From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #292 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 13 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 292 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Jonifest(njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: Jonifest(njc) [Michael Paz ] Re: Jonifest(njc) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Jonifest NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] not Jonifest any more NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: not Jonifest any more NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: not Jonifest any more NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: not Jonifest any more NJC (md) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: not Jonifest any more NJC (md) [Michael Paz ] Re: joni, 80's, popularity ["Kakki" ] Re: brian wilson njc ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:17:36 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs In a message dated 7/12/01 10:15:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: > I had forgotten about 'Roseanna'. > Understandable. It was pretty fluffy and forgettable. Sounded very > sterile and canned to me. I'll bet Roseanna Arquette didn't think so. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:28:51 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest(njc) Wait a frigging minute! "I" am the pimp daddy Mr. Florida. I suggest you wriggle into that too tight halter top and get out on the strip right away. I will contribute all my commissions so that Victor and holley can be there though. Also Hi Catgirl. Hope you are well! How have things been going with you? Paz NP-Hi Ho Silver-Beatles Boot on 7/12/01 4:49 PM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/12/01 7:10:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > > >> Unfortunately, it is not looking like Holley and I will be able to attend >> Jonifest this year, due to continued financial struggles. I am rather >> disappointed but will definately be there in spirit. > > Victor Johnson not at Jonifest ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? > That's like Joni without "Hejira"!!! > Who's gonna play the Flugelhorn, Tuba, Cornet, Piccolo, Lute, Afghani Rebab, > kalimbas, cabasas, singing bowls, tubanos, cello, cocus wood bagpipes?????? > Tell us Victor!!!! Who Who Who????? > Who's gonna replace that great voice of yours??? > > Okay, Muller, Paz, Murphy, & WallyK have all agreed to prostitute > themselves for the next few weeks so you and Holley can attend. Agreed? > > Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:31:22 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Jonifest(njc) Rev I expected SO much more from a man of the cloth (so to speak). You ARE SO bad! Remember you reap what you sow. I actually had a very good week last week. Paz NP-Stand By Me-Beatles Watching Rainbows on 7/12/01 5:20 PM, Vince Lavieri at revrvl@chartermi.net wrote: > FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > >> >> >> Okay, Muller, Paz, Murphy, & WallyK have all agreed to prostitute >> themselves for the next few weeks so you and Holley can attend. Agreed? >> >> Jimmy > > At the risk of great bodily harm to myself I must ask: > > do you really all think that you can raise more than lose change that way? > > > LOL! > > (the Rev) Vince who does know that Jesus loves the prostitutes but while it > may > keep some people from starving,. it may cause other people to starve... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:40:35 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Jonifest(njc) Michael Paz wrote: > Rev > I expected SO much more from a man of the cloth (so to speak). You ARE SO > bad! Remember you reap what you sow. I actually had a very good week last > week. > Don't expect much from me and you won't be disappointed! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:40:13 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest NJC In a message dated 7/12/01 10:27:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > Rev > I expected SO much more from a man of the cloth (so to speak). You ARE SO > bad! Remember you reap what you sow. I actually had a very good week last > week. > > Paz > > The Bishop (or Rev) is correct Michael. You get out and work those streets. You may look like a pimp, but you best try selling your (?) goods (what's left of them) :~) AND instead of "you reap what you sow", my pappy used to say "You plant corn, You get corn". Glad you had a good week Paz. Please return my halter top when you're through :~) Salaciously yours, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:57:02 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: not Jonifest any more NJC FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/12/01 10:27:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > > > >> Rev >> I expected SO much more from a man of the cloth (so to speak). You >> ARE SO >> bad! Remember you reap what you sow. I actually had a very good week >> last >> week. >> >> Paz >> > > The Bishop (or Rev) is correct Michael. You get out and work those > streets. > You may look like a pimp, but you best try selling your (?) goods > (what's > left of them) :~) > Thanks Jimmy for reminding all that I am bishop. (Who takes that seriously? Not me!) Last Sunday it was so hot in the chapel that my little bishop beanie ("zuchetta" but I call it a beanie) kept rising on my head as my naturally Italian hair curled in the heat, and slide all over my head. Kinda went like this: (adjust beanie) the Lord ((adjust beanie) be with ((adjust beanie)) you! Lift (adjust beanie) up your (adjust beanie) hearts! (adjust beanie) But when I put on my lenten garb, which includes a floor length satin chasuble (I didn't pick the material, I usually go for natural materials that are, well, less satiny) and that satin chasuble in brilliant scarlet/purple, I look like the pimp daddy of all time. It is however very hard to pick anyone up in clerical garb. Probably why I live alone. - or at least a good excuse to give. And just to show how I am a person of varied abilities, at the Montcalm County 4-H Fair, I have a duck in the fair, my duck Babe, who I raised from a duckling. I have sent her to live with a family with some wild mallards with whom she is friendly (so to speak) and happy, but still my duck in the 4 H county fair! (Be mindful that my Babe duck left my care for others with an oath in blood that she will always live as a duck and die as a free duck and never be dinner.) But for a Chicago boy to have a duck in the 4H county fair is a greater thrill than one can imagine! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:14:43 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: not Jonifest any more NJC (md) I want you four to know that I am unable to stop laughing at all your comments. The comments have gone from pimping to religious garments to the Greater Chicago 4-H Club entry duck in only two responses. marcel in wonder ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:55:56 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: not Jonifest any more NJC I don't suppose you have heard of Ruthie the Duck Woman??? She was a character that lived in the quarter and use to roller skate down boubon street with a bunch of duckies in tow. It was always a sight to behold. Somehow I got a pic of you and Ruthie and the ducks and oh my the thoughts that crossed me mind. Well I sat in the chat room again tonight all alone. Nobody checks in the bloody thing anymore. Paz Sitting at home alone NP-All Things Must Pass-George WITH Beatles Boot on 7/12/01 7:57 PM, Vince Lavieri at revrvl@chartermi.net wrote: And just to show how I am a person of varied abilities, at the Montcalm County 4-H Fair, I have a duck in the fair, my duck Babe, who I raised from a duckling. I have sent her to live with a family with some wild mallards with whom she is friendly (so to speak) and happy, but still my duck in the 4 H county fair! (Be mindful that my Babe duck left my care for others with an oath in blood that she will always live as a duck and die as a free duck and never be dinner.) But for a Chicago boy to have a duck in the 4H county fair is a greater thrill than one can imagine! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:07:42 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: not Jonifest any more NJC (md) In a message dated 7/12/01 11:14:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1 writes: > I want you four to know that I am unable to stop laughing at all your > comments. The comments have gone from pimping to religious garments to the > I'm sorry Marcel. I didn't forget about you prostituting yourself to help Victor and Holley get to Jonifest. I just didn't think you *could* at your age. I guess you could alwasys use tomato stakes and twist ties :~) love you man, mean it !!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 23:18:36 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: not Jonifest any more NJC (md) oooo yo a mean old daddy, but I like you. I am off to bed. Talk to you guys tomorrow. Love paz NP-Mean Mr. Mustard-Still Beatles on 7/12/01 9:07 PM, FMYFL@aol.com at FMYFL@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 7/12/01 11:14:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MDESTE1 writes: I want you four to know that I am unable to stop laughing at all your comments. The comments have gone from pimping to religious garments to the Greater Chicago 4-H Club entry duck in only two responses. marcel in wonder I'm sorry Marcel. I didn't forget about you prostituting yourself to help Victor and Holley get to Jonifest. I just didn't think you *could* at your age. I guess you could alwasys use tomato stakes and twist ties :~) love you man, mean it !!! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 00:37:15 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Well, well! Told us, huh? Good job! I especially enjoyed your discussion of certain lyrics. When I think of the lyrics on WTRF, I remember the simple ones: "Nobody's harder on me than me How could they be and nobody's harder on you than you." Gives me a "duh" feeling. And all the "Yes I do -- I love you"s are boring. Joni's been more inventive than that. You're right, though, that there are some gems also and seeing them written out, and separate from the music, makes that clear. It seems like a "happy" cd because the tunes are so bouncy, except for the first and last ones, even when the lyrics express more complicated emotions. To my ears, the sounds on this cd override the words, which isn't usually the case with Joni's music. Debra Shea NPIMH: Solid Love, while I picture four, and now five, of our most distinguished JMDL men wearing slipping shiny halter tops and funny hats while quacking and shaking their tail feathers, and now there are some tomatoes in the picture too. I'm not sayin' where... Mark or Travis wrote: > Lyrically WTRF doesn't have that intense, exhaustive introspection > that Hejira has but so what? Joni ain't never gonna make another > record like Hejira, so get over it o-KAY??! > > But seriously, there are some great lines on WTRF. Some very clever > and witty, some very deep and some straight to the point. > > Winter beat the pines about > He heard the heater cutting in & out > While she dreamed away > ... > People don't know how to love > They taste it and toss it > Turn it off and on > Like a bathtub faucet > ... > Love has always made me feel so uneasy > I couldn't relax and just be me > More like some strange disease > Than this solid love > ..... > Don't whine > Kiss off that flaky valentine > You're nobody's fool > ... > Anyway that's what I think and that is what I said! > > Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:57:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: joni, 80's, popularity Hi Shane, you wrote: >she was, after all, a proved and larger creative than larry klein as well...and so therefore we must give her responsibility for >the turn on some tracks in the eighties that tried to be too poppish and therefore failed to meet her full capability... we can't >blame him for decisions that she, as SIQUOMB 'president', gave the final o.k.... I think you might have a point about her feeling vulnerable after losing many fans and critics in the late 70s DJRD/Mingus period. What she chose to do in the 80s is just as valid as anything else she has created - it reflects where she was at then to one extent or another. While I am one of those who immediately drove off the freeway to the nearest record store the first time I heard Night Ride Home come on the radio, amazed that she was "back", I do find much value in the 80s works. I think DED is very good and her tightest album of the period, Chalkmark is strange but in a beautiful way (it just may be her DJRD of the 80s) and I think there are some stunning songs on WTRF. But it took other versions and performances of the WTRF songs to make me truly appreciate them. Hearing Marian play Moon at the Window the first time made it all new to me, hearing Paz play Chinese Cafe had the same effect, and after hearing Joni's jazzed up, orchestrated Be Cool last year, I thought it was one of the best songs I'd ever heard. I do like the album much more now than when I first heard it, but still get those feelings it is a little choppy. No, she wasn't drugged out on anything but love and exhilaration when she made it, but consider how many people participated in that album - somewhere around 19 musicians and 12 people besides Klein with "production credits." There is some truth to the old sayings that "too many cooks spoil the broth" and about "too many chiefs and not enough indians." I think many of us ultimately resonate more to 90-100% Joni in an album. We just don't like her voice being muffled or drowned out.much ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:18:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: brian wilson njc Thanks so much for the insights and I would love to hear more if you find those notes. Here are some quotes I found from a Van Dyke Parks website: "Van Dyke on Mike Love: 'Leonard Bernstein had just said that Surf's Up was one of the greatest songs ever written, and Brian had made this moral decision to work with me - not that I'm a particularly moral person, but he was questioning the morality of back seats in fast cars as a staple, and he wanted a companion in that new enquiry. What drove Mike Love into the back seat of fast cars in the first place was that it was the only thing he knew.'" (London Guardian, 12.10.99) (ouch!) and "Brian's perspective some twenty-five years after the demise of SMILE:'...I made peace with the production and what might have been had SMILE turned out, but I never got used to the way the haunting lyrics [of "Surf's Up'], written years before, forecast my deterioration'" To a song dissolved in the dawn The music hall is a costly bow The music all is lost for now To a muted trumpeter's swan Columnated ruins domino (B. Wilson, 1991) Kakki ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #292 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?