From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #303 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 20 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 303 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: NJC W sleaze and ice and global warming ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: NJC suicide/black/books - long [Michael Paz ] Re: joni line [sjc]/ blackness [Michael Paz ] Re: soul? NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: NJC W sleaze and ice and global warming [Michael Paz ] Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed ... (njc, no ... really NJC) ["K] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 21:46:50 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: NJC W sleaze and ice and global warming My my home town newspaper, The Buffalo News (not a bastion of Democratic liberalism): HEADLINE: AN UNNECESSARY MAILING BODY: With the month of July beginning, many Americans will soon start checking their mailboxes for the tax refund checks promised by this year's massive tax cut package. The plan's first bonus, though, will be a separate letter with President Bush's name prominently displayed and the promise of more tax cuts "for years to come." Such blatant advertising sent via a governmental agency has Democrats like Sen. Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., crying foul. And with good reason. Schumer correctly questions the cost of mailing 91 million such IRS notices at a whopping cost of $21 million to $29 million. Wouldn't it have been enough simply to have mailed the checks? Americans, unless they happened to be residing in an isolated cave these last few months, are aware of the refund. And they should be aware of the sum to expect sometime in the next few months, whether it's $300 for a single taxpayer or up to $600 for a married couple. Treasury officials defend the letter, saying it will avert a deluge of phone calls and clear up confusion among taxpayers. The government might just be underestimating the average intelligence of check recipients, but it's probably safe to say that most Americans don't need instructions preceding the check. Regardless, written instructions will precede the windfall -- and the letter will be sure to make clear how the money got back into taxpayer hands: "We are pleased to inform you that the United States Congress passed and President George W. Bush signed into law the tax bill. . . ." There's no doubt Bush is largely responsible for the refunds. It was, after all, his $1.35 trillion package of tax cuts. But the apparent braggadocio is galling to Democrats, who quickly point out that the tax cuts could cut into such programs as prescription drug payments, Medicare and aid to the military. Undoubtedly, questions about how the tax cuts will affect the nation in years to come remain unanswered. This tax cut package hinges on a continued prosperity that has recently been called into question, at least for the short term, as evidenced by continued interest rate cuts to boost the economy. Whether the rebate checks will provide additional economic stimulus is also questionable. But what is certain is this: Bush and the Republicans want to leave no doubt about who deserves the credit, even if it costs more than $20 million to take the bow. LOAD-DATE: July 4, 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:16:04 EDT From: Wtking59@cs.com Subject: NYRO, NYRO, NYRO! I think Laura Nyro was second only to Joni and maybe Bob Dylan. In fact, Nyro even transcended Joni in some ways. I would go so far as to say that until Joni produced "Blue," Laura was more mature and profound. If you love Joni and you're unfamiliar with Nyro's classic trilogy of albums--"Eli And The Thirteenth Confession" (1968), "New York Tendaberry" (1969), and "Christmas And The Beads Of Sweat" (1970)-- I suggest you RUN to get them...NOW! - -Billy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 18:44:17 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: NJC W sleaze and ice and global warming I guess I'm just not "getting" it, Jerry. Outrage over an unnecessary mailing I can "get" if it is true it was not required. I will gladly give W a bash point on that one if they are making it up. But the letter (which I just retrieved from my mail box) clearly says "U.S. Congress" first as voting on it and then W as signing it. Maybe it's a kind of government/bureaucratic legality, you know, like all the other bureaucratic mailings we get from the Gov? What about the slick, multi-paged and multi-colored Social Security projections we have been getting regularly the past few years? I can't recall the figures on the costs of printing and mailing those, but it was astronomical. I don't get why people are outraged at receiving some of their own money back. I make significantly under the 6 figure mark and yet pay out 60% in total taxes a year. It's not like I'm refusing to pay or hoarding something from someone more deserving. Most people are not going to hide the $300 or $600 under their mattress. Most of it is going to go right back into the economy and most of that will be taxed again. I can use it for an unexpected recent hospital charge that was not covered by my insurance and whatever's left over is going to the good people of the state of Massachusetts around Labor Day time ;-) Kakki N.P. Byrds Sessions 1965-1967 (the best thing that came in my mailbox today - Thanks Paz!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:05:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed ... (njc, no ... really NJC) - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > I think Don Rowe was exactly right that all the > mailing was a taxpayer > supported campaign lit for W Bush. At the law > office today we got maybe > 50 of them today, to our dead clients with estates, > for our > conservatorships, etc., and it is such a waste of > taxpayer money to > promote W's political ideology. This is a new > achievement in sleaze. > > Why send a notice that a refund is coming - it was > in the news after all > - and those lines about W signing this to save you > money for years to > come - this is Reaganomics with no class. > Our provincial government has been sending out this kind of crappola for the last few years - look at all the good things we're doing; look at how we're improving this system and that system; and look how we're saving you money - then they mail everyone a cheque - we didn't get $600 though. I agree that it is sleazy - they're using taxpayers' money to toot their own horns, and they're trying to buy votes with their silly rebates when meanwhile everywhere you look, there are more people living in the street. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:21:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: [Jonifest2001] Joni's Medicinewheel - --- rosemjoy@aol.com wrote: > > Hi guys! > Jim Johanson from JoniMitchell.com was kind enough > to share this little > drawing that Joni had done when she signed his > Voices book at the Mendel > Gallery. So with his permission, I've > attached it here on Catgirl's site. Now what do you > suppose all this means? > Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I'm not > too up on Native American > Spirituality, but I'm sure gonna do some research. I'm not really up on Native American spirituality either, but Joni used the medicine wheel in the Painting with words and music video. Her stage is set up in the round and she explains the reason for this, as well as what the four directions (NSEW) are supposed to represent - I forget who was what, (it's on the drawing which, of course, I can't see as I'm typing this), but the four directions are supposed represent the four major races - white, black, yellow and red (what?? only four races??). They also represent various parts of the human psyche (or whatever you want to call it) - as laid out in her drawing. I have no idea whether or not this is *real* native spirituality or not, but Joni says it is. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2001 00:22:43 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: NYRO, NYRO, NYRO! i couldn't agree more!!!!!!!!!!!! laura nyro is .. i don't have words to describe her. she was absolutely the FIRST ONE. no one comes close. and billy, from laura to you: ''biiiiiiiiiiiiiiill i love you so, i always will...'' wallyK, who loves laura, joni and rickie and can live with it. - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Wtking59@cs.com Enviado el: Jueves, 19 de Julio de 2001 11:16 p.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: NYRO, NYRO, NYRO! I think Laura Nyro was second only to Joni and maybe Bob Dylan. In fact, Nyro even transcended Joni in some ways. I would go so far as to say that until Joni produced "Blue," Laura was more mature and profound. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:54:48 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC suicide/black/books - long you are killing me! Ilove this on 7/19/01 9:25 AM, colin at colin@tantra-apso.com wrote: > -------Original Message------- > From: Murphycopy@aol.com > Date: 19 July 2001 17:15:52 > To: ink08@hotmail.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: NJC suicide/black/books - long > In a message dated 7/19/01 5:15:24 AM, ink08@hotmail.com writes: > << Colin, have you read Dorothy Parker's poem "You might as well live"? >> > Risumi, by Dorothy Parker > Razors pain you; > Rivers are damp; > Acids stain you; > And drugs cause cramp. > Guns aren't lawful; > Nooses give; > Gas smells awful; > You might as well live. > > Thank you! Quite amusing. I know nothing of Ms Parker but would assume that > she had her dark times hence her writing this funny poem. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 22:56:30 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC - Racism, Letterman, DiFranco Phuck Letterman, They DON'T have a clue! Paz on 7/19/01 9:53 AM, Murphycopy@aol.com at Murphycopy@aol.com wrote: > Ani DiFranco was scheduled to appear on "Late Night with David Letterman" > tonight. She had planned to perform "Subdivision," a song about rascism that > begins, "White people are so scared of black people, they bulldoze out to the > country." Producers at "Late Night" tried to convince her to sing a more > "up-beat" song. When she refused, her segment was cancelled. > > You can read the article at > http://washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17763-2001Jul18.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:08:34 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: joni line [njc]/ blackness You have no idea of how profound your words are after tonight. I spent the evening with Jack recording and the kids wanted to hang out in the studio while we were working and so many things came up in conversation between takes. My kids are gonna be all right and I don't have the time to explain why now, but what you said confirmed what I feel in my heart right now: Never lie to them and always follow the heart to the next day/issue/dream/... Thanks Paz on 7/19/01 11:32 AM, Mark or Travis at mark.travis@gte.net wrote: > No matter what, I think they >> will learn that we have always welcomed all kinds of people into our > home >> and never made a big deal about what colour they were or sexual > preferences >> etc. They have also seen many a sick child coming from Honduras to a > US >> hospital that have overnighted with us and have learned that loving > and >> caring for all mankind is the true path to follow. >> >> Thanks for the post >> >> Michael > > What lucky kids you have, Michael. If my upbringing had been more > like that, I would not have to work so hard to clear out some of the > stupid shit that still clutters up the dark corners of my brain. Not > that my parents were raving bigots but they weren't exactly without > their prejudices & misconceptions. I grew up in a town in Iowa of > about 16,000 people. I went to school with black kids from the time I > was in kindergarten. For a long time, they were the only 'others' I > knew about. I remember when the high school staged a production of > 'South Pacific' I didn't understand what the 'race' issue was all > about. Those Polynesians weren't black people! What was the problem? > To me, growing up in a very limited world, every one who wasn't > African American was white. So to me, Michael, you would have been > another white kid. > > I remember seeing 'Guess Who's Coming to Dinner' when I was a young > teen. It's a corny & dated movie with some very silly things in it, > but it did start me to thinking. Later on, I can still remember the > night that my mother & I watched the very first episode of 'All in the > Family'. We nearly wet ourselves laughing and eventually I came to > understand that Archie Bunker was funny because of the utter ignorance > & stupidity of his thinking. I also began to see some of the jokes > and racial slurs I had snickered at and some times uttered myself as a > child as being in the same vein of stupid & ignorant thinking. Passed > on to my parents from their parents (some of whom *were* truly bigoted > people) and hence to me. > > So I cannot honestly say that I have completely eradicated some of the > idiotic things I grew up hearing about from people who were supposed > to be wiser than me. I can only say that I do my best to try & see > people for what they are underneath the 'joke' that God has played on > us by making us all appear to be different. And yes, I acknowledge > that each of is different - unique and special in our own way - and I > think cultures and backgrounds are important and worth remembering and > preserving. But in the end, I want to be color-blind. But I have to > honestly admit that I'm just not there yet. > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:09:01 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: joni line [sjc]/ blackness amen on 7/19/01 11:32 AM, colin at colin@tantra-apso.com wrote: > -------Original Message------- > From: Michael Paz > Date: 19 July 2001 18:50:16 > To: colin; JRMCo1@aol.com; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: joni line [sjc]/ blackness > Colin- > Thanks and I get what you mean here. I forgot to mention that during my > childhood and adolecence that I also was persecuted for being shy, quiet, > and somewhat feminine in my demeanour. If I had a dime for everytime I was > called queer, faggot, nigger, etc. I could buy peoples tolerance. > > > DITTO > > > > If your > natural mom was Spanish then you are mixed (therefore one of us ;-) > > that is how i see myself-as mixed. My mother comes from spanish, greek, > african, celtic background, my father from english/irish. > > > But I take it you are fair skinned, which is something I will never know > what that feels like. > > I am not sure what you mean by fair skinned. I ahev balck hari and an olive > skin which if out in the sun goes very dark-dark enough that when I first > came to the UK from Australia, people thought I was asian. However, my skin > is white white as we don't get much sun here(!) and I have no patience for > sun bathing. Besides, i like to look younger than my 20/22 years! > > > and have learned that loving and > caring for all mankind is the true path to follow. > > > and the hardest! > > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:11:49 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: soul? NJC I am totally honored to be mentioned in the context of these great artists. All I can say is that as long as you have enought mirrors you can fool even the most astute music lovers. Love Paz on 7/19/01 12:27 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: >> I'm amazed nobody's mentioned Laura Nyro and Dusty Springfield! >> >> Mark in Seattle > > Took the words right out of my mouth! Also some more that give me those > soul chills - Flora Purim, Michael Ruff, Lani Hall, Milton Nascimento, > Crosby, Pevar and Raymond, Vince Gill and Jimmy Webb. > > And more JMDL'ers to add to the long list of those who hit me right in the > solar plexus: Bryan Thomas, Marian Russell, Sherelle, Gary Zack, Clark, > JULIUS, Paz, Lahm, Fred Simon, the Dulsons and Craig Harris (who is so busy > being souful and funkiful we rarely hear from him here ;-) > > Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:18:35 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: NJC W sleaze and ice and global warming AWESOME!. You are very welcome! Jack may be headed your way for the next week, if so, I would love for you two to hook up so he can have a friend in the area. I am so glad I could get that stack for you. More to soon come. Love Paz on 7/19/01 6:44 PM, Kakki at KakkiB@worldnet.att.net wrote: > > N.P. Byrds Sessions 1965-1967 (the best thing that came in my mailbox > today - Thanks Paz!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 23:23:16 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Later (NJC) I am off to Nashville to attend the summer NAMM show and to see some dear friends. I hope you all have a safe and happy weekend and I will miss your company, but will soon be back in your warm fold. NashVegas here I come! Love Paz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2001 21:40:25 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Okay now I'm REALLY steamed ... (njc, no ... really NJC) This doesn't make any sense to me (sending out a pre-mailing so that the actual mailing is not thrown away)...why wouldn't someone inclined to throw away the actual mailing not be inclined to throw away the pre-mailing? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #303 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?