the US where they leave dead human bodies in various conditions to study the effects of decomposition, so they can learn more about establishing times of death etc. Patricia Cornwell featured in the program, and I never realised it, but it was she that "christened" the place "The Body Farm" in her book of the same name. There were some pretty amazing cases solved using research from the facility. Pretty gruesome in some cases. By the way, PC came across exactly as I expected (deep sigh)...... Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 06:36:10 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Jonatha conversion On 31 July 2001 09:15, CarltonCT@aol.com [SMTP:CarltonCT@aol.com] wrote: > Both Kakki and Marian told me to check out Jonatha Brooke Live which I > hesitated to do because her most recent album "Steady Pull" did not grab me. > Live, however, has been planted in my head and is growing like Jack's bean > stalk. I can't wait to get in my car and listen to it. Glad to hear you're enjoying her music. I quite like Plumb, Ten Cent Wings and Grace in Gravity, too. > Marian, are tabs for Jonatha posted on the net? And is she using a pick or > her fingers? Her percussive style is very distinctive. I have a collection of Jonatha tabs on my personal page in JMDL: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm I haven't added anything new in awhile but there's quite a bit there to choose from, including most of the LIVE songs and some from Steady Pull. I welcome any additions from other guitarists who have been learning her music. Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 16:41:00 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC (the Rev) Vince wrote: > So Jurassic Park 3 "dinosaur eating people" rating is a dismal, > horrible, 2 - only 2 people get eaten and that is early on and just when > you are thinking that a 3rd person gets eaten, a hokey and contrived > miracle rescue happens somehow that we never did figure out. I really don't have much of a problem with kids seeing this kind of movie, in general. It's pretty easy to explain to a kid that dinosaurs used to live here millions of years ago, and this was probably how they acted. Many of them were carnivorous, and so people would have been food to them, just as much as a cow, or a goat. I've also yet to meet a small boy in NZ who didn't go through the "dinosaur" stage. My nephew had it from the age of 3 through to about 5. He knew the full scientific name of every dinosaur that ever walked the planet, and had no hesitation in correcting you if you got it wrong! He even nicknamed his one-year-old (rather "healthy") sister diplodo-baby. A friend of my sister also told a great story about taking his 2-year-son to an exhibit and saying "Look at the brontosaurus!" to which his son replied very loudly (with huge eye-rolling) "Ohhhhhhhhh (sighing), that's not a brontosaurus, it's a diplodocus". But that's very different from a movie about a serial killer or a gang member, etc. It's a little more difficult to tell a kid that the person killing all those people in the movie isn't real, when they can see these "pretend" people on the news every night, and you also have to seriously warn them not to talk to strangers because they might hurt them. It's only when the movies get "real" that the rating becomes a serious issue, IMO. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:43:07 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Re: some words about Coyote In a message dated 07/30/2001 3:06:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pholden@iprimus.ca writes: << He always wants it both ways Is he like us or are we like him. >> No comment. No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre (although now in Austin) Hollywood, CA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 00:54:04 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: Lots of Joni late Tuesday night on WOMR http://www.womr.org/homepage.html John Perrone's Joni (midnight - 3 AM) 3 hour show last night was great. I was able to stay focused for the first 2 hours and then my need for sleep took over. He played a little something from all of her albums including Two Grey Rooms, Paprika Plains ,and (good, kitty kitty.. )Taming the Tiger. I was amazed at the sound quality coming through my computer. He included covers of her songs; one by some members of the Supremes that I had not heard. He also played Bonnie Raitt's cover of Song about the Midway and Janet Jackson and Q-tip's "Joni Mitchell Never Lies " started the program out. He seemed to have a good bit of knowledge about her and took requests. There is a "John" in Montana ( Kudos to you) that made a slew of them. Great listening and wonderful to know that there are some cerebral DJ's that appreciate her genius. Thanks, John. If anybody heard the whole thing, please e-mail me with the remaining selections he chose to play between 2 and 3 AM. Thanks. I join the ranks of the July birthdays, as well, July 21, on the cusp of Cancer and Leo. Counting down to Toronto. Best to all, Janine NP: JM Hissing Demos ( Thanks, Bob) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:15:53 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: intuition, consciousness i have been struck by how often joni mitchell has mentioned that it was her intuition, not her intellect, which helped her enter many creative processes...how it can open up to her on a very ordinary trip or task... this is described succinctly by einstein: The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition or what you will, and the solution comes to you and you don't know how or why. - Albert Einstein let it be, shane ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:17:27 -0400 From: "Thom Byrd" Subject: [none] i thought it was thom byrd that called marcel a bitch. i'll look into**** No need to* You are quite right*I called marcel the bitch* (*~*)thom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2001 03:41:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: so there! everything's clear now. thank you thom. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Thom Byrd Enviado el: Jueves, 02 de Agosto de 2001 02:17 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: i thought it was thom byrd that called marcel a bitch. i'll look into**** No need to* You are quite right*I called marcel the bitch* (*~*)thom _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #326 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?