From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #313 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 26 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 313 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC Debt and taxes/Employment Numbers ["Brenda J. Walker" ] RE: NJC Identity njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: being calm and relaxed(NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Debt and taxes/Employment Numbers ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) [Michael Paz ] chat room time!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: NJC Identity njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: NJC Identity njc ["Sybil Skelton" ] this and that [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Weather (NJC) ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:07:23 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: NJC Debt and taxes/Employment Numbers Kakki wrote: > I wonder how many employment sectors are going to experience significant > losses, with resulting lay-offs and people out of work. The only sector I > keep hearing about is the dot.coms and people losing money in their stock > investments and also retirement plans. The dot.com crashes have badly > affected certain regions like in Northern California and there would be a > ripple effect in real estate, luxury items, fancy restaurants and other > sectors that depend on an upturned economy. I haven't heard of there being > a great national increase in unemployment, though. Maybe the numbers of > unemployed will not be significant enough to affect the tax revenues. Without taking a political stance one way or the other concerning the ongoing tax debate and in the spirit of learning the facts: Internet related companies (let alone dot coms) are the least of it. Job cuts have been creeping up in large amounts across various sectors since last year with huge leaps in the first two quarters of this year. Companies who have cut at least 1,000 jobs (with many cutting more than 5,000) this year include: Disney JDS Uniphase Worldcom Kodak Philips Unilever Dupont Northwest Airlines American Express Coca-Cola Verizon cut 10,000 and Lucent has cut 20,000. Continuing jobless claims (as of the report released on July 19) is up to 3,112,000 -- the highest since the fourth quarter of 1992 and the moving average for initial jobless claims has continually risen for the last 15 months. Manufacturing production has experienced nine straight months of contraction. Corporate earnings reports have been downright dismal. If you're not hearing about this, then read the financial press and watch the news on PBS (Nightly Business Report). (I also recommend the Vanguard Groups' "Economic Week in Review" which is conveniently delivered via email.) Even "news-lite" outlets like MSNBC have been covering the roll of corporate layoffs (See "The Layoff List: Casualties of an Economic Retreat" - http://www.msnbc.com/news/555872.asp?cp1=1#BODY. The numbers for July alone are fairly staggering.) Let's not kid ourselves; we can debate trickle-down economics as much as we like, but let's not deny that we as a nation are having major economic trouble. Let's hope that Greenspan's recent testimony is right and that there will be a recovery in economic growth later this year. Brenda n.p.: Bravo - Inside the Actors Studio ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:15:56 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) In a message dated 26/07/01 01:00:12 GMT Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << << Does anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? >> Do you play a musical instrument, Relayer? I don't play much of anything, but I've found that playing music is very relaxing. If you don't, consider taking one up... >> Playing the guitar is indeed relaxing - except if you're not very good and then try to practise after listening to Richard Thompson. Try listening to some Classical Indian music, it has a very relaxing effect because, broadly speaking, it doesn't "go anywhere" in the same way that most Western music does. It has a stillness that can be very calming. Or what about listening to the sea? If you can't get to the real thing, a good recording isn't a bad substitute - which gives me yet another chance to mention Pooka's album Spinning, which has a wonderful 15 minute section of the waves crashing against the shore - you can probably get whole CDs of stuff like that, just put one on, lower the lights, light a candle and a joss stick - and kick back! Happy chillin'... Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:16:34 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, (md-4) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > << proves the cold war was a farce all along, and Eisenhower was right about the military-industrial complex>>> > > Earth to Randy: 16% of taxes go to defense. Are you doing this ignorance thing on purpose or what ? Randy to Earth: Clarification: 54% of the $1.84 trillion federal spending for the next fiscal year goes to legally required entitlements: Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid and some smaller programs. 11% goes to pay interest on previous debt. Of the 35% left, $634 billion, "discretionary spending" $279 billion, nearly half, will go to the military. The Pentagon budget rose $13.5 billion last year under Clinton, the first increase since the cold war. U.S. defence is ten times the second place nation (Britian). Larger than the rest of the G-8 countries combined. Your 3% phone tax? Most of it goes to the military. While Bush is, of course, a major cheerleader for military expansion, it should be noted that the 'Star Wars' plan was revived by Clinton, and Gore's military spending plan did not differ much from Mr. Bush's. Where is the peace dividend? Are we more vulnerable to military threat than the other G-8 countries? Could all this money be used more productively; US and world hunger, maybe? Crumbling Schools? Does building up our war machine really make us (and the rest of the world) safer? RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 10:33:29 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: jonis speaking voice David Lahm wrote: >Sweet Bird" always reminded me of the phrase "Sweet >Bird of Youth," which was the title of a Tennessee >Williams play in the 50s but which, I suspect, >he was adapting from a much older source. The English poet John Milton also wrote of a "sweet bird"! I came across these lines recently: "Sweet bird, that shunn'st the noise of folly, most musical, most melancholy." (Il Penseroso) John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:37:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Identity njc azeem and y'all, i do highly recommend that you read the july issue of harper's magazine [and no, it's not harper's bazaar!!!!]. it has a mind-blowing article on radical plastic surgery: people that want to look like lizards and the woman that has changed her face to look like a cat. or people with wings!!!!! wallyK, who just wants a nice ... oh well.... - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de AzeemAK@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 25 de Julio de 2001 08:28 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: NJC Identity njc I'm watching an extraordinary programme on TV about identity (part of a series on Channel 4 called "identity crisis"), and it's pretty mind-blowing. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:37:35 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: being calm and relaxed(NJC) i have the same problem. something that has helped a lot is contemplation. everyone has a different way of doing this. some people pray, some watch an object, some sit still. i try induce myself into a trance by applying my senses to anything that might help me reminisce. sometimes a certain color or a melody or sitting in an empty church does it. i do it regularly. i'm sorry i can't be more precise. wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Relayer211@aol.com Enviado el: Miircoles, 25 de Julio de 2001 07:24 p.m. Para: Joni@smoe.org Asunto: being calm and relaxed(NJC) I am an extremely sensative,anxious,nervous person. I would love to be more calm and relaxed...I work a lot on this with my therapist. Does anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:45:36 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: ebay ripoff (NJC) << Is this guy ripping me off? >> Michael, what did the seller state in his ad? If he wasn't specific, you probably should have asked how much postage would be. I do know that shipping to Australia is expensive...We've had 2 increases in the last couple months, mostly bumping up international rates on packages. Still, I would think that shipping this single CD wouldnt cost what he's saying... What you COULD do is ask him to NOT ship the jewel case, just send you the cd in an appropriate slip case along with the inserts. That would cut shipping in half. Good luck! Bob, with a mittload of packages to ship himself! NP: Pearl Jam, "Yellow Ledbetter" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:13:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC > LOL! There was a great skit on mad TV last week about an elderly woman who wanders into the Oval Office and encounters a forlorn Bush who is upset because no one treats him like the President. She asks incredulously "Honey, didn't anybody tell you...you didn't win?" He asks what she means, and she replies "Honey, didn't they tell you? The other guy got more votes than you did!" > > I've been passing this tape around all over the place...its hilarious. > > Reuben I've been thinking about this skit all day because of recent discussions on the list. It is indeed, hilarious! Mark in Seattle who can't understand why anybody wastes the time, emotion & energy to discuss politics but will defend to the death all of your rights to do it - *as long as it's labeled NJC!* ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:26:53 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: ebay ripoff (NJC) Hi Michael, I don't think you're being ripped off. He's probably planning to send it by "Global Priority Mail" in the large envelope so there's room for protective padding. The cost isn't decided by weight; I was told by the PO clerk if the envelope can be closed it can be used. There are only two sizes: a small envelope for $5 and a larger one for $9. A cd with jewel case fits into the small envelope, but barely, so the case would probably be broken by the time it got to you. If the cd was sent without the jewel case, as Bob suggested, and just protected by cardboard it could probably be sent safely in the small envelope for $5. It can be sent by ship for about $4, but can take up to six weeks to get there. Global Priority takes a week at the most and sometimes only a few days. There was a huge price jump in January, almost doubling what international mail had previously cost. If you want to investigate further, here's info from the US Post Office itself, complete with calculators and price charts: http://www.usps.com/ Good luck with sorting this out. I look forward to your MOA review once it's arrived and you've had a chance to experience it. atb, Debra Shea young Michael wrote: > Hi all > > I recently won an auction on ebay for a Miles Of > Aisles CD(last one to complete my collection)I got it > for US$8 and thought great. I got in contact with the > guy and he wants to charge me US$9 to post it from The > US to Australia.I went to the post office here in OZ > and found out the postage for the same thing from here > to US .. AUD$4 which is US$2. I'm sure the postal > charges in the US can't be that expensive. Is this guy > ripping me off? I'm writing this little whinge cause > I'm sure someone here will be able to tell me the real > postal charges so as I can get back to this guy with > what I'm willing to pay. > > Cheers > Michael...... Australia > - Voice chat, mail alerts, stock quotes and favourite news and lots more! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:43:24 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: NJC Debt and taxes/Employment Numbers > Internet related companies (let alone dot coms) are the least of it. Job cuts > have been creeping up in large amounts across various sectors since last year > with huge leaps in the first two quarters of this year. Companies who have cut > at least 1,000 jobs (with many cutting more than 5,000) this year include: The company I work for laid off 640 people nationwide last month. It's an air express company and the main reason for our economic woes is that most of our large corporate accounts (IBM, Xerox, Dell Computers, etc) are having to tighten their belts and are therefore sending less express mail. My job isn't the most challenging or fulfilling and I'm certainly not going to get rich doing it. But at the moment I'm not in any kind of position to have to look for another one. I will gladly take my $300 when it comes but I really don't see how the refunds are going to do much to 'jump start' the economy. I realize that $300 may make a big difference to some people in more desperate straights than I'm in but, really, how far does $300 go these days? As Suzanne Sugarbaker would say 'Oh, big woo!' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:59:06 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC Identity njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > azeem and y'all, > i do highly recommend that you read the july issue of harper's magazine [and > no, it's not harper's bazaar!!!!]. it has a mind-blowing article on radical > plastic surgery: people that want to look like lizards and the woman that > has changed her face to look like a cat. Is that the NYC woman who looks like a lion now? She was married to the very wealthy owner of Wildenstein Galleries and just kept getting plastic surgery, and when one doctor refused to do any more operations, she found another. I don't think she planned to end up looking like a cat, but she really does. Her face is so tight it looks painful. It's fascinating and repulsive too, which adds to the fascination of course. I'll have to check out Harper's. > or people with wings!!!!! > wallyK, who just wants a nice ... oh well.... I'd like a nice... also. Are we talking about the same thing? Whatever, hmm, I'd like one too. Shea NP: The new HBO show, Six Feet Under. Is anyone else getting hooked on this? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:24:50 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: was Identity, now Six feet Under njc In a message dated 7/25/01 9:59:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: > NP: The new HBO show, Six Feet Under. Is anyone else getting hooked on this? > Me me me!!! it's up there with sex and the City and the Sopranos!! LOL I attended catholic school with children of an undertaker in town. I think there were 9 children total. I remember years later one the older sons had an open house party at their home while the parents were vacationing. The house was a very large old Victorian. The Funeral parlor was in a different location though. We managed to wander into the parents bedroom where a bulletin board hung on the wall with all these pictures of dead people. I guess they were friends or loved ones. It gave me the heebie jeebies. Needless to say, I left the party soon afterwards. I can't imagine would it would be like embalming a dead person, but I guess someone has to do it. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:30:08 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) This made me laugh as I am the same way with movies. i just don't have the storage space available anymore to retain all this info. I do so love books though and while I was shopping for a book for a friend last week I picked up two new books by two of my faves, Tom Robbins and John Irving (Fierce Invalids Home From Hot Climates and The Fourth Hand). Tom is especially dear to me as all of his books have made me roar with laughter (so important to me) I especially loved "Still Life With Woodpecker", "Another Roadside Attraction" (where he nails the Catholic Church), and "Jitterbug Perfume". Irvings "The World According To Garp" had me singing his praises for years when I was in college. When they finally made it into a movie I was just bowled over by Robin Williams as Garp and of especially John Lithgow as Roberta Muldoon. I since have met Lithgow and spoke to him at length about the movie and the book. It was one of the first books that I have read that I was totally disappointed with the movie afterwards. They were equally as good, but still different. I started the Tom Robbins book first on my recent trip to NashVegas and I am already hooked. I plan on enjoying this book thru this next month and hopefully it takes me thru my trip to Topsfield. Rounding out the top five fave authors would be: Gabriel Garcia Marquez (100 Years of Solitude) , Julio Cortazar (Hopscotch), and tie between Steinbeck and Hemmingway. I have enjoyed this thread. I also really enjoyed "The Book of Daniel" by E.L. Doctorow and "Mosquito Coast" by Paul Theroux and "Don't Stop The Carnival" by Herman Wouk. Paz on 7/24/01 5:08 PM, Catherine McKay at anima_rising@yahoo.ca wrote: > --- Mags wrote: >> >> Mags, who thinks the southern Ontario humidity is >> really getting to her. >> >> (Catherine tell them how horribly humid and awful >> the air is these days!!) >> >>> > > Oh, fine. I was enjoying my lurkdom - I haven't > understood a damn thing going on around here lately, > esp. the I-Ching stuff - so many listers seem to > understand it, to me it's just a big qu'est-ce-que > c'est??? The weather here HAS been pathetic and > dismal. If it had gotten any more humid, I'm sure > we'd all have sprouted gills. Even a few good scary > thunderstorms (couple of people out your way killed by > lightning, eh?) couldn't dispel it. Now, though, the > humidity is blowing out. It is still eerily hot, (is > it just me, or is the sun really hotter than it was > when I was a kid?) but I think - I hope, I remain > hopeful - once the sun goes down, it's going to cool > right off. when in doubt, talk about the weather. > What's it like in the rest of the world? I suppose > for Wally it's winter! > > Catherine, who usually enjoys books while she's > reading them, but then almost immediately forgets what > they were about - I suppose I could read the same book > over and over again and get away with that, but I don't. > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 21:36:35 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) LOTS of medication! Martinis do it for me. Also playing music. LOL Paz on 7/25/01 3:24 PM, Relayer211@aol.com at Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I am an extremely sensative,anxious,nervous person. I would love to > be more calm and relaxed...I work a lot on this with my therapist. Does > anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:33:45 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: chat room time!!! njc Anyone for a chat? rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 23:35:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NJC Identity njc oh what synchro!!!!!! my friend in boston is taping 6 feet under for me!!!!!! and the woman did want to look like a feline!!!!! it's all in the harper's piece. xoxo wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de dsk Enviado el: Miircoles, 25 de Julio de 2001 10:59 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: NJC Identity njc Wally Kairuz wrote: > azeem and y'all, > i do highly recommend that you read the july issue of harper's magazine [and > no, it's not harper's bazaar!!!!]. it has a mind-blowing article on radical > plastic surgery: people that want to look like lizards and the woman that > has changed her face to look like a cat. Is that the NYC woman who looks like a lion now? She was married to the very wealthy owner of Wildenstein Galleries and just kept getting plastic surgery, and when one doctor refused to do any more operations, she found another. I don't think she planned to end up looking like a cat, but she really does. Her face is so tight it looks painful. It's fascinating and repulsive too, which adds to the fascination of course. I'll have to check out Harper's. > or people with wings!!!!! > wallyK, who just wants a nice ... oh well.... I'd like a nice... also. Are we talking about the same thing? Whatever, hmm, I'd like one too. Shea NP: The new HBO show, Six Feet Under. Is anyone else getting hooked on this? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:25:37 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: NJC Identity njc Shea wrote: NP: The new HBO show, Six Feet Under. Is anyone else getting hooked on this? Me, me, me! Isn't this just the best show?! God bless HBO. Sybil NP: Sgt. Pepper, the ONLY Beatles album I own. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 00:01:41 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: this and that Hey Joniacs - I've had to go into lurk mood because I've been swamped with work and am about halfway through writing a science fiction novel I've been meaning to write for nine years, but I wanted to respond to a few things. Regarding Joni's stories, some of us have heard a young Joni talking about the writing of "Carnival in Kenora" and how she admits to giving all the wrong folklore about this place. She told people that Kenora was an Indian name and it meant "lake of many pontoons". She then goes on to talk about the real Kenora, a small town in Ontario, that she had only glimpsed once from the wrong side of the train. The reason she used "Kenora" is because it goes well with Carnival. Carnival in Kenora has consonance and assonance and sounds much prettier than "Carnival in Sudbury." I was also struck with a somewhat incomplete story she told about the missing cat who inspired "Man From Mars". She once told a local D.J. that the song took two weeks to write and at the end of writing it, the cat came back. What a fitting ending. However, she tells the more complete story in a different interview where she talks about painting a picture of the cat and using that picture for a flyer. The flyer worked, and she went to pick up the cat from a neighbor. In the previous story, it sounded like the cat came back to her. She also mentions that the cat ran away from her after she manhandled him by the tail for peeing on her chairs. That may be why she didn't tell the whole story. Joni's whole life has been about exploring personas - she is all and none of the guises she has assumed. It's interesting to hear early recorded conversations with her when she was a folkie and Baez was her model and she speaks in deeper alto tones. Later, her speaking voice was very high and childlike during her feminine Ladies of the Canyon period when she personified the hippie chick/earth mother. Everyone who was attached to this image of her was jolted when she appeared on the cover of Hejira with make up, a beret and a full length mink coat. Both my sister Jill and I (hi!) have heard interviews with Joni where she is pouring on the Canadian accent which vanishes all together at other times. I remember straight friends of mine in the Seventies who all loved David Bowie getting ready to see him in concert. These were all men who put on make up and glitter and midriffs and four inch platforms during the glam rock days. When they finally went to see Bowie, he walked out wearing a short hair cut, no make up and a suit. So many artists have manipulated their personas in order to maintain a mystique. Frank Sinatra was also brilliant at it and changed his personas throughout his career. I liked him when he came off as the lonely, urban male with a raincoat over his shoulder, a pork pie hat tipped jauntily to the side, and songs about both loving and losing. What singers do is the same thing that fiction writers do: they tell lies that tell the truth. I could segue that into another Eminem discussion ... Incidentally, thanks to Mark D. for a great job on the tabs of Carnival In Kenora. Such a pretty, pretty song that someone should make more famous. And as for Colin's comment about there being no culture in America - hello? How about jazz, rock and roll, Hollywood, Frank Lloyd Wright, Hemingway, Fitzgerald, Dickinson, Whitman, Thoreau, Emerson, etc. etc. I will quote what one famous Englishman had to say about his own culture: "The only thing worse than English music and English painting is English food." On the food part, I must completely concur and whenever I am in London, I would starve except for restaurants operated by Indians, Chinese, French and Italians. Colin's right about Bush though and his unpopular stance regarding the Kyoto treaty. We had some bad blood on this list during the election controversy, but Colin should keep in mind that many, perhaps most Americans, do not accept Bush as our genuinely elected official. After a recent New York times report, it looks as if Gore (a staunch environmentalist) not only won the popular vote, but the votes of Floridians as well. Putting two oil men in the Presidency is like putting the wolf in charge of the sheep when it comes to the environment. I personally am embarrassed to be a part of a culture that consumes 26 per cent of the world's goods, creates most of its air pollution, and is ultimately trying to sustain a standard of living which is damaging and unsustainable. Regardless, much Joni and good summer tidings to you all! - - Clark NP: Radiohead, Amnesiac ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 18:33:15 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) Catherine wrote: > In my ignorance, I always thought of NZ as a > *tropical* country! We're actually sub-tropical, which means we get everything! Seriously, we do get all the extremes of weather. The temperatures in the South Island have been below freezing over the last few weeks, and we've had some pretty major avalanches in the Southern Alps, which basically run the length of the South Island. The film Vertical Limits was filmed there because apparently it's the closest resemblance to the Himalayas (and it's reasonably accessible). The Tasman Glacier (which I've been to) is the largest in the Southern Hemisphere outside Antarctica - pretty impressive up close. Then you get the North Island in summer, which can get incredibly hot. The Bay of Islands is a beautiful spot in summer, and gets loads of tourists (tourism is our highest paying industry). We're pretty lucky that our landscapes are so diverse. There's major geothermal activity in and around Rotorua, in the central North Island - mud pools, geysers, hot pools, etc. Not far from there at Waitomo are some amazing limestone caves, with huge stalactite/stagmite formations, and glow-worm caves, which are toured in complete darkness in a small boat - an amazing experience. Wild terrain on the West Coast (Xena and Hercules were filmed just west of Auckland). And Fiordland at the south-western most part of the South Island is pretty spectacular too - which you would expect from the name! All in all, it's a pretty cool place to live! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #313 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?