From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #325 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, August 1 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 325 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Social Security Taxes / Privitization - NJC [dsk ] Re: njc: "Judy's and my hit" and 45's and Australia [Randy Remote ] Mirren (njc) [Steve Dulson ] An American List (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: Beyonce njc [Catherine McKay ] Give Peace a Chance NJC [pyramus@lineone.net] Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc [Catherine McKay ] Books & Sorrow NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: what happened? NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: Subject: Re: some news ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Burning Man [Richard Goldman ] Re: What happened? NJC The end ["Kakki" ] RE: What happened? NJC The end ["Wally Kairuz" ] Lucinda tonight NJC [dsk ] Re: Subject: Re: what happened? NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni Mitchell Tapes [Catherine Udall Turley ] Re: "Ape"-alled njc [colin ] Re: what happened? NJC [colin ] Re: njc: Beatles ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: what happened? NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] america and me - njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Social Security Taxes / Privitization - NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Helen Mirren njc ["kerry" ] Re: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) [Bruyere ] discussions [was Social Security...] NJC [dsk ] Re: njc: "Judy's and my hit" and 45's and Australia [Bruyere ] Re: JMDL as an American list (njc) [Bruyere ] Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc [Catherine McKay ] was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: What happened? NJC The end [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: "Ape"-alled njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Mirren (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Re: What happened? Now Irish content NJC ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:17:11 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Social Security Taxes / Privitization - NJC Kakki wrote: > An honest answer, but it makes me sad that you lump all Republicans in > together. They really are not a one-note, one agenda party There's no reason for sadness here. I realize it's not as simple as Republicans all being rich and thinking exactly the same on all issues, and Democrats all being poor and having identical opinions. Of course not. When I talk about the parties, I'm not thinking of individuals, but about the power structure and about the different underlying philosophies regarding the role of government. That difference is especially obvious now that the conservative Republicans are in power. The moderate formerly-Republican Senator Jeffords leaving the Republican party is proof of the power the conservatives now have. He left the party because he was threatened by Dubya and his cronies with lack of financial support from the party if he did not vote for the Republican agenda, ON EVERY ISSUE, and all the moderates are being threatened and controlled in the same way. So, these days, there's not a very effective moderate Republican voice. The idea of conservative Republicans shaping the future of American life, including SS, is scary. It's way too limited a view. I woke up this morning with the thought that I don't want to write anymore on the jonilist about politics. It gets into offshoots like Social Security, which probably isn't of any interest to most Americans and is so U.S.-centric it must be annoying to all the non-Americans on the list, so even though I have strong feelings about politics, it seems out of place to talk about it here. (I wonder what dream gave me that conclusion? Good thing I don't remember.) Plus, although not all of the unwanted emails I've received have been about my political views, many of them are so maybe not talking about the subject here will lessen that problem (if the public posting doesn't change the situation). So, I'm going to try to keep quiet on political topics, unless it's in response to something Joni's said or done. Anyway, that's my resolve for today. Debra Shea NP: The Pogues, Summer in Siam. Boy, I really like this guy's world-weary voice. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:20:16 +0100 From: "Preet" Subject: Re: Brass Eye (Brits) NJC If you haven't already read it, Charlotte Raven has a great take on Brass Eye in her Guardian column. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0,4273,4231111,00.html I am so proud of Channel 4 for town crying soceities woes in such a manner. I suspect many others are to. Viva la calidad de Media Inglesa. Preet in Tower Hamlets preetd@bigfoot.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 12:29:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: njc: "Judy's and my hit" and 45's and Australia Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > My question is, are old 45's worth anything? Not really, if they are typical, worn, scratch records. If they are in excellent shape, with original picture sleeves they are probably worth a few dollars. A check of Beatles 45's on ebay showed a range of $184.00 for an original German pressing of "My Bonnie" in original (non pic) sleeve (and not in wonderful shape, but rare) to $1.00 for "Come Together/ Something" on Apple in fairly good shape, original black Apple sleeve. So it depends on rarity, condition, and who it is. That scratched up Rolf Harris record is frisbee material. And if they are not worth much, why would a charity want them? My advice is to pick out the good ones, find someone with a turntable, and ask them to trade you for a tape of them. Unless, of course, there is something valuble there. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 15:44:39 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: JMDL as an American list (njc) Robert Holliston wrote: > But all of the arguments revolved around American politics, upon which I, as > a Canadian, feel I have no right to comment. Hi Roberto, I can understand you not wanting to know the nitty-gritty of American politics. (Somehow that very idea must have gotten into one of my dreams... all the way from the western edge of the continent. Amazing!) The latest skirmish didn't have anything to do with politics, though, and didn't involve Kakki at all and has been years in the making, and if you didn't read everything about it (and that seems to be the case), that's probably a very good thing. > Our opinion isn't valued here on the list. It may seem that way, but I for one am very curious about how this country is viewed by the rest of the world. It's one of the great things about traveling, and in lieu of that wonderful activity, reading what people around the world think about anything is an appreciated substitute. And, on another subject, I saw Follies the night before it closed since you recommended it so highly. What a fantastic show! I was so glad I'd gone, and that I'd been lucky enough to have a brief inspiring conversation with you about it when you were here in NY. Debra Shea NP: Richard Thompson, live in Kentish Town, London, 1991, another gift from Catherine, the very generous music-sharing angel. This is a great recording! I love the song with Shawn Colvin, and once again the label and cover are really well done. Thanks so much! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:10:08 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Mirren (njc) Wally wrote: >oh yes!!!!! big helen mirren fan here! why, the only reason i see greenaway >movies is to see mirren....is it something gay? Oh, no, not exclusively! (Big wink!) Perhaps I'll get out my copy of "Cook, Thief, etc." tonight. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 13:24:27 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: An American List (NJC) Roberto wrote: >ps. A few months ago I had the great pleasure of meeting Steve Dulson (Happy >Birthday, Steve!!). He'll probably disapprove of what I'm doing here - >intervening in a political thread - but something tells me I'll have his >support. Roberto, I suspect that you'd have my support in just about anything you did. It confuses and saddens me that so many intelligent people, many of whom I know and admire, would choose to discuss (the big three) politics, religion or sexuality in this forum. How many times have we seen the hurt feelings, people leaving the list? Why do you put your- selves through it? Like you, Roberto, I have been reading and deleting - and NOT reading and deleting - a lot lately. No, I don't think an American list is what we need, and I am NOT advocating censorship of any kind, but I wish my fellow jmdlers would be aware of what they are doing when they start, or prolong, these kind of threads. Your friend, - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 17:40:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Beyonce njc - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Beyonce co-wrote and co-produced Destiny's smash > album. > Maybe you don't like their style of music, but that > doesn't mean > there is no talent there. The three of them do some > nice 3 part > harmonies, too. Yeah, but isn't her dad a record company exec or something along those lines? Not to say that she's without talent (though it's not my taste) but there are probably plenty of people who... oh, never mind. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:55:39 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: Give Peace a Chance NJC Come on guys. This list is so good when we play fair. I found an olde English poem by an obscure northern poet. I've updated it for the noughties. Give Peace a Chance 2001 (Slight Return) 2 1234 Everybody's talkin' 'bout Racism Faceism Sexism Ageism Thinism Fatism This ism That ism ..ism..ism..ism All we are singing is give peace a chance All we are singing is give peace a chance Everybody's talkin' 'bout Northern Ireland Taiwan Island Chinese Torture Serbian Slaughter Five year plan Steely Dan Afghanistan Humanity in Man All we are singing is give peace a chance All we are singing is give peace a chance Everybody's talkin' 'bout Conversations Revelations Adulation Fabrication Fornication Replication Race relations Battle Stations Mega-complications All we are singing is give peace a chance All we are singing is give peace a chance Everybody's talkin' 'bout Madge & Whitney Kurt & Britney Debt reduction World production Evolution Earth pollution Warring factions Covert actions Meaningless retractions All we are singing is give peace a chance. All we are singing is give peace a chance .............. ad infinitum peace pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:10:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc - --- FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > There have > been so many good movies > made in the past twenty-something years. So why did > I at age 45 decide to > make my first movie theater experience since > "Blazing Saddles" go to > "POTA-2001"? (I did that just to make Catherine > pissed, since I know she > hates acronyms LOL, oops there's another one) > You're right - it did piss me *off*, but you redeemed yourself by explaining it in your next paragraph. > I left work early today to see "Planet of the > Apes-2001", since a friend had > begged me to go. I take great pride in the fact that I have NEVER seen a Planet of the Apes movie EVER and I don't plan on changing that now just because of Tim Burton (even tho' I like most of his stuff, except Batman). All I can say is, from the trailers, the male apes look like APES, but the females look like funny-looking but kind of cute women to me - what's up with that? > I couldn't believe that prices were $7.50 !!!!! I > couldn't even use my old > student I.D. card. I wanted to watch the movie, not > *buy* it! Appalling isn't it (appalling seems to be my word of the week). It's a bit more up here in Canada due to exchange rates. > They have "stadium" > seating. [...] To my surprise, the seats were > EXTREMELY comfortable, and I > learned what they meant by stadium seating. You're right - they are comfortable and you don't need to worry (much) about who sits in front of you - you could probably see quite well even if Marge Simpson planted her blue head in front of you! Now, if only Marge would shut up and stop providing a running commentary to Homer about everything that's going on, while Bart and Lisa throw popcorn at each other. >What??? They don't have > smoking sections anymore??? Oh > well, I just ate one to satisfy my addiction. What? You brought your own snacks? Naughty, naughty - -they practically do full cavity searches up here in Toronto just to make sure you *don't bring your own food* - if you want to eat, just plunk down $8.50 for enough popcorn to feed the starving millions and a drink big enough to guarantee you won't be able to sit through the entire movie without going at least once for a pee. [...]> > Yes, a family of 5 were > sitting right behind us with the oldest child being > around 12. The problem > was the youngest child, about 2yrs old started > crying. HA! and you said you WEREN'T going to talk about the PG thing - there are several reasons why they use these ratings, y'know (not that it means anything - the kids wouldn't have been there without the parents). > I went to the "disco-like-lobby", and > there were no jujubees, > goobers, raisonettes, or good-n-plenty's. There was > nothing at the snack bar > that appealed to me. I begged the snack counter > girl to make me a > Cosmopolitan or something. NO GO!!! I guess that's > why they don't play the > old cartoon in the theater "Let's all go to the > lobby, let's all go to the > lobby, to get ourselves a treat." What the heck DO they have where you are? Let me tell you, in some of the theatres here, not only do they have the usual popcorn and sody pop (as described above); they also have humungo chocolate bars (priced at 2-3x what they would cost if you purchased it outside the theatre and snuck it in under your coat or under your shirt, risking the full cavity search just because... In some they have cappuccino, gourmet jelly beans, tacos with melted plastic, I mean cheese, on them - just about anything guaranteed to clog your arteries and lighten the load in your wallet at the same time. Oh yeah, the snacks inevitably cost MORE than the movie itself. Being a Puritan at heart, I've never understood why people feel the need to stuff their faces in the dark while watching TV or movies. I find it kind of gross. I prefer to pay attention to my food while I'm eating it and I'm too cheap to pay the high prices. I always bitch about it quite loudly whenever I DO go to the movies, no matter how much the kids whine - I tell them, "You want food? Wait for supper!" Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:00:03 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Books & Sorrow NJC John, Thank you for letting us know about this book. I just loved Brautigan's books & have been thinking that I need to read them again after all these years (decades)...I didn't know about the book by his daughter... John wrote: A comment on two recent threads: Sorrow and Books! I have just finished reading a beautiful and very moving book about a daughter coming to terms with the suicide of her father. "You Cant Catch Death" is by Ianthe Brautigan, the daughter of the once very popular American writer Richard Brautigan who ended his life by suicide in 1984. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:10:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: what happened? NJC didn't get that post & tried to ignore it as too let the flames die down...so now for the public record I would like to say that Debra I love your posts!!!!! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:10:20 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Subject: Re: some news Anne, thank you for letting us know...I am sorry to hear this but will hold you in my thoughts & prayers for complete & speedy healing 100% I have a friend who just beat this disease & I know you can... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:14:27 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL as an American list (njc) I actually agree with everything you have said Roberto. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:35:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc << I take great pride in the fact that I have NEVER seen a Planet of the Apes movie EVER>> Well, *I* take great pride in saying that me & my friend Frankie Marchisello went to "Monkey Mania" back in 1970-something, where we saw ALL the original POTA's! We even took in grocery bags full of snacks! It totally ruled! And to justify how cool that was, one of the coolest bands out there, They Might Be Giants, perform ALL of the POTA theme songs live on their live CD! << What? You brought your own snacks? Naughty, naughty -they practically do full cavity searches up here in Toronto just to make sure you *don't bring your own food* >> While I'd love a good cavity search, I too smuggle in a roll of Necco wafers when I go to the movies. Cost - 50 cents, and they last the whole movie long! (Hey big boy, is that a roll of Necco's in your pocket or are ya' just glad to see me?) :~D << I prefer to pay attention to my food while I'm eating it >> Well, Catherine, Milk Duds have never really demanded a lot of attention from me...unless they pull out a filling! Shit! Bob, swinging his arms like a primate ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:57:03 -0700 From: Richard Goldman Subject: Burning Man Any JMDL'rs going to Burning Man 2001 this year? The Playa is calling . . . I'll be a newbie! Email me . . .so we can connect up! Richard in San Francisco richard2sf@earthlink.net ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 15:36:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What happened? NJC The end Debra, I sent in my 2 cents on this to the list yesterday but for some reason it never posted (Wally K was copied so maybe he received it). I know it might sound strange and it's probably that Irish part of me that sometimes looks through rose-colored glasses, but I also thought that the out of left field post from Thom was directed at Marcel and not you. Nothing against Marcel, but I could not imagine Thom or anyone calling you a bitch. Thom's previously posts had been pretty gentle and it just didn't add up. I though he was trying in his own way to give you support. I do think Thom should have stepped up and answered for himself promptly after it appeared, especially after you asked him publically for an explanation. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:31:05 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What happened? NJC The end yes, i did get your post kaks. i think it didn't post on the list, though, because i have only one copy. wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki Enviado el: Miircoles, 01 de Agosto de 2001 07:36 p.m. Para: dsk; joni@smoe.org CC: RobSher50@aol.com; colin@tantra-apso.com Asunto: Re: What happened? NJC The end Debra, I sent in my 2 cents on this to the list yesterday but for some reason it never posted (Wally K was copied so maybe he received it). Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 19:47:28 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Lucinda tonight NJC I just noticed in the tv listings that Lucinda Williams is the musical guest on Leno tonight. Has that been mentioned yet? If so, I missed it. Debra Shea, looking forward to hearing a song from Essence, and about to look for a tape to use ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:42:05 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: what happened? NJC In a message dated 8/1/01 6:45:10 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > didn't get that post & tried to ignore it as too let the flames die > down...so now for the public record I would like to say that Debra I love > your posts!!!!! > > me too Debra and please come to Boston ;0) I promise I won't smoke you out of the car rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 19:42:57 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc I previously wrote about my "movie" experience: << The problem > was the youngest child, about 2yrs old started > crying. > and Catherine sayeth: < HA! and you said you WEREN'T going to talk about the PG thing - there are several reasons why they use these ratings, y'know (not that it means anything - the kids wouldn't have been there without the parents).> It had nothing to do with the rating PG, G, X or XXX. The child who sat behind me, or any child that young has no business (IMO) in a movie theater. The child was just behaving as most children that age behave. He was bored and wanted attention. He could have cared less if they were showing serial killers on the screen or if it was Linda Lovelace sucking on Bob Muller's Necco wafers :~) The problem was that the parent's IMO couldn't or didn't want to get a baby sitter. < I've never understood why people feel the need to stuff their faces in the dark while watching TV or movies. I find it kind of gross.> Yes, Yes, Yes!!!!! The worse part of my *virgin* movie theater experience was the father sitting behind me. The movie "POTA" :~) was very loud, yet the surround sound couldn't possibly compete with the ENDLESS BOX OF FRICKIN POPCORN the man behind me kept stuffing his face with. I think his crying baby had better manners than he did! To quote Lily Tomlin "Why can't people like that just stay home?" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 17:04:06 +0000 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Joni Mitchell Tapes Is this old news? I don't remember it coming up on the list before, but while checking out the download section on Amazon.com, I found this song, "Joni Mitchell Tapes" by a group called SNFU, from their 1993 album "Something Green and Leafy This Way Comes." Have to admit that I had not heard of SNFU before, but in checking them out, I've learned that they are an Alternative/Punk band, and were influential upon such groups as NOFX and Green Day. By way of summary, it is the sad story of a poor soul who buys it while listening to Joni in his '67 Chevy. And of course he is buried in a cornfield with his Joni tapes. The song ends with this oh-so-true refrain: Can't separate a man and his Joni tapes Jo-ni Mitchell tapes Cant's separate a man and his Joni tapes Jo-ni Mitchell tapes Hey hey! Now how can you resist this? Its a Joni Punk Death anthem! Whips "Tell Laura I Love Her" with a stick! Must you have this for yourself? Follow this link to get it for free: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000572JZ/103-0323807-7329407 Catherine T., who is not nearly as old as this post may make her sound. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:04:57 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: what happened? NJC I was going to stay completely out of this whole thing, but since I'm in one of those moods I'm going add my 2 cents! Knowing that Marcel lives in San Francisco and that he spent 20 years confined to Alcatraz, I thought the post was talking about him being a *prison bitch*. He has sent me some private emails and signed it "Weed Wacker" which I thought was his prison name :~) (YOU PEOPLE BETTER KNOW THAT I'M KIDDING!!!!) I have the utmost respect for all parties concerned. Jimmy (AKA Wish Bone) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:12:28 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: "Ape"-alled njc In a message dated 01/08/01 11:13:34 GMT Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << I was heartened somewhat by comments by two prominent people in the movie business. Steven Spielberg said that his kids were really mad at him for making Jurassic Park age-rated, because they were too young to go - and he stuck to his word, and they didn't get to see it until they were old enough. >> Hmm, that may be true, though I have another, less admirable recollection of the certification of Jurassic Park. A lot of people noted that it was a pretty scary film given that it was rated PG in this country. Turns out that the British Board of Film Certification had decided on a 12 rating, and Spielberg (or his "people") persuaded them to change it to a PG and add an extra warning for parents that it "may be unsuitable for young children" or words to that effect. Basically, they bent the rules because it was the most powerful man in Hollywood. I thought it sucked. I also thought the film sucked. Still, my view clearly didn't prevail... BTW, I had a look at the NBL site - great pics! Azeem in London NP: Castaway on telly, not Nicolas Roeg's finest, but it does feature the divine Amanda Donohoe in her first starring role. Never get tired of watching this film, sigh... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:37:06 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc > Bob Muller's > Necco wafers :~) so that's his problem.....! poor Bob. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:40:40 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: "Ape"-alled njc > NP: Castaway on telly, not Nicolas Roeg's finest, but it does feature the > divine Amanda Donohoe in her first starring role. Never get tired of > watching this film, sigh... I just watched it too-thus i am later than usual. i watched it all the way thru hoping it would get better! It didn't. Amanda Donohoe is a good actress and very sexy. Thought she was wicked in LA Law and when i ahev seen her interviewed she comes over very cool and together and sexy too. Recently on Parky(I think) she said she was survuior of childhood sexual abuse. She has coped very well. - -- bw colin DAK,BRO GC, 950i 940,860,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2001 01:42:55 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: what happened? NJC FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > I was going to stay completely out of this whole thing, but since I'm in one > of those moods I'm going add my 2 cents! > > Knowing that Marcel lives in San Francisco and that he spent 20 years > confined to Alcatraz, I thought the post was talking about him being a > *prison bitch*. I assume he got let for the sake of the others? > > > He has sent me some private emails and signed it "Weed Wacker" which I > thought was his prison name :~) wacker makes sense. weed wacker? what that?( and should there be an H there? like whacker?) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:07:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: njc: Beatles > A check of Beatles 45's on ebay showed a range of $184.00 for an > original German pressing of "My Bonnie" in original (non pic) sleeve > (and not in wonderful shape, but rare) to $1.00 for "Come Together/ > Something" on Apple in fairly good shape, original black Apple > sleeve. For some reason the old Beatles song 'And I Love Her' popped into my head yesterday. Anybody else like this song? It has a pretty melody, though nothing complex and fairly simple lyrics. I always liked it better than 'Yesterday' if the truth be told. Was this mostly from the pen of Sir Paul? Anyone know? Mark in Seattle 'bright are the stars that shine, dark is the sky-y.....' ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 21:18:29 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: what happened? NJC In a message dated 8/1/01 8:38:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: << wacker makes sense. weed wacker? what that?( and should there be an H there? like whacker?) >> Yes Colin, you're right there should be an "H" in there. I keep forgetting that you have a much better spell-checker than I do :~) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:32:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: america and me - njc well. i am one of the multi-minoritized on this list so i think i will speak. it is true that the us has been the ruling culture in the world for some time. [why, the very fact that us people call themselves americans as if the rest of the continent were somewhere else is quite revealing.] i consider the ''american'' influence on world affairs and most of all on world cultural trends a sad, sad, sad thing -- a bore for us all, including ''americans''. but that's just me and what do i know, what with my third-world citizen status. if i were offered a green card, i would accept it. hey. still, doesn't it seem as though americans believed that all of us would like to be like them? how wrong can you be, my handsome and nike shod imperialists: we would like to have what you have, that much is true, but be like you? no, no, no, no, and no. we accept the fact that in every age there has been a roman empire, blessed with force yet doomed to perish, but many of us know better. i go to the states as often as i can. i am always less than dazzled by american glamour. in fact, i find america a tad too venal and tacky to be glamorous. still, the shopping is fabulous and the diversity very manageable. i admit that such a concept as las vegas -- with its huge hotel that looks like venice and its huge hotel that looks like new york and its hotel that looks like... -- escapes me. the states feels so much like a world in endless adolescence. but i feel good in the us -- as long as people discuss general topics, don't ask me about evita or express surprise at the fact that it snows in argentina. this list is very NORTH-american. what else could one expect? the majority is NORTH-american, joni is NORTH-american. it doesn't bother me. maybe one of the advantages of underdevelopment is political thick-skinness. i never stop to think where my friends are from. i simply love them. if i were canadian, i'd probably mind the americanness of the jmdl, i guess. as it is, i amount to too little in the world community to afford any such feelings. how did we become so americanized in argentina when at least people of my generation seem so wary of all things american? when i was growing up only two theaters in my city showed hollywood movies. however, people stood in line on saturday nights to see godar, bergman, fellini. this sounds so snobbish, i know, but it would never have occurred to us that those were ''art house'' movies. there were no art houses. we saw those movies because we were entertained that way. our parents and grandparents believed that fun came from stretching the limits of our minds and talking about the experience. oh we did see american movies, but it felt very much like playing truant: fun but it can't last for ever. we went to the movies, saw our andrej wajda, and then we headed to the cafes to discuss the symbols, the references, the implications. how very pre-post-modern of us. not surprisingly, the criminals that took over the power in 1976 attacked first universities and then the theater district, where dissent was most likely to arise. [incidentally, after reading paul o'neill's opinions in the economist, i would like to assure mr. o'neill and maybe many other americans that we argentineans may be pathetic but are not to blame for our dictators or our economic woes.] oh my, i've gone so far now. how tiresome and contradictory i can be. i guess my point is that, although i would like to have many of the advantages that americans have, i won't be wearing a baseball hat backwards any time soon. yet, i may one day buy a baseball hat because i think baseball hats are cute and besides, that people should like baseball is so mystifying that a baseball hat is almost a anthropological wonder unto itself. so god bless america, but leave the belle ipoque district in buenos aires alone, if you don't mind. if it is inevitable that stephen spielberg shall rule the world and that dean&deluca will sell us our own recipes at ten times the price, then at least give me a few nice facades to look at as we merrily sink into oblivion. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:38:13 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Social Security Taxes / Privitization - NJC So, I'm going to try to keep quiet on political topics, unless > it's in response to something Joni's said or done. Anyway, that's my resolve > for today. > > Debra Shea > Well this I will respond to and say I think it's a shame you feel this way. As a general rule, I don't participate in political discussions, don't see the point of it, never did. But if anyone else wants to discuss political topics (from any country) they should feel perfectly free to do so as long as it's done in a respectful, non-nasty way. And I'm truly sorry, Debra, that you felt the way you did when no-one responded to the nastiness that happened recently on the list. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 18:51:15 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Mirren (njc) > >oh yes!!!!! big helen mirren fan here! why, the only reason i see greenaway > >movies is to see mirren....is it something gay? > > Oh, no, not exclusively! (Big wink!) Perhaps I'll get out my copy of > "Cook, Thief, etc." tonight. She also played Morgan Le Fay in 'Excalibur' - deliciously evil and rather sexy.... Morga(i)n(e) is certainly portrayed differently in 'The Mists of Avalon'. It took me a long time to get around to this one but I'm thoroughly enjoying it. Fascinating reinvention of the Arthurian legends. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:57:54 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Helen Mirren njc Colin wrote: >>i had quite a crush on Ms Mirren in this series. then I saw >>her interviewd and was so disappointed! Nothin like her character at all! of >>course I should have know that and it just goes to show what a fine actress she >>is. In real life she was more girly and cam across as insecure. I've written this before (maybe to Hell), but I had the same experience with Patricial Cornwell. I saw her on one of the morning talk shows and was very disappointed. I'll just stick to drooling over her pictures on book covers. :>) By the way, I just found out that there will be a new series this fall (on NBC?) about a female M.E. And then Wally wrote: >>and i also had a big crush on mirren! is it something gay? and i love her >>accent and the way she says ''shit''. Wow! If you guys are attracted to her, I will definitely have to check this series out!!!!! I've never seen it! Kerry P.S. Wally - Have you watched the Ab Fab tapes yet? What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:02:55 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) it was just frivolous humor .... didn't think it needed clarifying .... yes .... counting rings was being referred to. At 05:56 PM 7/31/01 -0400, FredNow@aol.com wrote: >Bruyere writes: > > >Bob! You know [Jagger's] not a day over 225! Go ahead .... count the >creases! > >I always thought you counted the rings ... > >-Fred ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:24:51 -0400 From: dsk Subject: discussions [was Social Security...] NJC Mark or Travis wrote: > ... if anyone else wants to > discuss political topics (from any country) they should feel perfectly > free to do so as long as it's done in a respectful, non-nasty way. That seems very hard to do here so it may be better to not try at all. > And I'm truly sorry, Debra, that you felt the way you did when no-one > responded to the nastiness that happened recently on the list. Thanks, Mark. I have the very strong impression that you're a good soul who would never deliberately hurt anyone. It was a tricky situation all around, for everyone. I'm glad it's all been talked about, and that people shared their views, and glad too that it's now finished. Debra Shea P.S. And now that you mentioned the Beatles song "And I Love Her" in an earlier post, I've been hearing it too. It really is a sweet song. Don't know if Paul wrote it, but I can imagine him singing it to the woman he recently became engaged to. Yeah, very sweet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:22:46 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: njc: "Judy's and my hit" and 45's and Australia If you want to be creative, you can use them in some fashion as wall art. Just a suggestion. Heather At 12:29 PM 8/1/01 -0700, Randy Remote wrote: >Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > > My question is, are old 45's worth anything? > >Not really, if they are typical, worn, scratch records. If they are >in excellent shape, with original picture sleeves they are probably >worth a few dollars. >A check of Beatles 45's on ebay showed a range of $184.00 for an >original German pressing of "My Bonnie" in original (non pic) sleeve >(and not in wonderful shape, but rare) to $1.00 for "Come Together/ >Something" on Apple in fairly good shape, original black Apple >sleeve. >So it depends on rarity, condition, and who it is. That scratched up >Rolf Harris record is frisbee material. >And if they are not worth much, why would a charity want them? >My advice is to pick out the good ones, find someone with a >turntable, and ask them to trade you for a tape of them. >Unless, of course, there is something valuble there. >RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:38:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: home decorating (NJC) It's making me feel kind of, ulp, nostalgic. When are avocaco green kitchen appliances going to come back in style? - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > lord almighty!!!!! i'm rolling, rolling, positively > howling in the middle of > the night as i look at these pictures! > jan, god bless you honey! > wally > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com > [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mark or > Travis > Enviado el: Martes, 31 de Julio de 2001 10:20 p.m. > Para: jan; joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Re: home decorating (NJC) > > > > http://www.lileks.com/institute/interiors/bhg/index.html Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 22:37:13 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: JMDL as an American list (njc) To tell you the truth ... I sometimes feel like moving to Canada. Below you say that you feel you don't have any right to comment and your opinion isn't valued. You could not be farther from the truth. You are a very down to earth, level headed, beautiful person and I, for one, honor your opinion. Especially due to the fact that you do not live here. An outsiders view can be refreshing. That goes for all the listers in other countries. Heather At 02:35 AM 8/1/01 -0700, Robert Holliston wrote: >Hey everybody, >I've been reading and deleting a lot lately, as I have from time to time >for the last three years. I sometimes wonder if we should establish a >second, non-American JMDL. >Every time there's a political skirmish, it's about American politics. >I remember during the Monica Lewinsky/Bill Clinton scandal when Colin from >England made a supportive comment about Chelsea and was told to mind his >own business by Mark D. from Chicago (it's in the archives). >About the latest question: why didn't we all support Debra Shea? Well, >I've met and liked Debra Shea. I've also met and liked Kakki. >I've also appreciated some of Marcel Deste's posts. >But all of the arguments revolved around American politics, upon which I, >as a Canadian, feel I have no right to comment. > >So, Marcel, Debra, Kakki: please understand that many of us aren't >American. Our opinion isn't valued here on the list. No doubt our future >is determined by American politics, as the USA is the strongest country in >the world. But, believe me, we're different, and will remain so. > >I've been wondering why nobody else mentioned this but I guess we >non-Americans are a real minority. > >So, I'll tell you my real feeling. I don't care at all who you Americans >elect. I don't even care who my fellow Canadians elected. Those of us who >work in the arts will continue to fight for what we need, and it will >always be a struggle. > >Roberto > >ps. A few months ago I had the great pleasure of meeting Steve Dulson >(Happy Birthday, Steve!!). He'll probably disapprove of what I'm doing >here - intervening in a political thread - but something tells me I'll >have his support. > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:48:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: REALLY "Ape"-alled njc - --- colin wrote: i had quite a crush on Ms Mirren > in this series. then I saw > her interviewd and was so disappointed! Nothin like > her character at all! of > course I should have know that and it just goes to > show what a fine actress she > is. In real life she was more girly and cam across > as insecure. > Oh, Colin! You've just burst another bubble for me! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 22:57:09 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: was REALLY "Ape"- now Necco wafer communion - njc In a message dated 8/1/01 5:51:20 PM, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I too smuggle in a roll of Necco wafers when I go to the movies. Cost - 50 cents, and they last the whole movie long! (Hey big boy, is that a roll of Necco's in your pocket or are ya' just glad to see me?) :~D >> Synchronicity alert! I just came from dinner with friends, one of whom was raised Catholic, as I was. Anyway, we were remembering playing Holy Communion with Necco wafers as children, which must have been a pretty universal thing because she grew up in Harlem and I was raised in suburban Boston. We were wondering what ever happened to Necco wafers, and concluded that they must have gone out of business since we hadn't seen them in years. I'm glad to hear they're still around. I remember when I was a kid they had a factory in Central Square in Cambridge, and the whole area smelled sweet. Please settle a point we disagreed on, Bob. My friend said Necco wafers only had one black wafer in every roll, but I seem to remember there being more than one. Please tell me I'm right because my memory has been off too much lately! --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:06:39 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: What happened? NJC The end In a message dated 8/1/01 6:12:26 PM, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << it's probably that Irish part of me that sometimes looks through rose-colored glasses >> Hi, Kakki: I'm loaded with Irish parts, but I've never heard of the Irish having anything to do with rose-colored glasses! I thought we were supposed to be morose! No one ever told me about this, so I guess it's just another case of Murphy's Law in action. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:07:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: "Ape"-alled njc - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I have another, less > admirable recollection of > the certification of Jurassic Park. A lot of people > noted that it was a > pretty scary film given that it was rated PG in this > country. Turns out that > the British Board of Film Certification had decided > on a 12 rating, and > Spielberg (or his "people") persuaded them to change > it to a PG and add an > extra warning for parents that it "may be unsuitable > for young children" or > words to that effect. Basically, they bent the > rules because it was the most > powerful man in Hollywood. All the Jurassic Park merchandise was (and is, with JP3) aimed at kids under 12 as well, which is kind of ironic, n'est-ce pas? The way I see it, here's how they decide to rate films. Is there sex? Yes? Even implied sex? Sexual conversations? Implied sexual conversations? Then you have to make it at least PG, but more likely adult accompaniment. Is there violence? That's OK. There's violence in life, right? There's violence in Disney. The kids can see that, but not the sex. If people are shot, it can be PG. If people get their heads blown off, wellllll, depends on on how much gore there is. And so on. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:15:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Mirren (njc) - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > >oh yes!!!!! big helen mirren fan here! why, the > only reason i see > greenaway > > >movies is to see mirren....is it something gay? > > > > Oh, no, not exclusively! (Big wink!) Perhaps I'll > get out my copy of > > "Cook, Thief, etc." tonight. > > She also played Morgan Le Fay in 'Excalibur' - > deliciously evil and > rather sexy.... > > Morga(i)n(e) is certainly portrayed differently in > 'The Mists of > Avalon'. It took me a long time to get around to > this one but I'm > thoroughly enjoying it. Fascinating reinvention of > the Arthurian > legends. > Morgan is portrayed differently in just about every version of the Arthur tales I've read or seen in film. Sometimes she's a beautiful temptress with an evil heart, sometimes a gluttonous creature who seduces men by feeding them (I think of Circe luring men and then turning them into swine), sometimes she's an ugly hag. I can't get enough of the Arthurian stuff. Mirren as Morgan in Excalibur was the best part of the film IMO - - the part I most remember at any rate. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 20:00:52 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: What happened? Now Irish content NJC Murphy wrote: > I'm loaded with Irish parts, but I've never heard of the Irish having > anything to do with rose-colored glasses! I thought we were supposed to be > morose! > > No one ever told me about this, so I guess it's just another case of Murphy's > Law in action. Ah then me lad, you simply have not learned of all the strains of Irish. There is definitely a strain that always wants to look at everything as rosy and eternally deny there is anything bad in their world. There's some in my family and many other Irish families I know. My practical non-Irish mother has other words for this trait such as "sweeping it under the rug" and "being in denial." I am also aware of the dark mood and pugnacious Irish (had a couple of those as boyfriends long ago) but they had their good traits - big personalities and very sharp-minded. However, I would say you are neither morose, pugnacious or overly rosy, Murphy - just a good guy blessed with the great wit and writing style. ;-) (Apologies for any politically incorrect content here - I'm too old to know better!) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2001 23:31:44 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: "Ape"-alled njc In a message dated 8/1/01 10:19:36 PM, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << There's violence in Disney. The kids can see that, but not the sex. If people are shot, it can be PG. If people get their heads blown off, wellllll, depends on on how much gore there is. And >> Someone in Hollywood, I don't remember who at the moment, said in an interview a few years ago something like this, "If you shoot off a breast in a movie, you'll get a PG rating. But if you kiss a breast, your movie will be rated X." How true. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2001 23:50:51 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Jurassic Park 3 alert NJC I saw a post on Jurassic Park and I have to warn everyone: my wonderful 6 year old grandson and I saw Jurassic park 3 last Friday and I should clue you in that we are very experienced Jurassic park movie watchers, having watched 1 and 2 hundreds of times (about a million times less than we have seen Titanic and Charlie Brown's football, Easter, and Christmas specials - we tend to watch the same movies over and over and over...) anyway, there is one thing, and one thing only that you see a dinosaur movie for, and that is to see dinosaurs eat people. There is no other reason to watch. Gage and I amuse ourselves by yelling "snack time" every time a dinosaur eats a person. (Also yelling "snack time" clues him in this is special effects, not reality, and it works for us, makes it all funny and not intense - go ahead, try it!) So Jurassic Park 3 "dinosaur eating people" rating is a dismal, horrible, 2 - only 2 people get eaten and that is early on and just when you are thinking that a 3rd person gets eaten, a hokey and contrived miracle rescue happens somehow that we never did figure out. Is it violent? I don't think so, and if you talk it over about special effects enough the kids know it is what it is - good old scary fun. I was much concerned with the sexual overtones of Shrek (in which funniest line is the Gingerbread man yelling "eat me" which is funny but in a kids movie?) and Dr Doolittle 2 (in which we are supposed to pull for the male bear to mate with the female bear when she goes into heat, and I am not prepared to tell gage what "heat" is but he didn't ask). Of course the funniest line in Dr Doolittle 2 happens to be "so young, so angry, damn the rap music" which is ok except I try to not laugh at swearing in movies when i am with Gage so as not to encourage a double standard on language - but it was a hysterically funny, funny line in the movie, damn it. Jurassic Park 3 does end with dinosaurs flying off to freedom (we were hoping the dinosaurs would take on the US armed forces, but they just passed up that story opportunity). If they correct the dinosaur-eating-people problems of JP3, JP4 might we worth watching! (the Rev) Vince, NPIMH yelling "snack time" with Gage ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #325 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?