From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #314 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 314 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: July 26 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: July 26 [les@jmdl.com] Re: NJC Debt and taxes/Employment Numbers ["Kakki" ] Re: NJC Identity njc [colin ] Re: NJC Identity njc [colin ] NJC Sex... [colin ] Re: NJC Identity (Nat Tate) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Slang dictionaries njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Weather (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: this and that [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Taming the Daughter - The Jenna Bush Story ["Bill Dollinger" ] being calm and relaxed(NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Pontoon Planes [Steve Dulson ] Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) [Alison E ] Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) [mintagli@ypf.com.ar] Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc [Alison E ] Re: NJC Okay now... ["Diane Evans" ] Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) ["Diane Evans" ] Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) [colin ] Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc ["Diane Evans" ] july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: NJC - heavy weather - NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc [dsk ] truth exists ["shane mattison" ] Re: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: NJC Identity njc [dsk ] Re: truth exists [Don Rowe ] Birthday Madness continues! NJC [Susan Guzzi ] Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) [Alison E ] Re: NJC Okay now... (md) [dsk ] Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) [Catherine Udall Turley ] Many Thanks NJC [Susan Guzzi ] A Challenge [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC - heavy weather - NJC [colin ] Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc [colin ] Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) [colin ] Re: NJC Identity njc [colin ] Re: truth existsNJC [colin ] Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) [colin ] Re: truth existsNJC ["Kakki" ] Re: truth existsNJC [jan ] Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) [AzeemAK@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:06:03 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: July 26 On July 26 in Joni Mitchell History: 1966: Chuck and Joni Mitchell return to Saskatoon today to visit Joni's parents. More info: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/660728ssp.cfm 1970: Joni performs at the Mariposa Folk Festival - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 03:06:03 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: July 26 On July 26 these articles were published: 1969: "Joni Mitchell Finally Comes Across" - Rolling Stone (Advertisement, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690726rs.cfm 1979: "The Rolling Stone Interview" - Rolling Stone (Interview, with photographs) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/790726rs.cfm 1983: "Joni Mitchell Concert review" - Newsday (Review - Concert) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/830726n.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 615 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:45:06 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Debt and taxes/Employment Numbers Brenda, Thanks - you are always great with the facts and figures and I will pay more attention to what's going on now. I think I've wanted to be blindly optimistic (denial) in the face of this and hope this trend is not too long term. I suffered horribly during the recession and economic bleakness in the mid to late 70s and would never want to see that situation return, not so much for myself, but for the young people just starting out in the world on who it can be especially rough. Been there. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:44:19 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) I used to be exactly the same and still am to cartain extent but no longer to the point it cripples me. Keeping at the therapy really helped get my self esteem up and also helped me learn different thoughts and attitudes. Mediatation also helps a lot. I us the type(the only one that worked for me) where you repeat a matra(meaningless word) inside your head. You'd be surprised how quickly your breathing slows and how quickly 20 mins passes by. However, the major help was the changes in my belief system and attitude to myself and the world around me. Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I am an extremely sensative,anxious,nervous person. I would love to > be more calm and relaxed...I work a lot on this with my therapist. Does > anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:47:04 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Identity njc > Jeez, how tragic is that? just dreadful the money would have been afr better spent on therapy. what were the surgeons thinking of? oh, their bank accounts.... > > > Azeem in London > > NP: a Scotsman who has changed his name to Wild Bill Hickock and dresses as a > cowboy in black only... - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:52:24 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Identity njc > > or people with wings!!!!! > > wallyK, who just wants a nice ... oh well.... > > I'd like a nice... also. Are we talking about the same thing? Whatever, hmm, > I'd like one too. definately one for our resident shrink, Terry! > > > Shea > > NP: The new HBO show, Six Feet Under. Is anyone else getting hooked on this? - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:58:36 +0100 From: colin Subject: NJC Sex... ...In The City. Someone mentioned this program. i ahevonly seen a couple of episodes. Am amazed at how liberal it is for an American show. All the sex talk, and the nudity, full frontal as well(the recent steam room scenes). Very strange when the word 'crappy' was bleeped in The Gena Davis Show. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:37:54 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: NJC Identity (Nat Tate) Azeem AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I'm watching an extraordinary programme on TV about identity (part of a > series on Channel 4 called "identity crisis"), and it's pretty mind-blowing. Unfortunately I missed this episode, but I saw the first in the series which concentrated on people who create a totally false identity for themselves. It included a feature on an art forger (whose name I forget), renowned for his forgeries of Matisse and Picasso drawings. Asked who he was forging at the moment, he said he was working on a series of drawings by New York artist "Nat Tate", but was finding it particularly hard to find any of his originals to copy. This feature was then followed by an interview with author William Boyd, whose biography of Nat Tate was published on 1st April (!!) 1998. see http://www.expressindia.com/ie/daily/19980411/10150314.html Nat Tate was an orphan, who according to his biographer was an abstract-impressionist, "notionally of the New York School''; a friend of Picasso's and Braque's and a lover, albeit short- lived, of Peggy Guggenheim. At 31, having first destroyed all his work, Nat Tate bought a ticket for the Staten Island Ferry, walked to the stern, climbed on the rail and threw himself off. His body was never found. David Bowie, one of the publishers, read an extract from the book at the launch. The literary editor of (UK Newspaper) The Independent, who was at the New York launch, said that no one he spoke to claimed to know Tate well, but no one claimed *not* to have heard of him. Nat Tate, however, never existed outside Boyd's mind. Some of his paintings, included in the book, were made by Boyd and the pictures of Nat Tate that feature in the "biography'' are of unknown people that he happened to pick up in different places. Lister (of The Independent) says that he sniffed something fishy, since he appeared to be the only person in a room that included, artists, collectors, art historian, art dealers, New York based writers like Paul Auster and editors of literary journals, who had never heard of Tate. His suspicions were confirmed when he discovered that none of the galleries mentioned in the book existed. Boyd's publisher, Karen Wright, admitted to Lister that she and the other publishers of the book, who include David Bowie, had been aware that it was a scam, that was "never meant maliciously''. She said, "There is a willingness not to appear foolish. No one wants to admit they've never heard of him. No one can have heard of every artist. But critics are too proud''. Boyd told The Independent, "It's a little fable now and for any time... I think its particularly relevant now when, almost overnight, people are becoming art celebrities''. PaulC PS Boyd chose the name from two London galleries ie The National Gallery and The Tate. "Critics of all expression Judges in black and white Saying it's wrong, saying it's right Compelled by prescribed standards Or some ideals we fight For wrong, wrong and right" Joni Mitchell - Shadows & Light ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:04:54 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Slang dictionaries njc In a message dated 25/07/01 13:41:25 GMT Daylight Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: << I was looking a word up from a Joni article that I had never heard (snarkey?) and I stumbled across these slang dictionaries. They're really fun! I never knew that fanny means something totally different in England! >> That's a hardy perennial of cross-water confusion, Kerry! I can remember blanching when I first someone talk about getting a kick up the fanny... then there's the (possibly apocryphal) tale of John McEnroe at Wimbledon one year saying something like "we need to get more fannies on seats" - he's a sly old fox, and I reckon he probably knew what he was saying, but could hide behind the language barrier. We would say "bums on seats", but maybe to you that conjures up images of loads of vagrants being bused in to fill the stadium... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:08:57 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) In a message dated 26/07/01 07:33:51 GMT Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Then you get the North Island in summer, which can get incredibly hot. The Bay of Islands is a beautiful spot in summer, and gets loads of tourists (tourism is our highest paying industry). We're pretty lucky that our landscapes are so diverse. There's major geothermal activity in and around Rotorua, in the central North Island - mud pools, geysers, hot pools, etc. >> Ah New Zealand, how I'd love to go again! I spent about a week there (prior to flying over to Sydney for my brother's wedding), driving around the North Island a bit, and it truly is a beautiful country. Rotorua is an extraordinary place - Hell didn't mention the smell!! I loved Napier too, a seaside town full of amazing Art Deco buildings. I hope to get there for longer next time. Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:31:23 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: this and that <> "I am on a lonely road & I am traveling...looking for something, what can it be?" (or the entire text of 'Black Crow') sums it up pretty well I think, Joni realizes that life is a journey, not a destination. Always in search of love & music, truth & beauty... <> Very true, but that's probably something we all do in a subconcious way, assume a "role" based on who we're dealing with...like when I was dispatching truck drivers, I would (unintentionally) crank up the drawl. What I also find interesting is the way Joni "develops" her stories as she progesses on tours and/or press junkets. You know it has to get monotonous telling the same anecdotes and stories interview after interview, so she probably mixes it up a bit just for her own entertainment! Bob NP: Son Volt, "Tear Stained Eye" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:48:28 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Taming the Daughter - The Jenna Bush Story Ok, it's been a while but all this talk about first daughters has inspired this parody... bill - ------------------- TAMING THE DAUGHTER She stepped outside to drink a beer And have a little fun Big sister passed out there Over by Air Force One Over by Air Force One. She's a runaway, who's slightly soused, From the secret service and daddy's white house. Boring! The old man imploring No blaming the daughters (You can't blame the daughters!) Daughter, daughter drinking nightly. Oh, pity pity. Barbara says "It's hard to walk! Was that 200 proof?" The place to watch the girls the best Is on the white house roof. On the white house roof. Graduate with honors, One more swig and you're a goner Falling! The old man is calling For taming the daughters (You can't tame the daughters) Daughter, daughter, drinking nightly. Oh, pity pity. The cop shed light In my car last night It wasn't what I had planned. I just stepped out for a Guinness Stout And maybe a one night stand Formula template government style Genuine ID card for juveniles. Passes for a while, Now it's off to trial. I watched my friends up-chuck their beers And stare down at their chow And I thought of Jenna Bound and gagged In Kennebunkport now In Kennebunkport now. I'm so sick of this town, In any event Just four years And we'll be sent Packing! The old man is snacking And blaming the daughters (You can't blame the daughters!) Daughter, daughter, drinking nightly. Oh, pity pity. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:09:32 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Taming the Daughter - The Jenna Bush Story In a message dated 7/26/01 9:53:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@friendsofanimals.org writes: << Ok, it's been a while but all this talk about first daughters has inspired this parody... >> LOL Bill !!!! It's good to see that you haven't lost your touch. Jimmy NP - Fun Boy Three "Our Lips Are Sealed" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:37:58 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Sex... Colin wrote:Someone mentioned this program. i ahevonly seen a couple of episodes. Am amazed at how liberal it is for an American show. All the sex talk, and the nudity, full frontal as well(the recent steam room scenes). Very strange when the word 'crappy' was bleeped in The Gena Davis Show. Ah...the difference between network television (free TV that we all get), and cable television (pay TV, like HBO, where Sex and the City is aired.) I just got HBO this year, and have been impressed with the stuff that I've seen. I LOVE Six Feet Under. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:52:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: NJC Identity njc - --- AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I'm watching an extraordinary programme on TV about > NP: a Scotsman who has changed his name to Wild Bill > Hickock and dresses as a > cowboy in black only... uh, could you get his name and number for me? ;-) alison e. in nyc (desperately missing cowboys, and simply (s)exstatic about my upcoming visit to jackson hole, wyoming...) np: jonatha, 10 cent wings, and wishing steady pull were as good. sorry, j-bro... Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:52:23 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: being calm and relaxed(NJC) Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? I think deleting all the political discussion on the jmdl before reading it would help a lot. :) (Not that I don't love you guys, but....) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:55:31 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Pontoon Planes The talented and handsome Mr. Carlton wrote: > Joni...told people that Kenora was an Indian name and it > meant "lake of many pontoons". Actually "lake of many pontoon planes". As a big flying boat and seaplane fan, I couldn't let that slide. :) - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 07:59:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) > Relayer211@aol.com wrote: Does > > anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and > relaxed? and randy wrote: > 4. Smoke alot of weed (actually it might make you > more paranoid) > RR i know several people who smoke pot for relaxation and nervousness rather than take anti-anxiety drugs like prozac or zanex. pot has the same effect, is less toxic, has fewer side effects (except for randy's aforementioned paranoia, and the munchies) and works extrememly well. not that i would advocate the use of illegal drugs to anyone, of course! but it does work really well for some people. alison e. in nyc sidenote: utahns consume more prozac than anyone else in the country, a state where alcohol is frowned upon and being caught with a joint tantamount to getting caught having sex in church... Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 12:07:27 -0300 From: mintagli@ypf.com.ar Subject: Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) Catherine and Michael wrote: > Catherine, who usually enjoys books while she's > reading them, but then almost immediately forgets what > they were about >This made me laugh as I am the same way with movies. i just don't have the >storage space available anymore to retain all this info. I have both your problems but I think in my case the difficulty resides in remembering plots. I can remember passages of novels but eventhough I reread constantly it's almost impossible for me to remember the story. It's not bad memory, because I usually remember poems (even in English or in Italian) and lyrics without much effort. Anyway, I don't mind this much. "Confederacy of Dunces" is certainly one of the funniest books I've read, but the one that made me laugh the most is "The Thought Gang", by Tibor Fischer. Has anyone read that one? Right now I'm reading "Trasumanar e organizzar", a book of poems by Pier Paolo Pasolini and rereading "Dejemos hablar al viento" by Juan Carlos Onetti. They're both fantastic, but they're not doing much to improve my attitude towards life. Mariana, literature abuser Assim como falham as palavras quando querem exprimir qualquer pensamento, assim falham os pensamentos quando querem exprimir qualquer realidade. - --Fernando Pessoa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 08:03:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc i am already addicted to "six feet under", it really only took the first episode. and i'm absolutely in love with the music from the opening credits! i hope they put out a soundtrack soon. it is a brilliantly written show. my favorite lines: him--"i love you, and i'm in this for the long haul, but there is a limit to the amount of shit i will take." her--"did you just make me a lifetime commitment followed by a thinly veiled threat of abandonement?" him--"i don't remember using the word lifetime." - --- RoseMJoy@aol.com wrote: > dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > NP: The new HBO show, Six Feet Under. Is anyone > else getting hooked on this? > > Me me me!!! it's up there with sex and the City and the Sopranos!! LOL Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:35:04 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: NJC Okay now... Debra, You brought up an interesting point: >It's especially grating because only wages up to $80,400 are taxed for >Social Security, so it's not a program that any of Dubya's pals are putting >much money toward. Do people who earn above that amount get to *collect* Social Security? It would make sense. But then, many of our laws and social benefits packages seem to be put together with little common sense...;-\ If anyone knows about the salary conditions for receiving Social Security benefits, let us know! Thanks, Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:42:03 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) You wrote: >I would love to be more calm and relaxed...Does >anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? Okay. I know this sounds a little whacky, but take up something like carving stone. When you get really frustrated you can whack the hell out of the stone, loose your anger as you pound this effigy of your frustration, and walk away feeling lots lighter. And an added benefit may be the start of something beautiful for your yard, wall, front room... Peace, Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:49:57 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) I used pot for 12 years fro this reason but I can assure it DOES have side effects and quite unpleasant ones too. It IS addictive, and has physical consequences. It DOES have a PHYSICAL withdrawal effect: high anxiety, sweats, sleeplessness, muscle pain, stomach cramps, cold sweats and flushes, impotence. Don't take my word for but do a search on the net for Marijuana and you will come across info from a 12 step group Marijuana Anonymous and you will find even more adverse effects reported by those who quit. I have also been thru Valium withdrawl which is appalling, truly, but I wouldn't want to go thru either again. Oh, and the Valium withdrawal had nothing to do with abusing it either. i stuck to the dose given my the doc. But it has a physical addiction aspect to it which can heppen withing weeks, sometimes as short as two. You start to withdraw even tho you are still taking the same amount becasue the body requires more. It took 9 mhts of cutting down by 1 mg a week and hell for me to get off it completely. I You have to be carefull because withdrawl can be extrememyl dangerous-seizures and heart problems. Such a pity-Valium is the best drug I have ever had.(and I have had loads-From 15 my doctors taught me if I didn't like how I felt I could change it with one of their potions. I wised up eventually) Alison E wrote: > > Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > Does > > > anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and > > relaxed? > > and randy wrote: > > 4. Smoke alot of weed (actually it might make you > > more paranoid) > > RR > > i know several people who smoke pot for relaxation and > nervousness rather than take anti-anxiety drugs like > prozac or zanex. pot has the same effect, is less > toxic, has fewer side effects (except for randy's > aforementioned paranoia, and the munchies) and works > extrememly well. > not that i would advocate the use of illegal drugs to > anyone, of course! but it does work really well for > some people. > alison e. in nyc > sidenote: utahns consume more prozac than anyone else > in the country, a state where alcohol is frowned upon > and being caught with a joint tantamount to getting > caught having sex in church... > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:59:35 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc Rose, You wrote: >I can't imagine would it would be like embalming a >dead person, but I guess someone has to do it. Actually, embalming isn't really necessary anymore, if the dead person is to be buried quickly. Embalming arose, in part, as a way of making sure the person was really dead. Today's medical arts allow us to determine that a person is truly dead before sending them to the mortician. (I have this on the authority of an undertaker who goes to my church.) Diane P.S. I, too, love Six Feet Under! _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:26:52 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: NJC - heavy weather - NJC Easy Question 1: anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: >It is still eerily hot, (is it just me, or is the sun really hotter than it was >when I was a kid?) Easy Question 2: sybilskelton@hotmail.com writes: > By the way, how warm is 30 C? I am metric illiterate. A Meteorologist replies: Easy Answer 1. No, Catherine, the sun isn't really hotter than you were when you were a kid. It's just that you're taller, therefore nearer the sun (assuming you are standing upright during the day). Checking old family photos should prove this. Easy Answer 2. To convert C to F, divide by five, multiply by 9 and add 32. Example: 30 C divided by 5 = 6, 6 x 9 = 54, 54+32 =86 degrees F. Relax, Sybil, you're not metric illiterate. Unfortunately you are metric innumerate, which I'm afraid is worse in the all-digital future. I assume this is what you wanted to know. If what you really wanted to know was how hot 30C is, this is a very subjective question and should be left to philosophers, or metaphysicians. Homework Question: Is 36 C twice as hot as 18 C, and therefore four times hotter than 9 C? Answer: How could it be if 36 C = 98.6 F, 18 C =64.4 F, and 9 C = 48.2 F? Obviously 98.6 is not twice as much as 64.4 or four times as much as 48.2. Can any mathematician explain in more detail, please? O.K. I confess, my degree is not in meteorology, but in sociology, but as Maureen Lipman used to say, if you have got one kind of '-ology' it is as good as any other kind of '-ology'. Remember Auntie BT Colin? Mike in sunny and sticky Barcelona. NP - One Bourbon, One Scotch, and One Beer. John Lee Hooker. RIP. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:16:59 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) i feel the EARTH MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!! AND NO! IT'S NOT BECAUSE HELL'S DANCING the world is shaking shifting quaking because h e l l is having a birthday!!!!!!! the BIRTHDAY FAIRY IS NOT SURE whether it is still july in new zealand but the BIRTHDAY FAIRY says '' WHO CARES!!! '' H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y you wild woman you! the JMDL and the JMDL BIRTHDAY FAIRY ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:28:24 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC - heavy weather - NJC but it is true!! if you add a glass of water at 20c to a glass of water at 30c you don't get water at 50c. makes you wonder.... the answer lies in the nature of linear and non-linear functions. wallyK, so knowledgeable - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Mike Pritchard Enviado el: Jueves, 26 de Julio de 2001 12:27 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: NJC - heavy weather - NJC Homework Question: Is 36 C twice as hot as 18 C, and therefore four times hotter than 9 C? Answer: How could it be if 36 C = 98.6 F, 18 C =64.4 F, and 9 C = 48.2 F? Obviously 98.6 is not twice as much as 64.4 or four times as much as 48.2. Can any mathematician explain in more detail, please? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:03:08 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc The writing on that show is great! The early episodes were publicized as being written by whoever wrote American Beauty, and there is a similar starkness and honesty about the characters. I don't know if episodes being shown now are by the same writers, but haven't noticed any change in the style of writing. It's very sophisticated, full of quick little exchanges like the one from last night that Alison wrote out. And, pleasant surprise, it's not nearly as morbid as I expected it would be. I love the continual underlying contrast between the messiness of being alive (emotions and relationships and all that confusion, and the characters express all that so well!!) and being neatly dead and very contained. Can't get much more dramatic than that. Without being preachy, it makes life seem beautiful no matter how difficult it may be sometimes. Really a fantastic, can't-look-away show. Debra Shea P.S. Yeah, I love the music too. It's open-sounding and yet seems so ominous at the same time. Alison E wrote: > i am already addicted to "six feet under", it really > only took the first episode. and i'm absolutely in > love with the music from the opening credits! i hope > they put out a soundtrack soon. it is a brilliantly > written show. > > my favorite lines: > > him--"i love you, and i'm in this for the long haul, > but there is a limit to the amount of shit i will > take." > > her--"did you just make me a lifetime commitment > followed by a thinly veiled threat of abandonement?" > > him--"i don't remember using the word lifetime." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:09:28 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: truth exists truth exists... truth is real... independent of us... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:02:57 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) HAPPY FU*&ING BIRTHDAY HELL!!!!!! CAN'T WAIT TO MEET YOU IN TOPSFIELD Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:06:05 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) Paz wrote: > I picked up two new books by two of my faves, Tom Robbins and > John Irving (Fierce Invalids Home From Hot Climates and The Fourth > Hand). Michael, thank you so much for writing the above. Tom and John are also two of my favorite authors, and I'm especially delighted to learn that Tom has published something new! I've been smitten with his writing since "Even Cowgirls Get the Blues," which I first read while living in North Dakota in the late '70s -- and can I tell you that was one of the few times I was glad I was living on those frozen plains, because it gave me a better visual for the "Rubber Rose Ranch." It's difficult to pick a favorite Irving book, but "A Prayer for Owen Meany" stands out. I'll be heading to the bookstore soon! Lori in DC ~ Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:14:09 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC Identity njc colin wrote: > > > or people with wings!!!!! > > > wallyK, who just wants a nice ... oh well.... > > > > I'd like a nice... also. Are we talking about the same thing? Whatever, hmm, > > I'd like one too. > > definately one for our resident shrink, Terry! LOL! Hey, it's only because of years of therapy I can be so, hmmm, expressive. Time for more therapy you say? I'll let Terry concentrate on the people with wings, or even WallyK who gets excited about people with wings (!!!!!), or even you who gets concerned about people who get excited about people with wings. The good doctor has her work cut out for her. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:14:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: truth exists - --- shane mattison wrote: > truth exists... > > truth is real... > > independent of us... "So what I told you was true ... from a certain point of view." -- Obi Wan Kenobi ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Birthday Madness continues! NJC Just daydreaming about what Hell may be doing on this her very special Birthday! I don't know your party habits - YET, but might there be a few tall cans of Fosters involved? Anyway Hell have one helluva Birthday! See you soon. HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO HELL!!!!!! Peace Susan Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) - --- Catherine Udall Turley wrote: > I heard that the Utah Valley is the Prozac capital > of the nation, and also > leads the galaxy in sugar consumption. > Catherine T., who served an extended sentence in > Provo hey, don't look at me--i don't even like to drive through provo! it's true, they consume more jello and more ice cream per capita than any other place in the country. no, i'm not making a bad jello joke, it's actually true. more ice cream, more jello, more prozac, more religion... we thank our lucky stars theres a prison between the salt lake valley and utah/provo valley...along with the mountain range it provides a natural barrier! alison e. in nyc, but sounding very much like a UTARN today. np: tori amos, lust (so appropriate!) Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:11:42 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC Okay now... (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > Debra you are forgetting that the eternal rule that the universe must run by is : To each according to his needs. This is all part of Bush's New Five Year Plan. Im sure you agree with five year plans. Ill verify this with the Central Committee and make sure. marcel Sure, you do that, Marcel. Since you obviously know a lot more about the Central Committee than I do, knock yourself out. It's surprising that this message from you is actually a public message. I guess it wasn't nasty enough for you to have to send privately. For the record, the private message I received from you yesterday is the last one I'll tolerate. I've lost track of the number of times I've asked you not to email me privately, and yet you continue to do that. So, next time your private message will be forwarded directly to the list. Now that you know that, I'm sure your comments to me will be much less insulting since they will not remain private. Or, better yet, you will not send me any more private messages. I don't want to hear any bellyaching from you about me violating the "no posting private email" rule. You use that rule just to hide your nasty comments behind. So... no more. You've been forewarned. Debra Shea P.S. Sorry, jonilisters, for this. It's taken years for me to get to this point and to realize it's not something I can deal with on my own. I ask for your forbearance. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 11:08:11 +0000 From: Catherine Udall Turley Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) Mmmmmmmm, Jello. Catherine T. , who has not literally been in prison (yet, knock wood) Alison E wrote: > --- Catherine Udall Turley > wrote: > > I heard that the Utah Valley is the Prozac capital > > of the nation, and also > > leads the galaxy in sugar consumption. > > Catherine T., who served an extended sentence in > > Provo > > hey, don't look at me--i don't even like to drive > through provo! it's true, they consume more jello and > more ice cream per capita than any other place in the > country. no, i'm not making a bad jello joke, it's > actually true. more ice cream, more jello, more > prozac, more religion... > we thank our lucky stars theres a prison between the > salt lake valley and utah/provo valley...along with > the mountain range it provides a natural barrier! > alison e. in nyc, but sounding very much like a UTARN > today. > np: tori amos, lust (so appropriate!) > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:24:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i feel the > EARTH MOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!> > AND NO! IT'S NOT BECAUSE HELL'S DANCING > > the world is shaking shifting quaking because > H e l l > > is having a birthday!!!!!!! crikey! happy fucking birthday hell! let's get pissed! everybody scull! try not to spew! don't get in a prang! and by god, use the "dreaded lurgy" excuse tomorrow! (ok, i don't know what any of that means, but i visited that slang website kerry pointed out! thanks kerry!) anyway, i hope it's a most excellent day for you. all best, alison Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 13:51:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Susan Guzzi Subject: Many Thanks NJC Just a quick thank you to the birthday fairy and all my other pals, for all your good wishes! It was a nice day ... so long as I didn't look directly at my birth certificate. See many of you very soon! Peace Susan Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:00:33 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: A Challenge OK, here's the challenge...go to this guy's Joni Mitchell review website, and see if you can resist sending him a comment. http://www.geocities.com/mjareviews/jonimitc.html The hardest things for me to pass up: 1. The mention of the "rock and roll mandolin" on Blue 2. His comment "Two Grey Rooms is just plain boring"(!) Actually, I wish the guy was on the list...he's good and opinionated, and he likes Joni a lot. So when you send him that comment about whatever YOU have to respond to, invite him to sign up! :~) Bob NP: Spin Doctors, "Little Miss Can't Be Wrong" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:16:44 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC - heavy weather - NJC > Remember Auntie BT Colin? I certainly do! Maureen Lipman is a funny woman and a good actress. Hope we see her again soon. What about those Prunella Scales and Jane Horrocks ads then for Tesco? > > > Mike in sunny and sticky Barcelona. > > NP - One Bourbon, One Scotch, and One Beer. John Lee Hooker. RIP. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:19:53 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc > Embalming arose, in part, as a way of making sure the > person was really dead. perhaps it shouldn't have but this made me LOL! If they weren't dead before the mbalming they certainly were after it! Doesn't bear thinking about. When I am dead, absolutely definately dead, i want to be laid out somewhere for the wildlfie to eat. Up on a hilln top somewhere sunny. Or invite all my firends(if i have any by then)round for a BBQ. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:12:17 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) My friends and fellow listers, Yesterday I lashed back at Debra Shea in a fit of pique and said the following: > Debra you are forgetting that the eternal rule that the universe must run by is : To each according to his needs. This is all part of Bush's New Five Year Plan. Im sure you agree with five year plans. Ill verify this with the Central Committee and make sure. marcel>>> To which Debra wrote back: "For the record, the private message I received from you yesterday is the last one I'll tolerate. " As such I feel compelled to don the sack cloth and ashes and state the following in the faintest of hope that she will read this: Oh Debra, please accept my apologies. I sincerely regret ever insinuating that you are a marxist with my references to five year plans. I cant imagine where I got that idea from. It couldnt have been from your posts. I know you are one of the most unassuming, level headed, and open minded of all the people on the entire list. Your tolerance of others ideas knows no bounds. So if you could possibly find it wihin the rock in your bosom to forgive me I just know I will sleep better at night hugging my Richard Nixon doll wearing my Ronald Reagan cap. You see I was abused earlier in my life. First of all I had parents who were cruel and made me eat vegetables and everything. They MADE me come home every night at THEIR predetermined time. I was forced to read almanacs and things loaded with factual information instead of having the benefit of getting to believe myths and legends as reality as you were blessed with. Oh how I used light incense to Wicca and cry myself to sleep at night as a child begging to be left at the day care center. My mother coldly refused. We used to be dragged unwilling to places like Yosemite, Disneyland, and the Reagan Library instead of places where I could really learn something usefull like NOW headquarters. Of course my parents were mean spirited. But then that was my sorry lot in life. Instead of telling me wonderful legends about Soviet Heroes they bored me to tears with readings from the Federalist Papers. So as a person who grew up under such debilitating circumstances I know, being the boundless empathetic person that you are you will find it within your Jupiter sized heart to exercise all those timetested liberal values of tolerance and compassion that you lecture us, errr, share with us all the time on the list and forgive me. I know you will immediately understand in the perpetual demonstration of mercy and forgiveness that you exemplify all the time on this list, even though i dont deserve it. So as to not cause you even a minute of effort in the midst of your busy day I have posted this to the list myself. Marcel the Contrite. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:22:36 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: july 26!!!!!!!!!!! (NJC) I tried to send you a birthday wish privately, Hell but it wouldn't send. It said can't route to your addy. have no clue as to why. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:25:11 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: NJC Identity njc dsk wrote: > colin wrote: > > > > > or people with wings!!!!! > > > > wallyK, who just wants a nice ... oh well.... > > > > > > I'd like a nice... also. Are we talking about the same thing? Whatever, hmm, > > > I'd like one too. > > > > definately one for our resident shrink, Terry! > > LOL! Hey, it's only because of years of therapy I can be so, hmmm, expressive. > Time for more therapy you say? for who? you or me? Mind you, you know who could do with sevral years of it if it isn't already too late..... colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:30:09 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: truth existsNJC we have no way of knowing that. we can't get out of ourselves so we can only imagine Truth, not experience it thus we have no way of testing it. The only Truth we can know is our own idividual Truth. Absolute Truth is beyond our abilities to comphrehend. shane mattison wrote: > truth exists... > > truth is real... > > independent of us... - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 22:36:22 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) debra-ignore this infantile rubbish. better yet everyone ignore it. don't give the pay off. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 17:51:14 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > My friends and fellow listers, Yesterday I lashed back at Debra Shea in a fit of pique and said the following: > > > Debra you are forgetting that the eternal rule that the universe must run by is : To each according to his needs. This is all part of Bush's New Five > Year Plan. Im sure you agree with five year plans. Ill verify this with the Central Committee and make sure. marcel>>> > > To which Debra wrote back: "For the record, the private message I received from you yesterday is the last one I'll tolerate. " Your message about five-year plans is not the one I was referring to, Marcel, and you know that. > ...So as to not cause you even a minute of effort in the midst of your busy day I have posted this to the list myself. Thank you. That's all I'm asking of you. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:45:08 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) (snip) >To which Debra wrote back: "For the record, the private message I received from you yesterday is the last one I'll tolerate. " (snip) mercy and forgiveness that you exemplify all the time on this list, even though i dont deserve it. So as to not cause you even a minute of effort in the midst of your busy day I have posted this to the list myself. Marcel the Contrite. Hey, Debra just doesn't want any more private posts. What part of that concept's eluding you? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:09:13 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: truth existsNJC colin wrote: > we have no way of knowing that. we can't get out of ourselves so we can > only imagine Truth, You can't imagine truth. What you imagine is just that, imagination. Truth is reality. Reality is that which is real. If it didn't exist, we wouldn't be here. Our minds may not be able to reach reality, but with a clear mind, reality can reach the mind. > not experience it thus we have no way of testing it. > The only Truth we can know is our own idividual Truth. There's no such thing as individual truth. > Absolute Truth is > beyond our abilities to comphrehend. > > shane mattison wrote: > > > truth exists... > > > > truth is real... > > > > independent of us... > > -- > bw > colin > BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 > Duo80 > colin@tantra-apso.com > http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 14:27:30 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: truth existsNJC Well, this is an esoteric subject ;-) I think there are absolute truths but we only know in part most of the time. There is an individual truth as far as one's own personal life experiences and there are sometimes individual perceptions of absolute truths. This has been my individual perception ;-) Kakki > You can't imagine truth. > What you imagine is just that, imagination. > Truth is reality. > Reality is that which is real. > If it didn't exist, we wouldn't be here. > Our minds may not be able to reach reality, but with a clear > mind, reality can reach the mind. > > > not experience it thus we have no way of testing it. > > The only Truth we can know is our own idividual Truth. > > There's no such thing as individual truth. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 15:30:03 -0700 From: jan Subject: Re: truth existsNJC At 03:09 PM 7/26/01 -0700, Randy Remote wrote: >You can't imagine truth. >What you imagine is just that, imagination. >Truth is reality. >Reality is that which is real. >If it didn't exist, we wouldn't be here. >Our minds may not be able to reach reality, but with a clear >mind, reality can reach the mind. 'Truth' is the name of Jeff Beck's first album. - -jan :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:44:55 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: [NJC ] Oh Debra, Im reeely sorry... (md) In a message dated 26/07/01 22:21:51 GMT Daylight Time, MDESTE1@aol.com writes: << Oh Debra, please accept my apologies. I sincerely regret ever insinuating that you are a marxist with my references to five year plans. I cant imagine where I got that idea from. It couldnt have been from your posts. I know you are one of the most unassuming, level headed, and open minded of all the people on the entire list. Your tolerance of others ideas knows no bounds. So if you could possibly find it wihin the rock in your bosom to forgive me I just know I will sleep better at night hugging my Richard Nixon doll wearing my Ronald Reagan cap. >> And more in that downright barking vein. Marcel, are you mad? Can you really not see how demented this post of yours looks? Oh well, Azeem ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #314 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?