From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #310 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 24 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 310 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: July 24 [les@jmdl.com] leo njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Orange County njc [colin ] dubya does well NJC [colin ] Re: books NJC [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC ["K] Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY steamed ["Kakki" ] Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) [Mags ] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC ["c] RE: Seeking Joni Interview Participant Info. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Birthday thanks njc ["kerry" ] SS Protection for Ms. Clinton NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC [Df] Re: jonis speaking voice, Long [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: jonis speaking voice, Long Now NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Re: books-n-stuff NJC [Jerry Notaro ] Friend lost songbooks ["Andrew M. Shaw" ] Re: books-n-stuff NJC ["colin" ] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC ["c] RE: [jonifan@clearsong.com] books NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC ["] Re: books-n-stuff NJC [Don Rowe ] NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: books NJC ["colin" ] Music Festivals This Summer NJC ["Ian Scott" ] Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC ["c] 5 Very Easy Pieces NJC ["Ian Scott" ] Re: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC ["colin" ] Re: Music Festivals This Summer NJC ["Jenaya Dawe" ] Do you like pina coladas? njc njc [FromThePlanet Geeeek ] Re:weather NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY steamed [dsk ] Re: (NJC) Okay now I'm REALLY steamed (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 03:11:56 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: July 24 On July 24 in Joni Mitchell History: 1983: Joni performs at Jones Beach in Wantaugh, New York - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 04:32:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: leo njc my first love, the man for whom i wrote a novel, was a leo. his birthday is today. he is 45. when i was 15 years old i met daniel at church. he was 21. he was talking to a group of teenagers in a semi-circle next to the tabernacle. they had just finished a retreat. it was a summer afternoon, a week before my 16th birthday. a painfully bright afternoon, breezy, and still cool in the shade. i had been relentlessly followed by an older gentleman, the kind of homosexual you don't see anymore these days: grey hair, sun glasses, a silk scarf. i was lean, muscular, tanned. i took refuge in the church. the old gentleman said, ''you are so hard-hearted. what have they done to you, child?'' i turned my head towards the altar -- not necessarily looking for divine help but rather trying to get away from the gentleman's perfume. and there he was. daniel. light blue shirt and jeans. hazel eyes. god had been infinitely kind but so unwise to create such a beautiful man. how could we pray not to be led into temptation when we would sooner die than be delivered from evil? daniel worked in a factory and he studied history. even at 21 he had a bald spot, his sandy hair unfashionably longish for 1976. his brow was so like james taylor's. i didn't know james taylor then. i started buying his records because he looked like daniel. i loved daniel in silence, in whispers, in screams. i loved him so much that i gave him the manuscript of the only novel i ever wrote on his 23rd birthday, on july 23 1979. i gave him the manuscript so that he could do what he pleased with it. if i had had a child i would have given my child to him. if i had had the body of a woman i would have given my body, my youth, my immaculate obsession to him. my soul would have been my dowry. as it was, he never read my novel. daniel lastra. his last name was an anagram of astral. all the crazy things i did for and over you. why, daniel, i haven't changed a bit. look at me now, still speaking about you. you must have children now. soon they will be the age i was when i first saw you. wallyK to all the leo men in the world, especially pat siresorrow ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:24:23 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Orange County njc Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/22/01 1:28:05 PM, colin@tantra-apso.com writes: > > << we all know america has no culture............ >> > > Don't let Carly hear you say that, Colin! :-) Too late. She knows she is excepted tho! > > > --Bob - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:33:46 +0100 From: colin Subject: dubya does well NJC I am so pleased to hear/read that Mr Bush has looked after the interests of his country so well at the G8 summit. You should all be proud that he thought of you guys first and didn't give in to the idiots wanting to stop the pollution of our planet. He has his priorities right-your pockets. good for him. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 05:04:52 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: books NJC In a message dated 24/07/01 01:50:00 GMT Daylight Time, patrickl16@earthlink.net writes: << my favorite author ever? robertson davies. start with 'the deptford trilogy', very available in the viking edition paperback, even in most of your used-book stores i'll bet. >> Well Patrick, call me Exhibit A: I've just finished the Deptford trilogy, and I did indeed find it in a secondhand book stall, for the princely sum of about 4 bucks. It's as stimulating and engrossing as you'd expect from him, although if pressed I'd still say I prefer the Cornish trilogy. I've got The Cunning Man waiting in the wings... My current reading is somewhat different: Why You Don't Need Meat by Patrick Cox. In a sense it's preaching to the converted, though that didn't stop me wincing at several points. Its description of the BSE (Mad Cow Disease) fiasco in Britain mixes farce and tragedy in equal proportions, and, most tragically of all, prefigures the current Foot & Mouth crisis in most particulars. The most impressive thing about this book is the exhaustive research (I'm not going into that now, I don't feel like starting a war :-) - and it's actually very well written too. Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 01:27:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC Bob, I couldn't agree with you more that these children and their families lives are disrupted through no doing of their own. If Chelsea needs protection for the next few years because their is some threat to her, she should have protection (although the parents could certainly afford private security, no?). It's a first to procure this for adult children of presidents who have left office. Maybe if he had at least run it by Congress or at least some kind of oversight first, it would sit better with me. So much of what they have done seems extra-legal, frankly, but that's just me. It doesn't make me an evil Clinton hater (my emotion toward them is alarm, not hate) or heartless, it just baffles me on many levels why people ignore their actions and then try to turn it around on people who object to them. I have worked on Justice Dept. cases and have personally seen people prosecuted and indicted for much, much, much less. I'm really not trying to make some kind of statement for my "side." I just truly don't get it. I think that I am just very unhip and unsavvy politically, but I worry about the downward slope of questionable precedents regardless of who is making them. I don't think those we elect to public office should be exempt from and above the law, they are not supposed to have unilateral powers and they shouldn't get too fat on their perks, in general. Sure, I'm "naive" and they "all do it" but that explanation will never sit well with me. > Remember when lots of people were outraged by how much money the government > spent looking for JFK, Jr.'s plane? I couldn't share their anger because I > think that, as public figures, the children of presidents are a unique breed > who deserve a few concessions from the American public they have been thrust > upon and -- too often -- devoured by. I was outraged by their anger - as if that family (and JFK, Jr. himself) had not already given enough to their country. It was appalling for anyone to question the search. All just MHO Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 02:37:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY steamed Debra, > Oh, puh-leeze, he signed a directive for a few months of continuing protection, > which may extend until she finishes her education. Hardly lifetime > protection!!! The right-wing press is playing up the "forever" aspect, rabid > Clinton-haters that rightwingers are. In the same directive he also extended > protection for Al Gore. All I wrote was "open-ended term" for Chelsea which is was it is. The larger rhetorical question about lifetime protection was more general. > Considering the hatred some people feel for the Clintons, which is obvious even > on this list, I think it's a good idea that Chelsea have continuing protection. > Until when? Until the rightwingers find another target to project their inner > hatefulness on. Maybe China will kick in soon. Um, some people don't like them enough to hate them. As for Chelsea, I've always felt very sorry for her and don't envy her at all starting off at Oxford saddled down with the SS. > There's so much talk in general about Clinton's Executive Orders it seems he's > the only President that ever signed them. Here's the link to all of the EOs: > http://www.nara.gov/fedreg/eo.html#top. There isn't one about Chelsea's > continuing protection. It was a special directive made on January 19th. > P.S. And $300 to buy my vote? Don't think so, especially since the refunds > jeopardize the future of programs beneficial to most of us (but not ones that > Dubya's pals will need). Sheesh, then why not spend yours directly on your favorite worthy cause? - more direct and probably better spent than better than letting it filter through the bureaucracy on its way to perhaps a program you don't agree with. Maybe we should get back to discussing Jenna's margaritas ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 06:47:51 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > <> and speaking of weird...has anyone read Sleeping in Flame by Jonathan Carroll or the Girl in the Flammable skirt by Aimee Bender? Weird and wonderful all at once. > << My favorite book of all time, the > funniest book I have ever read, is Fanny Flagg's Fried Green Tomatoes At The > Whistle Stop Cafe. It's better than the movie, although the movie is very > good, too.>> Fried Green Tomatoes is a fabulous film with a wonderful ensemble cast. I especially enjoyed Kathy Bates and Jessica Tandy. The book is on my list of things Ive been meaning to read. Getting into my latest discovery 'Equal Music' even further, I highly recommend it. Especially if you are moved by classical music and the notion of living in London. And then there is the love story spoken from the inside of a deeply wounded heart. Mags, who thinks the southern Ontario humidity is really getting to her. (Catherine tell them how horribly humid and awful the air is these days!!) > > > - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:17:42 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC she should have protection (although the parents could certainly afford private security, no?). Why should threy pay out of their own pocket when they are in this situation because they chose to serve the American people? Or is the office of President not considered service anymore? if people's lives are at risk because of what they do for their country, then the country has a moral obligation to protect them. This applies to anyone in this situation, whether they are liked and respected or hated and vilified. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:05:13 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: Seeking Joni Interview Participant Info. <> No, Lindsey, it hasn't been treed...only a teeeny portion of the available interview material has been treed, probably because of a lack of interest of folks for dialogue over music, which is a shame because Joni's interviews are always so insightful & compelling. If you want a list of all the interviews I have for transcription to the articles database, lemme know, I'm happy to share! Bob NP: Stones, "Brown Sugar" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:15:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... <> Joni's Wembley show in London '83 was a part of the WTRF tour, not an Amnesty show. The Amnesty benefit show she did was 6/15/86 in East Rutherford, NJ. Getting back to the '83 appearance, which is most likely the one you want...there is an audience recording of the complete show, and an incomplete recording made from the television broadcast. I don't have any video from that, but I do have both of the audio's. Bob NP: Sergio Mendes & Brasil '77, "Chelsea Morning (live)" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 07:21:51 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Birthday thanks njc THANKS, everyone for the birthday wishes!!!!! Since it was the first time in about 10 years that I had to WORK on my birthday, it made my day to see your messages first thing in the morning!! Take care, Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:47:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: SS Protection for Ms. Clinton NJC Of course we need Secret Service protection for Bill & Hillary's daughter! If something was to happen to her, there would be a great... ..Chelsea Mourning... Sorry. Bob NP: John Hart Trio, "Both Sides Now" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:17:20 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC Whether you were referring to only the Clintons or all ex-officeholders I must protest that your words "they chose to serve the American people" is a generous--and IMO unwarranted--simplification of motive. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:20:38 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: jonis speaking voice, Long "Sweet Bird" always reminded me of the phrase "Sweet Bird of Youth," which was the title of a Tennessee Williams play in the 50s but which, I suspect, he was adapting from a much older source. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 10:35:22 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: jonis speaking voice, Long Now NJC Dflahm@aol.com wrote: > "Sweet Bird" always reminded me of the phrase "Sweet Bird of Youth," which > was the title of a Tennessee Williams play in the 50s but which, I suspect, > he was adapting from a much older source. Here from Artistic Director Michael Kahn : It was, but I think Sweet Bird of Youth is a better title. It means the same thing. "Sweet bird" suggests that, almost before we know it, youth flies away. Youth is sweet and has a buoyant quality, while the enemy, time, is what makes the sweet bird fly. Tennessee was very careful about his titles. The play, which has its lyric and lurid moments at the same time, is about the end of a lot of things. That's the dramatic cliff Tennessee constructs for us: All the characters are on their last chance. No one escapes having to choose, but it's fascinating to see what each of the characters do when faced with their choice. Interestingly, the title of one of his greatest works, A Streetcar Named Desire, was originally very bland: The Poker Game. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 08:01:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: books-n-stuff NJC RE: NP: The Smiths, "Shoplifters of the World Unite" (Now there's a thread...true confessions, have you ever shoplifted and what's the most expensive thing?) When I was 5, I was in a department store with my mom. We walked by the candy counter. Back in those days, the candy was sold bulk in big bins. The store clerk would bag up what you wanted. Well, the bin of malt balls was at the end of the counter, and I had a weakness for them (still do), so when the clerk turned his back, I snatched a couple and popped them into my mouth. A couple of aisles away, my mom saw me chewing, and confronted me. I tried to lie, to no avail. The truth came out, and she marched me back to the candy counter, terrified and crying, made me tell the clerk that I stole and pay for the candy. I still remember that lesson clearly, and I've always had a huge aversion to shoplifting. I stole an ink pen from a drugstore when I was in 7th grade, and I was so stressed about it that I ended up throwing the pen away. Those are the only things I've ever shoplifted. There's a book thread going through the list now, so here's what I'm currently reading: Lies my Teacher told Me: Everything your American History textbook got Wrong by James Loewen. A good book-really interesting and eye opening. Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:07:52 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: books-n-stuff NJC Tyler Hewitt wrote: > The truth > came out, and she marched me back to the candy > counter, terrified and crying, made me tell the clerk > that I stole and pay for the candy. > I still remember that lesson clearly, and I've always > had a huge aversion to shoplifting. How well our generation remember those lessons. Nowadays the mother would have berated the shop clerk for leaving the candy out in the open to tempt her precious son. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 09:54:15 -0700 (PDT) From: "Andrew M. Shaw" Subject: Friend lost songbooks Sorry if this is inappropriate, but I need help. My friend lost 2 of her original songbooks: + Blue + Court and Spark She hasn't played in a long time, but it would be good for her to get back to it (long story of life gone awry). Anyway, I've done a lot of web searching (she's done a lot of actual foot- work) with no results. Can anyone help me find these? (She doesn't want anthologies; I'm not sure whether this is due to emotional reasons, or because the music is different). Thanks, and sorry again, Andrew - -- ===== Give a click to send free food to thehungry: http://www.thehungersite.com/Win a free VXA tape drive:http://www.ecrix.com/extreme/index.cfm?ref=66094 Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:02:14 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: books-n-stuff NJC How well our generation remember those lessons. Nowadays the mother would have berated the shop clerk for leaving the candy out in the open to tempt her precious son. two things sruck me about this rsponse; how sad it is you don't know any good parents and two: how jaded and old it sounds. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 18:11:36 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC - -------Original Message------- From: Dflahm@aol.com Date: 24 July 2001 15:16:46 To: colin@tantra-apso.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC Whether you were referring to only the Clintons or all ex-officeholders I must protest that your words "they chose to serve the American people" is a generous--and IMO unwarranted--simplification of motive. DAVID LAHM I am sure you are tright. i can think of all sorts of reasons why they would try for President and other offices but officially 'to serve' is the reason. From what we see on the news etc, that is how the Pressies are seen and revered regardless of the truth. Personally, I think it has much more to with ego and power hunger than anything else and the public are stupid enought o fall for it and vote for it. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 12:12:36 -0500 From: jonifan@clearsong.com Subject: RE: It's been awhile since I posted but thought my joni friends would be interested in this. The cover I did of "Willy" has been played a lot on the radio (probably more than my own songs!) and I've gotten lots of nice press for it around. For anyone who might be interested: I have short interview on This Way Out, a syndicated show that probably plays on a station near you. See http://www.qrd.org/www/media/radio/thiswayout/stations.html or check out the streaming version with your RealAudio or Windows Media player at http://www.planetout.com/pno/radio/programs/two/ (the show entitled "the week of July 23, 2001") and should be available all this week. Don't forget to stop by and spin the wheel (http://clearsong.com/wheel/)to win a tee shirt or free CD and why not say hello (http://clearsong.com/gbook.html) and read the latest guestbook entries. Richard _____________________________________________ Richard Isen Clearsong Records . . .because a song is like a good companion. please visit http://www.clearsong.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:07:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: books NJC i've been re-reading the same books for the last ten years. thanks to holliston i added wonderful robertson davies to my list, but all in all, i always read the same books. i believe in: muriel spark nancy mitford e.f. benson p g wodehouse alice munro patricia highsmith ivy compton-burnett robertson davies guy de maupassant fay weldon saki evelyn waugh and a few more i can't remember now. i always read the same books. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 11:52:24 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC > Why should threy pay out of their own pocket when they are in this situation > because they chose to serve the American people? Or is the office of > President not considered service anymore? Well..... They came out of their "service" with millions of dollars more in their pocket than when they went in. They've purchased homes for several million, rented offices for hundreds of thousands, signed book deals for millions, earn hundreds of thousands in speaking and appearance fees, have wealthy friends who pay off many of their bills and then there are those pesky questions about money changing hands for pardons. > if people's lives are at risk because of what they do for their country, > then the country has a moral obligation to protect them. I would guess they are more at risk for personal choices and deals they made that had nothing to do with the good of the country. Even so, if Chelsea is at risk in anyway she should certainly have some kind of protection. If the risk is so grave that she needs several professional SS agents to adequately protect her, than so be it. But why couldn't her father have gone through the appropriate channels and asked for an exception to the law, rather than to do it unilaterally during his last few hours in office? > This applies to anyone in this situation, whether they are liked and > respected or hated and vilified. What is really ironic is that the Clintons are the last ex-presidential family who will have lifelong SS protection. The law was changed during his administration in 1997 to allow only 10 years of protection after leaving office for all subsequent ex-presidents and spouses. The law regarding protection of the children only extends until they are 15 years old. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 13:32:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: books-n-stuff NJC - --- colin wrote: > two things sruck me about this rsponse; how sad it > is you don't know any > good parents > and two: how jaded and old it sounds. Unfortunately, "perfect" children are too often planned for, and thought of as, an accessory of the successful life ... no more or less important, but every bit as necessary as the Nanny service you employ to raise the little darlings for you, the 4+ bedroom house 45 miles from work, the mammoth SUV to take you back and forth at 12 mpg, where you struggle to keep up with the upper-half-of-one-percent income club. "Remember, we CAN have it all ... compromise & sacrifice are simply not necessary. To think or act otherwise will be taken as a sign of weakness by the very people you're trying so desperately to impress." So the mantra seems to go ... And if it sounds jaded ... well how many "My Child Is An Honor Roll Student at ________ Pre-Kindrgarten" bumperstickers can you look at every day and still maintain the ability to see the glass as half full? Of course, this is coming from the husband of a couple that's already made the ultimate expression of total cowardice ... the carefully considered and thoughtful decision not to have children. Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:57:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC <> Well put, Don, and I stand & applaud you and your wife for your decision...when my wife wanted a second, I did what Nancy Reagan taught me...I just said no, and convinced her (after some time) that with her going back to school to become a math teacher and throwing herself into that that she wouldn't have time to commit to more children. It's worked out great for all 3 of us, and yes my son IS an honor roll student, but you wouldn't know it from looking at my vehicle...you know it from the way he acts. I remember overhearing a co-worker on the phone talking to a friend about his expectant wife and saying "Debbie & I have decided that we're not going to let this baby change our lives...", I laughed out loud, and told him that that was sorta like saying that one would not let a hurricane muss their hair! ;~) Bob NP: Rolling Stones, "Lady Jane", Ed Sullivan show '66 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:41:27 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: books NJC Wally wrote: fay weldon Colin replies-I too have read sevral fay weldon novels.(Praxis, Puffball, Lives and Loves of a She devil which was made into an awful film). however, I have never read a novel more than once. I read non fiction many times if I enjoyed it but have never re read a novel. John does tho. I also read Cornwall, Minnette Walters,use to read King and Koontz and Herbert. read sevral other authors too but can'tthi k who-usually cos I have only read one by them. Love th Maupin books and have recently read all of the Harry potter books. they were wonderful. I hope the film is good. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:27:42 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Music Festivals This Summer NJC Anyone going to any good music festivals this summer? I'm going to the Bishopstock Blues Festival: Van Morrison, Nina Simone, Peter Green etc. Should be good. Trivia question: Who wrote the song, "Young, Gifted and Black"? Wild guesses, please. No looking it up! Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:52:32 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed, adult children of presidents ... NJC Well..... They came out of their "service" with millions of dollars more in their pocket than when they went in. They've purchased homes for several million, rented offices for hundreds of thousands, signed book deals for millions, earn hundreds of thousands in speaking and appearance fees, and all previous Presidenat are now poor and made no money from their position? If the people don't want this to happen, don't vote them in. have wealthy friends who pay off many of their bills and then there are those pesky questions about money changing hands for pardons. this latter comment has nothing to do with whether or not Chelsea should have protection. i find it odd that people are still so willing to vilify Clinton for whatever it is thought he did wrong(and I would not defend any wrong doing) yet no mention is made at all about Bush's disgraceful attitued at the G8 summit and his attitude to the rest of the world, to women's rights etc. JNot to mention Bush's lies and deciet about his eductaion and his DUI, and drug taking etc. The mad even said he had been sober for years yet was filmed drinkign alchohol recently(tho before he was Pres). I support niether of your presidents. I cannot support people with blood on their hands, who send people to the exectuion chamber, especially when they are metnally chlalenged people. I am trying to point out that niether man is clean no matter how you paint it. I don't feel any better about our own politicians. i went off them a while ago when it dawned on me that NONE of them ever answer a question. even those I thought I respected do it-evade the question, won't answer or give the 'party' ansswer. i can't respect people I do not trust. End of story. So i am niether a Clinto supoporter nor a Bush one nor a Blair supporter. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2001 00:49:58 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: 5 Very Easy Pieces NJC 5 very easy pieces: Anyone going to any good music festivals this summer? I'm going to the Bishopstock Blues Festival: Van Morrison, Nina Simone, Peter Green etc. Should be good. Re. the Joni and the movies debate, as I'm currently heavily into "Yvette in English", I would say that if you could equate Joni's music with a film, that film would be "The Umbrellas of Cherbourg". Perhaps, with a little dash of "Breakfast at Tiffany's" thrown in. Does anybody else like "Ally McBeal"? I love it - I mean her - I mean Calista Flockhart. Is that uncool? I am going to finish my little Isle of Wight Festival story, but I want to do it when the mood is right. Trivia question: Who wrote the song, "Young, Gifted and Black"? Wild guesses, please. No looking it up! Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:01:04 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC Bob wrote; us, and yes my son IS an honor roll student, but you wouldn't know it from looking at my vehicle...you know it from the way he acts. I think it is good that your son is an 'honour roll' student, which I take it means he does well with his school marks. (the next two paras are not sepcifically about you, Bob) Howevrer, I have always found it strange, and sad, that whilst I hear parents praise their children because they do well at school or have become doctors or lawyers or a Major or whatever, I have NEVER heard a parent priase their child because they are kind, caring , compassionate, tolerant, patient, happy, giving, etc. And what about all those children who are just not very intelligent? those not on the honour roll? are they to be dismissed because their iq is not up to expectation? Or what about those with other disadvantages? Yoiu can only work with you have. One very good reason why the so called fairness of a meritcracy is bullshit put about by those who prefer not think about those of lesser inteligence and/or abiltiy. we are not born equal no matter how we may kid ourselves. Society is geared for the haves and enables them to have more. The rest can go to hell it seems. And they do. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 15:24:54 -0700 From: "Jenaya Dawe" Subject: Re: Music Festivals This Summer NJC Nina Simone wrote "Young, Gifted, And Black" I think there may have been a co-writer. jenaya NP: "Peace and Quiet" The Michael Dickes Situation - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ian Scott To: Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 12:27 AM Subject: Music Festivals This Summer NJC > Anyone going to any good music festivals this summer? I'm going to the > Bishopstock Blues Festival: Van Morrison, Nina Simone, Peter Green etc. Should > be good. > > Trivia question: Who wrote the song, "Young, Gifted and Black"? Wild guesses, > please. No looking it up! > > Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 23:56:01 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: Joni @ Wembley 1983 Hi there, I have a good quality stereo recording of the radio broadcast of this concert, well, the one hour version anyway, including Chinese Cafe. By the way Jim, I mailed you directly but it bounced back. Cheers Dave ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 16:08:17 -0700 (PDT) From: FromThePlanet Geeeek Subject: Do you like pina coladas? njc njc ************************************************* *** WEIRD EXTRAS *** *** Stories without comment (well, sometimes) *** ************************************************* The world of art: Two people who think they are tired of each other, each put an ad in the paper describing themselves and then, as luck would have it, attract each other and their relationship is reborn. This is from a song about liking margaritas and walking in the rain. I can't remember the song. The world of reality: A husband and wife in China unwittingly meet each other in an Internet chat room and court each other while the other one, naturally, was busy doing their thing on the Internet, making them both think they were sneaking off, but they were sneaking off to be together. After a month they agreed to meet. Did it work out like the song? When they came face-to-face they started fighting in the street and had to be broken apart by authorities. The relationship was not reborn, but was renewed, apparently. NTB broadcasting in Norway via Ananova 18-Jul-01 http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_354103.html Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:11:55 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC Colin writes: > Howevrer, I have always found it strange, and sad, that whilst I hear > parents praise their children because they do well at school or have become > doctors or lawyers or a Major or whatever, I have NEVER heard a parent > priase their child because they are kind, caring , compassionate, tolerant, > patient, happy, giving, etc. > I do see your point Colin, but I think some of the attitudes of parents (at least in my circle of friends) have changed. It makes me feel so good when I hear my friends talk about their children in terms of how kind or caring they are. I'm not saying that some of them don't talk about the good grades (or marks) that their children got on their report card. I think that's good too. Although there is still a major emphasis on how well a child does in school, I think it's to a child's best interest to be praised on anything positive they do. I never got the free ice cream cone at the Dairy Queen for being on the honor roll. Unlike my brother, I didn't get a dollar from my parents for each A on my report card because I got B's and C's. The closest I ever got to the National Honor Society was they made me their mascot. LOL (don't ask). I'm just glad the only bumper stickers they had back then read "I said No to drugs, but they just wouldn't listen".....just kidding :~) I'm just glad to see that our community participates in awards for children such as "Do the right thing", where a child has done some good deed (i.e., rescuing an animal, or returning a woman's lost purse). So things are improving Colin (IMO). Jimmy (in floody florida) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 19:22:46 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni At Wembly in London in 1983..... In a message dated 7/24/01 8:21:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: > Joni's Wembley show in London '83 was a part of the WTRF tour, not an > Amnesty show. The Amnesty benefit show she did was 6/15/86 in East > Rutherford, NJ. > I guess I was thinking of Live Aid. Didn't Joni perform in that all-day concert, which as I recall was simulcast from several sites, including Wembley. If I recall correctly, that was also Sade's international debut. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:08:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: books - Confederacy of Dunces (NJC) - --- Mags wrote: > > Mags, who thinks the southern Ontario humidity is > really getting to her. > > (Catherine tell them how horribly humid and awful > the air is these days!!) > > > Oh, fine. I was enjoying my lurkdom - I haven't understood a damn thing going on around here lately, esp. the I-Ching stuff - so many listers seem to understand it, to me it's just a big qu'est-ce-que c'est??? The weather here HAS been pathetic and dismal. If it had gotten any more humid, I'm sure we'd all have sprouted gills. Even a few good scary thunderstorms (couple of people out your way killed by lightning, eh?) couldn't dispel it. Now, though, the humidity is blowing out. It is still eerily hot, (is it just me, or is the sun really hotter than it was when I was a kid?) but I think - I hope, I remain hopeful - once the sun goes down, it's going to cool right off. when in doubt, talk about the weather. What's it like in the rest of the world? I suppose for Wally it's winter! Catherine, who usually enjoys books while she's reading them, but then almost immediately forgets what they were about - I suppose I could read the same book over and over again and get away with that, but I don't. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 20:46:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC books-n-kids-n-stuff NJC - --- colin wrote: > Howevrer, I have always found it strange, and sad, > that whilst I hear > parents praise their children because they do well > at school or have become > doctors or lawyers or a Major or whatever, I have > NEVER heard a parent > priase their child because they are kind, caring , > compassionate, tolerant, > patient, happy, giving, etc. My kids are not honour roll students. My daughter has a learning disability. She finds reading extremely difficult and basically has to memorize every word because reading phonetically usually doesn't work for her. She has had "communications" help since Grade One. Nevertheless, she was judged at a par with the rest of her classmates and in most classes, with the exception of math, she rated at around or in some cases above the class average. In art and music she got in the 80s (per cent). She graduated from Grade 8 in June and heads off for high school in September. She won an award at the grad ceremony as "most improved girl" (there was a "most improved boy" too). This was a way of the school acknowledging the fact that the kid works really hard and is extremely conscientious, despite the fact that she most likely will never come in first in her class (at least, not in the academics). However, of all the things I most admire - and I really do admire this girl - about my daughter, what impresses me most is her ability to figure out people. She knows who is honest and who is full of BS. She picks her friends well - her best friends are excellent students (one of her friends must have won 4 or 5 awards this year) but, more important, they are genuinely NICE kids. When my kids were younger, it bothered the hell out of me the way people would brag about how their little Tiffanys and Ashleys were speaking in full sentences at 14 months; or how they had been placed in the "gifted" class; or how they excelled at dance or music. I don't care if my daughter ends up a hairdresser - she will be a fine hairdresser and, knowing her, will make a lot of money at it - despite her difficulties with math, the kid can save money and I have no idea where she got that from - not from me, that's for sure! My son has also had problems in school. He repeated Grade 3 and I often regret that we agreed to do this although, to be honest, he does seem young for his age (he will turn 11 on Thursday - another friggin' Leo!). He is often difficult and is a really anxious kid, often the target of bullies, and I worry about him a lot. But, when he's not bellyaching about something (in this case, I think he DOES get this unfortunate quality from me), he can be kind and sweet, and he wouldn't hurt a fly. He too was receiving "special" help at school but, by the end of this school year (he just finished Grade 4), at a meeting of parents/teachers/special ed types, we all agreed he wouldn't need the help anymore because he's finally getting there and can do it on his own. All this to say, my main concern for my kids is that they end up decent human beings who have respect for themselves and others - the rest will follow in its own time. And anyway, how many lawyers do we really need in this world? And I'm not knocking Bob either - good on ya, Bob, that your kid is an honour student. With parents like you and your wife, he MUST also be a fine young man of good character. > > And what about all those children who are just not > very intelligent? those > not on the honour roll? are they to be dismissed > because their iq is not up > to expectation? Or what about those with other > disadvantages? Yoiu can only > work with you have. > One very good reason why the so called fairness of a > meritcracy is bullshit > put about by those who prefer not think about those > of lesser inteligence > and/or abiltiy. we are not born equal no matter how > we may kid ourselves. > Society is geared for the haves and enables them to > have more. The rest can > go to hell it seems. And they do. > Colin, maybe you're being a bit too harsh here, but I understand your point. Certainly it seems today that those in political power - from what I hear and from what I read this is a worldwide trend, at least in the so-called "developed" countries - it seems the poor are to blame for their own misfortune and that *everyone* on welfare is somehow cheating the system. From my point of view, as someone who has worked in gov't bureaucracy for over 20 yrs, and has seen different political parties and types come and go, it does seem to me that the current young generation of political workers just don't understand the idea of poverty at all - they seem like really nice kids on the surface, but there's something scary about them. They are quite demanding and just SOOO conservative to me. (I'm talking about the political workers affiliated with the party in power, not the average workers). You can tell, even by the way they dress, that they've never known what it's like to scrounge for a meal, they didn't need to apply for student loans to put them through their university MBA courses, and therefore they can't even conceive of the possibility of anyone who works hard not being able t make it. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:03:22 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re:weather NJC In a message dated 7/24/01 8:10:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: It is still eerily hot, (is it just me, or is the sun really hotter than it was when I was a kid?) when in doubt, talk about the weather. > Catherine and Mags, the weather report we get down here is either wrong or you two must be bonkers. It shows that the Toronto area has a high of 75 F and low of 61 F with 48% humidity. Our weather down in FL is a high of around 90 F and low of 75 F with 88% humidity. RU Crazy???? If I had hair, it would be FRIZZZZZZZY :~) Jimmy, who would love to be in Canada right now ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 21:18:54 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: NJC Okay now I'm REALLY steamed Kakki wrote: > All I wrote was "open-ended term" for Chelsea which is was it is. The > larger rhetorical question about lifetime protection was more general. Ok... however, questioning whether other Presidents' children should receive lifetime Secret Service protection implies that is a concern with Chelsea also. Otherwise, why wonder about it at all? It's a little disingenuous now to claim the two statements are not related. > > Considering the hatred some people feel for the Clintons.... > > Um, some people don't like them enough to hate them. I'll assume that's your personal feeling. Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who DO hate the Clintons. One especially repugnant example of Clinton hatred was an article in the National Review about how Chelsea should be killed because she carries the Clinton genes. > > P.S. And $300 to buy my vote? Don't think so, especially since the > refunds> jeopardize the future of programs beneficial to most of us (but not > ones > that> Dubya's pals will need). > > Sheesh, then why not spend yours directly on your favorite worthy cause? - > more direct and probably better spent than better than letting it filter > through the bureaucracy on its way to perhaps a program you don't agree > with. Your comment is rather confusing. Perhaps mine was too. I'll have no trouble finding ways to spend the refund, and will enjoy doing so. Giving it to charity is one possibility, and if returning my check to Social Security would keep that program healthy I would GLADLY do it. Those 93 million or so other checks would help in that too. The problem with the whole rebate program, not with my specific check, is that this and future tax cuts are based on projections that the economy will be as healthy as it has been for the past eight (Democratic-led) years; it's obvious it no longer is. Rather than receiving a little check, I'd be much more impressed with a healthy economy now and for the future, which results from people bringing home a paycheck week after week and being able to invest and buy things week after week. With all the layoffs since December a lot of people are not doing that now. I don't believe this payoff of the American people is going to jumpstart anything. That's Republican talk. I think its main purpose is to buy votes for the 2002 Congressional elections, with getting attention off of what Dubya's doing a close second. > Maybe we should get back to discussing Jenna's margaritas ;-) or music... or Joni... or concerts... or books... I say yes to the Davies books too and am chuckling my way through The Rebel Angels... anything besides politics. It's too depressing these days. Debra Shea NP: Shawn Colvin, Shotgun Down the Avalanche, live. (Thanks, Catherine; I love this song and especially this version; the guitar playing sparkles.) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2001 22:00:31 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: (NJC) Okay now I'm REALLY steamed (md) In a message dated 7/24/01 6:18:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dsk11@bellatlantic.net writes: << Unfortunately, there are plenty of people who DO hate the Clintons. One especially repugnant example of Clinton hatred was an article in the National Review about how Chelsea should be killed because she carries the Clinton genes >> Please produce the article. I seem to recall your deafening silence when Alex Baldwin pounded Conan Obriens table on National TV and screamed (literally) that Henry Hyde and his wife and children should be murdered, so I know you wont mind producing your source. MRC.org had the steam file of Baldwins vulgar rant prominently displayed and downloadable on their website for months. marcel deste ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #310 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?