From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #312 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 312 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC ["colin" ] Re: Weather (NJC) ["hell" ] Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Music Festivals This Summer NJC ["Ian Scott" ] Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion ["colin" ] July 25!!!!!!!! njc ["kerry" ] Slang dictionaries njc ["kerry" ] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY Joni content! [Mags ] Re: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion [Mags ] metric illiterate (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] "Candles In The Rain", "Halellujah" (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: 5 Very Easy Pieces NJC ["Ian Scott" ] Re: Weather (NJC) ["Sybil Skelton" ] Shawn [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY steamed [Jerry Notaro ] Re: NJC Okay now... [dsk ] [none] ["David Valdez" ] Re: Weather (NJC) [colin ] being calm and relaxed(NJC) [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: july 25!!!!!!!! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Weather (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Weather (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: NJC Voodoo ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: NJC Voodoo ["Kakki" ] Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: NJC Okay now... (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] NJC Identity njc [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] ebay ripoff (NJC) [=?iso-8859-1?q?young=20Michael?= Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC - -------Original Message------- From: Kate Bennett Date: 25 July 2001 04:58:50 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC Colin wrote, "If the people don't want this to happen, don't vote them in." We didn't (running swftly for cover) but someone did Kate! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:29:03 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC Catherine wrote splendidly: All this to say, my main concern for my kids is that they end up decent human beings who have respect for themselves and others - the rest will follow in its own time. colin replies: This is brilliant and exactly what children need to be taught-to be themselves, love themselves and accpet themselves. If they do, everyhting esle will come. people who accpet htemsleves and love themselves will accept and love others.Children are not here for us to mold into what we want them to be. It would seem tbnat to many children are to be controlled and molded or else they will grow into something monstrous. The end relsut of this conroll and ,molding is that we end up with children who cannot accpet others, who are full of fear and hate, and who turn out to be just what we didn't want. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 20:31:13 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) Sybil wrote: > As I write this, the time is half past midnight. The air temperature is 87 > F. and the relative humidity is 55%. The high temperature today was 100. > This is fairly typical for this time of year - it's been like this for the > last few weeks. In August it gets hotter. I remember last Labor Day (first > Monday in September for the non-U.S.)sitting outside and hearing the > temperature reported at 112! By October, though, the weather will be > absolutely, achingly exquisite. Sometimes I think the only reason I stay is > for October. > > By the way, how warm is 30 C? I am metric illiterate. 30 C is about 86 F. To calculate from Celcius to Fahrenheit, multiply by 9, divide by 5 then add 32. To go from Fahrenheit to Celcius, subtract 32, multiply by 5, then divide by 9. I must say, I also always have a quiet laugh when people complain about "high humidity" and they're talking about 50-60%. Over here in summer we can get days where the temperature is in the high 20's - low 30's (80F - 90F), but the humidity can be as high as 90-95% - and it lasts all day and night. Now that's unbearable! And most people over here don't have air-conditioning in their homes, so it's a case of opening every window in the house, and turning on every fan. Either that, or just sit in a swimming pool somewhere! Mind you, when the humidity is that high, it's like having a warm shower all day anyway! Yuck! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:49:07 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion Bob wrote 'After all, she doesn't lie. Joni speaks the truth as she sees it, no matter how much it hurts. That'd be a refreshing change in a president, wouldn't it? ' Intersting...I believe she believes in the truth as she sees it...I suppose that's why I like her...I kind of agree with her politics with a small 'p' ...here comes the big BUT ( one 't' only....though some would call me a big arse) it is her version of reality. I'm sure Richard Nixon or Jeffrey Archer (disgraced British politician and Peer of the Realm sent to jail recently) believe(d) in their preceptions of reality too. Without getting too phenomenologist about it, we all have our unique versions of reality and that's fine. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..... I'm not so sure about that .....hmmm..nah...no such thing. Whoever was looking for the Joni music books ..........I just successfully bid for the Court and Spark and Blue Songbooks on eBay last month . They come up regularly...once every couple of months. You may have to pay @ $30 for each tho. Have a good day y'all... Vincent Van Gogh ( who shot himself and died two days later) PS I will probably stop the famous suicide 'sign offs' soon ...honest. Would I tell a lie? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 05:06:15 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) hell wrote: > <<30 C is about 86 F.>> and that is without the humidity (melt). > > > < "high humidity" and they're talking about 50-60%. Over here in summer we > can get days where the temperature is in the high 20's - low 30's (80F - > 90F), but the humidity can be as high as 90-95% - and it lasts all day and > night. Now that's unbearable! And most people over here don't have > air-conditioning in their homes, so it's a case of opening every window in > the house, and turning on every fan. Either that, or just sit in a swimming > pool somewhere! Mind you, when the humidity is that high, it's like having > a warm shower all day anyway! Yuck!>> the tiny little flat on the second floor of an older brick house that i currently call home holds onto the heat of the day for dear life.. trust me when i say it is HOT here (melt). We do not have air conditioning (melt), only a ceiling fan in the LR (melt). It IS hot. Unbearably so. I have the headaches and the insomnia to prove it (melt). This conversation around feeling the heat or cold as it were reminds me of the two years I lived in Winnipeg (Canadian prairies)...flat open land..... if you stand on the corner of Portage and Main in the centre of winter there...with the wind chill factor whipping against your body, you can expect to be surrounded by - -60 degrees. The weather network give little warnings which flash red across the sky that say "hey, if you are out longer than 30 seconds, your skin begins to freeze." A comforting thought. The humour lies within the fact that some people will tell you that you dont feel the cold out west because it is a "dry" cold. The heat...well It's all relative...I havent slept properly in a while because of it. I guess some people feel it differently than others. Or something. Nevermind. Going back to bed now. still melting magsie ;-) > > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:15:17 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Re: Music Festivals This Summer NJC Jenaya, You are right. It was Nina Simone. Ian >Nina Simone wrote "Young, Gifted, And Black" I think there may have been >a co-writer. > >jenaya > >NP: "Peace and Quiet" The Michael Dickes Situation > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Ian Scott >To: >Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:27 AM >Subject: Music Festivals This Summer NJC > > >> Anyone going to any good music festivals this summer? I'm going to the >> Bishopstock Blues Festival: Van Morrison, Nina Simone, Peter Green etc. >Should >> be good. >> >> Trivia question: Who wrote the song, "Young, Gifted and Black"? Wild >guesses, >> please. No looking it up! >> >> Ian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:09:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... <> No, Joni wasn't a part of the Live Aid concert, maybe you're thinking of the Farm Aid gig, which she WAS a part of. She has been involved in several other bennies as well, and she seems to pick the ones she most whole-heartedly agrees with. Her contribution to the "Live Aid" project was as a contributor to the Canadian 'version' of "We Are The World", a song called "Tears Are Not Enough". Bob NP: Rumba Club, "Sonaremos El Tambo" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:29:17 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion Without getting too phenomenologist about it, we all have our unique versions of reality and that's fine. The truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth..... I'm not so sure about that .....hmmm..nah...no such thing. you are quite right! Absolute Truth is something NO ON E knows. All we know is what percieve individually to be the truth, or relaity. Each of us percieves differently and our experiences are different so our constructs of meaning are diffferent. we cannot step outisde of this either so all is subjective and cannot be objective. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:31:33 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > > < Enough".>> Bob, the Tears Are Not Enough video you mention is wonderful and emotional...have you seen it? It demonstrates a nice friendship/closeness between Joni and Neil Young who was in it too. tired magsie, up now weather report: cooler than it was :-))) > > > Bob > > NP: Rumba Club, "Sonaremos El Tambo" - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:32:55 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: July 25!!!!!!!! njc HAPPY BIRTHDAY, SUSAN!!!!! The lioness women are multiplying!!! Look out Ashara!!!!!! Have a great one! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:37:47 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Slang dictionaries njc I was looking a word up from a Joni article that I had never heard (snarkey?) and I stumbled across these slang dictionaries. They're really fun! I never knew that fanny means something totally different in England! British-American, American-British: http://www.travelfurther.net/dictionaries/dictionaries.htm This one has more naughty words :>): http://www.peevish.co.uk/slang/f.htm and even Kiwi slang: http://www.chemistry.co.nz/kiwi.htm#l&p Enjoy! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:39:22 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY Joni content! Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > > << > president. > Although her Canadian birth makes her ineligible to run for president of the > US, maybe we could join with Canada in creating a special one-time office for > Joni -- President for Life of North America! She could run on the > Folk/Rock/Jazz Ticket, since I'm sure she'd never want to be a part of any > established Canadian or American political parties. > > So vote for Joni Mitchell -- She rules!>>> Bob, I think this is a brilliant solution to the political ills of both our countries. The only change I would make to your plan is to incorporate the US as another province...or I suppose we could consider making it a new territory because of its geographical size. All we need to do now is break the news to our Joni and Monsieur Chretien. Mais oui. Mags. > > > Take care, > > --Bob > > NP: Chelsea Morning > > :-) - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:39:54 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC <> I actually put very little emphasis on his grades. How someone responds to a test and how much education they receive can be two very different things. By the same token, I want him to be able to have the flexibility to pursue his dream, whatever it may be. Sadly, in our culture, lots of opportunities are closed to those with limited education. I would hate to think that as a parent I limited what my child's options would be by de-emphasizing his education, or not encouraging him to do his best. Of course, I'm nuts about him (and tell him so) no matter what. And in the longrun, of course, you're right...giving someone character and values and enabling them to be emotionally healthy and happy is ultimately more important than making grades that will eventually be forgotten... Like the comedian said, Parenting is a tough job. It's an EASY one to get, though! ;~) Bob NP: Mainstreet, "Chelsea Morning" (an acapella women's group from Roanoke College in Salem, VA...very ethereal sounding...) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:48:25 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... <> If I have, I don't recall it. I know that I've heard the song...maybe if someone has a copy we can seed a video tree or something! Bob NP: Mainstreet, "Only A Dream" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 08:53:21 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Im always true to you darlin' in my fashion colin wrote: > > > < is what percieve individually to be the truth, or relaity. Each of us > percieves differently and our experiences are different so our constructs of > meaning are diffferent. we cannot step outisde of this either so all is > subjective and cannot be objective.>> I agree with you Colin....truth is a relative thing. I also agree about the subjectivity of our truths too. Makes perfect sense to me. As a wise man once said .... it's all a matter of perception ;-) Mags. > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:39:25 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC I found it ironic that when the energy "crisis" was fading and gas prices dropping and bush was trying to salvage his energy "plan" (read: drill, drill, drill), his sound bite was "when there is not an immediate crisis that is evident, it is hard to get people to think long term." It would be nice if he could apply the same logic to the kyoto treaty. bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Remote" To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:08 AM Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC But more to your point, I think it is disgraceful that Bush is torpedoing (is that a word?) the global warming talks, and that he has the audacity to link the Star Wars boondoggle to nuclear arms reduction talks. I completely understand when you and others say they feel he is making the world a less safe place. And you are right-to line the pockets of his cronies. Shame on us for letting young Caesar assume the throne-he's obviously not all there. And none of this is in defense of Clinton-he's on his own! RR, unhappy that 60% of our taxes go to the military- proves the cold war was a farce all along, and Eisenhower was right about the military-industrial complex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:40:01 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: books-n-stuff NJC This is an interesting thread. I noticed that people my age and down seem to have gotten very strangely treated as children...very different from my parents' generation (I'm 26). I certainly would have had my tail pulled (and how!) for swiping candy as a child, but I had friends who certainly would not have recieved the same treatment. I baby sit for a friend of mine, children are 6 and 2. The six year old I absolutely cannot deal with sometimes, because she's been treated with such kid gloves her entire life. She likes me, but can't stand me at the same time because I don't put up with her nonsense. I often find myself explaining the "why's" with "because I'm an adult. And when you're an adult you get to decide", and "because it sometimes stinks to be a kid!!", both of which make me feel very, very old, and a lot like my father, who said similar things to me. My parents live in the suburban Boston area, where the priviliged children have become such a problem that many restaraunts and shops have a "no-kid" policy. Parents are outraged, but the rest of us feel relieved sometimes. These are strange times! I've been out of Joni-cyber-space for a while. Its nice to see these familar names again! Reuben in Philadelphia >>>Unfortunately, "perfect" children are too often planned for, and thought of as, an accessory of the successful life ... no more or less important, but every bit as necessary as the Nanny service you employ to raise the little darlings for you, the 4+ bedroom house 45 miles from work, the mammoth SUV to take you back and forth at 12 mpg, where you struggle to keep up with the upper-half-of-one-percent income club.<<< ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:43:34 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC yeah, his name was Scalia... bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "colin" Colin wrote, "If the people don't want this to happen, don't vote them in." We didn't (running swftly for cover) but someone did Kate! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 09:58:21 EDT From: Reuben3rd@aol.com Subject: Re: Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC Colin wrote, "If the people don't want this to happen, don't vote them in." And Kate retorted: We didn't (running swftly for cover) LOL! There was a great skit on mad TV last week about an elderly woman who wanders into the Oval Office and encounters a forlorn Bush who is upset because no one treats him like the President. She asks incredulously "Honey, didn't anybody tell you...you didn't win?" He asks what she means, and she replies "Honey, didn't they tell you? The other guy got more votes than you did!" I've been passing this tape around all over the place...its hilarious. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:49:01 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, (md-4) <<>> Earth to Randy: 16% of taxes go to defense. Are you doing this ignorance thing on purpose or what ? 64% of all tax revenues go towards transfer payments from Social Security to welfare to medicare etc. The remnaining 20% goes for all the programs people argue about. Ill send you the official chart from OMB if you want. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:47:41 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: 5 Very Easy Pieces NJC Ian Scott wrote: > > Trivia question: Who wrote the song, "Young, Gifted and Black"? Wild guesses, > please. No looking it up! Well, I had the album by Nina Simone so I'll guess her. I bought it for her amazing renditions of Who Knows Where the Time Goes and Black Is the Color. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 07:59:12 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: metric illiterate (NJC) Sybil wrote: >By the way, how warm is 30 C? I am metric illiterate. Check out http://www.french-property.com/ref/convert.htm#length and scroll to the bottom. A site that will convert all things (to and from) metric. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:17:23 +0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: "Candles In The Rain", "Halellujah" (NJC) I've been a long fan of Melanie's "Candles In The Rain" and had sought out the single which has a B-side containing the acapella and spoken poem track which sets up the gospel intro for "Candles." They are chilling when played together with the appropriate rest placed between the tracks. I don't know if the original album release of "Candles In The Rain" was laid out similarly but it's a dynamite combination. I've long wondered how "Candles In The Rain" hasn't become a poignant anthem for benefiting AIDS charities. On a happier note, I am thankful to Dreamworks for having included the obscure Leonard Cohen song (from his 1985 collection "Various Positions"), "Hallelujah" on the Shrek sountrack disc. It has made me smile, musing as I hear my six year old son sing the refrain from another room in the house. Rufus Wainwright's soulful version proves he is a superb interpreter for Cohen's work. While the track was a standout within the film, it's even better when able to be heard in it's entirety on its own. I'm very glad that the film's producers added this track to the mix of otherwise pop candy. Hopefully it's quality will be appreciated by other young people and remembered. CC "You are a holy man on the FM radio." -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:21:41 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Re: 5 Very Easy Pieces NJC Jerry, You are right. I'm excited about the rare opportunity to see Nina sing live in England this summer. "Who Knows Where The Time Goes" is a beautiful song - I had the original Fairport Convention version on vinyl, but when I hear it now, the words make me so sad to think of Sandy Danny dying, tragically, so young. Ian >Ian Scott wrote: > >> >> Trivia question: Who wrote the song, "Young, Gifted and Black"? Wild guesses, >> please. No looking it up! > >Well, I had the album by Nina Simone so I'll guess her. >I bought it for her amazing renditions of Who Knows Where the Time Goes and Black >Is the Color. > >Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 10:32:37 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) Mags wrote: >The humour lies within the fact that some people will tell you that you >dont feel the cold out west because it is a "dry" cold. This logic always baffles me too. I also hear that about the "dry" heat in places like Arizona and Nevada. Well, it's a dry heat inside my oven too, but look what it does to a chicken. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:34:32 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Shawn dsk wrote: > NP: Shawn Colvin, Shotgun Down the Avalanche, live. (Thanks, Catherine; I love > this song and especially this version; the guitar playing sparkles.) A real classic. Because of some wonderful JMDL trade I have it live with Shawn and Mary Chapin Carpenter. A real winner. Jerry, excited about seeing Mary Chapin for the fifth time next Friday. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:41:21 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY steamed Kakki wrote: > > I don't see how having my money tied up with the government is going to help > our economy. If I get to keep more of my money, I can put more of it back > directly into the economy. There's more refunds to come. The IRS tells us > they have a surplus and that we've been overcharged. Voodoo economics. It does no good for us to have a few extra dollars to spend when the result will be higher national debt in the trillions. Who do think pays that debt? All of us. We did not get a refund because we were overcharged.. We got a refund because the President and the Congress gambled that there would be a continuing economic boom for the next few years. The political decision to do so is up for discussion. But the economic facts are that we will have to dip into Medicare monies to pay for the shortfall. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:44:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY steamed dsk wrote: > > > I compare the tax rates here with other countries and the top federal rate of > around 30% doesn't seem so bad to me. I can understand that other people might > not agree and feel like that's way too much to be paying. As my CPA says, Give me the extra income and I'll gladly pay the tax on it. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:30:30 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: "Candles In The Rain", "Halellujah" (NJC) This prompted me to pull out the old Melanie albums to refresh my memory. The "Candles in the Rain" album does have the opening chant and poem leading into the song. I don't listen to the old vinyl much as my turntable is getting rickety, but I was inspired to put this one on and listen. Good point about the AIDS connection. Sybil >From: "c Karma" >Reply-To: "c Karma" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: "Candles In The Rain", "Halellujah" (NJC) >Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 15:17:23 +0000 > >I've been a long fan of Melanie's "Candles In The Rain" and had sought out >the single which has a B-side containing the acapella and spoken poem track >which sets up the gospel intro for "Candles." They are chilling when >played >together with the appropriate rest placed between the tracks. I don't know >if the original album release of "Candles In The Rain" was laid out >similarly but it's a dynamite combination. I've long wondered how "Candles >In The Rain" hasn't become a poignant anthem for benefiting AIDS charities. > __________________________________ _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:41:04 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: "Candles In The Rain", "Halellujah" (NJC) Sybil Skelton wrote: > This prompted me to pull out the old Melanie albums to refresh my memory. > The "Candles in the Rain" album does have the opening chant and poem leading > into the song. I don't listen to the old vinyl much as my turntable is > getting rickety, but I was inspired to put this one on and listen. Good > point about the AIDS connection. And it is still powerful when Melanie sings this live. She is a great storyteller and I see her live as often as I can. When I was singing with Mason Dixon many moons ago, we did Ohio then blended it into Candles In the Rain in 3 part chant harmony. Bowled over the audience every time. Jerry np: New Order: Blue Monday ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 13:37:33 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY laughing (md) <<>> <<<60% of my taxes go to defense spending>>> These are just two of the statements that people have made on the list about the Federal Budget. There have been many many more just as erroneous. It goes to show how horribly misinformed (indoctrinated might be a better word)people are and why they believe the things they do. After all if budgett shortfalls immediately drained Medicare funding all the old people whould die and or suffer. Right. In fact during the 30 years the Democrats held both houses of congress (and the Presidency)we ran huge deficits. HUGE relative to any benchmark at that time. Any old people cast out the window to die by the Democrats ? Hardly. Funding increased every year without fail WITH huge deficits. Same as with the Republicans. So where do people get this clearly erroneous "fact". Same with the preposterous Kyoto treaty which hamstrings the US economy but leaves India and Red China (whose combined CO2 output is greater than the US) free to pollute all they want and without any evidence that the Global warming "theory" has any basis in fact. Oh yeah I know the lefty politicians and in particular the Media (92% who voted for Clinton by poll)the ideological zealots (leftist scientists who omit contrary opinons from their reports and data) have made statements but its like all the prior jihads of the left from the "Global Cooling" theory (proven by "scientists" then to be a threat)of the seventies (remember that) to the Malthusian global starvation predictions of the 60's that ignored advances in agriculture. The fact is that almost none of the Eurpean countries signed the thing either and neither did Japan. Of course the media implied otherwise and thats what many choose to believe. There must have been alot of cars running around in the year 12,000 BC because we had this enormous ice age and as we all know it had to be caused by pollution. And what melted all that ice in 10,000 BC why of course Golbal Warming. Suprise !!! I understand that paleontologists led by Al Gore have unearthed a large tomb in Asia where they found 2 billion SUVs buried and fossilized so the theory is proven. News at 11. I spent a great edeal of time discussing this with a list member and he sent me all sorts of charts and I could easily point out that CO2 levels were about the same as now in 1100ad and other times as well. It fluctuates. And not because of the US economic output. Prior to 1500ad Newfoundland was about the same as South Carolina in climate. Grapes were grown there. Later it froze as it is today. Must have been all those gas guzzlers the Vikings imported from Eric the Red that did it. Ive been reading all these things and all I can say as a 30 year professional immersed in economics and its relation to federal spending the amount of misinformation being voiced in general is substantial. To think that people are choosing political solutions based on fantasy and myths is frightening yet that is what certain politicians rely on to gain power. Gee, which party is he talking about. Hint: Richard Gephardt at a 1994 press conference: "There are going to be bodies hitting the streets I tell you." All it takes is some research and effort and one can actually separate truth from propaganda on these issues. I realize of course that to find out the truth just might disrupt some favored prejudices. The real question is do people want the truth or do they feel better harboring myths. I think politicians rely on peoples willingness to believe myths and not seek the facts. Personally i dont care what people want to believe but I have found that the myth lovers are the first to criticize those who prefer the facts. While some facts can be debated others are incontrovertable.The percentages of federal spending are among them. Federal Spending is an easy thing to get from the government in pie chart format. happy to send it to whoever wants it. Happy to discuss off list with anyone. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 14:11:30 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY laughing (md) Sorry Marcel. But with phrases like "ridiculous assumptions," "preposterous." "lefty politicians," and "idealogical (sic) zealots," you are the one sounding indoctrinated. Contrary to your message I said "dip into Medicare monies" not "immediately drained Medicare funding." To support my statement: Copyright 2001 The Kansas City Star Co. THE KANSAS CITY STAR July 23, 2001, Monday METROPOLITAN EDITION SECTION: OPINION; Pg. B4 LENGTH: 430 words HEADLINE: Taxes and Social Security BODY: In the drive to cut taxes this year, President Bush and Congress ignored the federal tax that hits the vast majority of Americans the hardest: the payroll tax that supports Social Security and Medicare. This was an odd omission because this tax (noted as FICA on pay stubs) has been responsible for most of the federal budget surpluses that were used to justify the tax cuts. Instead, Social Security was put on the back burner until after Bush had won congressional approval for his plan to cut the regular federal income tax and the estate tax. Now the president's special commission on Social Security reform is finally getting under way. As a result, the hazards of approving regular income tax cuts first and looking at Social Security reform later became painfully apparent late last week. On Friday - the day Vice President Dick Cheney made a high-profile visit to Kansas City to tout the new cuts in the regular federal income tax - The Kansas City Star carried a story raising the possibility that Social Security taxes could soon be going up. The story was the first in what will no doubt be a series of dismal reports from Bush's bipartisan Social Security commission. In a preliminary report, that panel said Social Security is facing "a fiscal crisis" and cannot meet its promises to future retirees without cutting benefits, borrowing huge amounts of money or raising taxes. If benefits are cut, by definition it means Social Security will not be "meeting all of its promises." The second option, massive borrowing by the federal government until all the retired baby boomers die, would be irresponsible and probably impossible. That leaves the third option: tax increases. Bush hopes that the federal entitlement system can be fixed by establishing personal retirement accounts and cutting back on some "guaranteed" Social Security benefits. It is difficult to see how this idea alone, however, could bail the government out of trouble when so many older baby boomers are within just a few years of retirement. So more money will probably be needed from somewhere. Social Security's approaching crisis got little attention as Cheney and other politicians were celebrating the mailing of the tax refund checks during his Kansas City visit. But that celebration is likely to grate on the millions of federal taxpayers who did not get a tax cut - particularly if they hear more talk in Washington this year about possible increases in the federal tax that hits them the hardest. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 11:49:34 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Voodoo Jerry wrote: >Voodoo economics. It does no good for us to have a >few extra dollars to spend when the result will be higher >national debt in the trillions. Who do think > pays that debt? All of us. Tens of millions of people all across the country are each going to get $300-600 over the next few months. I don't know the exact total of monies being disbursed but most of it will be spent right away. It's not going into a black hole. All of that money as it is spent will shortly find it's way going back directly into federal, state, local, FICA and sale taxes. So I don't understand the voodoo argument of it and why people think it is putting some permanent hole in the national debt. > The political decision to do so is up for discussion. But >the economic facts are that we will have to dip into >Medicare monies to pay for the shortfall. I clearly recall during the 2000 presidential campaigns and debates that Al Gore also had a tax cut/refund plan on his agenda. I remember many opinion wirters in the newspapers pondering how his plan was almost indistinquishable from Bush's plan. Would so many of you who are now criticizing this refund be doing so had Gore been elected and done the same thing? Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 17:40:05 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC Okay now... Jerry Notaro wrote: > from THE KANSAS CITY STAR > > In the drive to cut taxes this year, President Bush and Congress > ignored the federal tax that hits the vast majority of Americans the > hardest: the payroll tax that supports Social Security and Medicare. > > This was an odd omission because this tax (noted as FICA on pay > stubs) has been responsible for most of the federal budget surpluses > that were used to justify the tax cuts. > ... > But that celebration is likely to grate on the millions of > federal taxpayers who did not get a tax cut - particularly if they > hear more talk in Washington this year about possible increases in > the federal tax that hits them the hardest. It's especially grating because only wages up to $80,400 are taxed for Social Security, so it's not a program that any of Dubya's pals are putting much money toward. Dubya's main concern with this program will be how he can benefit his wealthy pals and one way is to privatize part of Social Security. So he's been suggesting that very thing. With that, his pals will not only pay a relatively tiny amount of tax they can also make money off of the people paying the most tax. The banking industry will LOVE that!!! And we'll be told it's all for our benefit... Our selected president is not very bright but he sure is a sly fox when it comes to selling out the majority of the people in this country for the benefit of a few. Debra Shea ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:09:13 -0600 From: "David Valdez" Subject: [none] I'm new to this discussion list. I've read some posts where some of you have some recorded interviews of Ms. Mitchell and/or recording of some of her performances. How can I get a hold of some of these recordings. Big fan for years, unfortunately I have never had the pleasure of attending any of Ms. Mitchell's live performances. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 22:22:00 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) > This logic always baffles me too. I also hear that about the "dry" heat in > places like Arizona and Nevada. Well, it's a dry heat inside my oven too, > but look what it does to a chicken. LOL! But I can tell you the difference in 'dry' heat and humid heat is obivous when you are experieincing it. dry heat is better. Not so oppressive. I used to live in Australia and the heat was dry and not so bad as in Singapore which was not as hot but was humid. Mind you, i have experinced heat well over the 100's in Australia and dry or not, it was not pleasant! bw colin > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:24:21 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: being calm and relaxed(NJC) I am an extremely sensative,anxious,nervous person. I would love to be more calm and relaxed...I work a lot on this with my therapist. Does anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:40:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: july 25!!!!!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > la guzzi is having a birthday!!!!!!! > > > susan: your name is SO SUNDAY AFTERNOON OPERA! > Wally, you are so right! I knew the name sounded familiar, but couldn't figure out why before now. Happy birthday, Guzzi Girl. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:44:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) - --- hell wrote: ! > > Yes, and it's winter down here for me too. Cold and > wet. Although today > was sunny, which makes a nice change - still cold > though. > In my ignorance, I always thought of NZ as a *tropical* country! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 18:48:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Weather (NJC) - --- Sybil Skelton wrote: > By the way, how warm is 30 C? I am metric > illiterate. > It's about 90F. The *real* way to figure it out is to multiply the C temp by 9, then divide that by 5, then to add 32. (So it's actually only 88 F). The quick and dirty way is to multiply the C temp by 2, then add 30. Good enough, and good enough is best! Catherine, who believe air conditioning probably IS the best invention of all time. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 16:11:20 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC Voodoo Kakki wrote: > > I clearly recall during the 2000 presidential campaigns and debates that Al > Gore also had a tax cut/refund plan on his agenda. I remember many opinion > wirters in the newspapers pondering how his plan was almost > indistinquishable from Bush's plan. Would so many of you who are now > criticizing this refund be doing so had Gore been elected and done the same > thing? Then you clearly recall that Al Gore's proposal was vastly different than Bush's. Far less drastic, tied only to the monies coming into the government, greater cuts to the less wealthy, far less to the wealthy. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 12:14:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Voodoo No, I don't recall that - probably because I just took what the media told me at face value - that they were indistinquishable. Another example of why we should all research and know the facts. Kakki > Then you clearly recall that Al Gore's proposal was vastly different than > Bush's. Far less drastic, tied only to the monies coming into the government, > greater cuts to the less wealthy, far less to the wealthy. > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 16:02:29 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I am an extremely sensative,anxious,nervous person. I would love to > be more calm and relaxed...I work a lot on this with my therapist. Does > anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? 1. Work out to burn off nervous energy and increase endorphins 2. Learn self-hypnosis to reprogram 3. Take up the drums (they have electronic pad setups with headphones if you have nearby neighbors) 4. Smoke alot of weed (actually it might make you more paranoid) 5. Have sex 3 times a day (can substitute once a day for 3 hours) 6. Meditate-doing no-thing will get you in touch with your anxiety quickly; what are you waiting for? Nothing! 7. Take up writing; novels, short stories, non-fiction, whatever; if your mind is racing-wind it out! RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:19:08 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC Okay now... (md) Debra you are forgetting that the eternal rule that the universe must run by is : To each according to his needs. This is all part of Bush's New Five Year Plan. Im sure you agree with five year plans. Ill verify this with the Central Committee and make sure. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:28:29 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC Identity njc I'm watching an extraordinary programme on TV about identity (part of a series on Channel 4 called "identity crisis"), and it's pretty mind-blowing. There is a slot about "furries", people who dress up in animal costumes for a lot of the time, a sort of fetish I guess. It's extremely poignant in that a lot of the people who dress up like this, or who alter the persona they present to the world, are very lonely and have been rejected when younger. Thinking about it, this sort of ties in with some of the stuff about children that we've had on the list of late; what rejecting children can lead to. The saddest segment was about a woman called Cindy Jackson, who's in the Guinness book of Records for having the most plastic surgery - 27 operations, just about every part redone, some more than once. She explained that she'd always felt invisible next to her very pretty older sister - even though she was by no means ugly, she was unfavourably compared to the sister, and ended up having all this stuff done to her. To my eyes, she now looks like a ghastly caricature of femininity. She said that it had been painful, and it wasn't what she really wanted to do - but that it was worth it because "this is what it took for people to like me." Jeez, how tragic is that? Azeem in London NP: a Scotsman who has changed his name to Wild Bill Hickock and dresses as a cowboy in black only... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 19:43:53 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: being calm and relaxed(NJC) << Does anyone have any ideas about becoming more calm and relaxed? >> Do you play a musical instrument, Relayer? I don't play much of anything, but I've found that playing music is very relaxing. If you don't, consider taking one up... Of the suggestions that Randy gave, I'll second the one about working out...burns off a lot of nervous energy! Bob NP: Bob Schneider, "Metal & Steel" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2001 09:45:56 +1000 (EST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?young=20Michael?= Subject: ebay ripoff (NJC) Hi all I recently won an auction on ebay for a Miles Of Aisles CD(last one to complete my collection)I got it for US$8 and thought great. I got in contact with the guy and he wants to charge me US$9 to post it from The US to Australia.I went to the post office here in OZ and found out the postage for the same thing from here to US .. AUD$4 which is US$2. I'm sure the postal charges in the US can't be that expensive. Is this guy ripping me off? I'm writing this little whinge cause I'm sure someone here will be able to tell me the real postal charges so as I can get back to this guy with what I'm willing to pay. Cheers Michael...... 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