From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #319 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 30 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 319 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Paul Weller (NJC) ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: appalled NJC [colin ] Re: appalled NJC [colin ] Re: appalled NJC [Catherine McKay ] [Fwd: 3 hour tribute to Joni on "Nightflight" radioshow.....] [Brian Gros] Re: joni's stars ["shane mattison" ] Re: books NJC ["Ian Scott" ] Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow [Michael Paz ] SJC vain promises on beauty jars ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: SJC vain promises on beauty jars [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: SJC vain promises on beauty jars ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC [MGVal@aol.com] Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow [colin ] Re: appalled NJC [colin ] Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC [Mags ] Re: Paul Weller (NJC) [Mags ] Re: joni's stars [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: joni's stars [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: joni's stars [Randy Remote ] Re: Thom Byrd [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC [Michael Paz ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 01:04:38 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Paul Weller (NJC) Whizzboom@aol.com wrote: > Titles included: > > Headstart for Happiness One of my all time favorite Style Council tunes... > > You Do Something To Me I just adore this song. Does anyone know what the first recording of it was? I recall hearing it in a film, but I'm not sure which one. Brenda n.p.: Weller - You Do Something To Me (Couldn't resist; just downloaded it using KaZaA.) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:18:22 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: appalled NJC Reuben3rd@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/28/2001 12:59:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > How awful that people find it so easy to judge and condemn > others, even children, and just so sould destroying to have so little faith > and > hope and charity. > > I agree with you on this point, Colin, but I also know that often people with > emotional disturbances as children, that are then involved in overblown > situations (like the media blitz in this case) don't just "get better". It > takes a lot of work to get through the darkness. of course itdoes. > > > I think that you have to take into consideration what will be the best > situation for both society in general, as well as the boys, when > reintroducing them into society. Its not fair to us or them to launch them > unannounced back into the pool. and that is what is happening. I have laready said that they are having conitinued supervision and therapy etc. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:21:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: appalled NJC Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/28/01 6:25:16 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > << the 'torture' as it has been described was simply the boys chucking stones > at this poor child. >> > > Wasn't the story a little more complex than that, Colin? > > I thought the boys planned this murder, then went to a shopping mall looking > for a victim, befriended the little boy, coaxed him away from his mother, > took him to a remote area, and then carried out their planned homicide. > Not from what i understood. I knew they had taken him away from mall and near to rail line where they hurled stones at him till he died. I think the rest is speculation. It cetrianly didn;'t appear that way on the police interview tapes which have been braodcast here in a program about the boys. Whatever, the point I was making about these 2 boys and the boy in your country who shot his teacher, is that they are children and as such should be treated as such. Had any of these crimes been committted by adults, thenyes, I quite agree they should not be free again. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 08:42:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: appalled NJC - --- colin wrote: > Not from what i understood. I knew they had taken > him away from mall and near to > rail line where they hurled stones at him till he > died. I think the rest is > speculation. It cetrianly didn;'t appear that way on > the police interview tapes > which have been braodcast here in a program about > the boys. > > Whatever, the point I was making about these 2 boys > and the boy in your country > who shot his teacher, is that they are children and > as such should be treated as > such. Had any of these crimes been committted by > adults, thenyes, I quite agree > they should not be free again. Somehow I don't see the case of the boy who shot his teacher in the same light as the two boys who killed the toddler. Without knowing all the facts of either case, it seems to me the 14-yr old was acting out of rage and/or confusion - it sounds more like a crime of passion to me. when it comes to crimes of passion, I think I can understand these a bit more than the premeditated (?) murder of someone these kids didn't even know. The crime of passion scares the crap out of me, because I think "I could do something like that." So locking this kid away for 28 yrs without chance of parole is extremely harsh IMO. Maybe he did live a rough life, maybe he's a lot more disturbed than he seems to be, and he needs a lot of help, but I can't see prison providing this for him. And I'm quite sure, if he were a white kid, it wouldn't have ended like this. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 09:08:03 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: [Fwd: 3 hour tribute to Joni on "Nightflight" radioshow.....] Received from Catgirl's list this morning - I couldn't get their webcast to come in, so those jmdlers in Eastern MA, do you get this station over the air? Happy Sunday morning to my jonifamily Is there an oneg after services at the Church of Joni?? ;-) later then, Brei np: the silence of a sleeping household - -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [JoniMitchellfans] 3 hour tribute to Joni on "Nightflight" radioshow..... Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 06:51:54 -0000 From: jpatpt@yahoo.com To: JoniMitchellfans@yahoogroups.com Hello. My name is John. I'm a new member. I'm also a DJ at WOMR 92.1 FM Provincetown, Cape Cod, MA. This coming Tuesday Night 12m-3am ET/USA I'll be airing a 3 hr Joni tribute. Please check out my "Nightflight" show website at http://www.geocities.com/jpatpt/nightflight.html for more details and a link to log onto WOMR to listen to NIGHTFLIGHT on your computer. Hope you listen in. Thanks. John. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:10:23 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Re: joni's stars hi rose, there's only one drawback to their chart system for celebrities...it appears that hour and minute of birth is largely unknown for their celebrities, so they use 12 noon as a default position, which affects the ascendant (rising) and the midheaven signs... this affects only how she appears to the world, not fundamental relationship or compatibility...alter her rising time and the other compatibity quotients remain the same... however, because they have most all of these celebrities at the default 12 noon birthtime, it throws joni's rising into doubt... didn't joni say she is sag rising? yet a journalist once called her a scorpio rising, like you suspected...however, a) you may not have been aware of this default fault on these charts b) he , the journalist, only mentioned rising (with goethe) as scorpio and so he may have really discovered her for certain sun sign which is scorpio... c) if joni states somewhere she is sag rising, i bet she is (no need to embellish here)... interesting eh? will the true rising sign of joni mitchell come forth!... see ya, lil fish... shane ----- Original Message ----- From: RoseMJoy@aol.com To: cactussong@home.com Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 6:49 AM Subject: Re: joni's stars In a message dated 7/28/01 11:04:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cactussong@home.com writes: i'm lucky 'cause i'm pisces... me three!!! btw, joni is not a Sag rising, she's a double scorpio. If looks could kill rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:18:32 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Re: books NJC Well, having read what you all have to say about John Kennedy Toole's "Confederacy of Dunces", I'm definitely going to read it. On the subject of humorous books, one that is, IMHO, definitely worth reading is Evelyn Waugh's "Scoop". The central character is William Boot, a naive, nature columnist , who is mistakenly given a major overseas assignment covering an African war for a major newspaper called the Daily Beast. When he gets to Africa, he has no idea what he is supposed to do, but when the seasoned overseas correspondents dump him, he inadvertently stumbles across the big story. For those of you looking for a series of books to read, I can heartily recommend Charles Ray Willeford's four Hoke Moseley novels: "Miami Blues", "New Hope for the Dead", "Sideswipe" and "The Way We Die Now". For me, anyway, Hoke Moseley is one of the great comic characters of modern fiction. Finally, one that never fails to cheer me up, if I'm feeling a bit down, is Laurie Lee's "As I Walked Out One Midsummer Morning". It is a true account of the author's trip, on foot, across Spain, busking for a few pesetas a day. It is one of the great life-affirming books. I've read it TWELVE times! None of the above books is "heavy", but every one is guaranteed to blow those blues away :) Of course, I've got a feeling, quite a few of you have read some of these books already. Finally, I wonder if anyone can help me remember the title of a book that I read about 30 years ago. The central character is an American who goes on a business trip to Japan and falls in love with a geisha girl. He makes a series of appointments to see her, without realizing that his Japanese business hosts are reluctantly footing the bill. I would love to read that book again. Ian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:28:09 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow Mags I feel what you are saying here. Esp. the part bout just letting someone cry. I have always looked at that as a way of releasing and it helps to do it or let someone do it. Thanks for sharing this with us and good challange Mr. Muller. Love Paz on 7/28/01 7:36 PM, Mags at pholden@iprimus.ca wrote: > Just found this in my drafts folder dated mid > june...not sure why I never sent it..... thanks Brei > for the inspiration to do so. > *** > > I have taken up my brother Bob Muller's challenge by > doing a little searching- around -Joni-lyrics- town > for a word to focus on . The word I am most moved by > is one of my all time favourites, sorrow. It is one > thing to say someone is sad, or someone is hurting, > someone is down, blue, having an off day, off year, > off life... however, it is another thing altogether to > use the word sorrow. Joni digs deep with this one. > > To hear the word sorrow is like finding long lost keys > to a treasure. I think I can safely say that many > people are much more comfortable around emotions like > happiness or joy or feeling content...all those warm > and fuzzy feelings ... however when we start pushing > the emotional envelope, we wriggle and squirm in our > seats when it comes to those emotions which linger, > deep down inside us, and so often they go unspoken. > > Let's face it, when you are really sad and having a > melt down, how many people are comfortable enough to > allow you to just cry to your heart's content? In my > experience, most people just walk away or else they > can't deal with tears. They want to fix you, make it > go away ... anything so that they will not have to > deal with what your sorrow triggers inside them. > Sadness and especially sorrow has a tendency to make > everyone feel uncomfortable. > > To me, there is no finer word than sorrow to describe > some of the images Joni conjures in her songs. A > painting analogy might be considered ... using the > word sorrow is like using VanGogh oil paints rather > than brand x. There is just no comparison. The hues > and tones give reign to so many feelings and > experiences, the right touch to express heartfelt > meaning, they are rich and deep and filled with > meaning and can rock the listener to the core. You > only have to cover the canvas once with their cad > yellow to get what I mean. To me, the word sorrow is > all encompassing when it comes to trying to describe > the deepest of sad moment(s). > > Let's take a look at the list of songs I came up with > when I entered the word sorrow in Les' search engine. > > Don't Interrupt The Sorrow > The Sire Of Sorrow > Marcie > Little Green > Answer Me, My Love > Willy > Tin Angel > The Pirate of Penance > Roses Blue > For The Roses > Conversation > A Melody In Your Name > > > > np: At Last, Eva Cassidy, Time After Time > *Brei and i extend our warmest thanks to our dear > Dutch Uncle for treasures received* > > -- > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _~O > / /\_, > ___/\ > /_ > ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:07:34 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow I remember Joni saying that is Europe they're much more open to expressing the whole range of human emotion, including sorrow, then they are here in the U.S.,where expressing deeper, darker emotions are unwelcome. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 10:42:22 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Paul Weller (NJC) > > You Do Something To Me > I'm not sure if it's the same song or not but there is a Cole Porter song by that name. Louis Jordan sang it in the film of 'Can Can'. You do something to me Something that simply mystifies me Tell me why should it be You have the power to hypnotize me Let me live 'neath your spell Do do that voo-doo that you do so well Is that the one, Brenda? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:41:58 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: SJC vain promises on beauty jars Mags said: >Let me speak, let me spit out my bitterness >(she leaves quite an impression by using the word spit ...spitting on someone >is such an act of ...what...rage...disgust??) >Why have you soured and curdled me? >(taking us well beyond anger again) I think Jonis decision to spit out bitterness rather than anger or rage is based on her understanding of the humours which in the Middle Ages were thought to affect a persons disposition, character, temperament or morality. These humours date from Hippocratic physiology and denote the four fluids (humour is Latin for moisture) which, when mixed well, make up a balanced person. The fluids are blood, phlegm, yellow bile, and black bile, making people sanguine, phlegmatic, choleric or melancholic, respectively. We have seen comments on the list lately on bile-marinated goodies and bile-marinated declamations and I think all will agree that the comments have been pretty choleric. Bearing in mind the fluid nature of the bitter taste of bile, I think Joni selected a verb which goes well with the expulsion of the visc(i)ous material, i.e. spitting out the bitterness. Her later use of both souring and curdling merely continues the metaphor. One thing that I am not sure about is if Joni/Job wants to be free of the bitterness she has been caused, or if s/he wants to speak in a bitter way about something or someone. Is s/he asking to unload on someone or searching for a solution (theres that metaphor again) to the problem? The classic case in English LitCrit of a well-balanced person was Brutus, of whom Anthony says: His life was gentle, and the elements so mixd in him that Nature might stand up and say to all the world, This was a man! Youll find this in the last page of Julius Caesar, written by Willy the Shake, of whom some of you will have heard Got to stop here. I have to go and teach my granny to suck eggs Mike in Barcelona ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:16:52 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: SJC vain promises on beauty jars << I think Jonis decision to spit out bitterness rather than anger or rage is based on her understanding of the humours which in the Middle Ages >> A most excellent point, Mike...I'm not sure how much of Sire of Sorrow was HER text and how much was lifted from Job. I don't know which version or translation she used when writing the lyrics, but her writing could have taken much of the text directly from the source. Which isn't to take anything away from "Sire of Sorrow", one of the most brilliant pieces she's written, and I think one of her attempts to reconcile herself with The Bible which she had dismissed at an early age. Bob NP: Amy Correia, "Carnival Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:24:10 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: SJC vain promises on beauty jars > One thing that I am not sure about is if Joni/Job wants to be free of the > bitterness she has been caused, or if s/he wants to speak in a bitter way > about something or someone. Is s/he asking to unload on someone or > searching for a solution (theres that metaphor again) to the problem? Job is trying to understand why his god is seemingly punishing him. He demands the opportunity to state his case, lists his grievances, asks why he has been visited with all of his misfortunes and demands that god answer him. To me the song is about someone's faith being tried in the extreme and their subsequent struggle to understand why. Job/Joni isn't just unloading or looking for a solution so much as demanding to know why. 'Show your face Help me understand What is the reason For your heavy hand? Was it the sins of my youth? What have I done to you? That you make everything I dread And everything I fear come true?' I love this song. I think it's one of her crowning achievements. If you've ever been close to someone or had a group of close friends who have died of AIDS, the parallels in these lyrics are eerie. I suppose that could be said for any number of diseases or calamities as well. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 19:31:12 +0100 From: pyramus@lineone.net Subject: 3 hour Joni tribute this Tuesday http://www.geocities.com/jpatpt/nightflight.html pyramus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:36:00 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: books NJC Browsing through the various threads, I wanted to commented on the posts about truths and perceptions but missed the boat on that one. Books, though, I'm always reading; sometimes 2 or 3 at once. (amateurs, don't try this yourself). One great book that I re-re-re-re-read a few weeks ago is a novel called, "The Cheerleder." I first read it when I was in junior high back circa 1973. It is a well crafted story set in rural New Hampshire in the late 50's. As the title seems to imply it is about a cheerleader and her struggles with being/becoming herself and being true to her unique abilities versus conforming to society. Sounds doofy and "Seventeen-ish" but it really is a great book. By Ruth Ann White, it should be required high school reading and meditating. Easy read that sticks with you. Today's agenda: to the bookstore to get the Confederacy of Dunces! and then off to a doubleheader. MG np - silence - my last hearing aid battery ran out! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:19:02 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: and sometimes there'll be sorrow Mags, that was a wonderful post...I grew up listening to Joni & loved the way she says sorrow & to this day I think I pronounce it with a Canadian accent...it is such a beautiful word to say that way... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:19:00 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: appalled NJC Bob wrote: ...I'm sorry -- but I have to look away from the media frenzy. I don't know whether or not this makes me a bad citizen of the global village, but I think it's healthy. Bob I so agree with you. I watch very little news because of this...I am appalled at the sensationalism of horrific crimes...& the strange & twisted way the media makes those people that commit crimes famous...case in point the Oklahoma City bombing...that guy did not deserve to have his name even mentioned... I too think we live in a world that is basically good in spite of the media world view.******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 14:43:55 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC From a post from Paz: Let's face it, when you are really sad and having a > melt down, how many people are comfortable enough to > allow you to just cry to your heart's content? In my > experience, most people just walk away or else they > can't deal with tears. They want to fix you, make it > go away ... anything so that they will not have to > deal with what your sorrow triggers inside them. > Sadness and especially sorrow has a tendency to make > everyone feel uncomfortable. I liked a lot of what was said but don't really agree with this paragraph. I think that people want to "fix you or make it go away" or "anything" because they feel for you, not because sorrow has a tendancy to make everyone feel uncomfortable. At least that's my experience. I had a bout of sorrow the other day. Cried a lot. The kind of big boo hoo that Maybelline Concealer is powerless against. And the usual "how can I fix it" was inspired more by "I just hate to see you feel this way" than "aww, shuddup awready, wouldja?" than anything else. And this from a house of people not used to anything more revealing than the unwrapping of Kraft's singles for sandwiches. I do agree that it is a lovely gift and not always easy offering to give your partner or friend the space to let out your sorrow. outta here for now, MG ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 12:12:24 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC > I do agree that it is a lovely gift and not always easy offering to give your partner or friend the space to let out your sorrow. It is indeed. I am very blessed in this respect. It's interesting how people treat you when you're going through a life-devastating experience. You get to have a sense for the people who will understand and accept your grief and the people who just can't deal with it or hear about it. The latter group can include family & close friends and you come to understand that it isn't that they care any less for you. They just aren't equipped to handle it. But the people who will let you express your sorrow and will listen patiently are a real treasure and you never forget what they've done for you. One of those who did this for me is now going through a rough time and I'm hoping that I can be as good a friend to this person as they were to me. It's an invaluable gift, really, to have someone who will allow and accept your sorrow when you need to let it out. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:59:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: joni's stars This was fun. Hell, it looks like I will be helping you in Joni's kitchen: "It would be good for Kate to cook soup and stews for Joni. This relationship will work better straight and sober." But she in turn will help me!!!! "Joni could bring out the star qualities in Kate." !!!!!!!!!! And more: "Kate can help Joni to schedule more appropriate routines. Kate can help Joni feel pride through right living. The two of you could enjoy walks in secluded areas and collect evidence against polluters... The two of you could benefit through camping trips together." But alas, she will eventually miss her clean white linen & fancy french colone... fun, thanks Shane... just click below for your own trip to the stars... http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:Og8rIM6o7z4:www.adze.com/bios/htm/1943/ 1 1070001.html ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:36:04 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow I am sure she didn't mean the UK! A pretty repressed lot here! Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I remember Joni saying that is Europe they're much more open to > expressing the whole range of human emotion, including sorrow, then they are > here in the U.S.,where expressing deeper, darker emotions are unwelcome. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 20:35:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: appalled NJC > And I'm quite > sure, if he were a white kid, it wouldn't have ended > like this. so am I! He committed this dreadful act when he was 13. To try him as an adult is digusting. To put in jail for 28 years is wicked. > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 11:53:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC Hi Mark, > It is indeed. I am very blessed in this respect. It's interesting > how people treat you when you're going through a life-devastating > experience. You get to have a sense for the people who will > understand and accept your grief and the people who just can't deal > with it or hear about it. The latter group can include family & close > friends and you come to understand that it isn't that they care any > less for you. They just aren't equipped to handle it. I've known some people who are just cool or cold emotionally, but have been surprised to see some who seem the coldest be there in the biggest way when the chips are down. Also, sometimes friends or family can be so overwhelmed or preoccupied with their own private sorrows that their capacity or reserves for being there for others is simply depleted. It's funny - sometimes when I can't help but cry in front of someone, that person will also start to well up. When that happens I usually become distracted from my own pain and want to alleviate their pain. I recently lost my 13 year old cat. My boyfriend had been like a rock for me throughout but as soon as he heard me crying with my mother about it, he also broke down. At that point we decided it would be best to to go out for a few margaritas ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 13:05:19 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Paul Weller (NJC) I'm afraid not. The Weller tune is a different song, an original. Thanks for posting though....the Porter song is a classic! Brenda n.p.: Style Council - "Why I Went Missing" Mark or Travis wrote: > > > > > > You Do Something To Me > > > > I'm not sure if it's the same song or not but there is a Cole Porter > song by that name. Louis Jordan sang it in the film of 'Can Can'. > > You do something to me > Something that simply mystifies me > Tell me why should it be > You have the power to hypnotize me > Let me live 'neath your spell > Do do that voo-doo that you do so well > > Is that the one, Brenda? > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:15:41 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC Mark or Travis wrote: > > > << It's interesting > how people treat you when you're going through a life-devastating > experience. You get to have a sense for the people who will > understand and accept your grief and the people who just can't deal > with it or hear about it. The latter group can include family & close > friends and you come to understand that it isn't that they care any > less for you. They just aren't equipped to handle it.>> As I wrote about sorrow Mark, I started in one direction and then was quickly swept along the river of my past to a couple of difficult situations, one with my ex and one with my sister, both of whom could not , would not and will not for whatever reasons deal with sorrow, not only mine, anyone's. It was not my intention to say "everyone" is like that. Not at all. The experience of being left like that was very painful, and it left such an impression, that what I was talking about. These tender feelings are so very difficult to articulate clearly. Today, I focus on the reality that I am also blessed. I live my every day within the safe place of being with someone so close to me that we accept each other's feelings, all of them. We listen...love...care. Very special to have that sanctuary. > > > < patiently are a real treasure and you never forget what they've done > for you. One of those who did this for me is now going through a > rough time and I'm hoping that I can be as good a friend to this > person as they were to me. It's an invaluable gift, really, to have > someone who will allow and accept your sorrow when you need to let it > out.>> an invaluable gift indeed. Mags. > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:24:14 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Paul Weller (NJC) "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > <> > > > > Brenda.. I have a cover of the Paul Weller tune You do Something To Me. The version I have is performed by Emm Gryner on her CD Science Fair..She gives credit to P. Weller on the cover. A beautiful, moody touching song. Gorgeous. Mags. > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:24:35 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's stars I think I read or heard Joni say that she is a Triple Scorpio. If she is Sag rising, this is news to me. My birthday is November 6th and I think I am Sag rising and would hope to be compatible with Joni when we oneday become best friends. Ken, SF ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 16:43:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's stars In a message dated 7/29/01 12:02:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cactussong@home.com writes: > didn't joni say she is sag rising? yet a journalist once called her a > scorpio rising, like you suspected...however, I have an old live recording where Joni is asked by one of her fans in the audience what rising sign she is, and she answers in a whisper, Scorpio. I did read that somewhere as well. I think it might have been Hinton's book. I did her chart somewhere putting her at 7:00 am not knowing her true time of birth. If she is a Scorpio rising, she would have to have been born somewhere between 6-8AM If I find it in my files, I'll email it to you. Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 15:36:45 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: joni's stars As far as I have been able to tell, Joni's birthtime has not been documented. Until someone can come up with some proof like the actual recording mentioned (and not just Hinton's description of it), her birth certificate, an actual quote from Joni or her mother, it's still heresay that she is Scorpio rising. Not that it doesn't fit. But as far as I know, that information hasn't come forth, and a proper chart for her has not been done. RR RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/29/01 12:02:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > cactussong@home.com writes: > > > didn't joni say she is sag rising? yet a journalist once called her a > > scorpio rising, like you suspected...however, > > I have an old live recording where Joni is asked by one of her fans in the > audience what rising sign she is, and she answers in a whisper, Scorpio. I > did read that somewhere as well. I think it might have been Hinton's book. > I did her chart somewhere putting her at 7:00 am not knowing her true time of > birth. If she is a Scorpio rising, she would have to have been born somewhere > between 6-8AM > If I find it in my files, I'll email it to you. > > Rose in NJ > > rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:13:46 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: Thom Byrd thom, you started a thread labled ...expose the bitch!. that was a nasty thing you started to a very private and genuine person. you had no right to lable in the heading a derogatory comment about anyone on this list. seems rather immature and mean spirited to me. i went on your web site. you're an artist. so is debra shea. a good one. and you'll probably never know anything more about her than that. i noticed today that her pic is no longer on the gallery. everyone has a right to their views and to share them on this list. and everyone has a right to maintain their privacy. and most people on this list value those things. perhaps in time you will too. pat In a message dated 7/27/2001 8:26:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 19:20:59 -0400 > From: "Thom Byrd" > Subject: expose the bitch! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 22:07:33 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: and sometimes there'll be sorrow NJC Ah Tequila and Tears-the best of medicine! Love Paz on 7/29/01 11:53 AM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: > Hi Mark, > >> It is indeed. I am very blessed in this respect. It's interesting >> how people treat you when you're going through a life-devastating >> experience. You get to have a sense for the people who will >> understand and accept your grief and the people who just can't deal >> with it or hear about it. The latter group can include family & close >> friends and you come to understand that it isn't that they care any >> less for you. They just aren't equipped to handle it. > > I've known some people who are just cool or cold emotionally, but have been > surprised to see some who seem the coldest be there in the biggest way when > the chips are down. Also, sometimes friends or family can be so overwhelmed > or preoccupied with their own private sorrows that their capacity or > reserves for being there for others is simply depleted. > > It's funny - sometimes when I can't help but cry in front of someone, that > person will also start to well up. When that happens I usually become > distracted from my own pain and want to alleviate their pain. I recently > lost my 13 year old cat. My boyfriend had been like a rock for me > throughout but as soon as he heard me crying with my mother about it, he > also broke down. At that point we decided it would be best to to go out for > a few margaritas ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:05:26 EDT From: Whizzboom@aol.com Subject: Exact Audio Copier Question NJC Greetings, I'm wondering if any of y'all can help here. I've lost the name and address of the gentleman who sent me the EAC program (though I know he's a JMDL'er), and I'm having a problem. I found this great site related to Throwing Muses & Kristin Hersh (Beestung.com), and being a HUGE fan, I couldn't help but do some massive downloading, as the guy who runs it has entire shows posted, most of which are of fairly excellent sound quality. Up until today, I've had no troubles downloading the files as individual mp3's, then burning them onto CD in succession to comprise an entire show. Today, however, I tied up my PC for almost 12 hours getting another show together, and I cant get any of the files to burn...my burner says the files are 'not valid audio files' and 'will not be added to the playlist' or whatever. To cut to the chase, I know the EAC program MUST have a way of converting these mutant mp3s into .WAV files, but EAC is a little complex to use and I cannot figure out how to do it to save my life - any suggestions? A (free & downloadable) software alternative? Help - I must hear Kristin!! I will not be denied! (LOL) Thanks, Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:59:09 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: and sometimes there'll be sorrow. njc, long Great post, Mags. It will come as no surprise to anyone who's been on the List for a while that I've been thinking about 'sorrow' lately. ("sad smile, her apology. Sad eyes, reaching for the door. This is my opening farewell." Ooops. Wrong poet.) When Karen left I hit that ole debilitating tailspin. It almost killed me. Mercifully, like the aftermath of a nuclear strike, the intense heat and radiation has subsided into your garden variety dust and rubble in the form of "sorrow". What I feel on a daily basis is what you alluded to Mags. Anyway, lately, Shawn Colvin has been resonating in my head, like her buzzing, nasal voice. Her solo piano and voice repeating this (paraphrased) "<<< I have this funny ache an' it's burning in my chest an' it spreads just like a fire inside my body...... is it something God left out? .... in my spirit? or my flesh? Would I be saved if I were brave and had a baby? It was never clear what would come next but that's the risk and that's the test. And no one ever talks about when one might *stop and need to rest* Or how long you sit alone before you stop looking back (like you're waiting for Godot) before you pick your sorry ass up off the floor and ....... ....... go?" <<<<<<<<<<< Shawn Colvin from "If I Were Brave" from her wonderful and highly recommended "A Few Small Repairs" see more at www.shawncolvin.com , naturally! But when reading lyrics, remember the immortal words of my fellow native of New York State's Long Island who observed, "There's a new band in town but ya can't get the sound from a story in a magazine." jeees, she does a nice job on that quote. Beside the fact that "next/risk/test" is a masterful triplet, she captures that hinge point when you've been down a long, long, long time, when you've perseverated enough, when you've run out of self pity. There's a weird little release moment when one realizes, 'yeah, my life is sad. very sad.... but I better do the _laundry_ before it's too late today." :) It's a blessing of a parasite- the weekly routine. Lama, who's been working 57 hours/week for 5 months. (Before Marcel asks why anyone would do such a thing, I'll answer: one word, Marcel: poverty) P.S. As jmdler Bryan Thomas observed on "Radio Plastic Jennifer", 'if the shit ain't killed us we must be stronger.' Nice job Bryan. (He's not wholly *convinced* you understand- he's taking it on *faith* that "we" are stronger.) P.P.S.S. I love to write for you guys. P.P.P.S.S.S. As a wise sage (ME!) used to say daily, "Tolerance, tolerance, tolerance" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:02:59 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: Clinton cited joni in Canadian parliament '95 The United States and Canada: Reaffirming the Partnership President Clinton Remarks to the Canadian Parliament, Ottawa, Canada, February 23, 1995 I thank the Prime Minister and all of you for welcoming me to this magnificent capital city. The Prime Minister first came to this chamber to represent the people of Canada when President Kennedy was in the White House. I resent that because when President Kennedy was in the White House, I was in junior high school--and now the Prime Minister has less gray hair than I do. He does, in spite of the fact that since that time he has occupied nearly every seat in his nation's cabinet. The first time I met him, I wondered why this guy could not hold down a job. My wife has visited Toronto, and we had a wonderful, wonderful family vacation in Western Canada--in Victoria and Vancouver back in 1990--one of the best times that all of us have ever had together anywhere. We are deeply indebted to your culture. Our daughter's name was inspired by Canadian songwriter Joni Mitchell's wonderful song, Chelsea Morning. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2001 23:07:13 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Exact Audio Copier Question NJC At 7/29/2001 09:05 PM, Whizzboom@aol.com wrote: >To cut to the chase, I know the EAC program MUST have a way of converting >these mutant mp3s into .WAV files, but EAC is a little complex to use and I >cannot figure out how to do it to save my life - any suggestions? A (free & >downloadable) software alternative? Help - I must hear Kristin!! I will not >be denied! (LOL) I've found the easiest and cheapest way to convert MP3's to WAV files (and vice versa) is by using the free MusicMatch program, downloadable at http://www.musicmatch.com/download/free/ Exact Audio Copy is probably the best there is for making CDs but, as you said, it's not very user friendly. Les ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #319 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?