From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #291 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 291 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: July 12 [les@jmdl.com] Re: joni on cobain [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni, WTRF, and drugs [Steve Polifka ] Paul Schaefer NJC [Steve Polifka ] Jonatha (njc) ["blonde in the bleachers" ] Leno (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: brian wilson njc [w evans ] Observations [scmorris ] Re: brian wilson njc (add some JC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Shawn & Larry SJC [Whizzboom@aol.com] Re: brian wilson njc (add some JC) [w evans ] Re: Observations [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) ["Donna J. Binkley" ] RE: joni on cobain ["Wally Kairuz" ] joni, 80's, popularity ["shane mattison" ] Re: Observations ["Bill Dollinger" ] James Taylor concert NJC and Gordon Lightfoot question ["janine sherman" ] Re: James Taylor concert NJC and Gordon Lightfoot question [RoseMJoy@aol.] RE: Joni Parody - National Lampoon ["Deb Messling" ] Jonifest Update: THE LIST!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Catgirl on Joni Only [CaT627@cs.com] Re: Jonifest Update: THE LIST!!! [CaT627@cs.com] Re: joni on cobain [Relayer211@aol.com] Jonifest(njc) ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: Joni Parody - National Lampoon [Randy Remote ] Re: Jonifest(njc) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Joni Parody - NJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [Randy Remote ] Re: an asteroid for Joni next? njc [Randy Remote ] Re: an asteroid for Joni next? njc [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Joni Parody - NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Re: Jonifest(njc) [Vince Lavieri ] RE: Jonifest(njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Jonifest(njc) [Vince Lavieri ] Cars-NJC ["Gerald A. Notaro" ] Baby You Can Drive My Car, (NJC) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Cars-NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Jonifest(njc) [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: Baby You Can Drive My Car, (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: Jonifest(njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Observations/Joni cover performances ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: joni on cobain [susan+rick ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 03:07:16 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: July 12 On July 12 in Joni Mitchell History: 1983: Joni performs at the CNE Bandshell in Toronto. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Toronto83.html 1993: From Wally's Bio Page: [Today], Joni made an appearance at the Beverly Hilton in Hollywood at comic legend Milton Berle's 86th birthday party. She sang "Night Ride Home" in front of a roomful of comedians and Hollywood legends. More info: http://www.jonimitchell.com/BerleBirthday93.html - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:25:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni on cobain Hi Paul, and welcome...even though you may bolt after you got your question answered, I would encourage you to stick it out awhile. I'm on 5 different music lists, and the Joni group is FAR & AWAY the best one... It's probably also worth noting that in Joni's last record of original material, she wrote: "I'm a runaway from the record biz From the hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids" I'm sure based on what she said about Kurt she would put him in that latter category, he might have even inspired the lyric! Bob NP: Elliott Smith, "sweet adeline" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:14:35 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Debras sShea wrote: >I can't join the WTRF-bashing club either, however, since I >like the energy of >that cd. It's not a favorite or one of her best but I think >it's great that >Joni was so wildly in love that she was crazed (or maybe it >was drugs... I >don't know... I much prefer the love idea... drugs don't >always produce >euphoric feelings the way early love can). I think Joni >somewhere said it's >much more difficult to write happy songs and WTRF shows that >to be the case. >Why ponder relationships enough to write complex lyrics when >life is so >completely enjoyable? Who wants to (or can) dissect that? So, >stuck in the >middle of her collection of cds about romantic angst and >melancholy and being >hypercritical is this aberration with lyrics so lightweight >they're downright >silly sometimes. It does have some snappy tunes, though, and I >can enjoy it >for that. Solid Love is one of my favorites because of the >sheer joy of it and >the way the lyrics twist within the music, which is typical >Joni. >I wonder what we'd all think of this album if it had been done >by anyone other >than Joni. My guess is it would be more highly regarded, or at >least >appreciated as a decent pop album. >Debra Shea Hear, hear! ;-) I loved WTRF. It was so refreshing for her to be happy, and sing about it! When my friend Terri heard it for the first time, and heard Larry Klien's double and triple line bass playing on YDFT, she said- sounds just like the kind of thing she did 10 years ago, with her strange chords and progressions, only the 80's version. I had to agree. Joni's style is all over that album, but you just have to listen thru all the frosting to hear it. As a songwriter, its so hard to pop out of the mold you have created for yourself. I've only recently noticed that I have. Even Stevie Nicks once said that the same chords came out every time she sat at the piano. (I hate that when that happens! LOL!) Joni has occasionally, but like Debra mentioned, it was great to finally hear HER again with NRH. Another fave of mine- (after 2 Grey Rooms, how could it not be?) There are albums of hers that I don't listen to often. Heck, there are some songs I don't listen to at all. All I know is that when it comes to those recordings, that's where she was at the time, and I at this point in my life, I can't relate. At some point in time I had loved some of them. Now they don't touch me as much or at all. But part of her is in each and every one of those songs, and they are forever Joni, sharing herself with us in them. Thank you, Joni... NPIMH: Number One My new JM Tee shirt: Everything I know about life I learned from Joni Mitchell Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 09:37:56 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Paul Schaefer NJC Kate of the North wrote: >ha that certainly explains why he is so annoying... Paul is the very reason I cannot watch that show any more. I always thought he was an arrogant bitchy little queen who had about as much class as Richard Nixon, and someone needed to slap him into reality. (Or did he just get pissed off every time he looked in a mirror? LOL!) Now why did I think he was a queen, you ask? He ALWAYS played show tunes!!!!! Sheesh! Move on, girlfriend! Steve, who also doesn't like Whitney Houston for her attitude, and still wrestling with his ego... Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 10:42:06 -0400 From: "blonde in the bleachers" Subject: Jonatha (njc) For anyone that lives in the Boston area Jonatha will be playing live and FOR FREE at Copley Square on August 9th at 5:30pm. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:25:01 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Leno (NJC) Brenda wrote: > Leno is much better at that and just a friendly guy all the way around. I can attest to that. I run into him from time to time at British car events, and he's always friendly and approachable. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:25:01 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Leno (NJC) Brenda wrote: > Leno is much better at that and just a friendly guy all the way around. I can attest to that. I run into him from time to time at British car events, and he's always friendly and approachable. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:38:18 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: brian wilson njc OK Bob, I'll try.... van dyke parks has said that all the songs for SMiLE were supposed to be about Americana... as a historical extension of the Beach Boys' usual themes... heroes and villains in the cantina, the railroads, over and over the crow cries uncover the cornfields, lighting lamps, home on the range... it doesn't really work its way through all of the songs though, I would be hard pressed to link Wind Chimes and Wonderful to these themes... but the song Surf's Up seems to be full of music hall and operatic images, and I will need to find my annotated set of articles that accompany the vigotone SMiLE boot that was out back in 93 or so, there is a detailed account of such things interspersed with the lyrics... I will say for now that the ending seems to go refer to the earlier beach boys music, looking back at it from the far more complex world of 1967... "surf's up, board a tidal wave, come about hard and join the young and often spring you gave" I think is looking back at brian's past accomplishments perhaps as an antidote to the pain that is apparent earlier in the song. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 11:02:30 -0600 From: scmorris Subject: Observations Hi everyone So my good friend gave me a book called Joni Mitchell: The Complete Poems and Lyrics (I'm sure everyone here has heard of it). I look at it every night before I go to bed and its especially nice to get away from the music and enjoy the text. Just having bought Clouds, I was reading through Roses Blue and what really struck me was how much it reminded me of Freudian free association. My favorite song of the moment (The Gallery) struck me with its genius. She changes a couple words within the chorus and the whole meaning has changed. WOW!!! Another one of my friends was telling me that Shawn Colvin and Joni don't talk to each other because Larry is married to Shawn? I know this is probably gossip but can anyone confirm? I received Bob's covers CD (vol. 18) yesterday and immediately started laughing over the techno version of Both Sides Now. I have to wonder if Joni ever hears these covers and feels violated. Every song I have ever written is like a dear child to me and to hear it skewed in such a way would kill me (figuratively at least):) Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:17:57 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: brian wilson njc (add some JC) <> Thanks for the detail, Ken...I must admit that I haven't explored the BB as much as I should, although I DID pick up "Surf's Up" on vinyl when I heard "Feel Flows" on the radio..it blew me away! And to insert some JC, I recently got a copy of Frank Stallone (yes, Rocky's bro) doing a cover of "A Case of You". Not as cheesy as I was expecting, and come to find out that Parks arranged it and Harry Nilsson produced the record! No wonder it didn't suck! Bob NP: Patti Smith, "spell" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 13:29:07 EDT From: Whizzboom@aol.com Subject: Shawn & Larry SJC Steph wrote : "Another one of my friends was telling me that Shawn Colvin and Joni don't talk to each other because Larry is married to Shawn? I know this is probably gossip but can anyone confirm?" Hmm, this is interesting. I always wondered what those 2 were up to, but I'd think if they'd tied the knot, somehow WE'D know about it. My understanding was that Shawn had been married to someone, got divorced, and was now married to John Leventhal. But then I recall reading that JL was married to somebody else and had a family of his own. Who, then, is the father of Shawn's cute baby? Juicy stuff... - -Chris NP: "A Cleaner Light" - Kristen Hersh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:02:01 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: brian wilson njc (add some JC) Bob, you do have a copy of Pet Sounds.... don't you? Next after that, I would suggest the following 2fers, recently out in HDCD: Today/Summer Days (the pair of 1965 albums right before Pet Sounds), Smiley Smile/Wild Honey (1967 pair) and Friends/2020 (1968-69) This material rivals what the Beatles and Joni were doing during those years. In some ways it's both more complex and deceptively simpler. I know that last sentence doesn't make sense, but if you hear them you'll know what I mean. On Thu, 12 Jul 2001 SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > < were supposed to be about Americana... >> > > Thanks for the detail, Ken...I must admit that I haven't explored the BB as much as I should, although I DID pick up "Surf's Up" on vinyl when I heard "Feel Flows" on the radio..it blew me away! > > And to insert some JC, I recently got a copy of Frank Stallone (yes, Rocky's bro) doing a cover of "A Case of You". Not as cheesy as I was expecting, and come to find out that Parks arranged it and Harry Nilsson produced the record! No wonder it didn't suck! > > Bob > > NP: Patti Smith, "spell" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:57:27 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Observations <> Oh, she's crying all the way to the bank! ;~) Given that her entire catalog hasn't outsold Tapestry, I would bet that a lot of Joni's wealth has been from the combined sales of all of those covers. Although probably NOT from that Brother Love Canal version... She discusses going for the "little royalty pennies" early on in her career, and she may have not had a lot of bonafide hits herself, but lordy she has been well-covered, probably only topped by The Beatles & Dylan I would guess in terms of the number of her songs that have been recorded by others. But to get back to what you were saying, she does introduce BSN on her 1983 tour by referring to it as "the child with the most mileage" and that she didn't always approve of the company it kept! ;~) Bob NP: The Smithereens, "Indigo Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:12:44 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) Good point Kakki, but what's their excuse for the fact that those very fashions have re-surfaced and are flooding the clothing market even as we speak! And if anyone watches very much TV, especially cable/satellite, they would probably agree that it would appear that the creators of some of these shows are indeed stoned...I could go so far as to say that it's possible that the "War on Drugs" is a ploy by the television industry to throw the straight people off track of what's really going on over there. OK I'm done. Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Kakki Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 9:12 PM To: MDESTE1@aol.com; azeemak@aol.com; scjoniguy@aol.com Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) Marcel wrote: > My bet is that Toto bought the blow. Which explains everything from the "disjointedness" of the record to the sounds. Well, I wasn't going to say it - but now that you've brought it up - the first thing I thought on pondering the earlier posts was that perhaps it was WTRF that she was referring to in her drugs quote in LA Weekly this week ;-D I made it through the past several decades without personally partaking of any substance but vividly remember the enormous and excessive amounts (literally a sackful at one) of the stuff at parties and even in clubs in the mid '70s to early '80s. I remember reading an article once where some people were reflecting that the reason some of the '70s movies, TV and fashions were so bad/hideous/mediocre was because everyone was so strung out there for awhile and thought everything they created was just wonderful. Not trying to debate drugs, etc., but I thought the article was somewhat correct! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 15:10:43 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: an asteroid for Joni next? *** Beatles, Springsteen are stars in the sky, too (Launch) - The Beatles, Bruce Springsteen and Brian Wilson are among the brightest stars in the music world, and now they're "stars" in the sky as well. Last week, the International Astronomical Union - the recognized authority for the naming of celestial bodies -- assigned the names of those legendary musicians, as well as famed record producer Phil Spector, to a group of recently discovered asteroids. The names of asteroids are traditionally reserved for Greek gods, goddesses and other mythological figures, but astronomer Ian Griffin, who discovered the Springsteen asteroid from Auckland, New Zealand, said, "It's a case of honoring the people who inspired our generation." Several asteroids, or "minor planets," were previously named for Elvis Presley, Jerry Garcia, Eric Clapton and Frank Zappa. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:39:48 +0100 From: "Laurent Olszer" Subject: probable inspiration for Black Crow Just came back from amsterdam. Purpose of my trip was Crosby's CPR concert since he didn't play France this tour. The show was fabulous. Highly recommended. (the consensus on Neil Young's Paris + Holland concerts was a little disappointing) While visiting the Van Gogh Museum, stumbled onto a painting with black crowes in a field, no other theme in the painting which is itself titled Black Crows. Since it's pretty obvious Joni was inspired by Van Gogh, I had a sudden hunch that this very painting could very well have been the inspiration for the song. Well I just admired it while mentally singing the song and it fit so perfectly. Maybe this has been covered by other JMDLers before and I apologize if this is the case. At any rate, don't miss the Rijk + Van Gogh museums while in Amsterdam, they are fantastic. Could anyone recommend which Prince CD to listen to as far as being the most inspired by Joni? Laurent ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 12:20:21 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (njc) Hi Donna, > Good point Kakki, but what's their excuse for the fact that those very > fashions have re-surfaced and are flooding the clothing market even as we > speak! I've read/heard discussions of this and the consensus seems to be that there are subtle differences in the 70s knock-offs being made now that make the fashions more attractive - nicer fabrics, better cuts, finer (not as gaudy) colors and keener stylistic eyes involved overall. I agree, and think they are also incorporating some of the better aspects of the 60s fashions with them. Although I have seen some pretty clunky stuff out there these days, too! >And if anyone watches very much TV, especially cable/satellite, they > would probably agree that it would appear that the creators of some of these > shows are indeed stoned...I could go so far as to say that it's possible > that the "War on Drugs" is a ploy by the television industry to throw the > straight people off track of what's really going on over there. Hmmm, could be "counter-propaganda." While I personally am not fond of drugs, I remember thinking back in the 70's when things reached the saturation point that it would be great if they could legalize and TAX them to help offset the miserable economy (22% inflation rate, deficit, high unemployment, etc.) we had then! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:57:15 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: joni on cobain you just have to love bob muller!!!! i wish i had your gift for diplomacy, bob!!! xoxo wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de SCJoniGuy@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Julio de 2001 09:25 a.m. Para: pharrill@utk.edu CC: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: joni on cobain Hi Paul, and welcome...even though you may bolt after you got your question answered, I would encourage you to stick it out awhile. I'm on 5 different music lists, and the Joni group is FAR & AWAY the best one... It's probably also worth noting that in Joni's last record of original material, she wrote: "I'm a runaway from the record biz From the hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids" I'm sure based on what she said about Kurt she would put him in that latter category, he might have even inspired the lyric! Bob NP: Elliott Smith, "sweet adeline" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 14:08:11 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: joni, 80's, popularity of course joni is responsible to herself for the creative decisions made during the 80s... james taylor and others who had shacked up with her testified to feeling inferior on the creative level, when she could drift from guitar to piano to paints... she was, after all, a proved and larger creative than larry klein as well...and so therefore we must give her responsibility for the turn on some tracks in the eighties that tried to be too poppish and therefore failed to meet her full capability... we can't blame him for decisions that she, as SIQUOMB 'president', gave the final o.k.... my intuition is this...joni has said a thousand times she is both a sensitive and a vulnerable person... the press was very unfair in their reviews of her work as well as the industry paparazzi...IMHO, no one who has been so loved and admired before can completely ditch their desire to be popular...even dylan felt too deeply the attacks made on him for his spiritual changes, altering his course accordingly... ...after what was a definite two consecutive masterpiece output in hejira and DJRD and then the attacks on her for mingus, which was really a gift of love to a dying man, it is understandable yet sad that with all the crucifying pressure put on her that she would try to regain some popularity, shown so obviously, not on all tracks, but on some that have left some of the most creative fans wondering why her 80s work was, at least as entire albums, less masterful... ...what the hell, she still put out some songs that seemed better than ever, even on these 80's albums...who else has been so innovatedly inspired over such a long period? i get just as thrilled listening to Man From Mars as anything earlier! i've always maintained that she has always grown, in spite of a few 'discoiee' tracks in the 80's ...she never got as commercially bent as mccartney did, even after he put out some of the greatest songs ever... ...nor do i believe that her early love for klein was induced by substances...there was something unique about their love when compared with earlier attempts...and this songstress and experimenter of love saw something potentially great there...there was alot of hurt in the fallout later on...was he trancing her in all those years? i doubt it...she made choices as we all do, for better or for worse...in many ways i believe she came out more grounded after her relationship with him than before she met him...as a few have pointed out, she seemed pretty scattered around the time of Shadows and Light...i think she found something good, for a few years at least...they each gave something needed to the other, for a while... ...feeling so deeply in life, she seems to have been rewarded at times...even blessed, and as one reviewer noted, a bit like another scorpio rising creative,... goethe, who with all his romances, yet grew wiser with age, like fine wine... ciao to you all, shane www.angelfire.com/art/cactussong ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:13:19 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Observations Then there is the not-so-subtle version of This Flight Tonight done by Nazareth in the 1970's... bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 2:57 PM Subject: Re: Observations <> Oh, she's crying all the way to the bank! ;~) Given that her entire catalog hasn't outsold Tapestry, I would bet that a lot of Joni's wealth has been from the combined sales of all of those covers. Although probably NOT from that Brother Love Canal version... She discusses going for the "little royalty pennies" early on in her career, and she may have not had a lot of bonafide hits herself, but lordy she has been well-covered, probably only topped by The Beatles & Dylan I would guess in terms of the number of her songs that have been recorded by others. But to get back to what you were saying, she does introduce BSN on her 1983 tour by referring to it as "the child with the most mileage" and that she didn't always approve of the company it kept! ;~) Bob NP: The Smithereens, "Indigo Blues" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:44:43 -0400 From: "janine sherman" Subject: James Taylor concert NJC and Gordon Lightfoot question Hi everyone, For any JT fans out there, he is alive and very well and singing and playing better than ever. We had the pleasure of seeing and hearing him last evening at the Hershey Park Stadium. We were pretty close (on the floor in row 14 right in the center.) In fact, the sound and electric cables separated my husband's and my fold out chairs! He came out in a long -sleeved light blue denim button down shirt and khaki slacks. He seemed extremely relaxed and had an instant rapport with the audience. When he took a break, he joked that he would eat a couple of big "Chocolate Bars" while we did. ( Hershey , get it?) When people from the audience would yell out the name of a song for him, he would lift up the set list that was written on a big black board and say "we're getting to it, not quite yet -it's coming up here" and point to it with a big grin. It was a beautiful, breezy, cool evening and he was in tip top form - in fact I don't think his voice has ever been stronger or better. Russ Kunkel joined him in the second half of the concert on drums. He had 2 male and 2 female back- up singers , another drummer , a sax/flautist. and another guitarist. Second half there were video scenes on the backdrops/ mostly nature to match songs. So new fatherhood must agree with him! He did two encores and closed singularly playing acoustic Sweet Baby James. AWESOME! I have a question about Gordon Lightfoot. A have always been a fan of his and while we were in Vancouver, Canada on Canada Day recently, we saw a concert of his airing on TV. His voice and energy was fantastic, but man did he look ill! He had aged double his years. Anyone know if he has been tragically ill lately? He played well and sounded good, but I was shocked to see how gaunt he was. Anybody????? Thanks! As ever, Janine Counting the days till Toronto and Joni Tribute. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:14:51 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: James Taylor concert NJC and Gordon Lightfoot question In a message dated 7/12/01 4:48:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, sherman@netrax.net writes: > When he took a break, he joked that he > would eat a couple of big "Chocolate Bars" while we did. ( Hershey , get > it?) > Did you have fun watching his hairline recede a little farther ;0) rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:29:09 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: Joni Parody - National Lampoon I like this parody! First, it's funny, and second, it's an intelligent parody in that it has an inkling of what a (seventies) Joni song was really like. Mostly, when people parody Joni they present a hippie chick singing about rainbows or something. > > hi all - > > i was poking around on the internet today and found that national lampoon > did a ' joni mitchell' parody called ' you put me through hell' . has - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:35:55 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Jonifest Update: THE LIST!!! Hi everyone! Here is a new and improved updated list for the New England Labor Day Jonifest 2001: (If you are not in the right category, are missing from this list and want to attend, have decided not to attend (Foolish One!), or I don't have where you are from, please let me know and I will update your status.) As you can see, there is a great crowd of people coming. Don't be left out! If you are hanging on the fence, get your butt off, and join us! Hugs, Ashara **I will be there!!!!!!!!** Ashara and Sal from MA Heather from CT Megan from NY Pearl and Steve from FL Rose from NJ Maggie from MA Nikki from PA Paz from New Orleans Kakki from CA Steve Polifka from WI Lama from KY Wally K. from Argentina Bob Murphy from RI Chris Marshall from England Bob Muller from SC Chuck E. from MA Anne Sandstrom from MA Patrick from NYC Jody from IL Alison E. from NYC Les from CO Julius from CA Stephen from Vancouver Chris from CT Mags from Canada Brian from NJ Jimmy from FL Loren from MD Marcel and Soizic from CA Lori from DC Jeff from NYC Yael from MI Hell from New Zealand Kerry from WI Garett from Ireland Russ from CA Claud from PA John van Tiel from Holland Les Ross from England Kay Ashley from NYC Donna Binkley from TX Ric Welch from MA Sue Cameron from MI Barbara and Steve from CA Catherine McKay from Canada Jody Serkes Willy the Shake Leslie Mixon from CA Susan Guzzi **Maybes** Kammy from Alabammy Debra from NYC Kate and Jeff from CA Terry from MI Steve Mixon from CA Bryan Thomas and Cindy Ferrari from NY Linda Montelione from NY Jacky from England Sue McNamara from NY Jenny Goodspeed from MA ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:44:40 EDT From: CaT627@cs.com Subject: Catgirl on Joni Only Wow, How exciting! Two lovely letter from two lovely gentlemen in one day.....Oh I feel faint....one from Wally K. and one from Steve P. Thanks gentlemen. Well, I am on the only joni list so this has to include her. Does anyone have any info. regarding the Joni gathering or whatever up in Canada? I read somewhere that their is a tribute or something that is going on for a couple of months and no I don't mean the one from last year up in Saskatoon. Any info would be great. And, Is it too late to do sign up for Joni Fest up in Boston, or did I miss the performance sign up again like last year? Catgirl..pulling out the ole guitar and wondering, why, why, why? PS anything non Joni anyone would like to ask me just email me off list. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:51:34 EDT From: CaT627@cs.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Update: THE LIST!!! In a message dated 7/12/2001 6:42:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: << Hell from New Zealand >> If she is coming all the way over here, then I got to get up there some how. Hell, You have been a wonderful person to me...I gotta meet ya! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:03:33 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: joni on cobain In a message dated 7/12/01 8:31:18 AM Eastern Daylight Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << "I'm a runaway from the record biz From the hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids" >> Couldn't one say that some of Joni's song were a bit whiny? I don't think they are, but it's not implausible to view them that way. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:05:56 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Jonifest(njc) Unfortunately, it is not looking like Holley and I will be able to attend Jonifest this year, due to continued financial struggles. I am rather disappointed but will definately be there in spirit. We are currently trying to move to Athens and find suitable employment there so there are alot of unknowns at this point. On the bright side, Holley's cd is being picked up by at least one nationwide distributor who contacted us recently. And we were able to enjoy to enjoy a week at the beach with my family. But, alas, its back to hitting the pavement, which is proving to be very hard, so please keep us in your thoughts. "I'm just waiting for my ship to come in...." Victor Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:46:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni Parody - National Lampoon Bruyere wrote: > hi all - > > i was poking around on the internet today and found that national lampoon > did a ' joni mitchell' parody called ' you put me through hell' . has > anyone heard of this? Yeah, the strange thing about it is, it's a Joni parody, but sung by a man, and somehow it still works. It was readily available on Napster, but probably isn't now. It's included in the Rhino 3CD boxset "Buy This Box or We'll Shoot This Dog: The Best of the National Lampoon Radio Hour" , I don't have it and didn't make that up.... > years ago a local college station (suny binghamton) > used to play the national lampoon radio hour but i missed this one. > here's the site: > http://www2.bitstream.net/~marksim/natlamp/nlrh/nlrhshows.html > Great resource on Nat Lamp Radio Hour! They put out an amazing amount of stuff... > ps - does anyone know of any cd pressings of national lampoon stuff? Besides the box set, the only other CD in print is "Gold Turkey: National Lampoon Radio Hour / Greatest Hits" . Natioal Lampoon made, probably 6 or 7 albums in the vinyl days, Radio Dinner is a good one - they all have cool stuff on them, and you can still find them in used vinyl stores etc. RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:49:24 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest(njc) In a message dated 7/12/01 7:10:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, waytoblu@mindspring.com writes: > Unfortunately, it is not looking like Holley and I will be able to attend > Jonifest this year, due to continued financial struggles. I am rather > disappointed but will definately be there in spirit. Victor Johnson not at Jonifest ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? That's like Joni without "Hejira"!!! Who's gonna play the Flugelhorn, Tuba, Cornet, Piccolo, Lute, Afghani Rebab, kalimbas, cabasas, singing bowls, tubanos, cello, cocus wood bagpipes?????? Tell us Victor!!!! Who Who Who????? Who's gonna replace that great voice of yours??? Okay, Muller, Paz, Murphy, & WallyK have all agreed to prostitute themselves for the next few weeks so you and Holley can attend. Agreed? Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:58:20 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Parody - NJC In a message dated 7/12/01 7:55:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > Yeah, the strange thing about it is, it's a Joni parody, but sung by > a man, and somehow it still works. It was readily available on > Napster, but probably isn't now. Napster should be completely shut down now, in accordance with the federal judge's order to do so until it could maintain 100% compliance with the prior ruling. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 16:59:10 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Great post... Can't argue with any of this but I wonder why WTRF gets catagorized as a 'happy' album....the title track is about loss, only three of the songs really qualify as happy... Solid Love You're So Square Underneath the Streetlight Three are philosophical: Be Cool Moon At the Window Love The rest deal with more complex emotional themes: Chinese Cafe WTRF Ladies' Man (written for Tim Meadows?) You Dream Flat Tires Man To Man On second thought, 3 positive songs DOES sort of make it Joni's 'happy' album ; ) RR dsk wrote: > I can't join the WTRF-bashing club either, however, since I like the energy of > that cd. It's not a favorite or one of her best but I think it's great that > Joni was so wildly in love that she was crazed (or maybe it was drugs... I > don't know... I much prefer the love idea... drugs don't always produce > euphoric feelings the way early love can). I think Joni somewhere said it's > much more difficult to write happy songs and WTRF shows that to be the case. > Why ponder relationships enough to write complex lyrics when life is so > completely enjoyable? Who wants to (or can) dissect that? So, stuck in the > middle of her collection of cds about romantic angst and melancholy and being > hypercritical is this aberration with lyrics so lightweight they're downright > silly sometimes. It does have some snappy tunes, though, and I can enjoy it > for that. Solid Love is one of my favorites because of the sheer joy of it and > the way the lyrics twist within the music, which is typical Joni. > > I wonder what we'd all think of this album if it had been done by anyone other > than Joni. My guess is it would be more highly regarded, or at least > appreciated as a decent pop album. > > Debra Shea > > NP: the David Letterman Show... he may be very weird but I like him a lot. > His attitude-based humor makes me laugh much more than the one-liners of > supposedly good guy Jay Leno ever do. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 17:02:38 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: an asteroid for Joni next? njc IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Several asteroids, or "minor planets," were > previously named for Elvis Presley, Jerry Garcia, Eric Clapton and > Frank Zappa. Hey! Where the heck is Bobby Sherman??? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:10:09 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: an asteroid for Joni next? njc In a message dated 7/12/01 8:02:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: > IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > > Several asteroids, or "minor planets," were > > previously named for Elvis Presley, Jerry Garcia, Eric Clapton and > > Frank Zappa. > > Hey! Where the heck is Bobby Sherman??? > > Obviously, Sherman is a STAR in his own right and needs no mere asteroid named for him. Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:17:57 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Re: Joni Parody - NJC IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > Napster should be completely shut down now, in accordance with the federal > judge's order to do so until it could maintain 100% compliance with the prior > ruling. It is. But there are many other "file sharing" programs out there. My fave is Mactella. np: Eva Cassidy - Songbird ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:20:27 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Jonifest(njc) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > Okay, Muller, Paz, Murphy, & WallyK have all agreed to prostitute > themselves for the next few weeks so you and Holley can attend. Agreed? > > Jimmy At the risk of great bodily harm to myself I must ask: do you really all think that you can raise more than lose change that way? LOL! (the Rev) Vince who does know that Jesus loves the prostitutes but while it may keep some people from starving,. it may cause other people to starve... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:33:10 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Jonifest(njc) all right, vince... lemme tell ya something... nah, i better not... wallyK, my throat bought me a mercedes - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Vince Lavieri Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Julio de 2001 09:20 p.m. Para: FMYFL@aol.com CC: waytoblu@mindspring.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Jonifest(njc) FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > Okay, Muller, Paz, Murphy, & WallyK have all agreed to prostitute > themselves for the next few weeks so you and Holley can attend. Agreed? > > Jimmy At the risk of great bodily harm to myself I must ask: do you really all think that you can raise more than lose change that way? LOL! (the Rev) Vince who does know that Jesus loves the prostitutes but while it may keep some people from starving,. it may cause other people to starve... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:44:33 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Jonifest(njc) I got my Mercedes by singing, as in, "Oh Lord, won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz..." opps, wrong list! (the Rev) Vince by the way, what kind of cars do we all drive? I have a $600 Subaru that looks like what you'd expect and is great for running around town especially in the winter - and my Datsun 300ZX which is the total opposite of a humble little clergy person/legal assistant but what the hell - it is cool as anything and gets 30 miles to the gallon Wally Kairuz wrote: > all right, vince... lemme tell ya something... nah, i better not... > > wallyK, my throat bought me a mercedes ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2001 20:55:53 -0400 From: "Gerald A. Notaro" Subject: Cars-NJC Vince Lavieri wrote: > > by the way, what kind of cars do we all drive? Great thread. I drive a red Acura CL, which I love. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:01:27 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Baby You Can Drive My Car, (NJC) In a message dated 07/12/2001 5:48:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << by the way, what kind of cars do we all drive? >> An easy question to rouse myself out of the shadows for just a bit. For years and years I drove a Volvo. (yah, yah, it is gut car for da money), but recently bought a Subaru Legacy. Which runs like a top. Best Car/Worst Car in my life: A tie between my old Yugo and our 1969 E Type Jaguar. Okay, now I'm out of breath. MG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:05:36 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Cars-NJC > Vince Lavieri wrote: > > > > > by the way, what kind of cars do we all drive? > > Great thread. I drive a red Acura CL, which I love. > > Jerry > I've been told my car is a lesbian-mobile. Mark in Seattle (who really doesn't care much about cars) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:16:13 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest(njc) In a message dated 7/12/01 7:28:39 PM, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << do you really all think that you can raise more than lose change that way? >> I can raise more than loose change . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 21:18:38 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Baby You Can Drive My Car, (NJC) In a message dated 7/12/01 9:05:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: > Oh my gawd MG, you had a Yugo. This girl that I worked with had one and the car literally fell apart. We use to kid and say the Yugo don't go. I've owed 3 VW's in my life, a Subaru 4wd wagon, 2 Mazdas and 2 Toyoto Corollas. I'll take the Japanese rice rockets any day. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 22:28:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Jonifest(njc) you sure can, baby. INDEED. wallyK, sooo naughty tonite!!! - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Murphycopy@aol.com Enviado el: Jueves, 12 de Julio de 2001 10:16 p.m. Para: revrvl@chartermi.net; FMYFL@aol.com CC: waytoblu@mindspring.com; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Jonifest(njc) In a message dated 7/12/01 7:28:39 PM, revrvl@chartermi.net writes: << do you really all think that you can raise more than lose change that way? >> I can raise more than loose change . . . --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:30:10 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Observations/Joni cover performances SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > <> > > Oh, she's crying all the way to the bank! ;~) > > Given that her entire catalog hasn't outsold Tapestry, I would bet that a lot of Joni's wealth has been from the combined sales of all of those covers. Although probably NOT from that Brother Love Canal version... > > She discusses going for the "little royalty pennies" early on in her career, and she may have not had a lot of bonafide hits herself, but lordy she has been well-covered, probably only topped by The Beatles & Dylan I would guess in terms of the number of her songs that have been recorded by others. The greater portion of her wealth would have come from those songs being played on the radio, on television, in movies etc. Mechanical royalties from record sales are a pittance compared to that. Both Sides Now has had 4 million performances. Big Yellow Taxi has had 1 million performances. Help Me has had 1 million performances. Woodstock has had 1 million performances. Together these total the same amount as the most performed BMI song ever - - "You've Lost That Loving Feeling". Holland/Dozier/Holland, Paul Simon, Elton John and the Eagles are probably the only other BMI writers besides the Beatles who surpass her in broadcast performances. Dylan is an ASCAP writer and they don't have the same info available from what I can tell. Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:36:27 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Baby You Can Drive My Car, (NJC) I have a 6 month old Toyota Solara convertible which sits in the driveway alot since I found a very clean 1975 Yamaha RD200 motorcycle two months ago. (It has also been sitting more since gas has been north of $1.75/gallon here.) In addition to lightening the load, that bike makes me feel 13 again.... Brenda n.p.: Family Stand - "Butter" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:39:22 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Joni Parody - NJC I'm digging Audiogalaxy and Music City's Morpheus. "Gerald A. Notaro" wrote: > IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Napster should be completely shut down now, in accordance with the federal > > judge's order to do so until it could maintain 100% compliance with the prior > > ruling. > > It is. But there are many other "file sharing" programs out there. My fave is > Mactella. > > np: Eva Cassidy - Songbird ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:43:09 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Re: joni on cobain Bob wrote: >"I'm a runaway from the record biz >From the hoods in the hood and the whiny white kids" >I'm sure based on what she said about Kurt she would put him in that latter >category, he might have even inspired the lyric! I hope that Joni didn't have Cobain in mind when she wrote those lyrics. Cobain's songs are not whiney, they are expressions of a very troubled mind. He wasn't a rich kid playing at angst but a talented musician who suffered from depression and drug addiction and ended his life despite (because of?) success. While Joni can be irritating and arrogant, I choose to believe that she is not that insensitive. For now anyway. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 19:06:37 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs > Great post... > Can't argue with any of this but I wonder why WTRF gets catagorized > as a 'happy' album....the title track is about loss, only three of the > songs really qualify as happy... > Solid Love > You're So Square > Underneath the Streetlight > Three are philosophical: > Be Cool > Moon At the Window > Love > The rest deal with more complex emotional themes: > Chinese Cafe > WTRF > Ladies' Man (written for Tim Meadows?) > You Dream Flat Tires > Man To Man > On second thought, 3 positive songs DOES sort of make it Joni's > 'happy' album ; ) > RR What a relief! I thought I was going to have to make this point all over again! As Randy says there are 3, count 'em, 3 love-happy songs on WTRF (and Joni didn't even write one of them). I'm listening to WTRF as I write this. I've never considered it one of my favorites but listening to it tonight I think it's a damn good record! It doesn't sound like anything I remember hearing on the radio in the 80s (neither do DED or CMIARS for that matter). I think the jazz influence is still very evident on this record (Be Cool, Moon at the Window, Ladies Man and what great things David Lahm did with Solid Love!) Joni's originality and genius are all over this record. I had no idea that Steve Lukather played with Toto but then I never bought any of their records or paid much attention to them. I have to admit, I kinda liked 'Africa' - it was sort of dramatic and had some interesting sounds going on in it. I had forgotten about 'Roseanna'. Understandable. It was pretty fluffy and forgettable. Sounded very sterile and canned to me. Anyway, WTRF doesn't make me think of either one of those records or any other record for that matter. Also, whoever said there was no synth work on this record is wrong. Look at the liner notes. Probably 2/3 of the songs have some kind of synthesizer listed. Joni was moving in that direction and I don't think Larry Klein or record sales or trends in music or anything but her own curiousity and desire to explore the possibilities of synthesized sounds pushed her or influenced her to go that way. And hasn't Joni always used musicians who were 'in vogue' at the time she made her records? - CSN, James Taylor, the LA Express, Larry Carlton, Wayne Shorter, Jaco Pastorius to name a few. Lyrically WTRF doesn't have that intense, exhaustive introspection that Hejira has but so what? Joni ain't never gonna make another record like Hejira, so get over it o-KAY??! But seriously, there are some great lines on WTRF. Some very clever and witty, some very deep and some straight to the point. I'm going to skip 'Chinese Cafe' 'cause it seems most everybody likes that one: Winter beat the pines about He heard the heater cutting in & out While she dreamed away To me this paints a very clear picture of a woman sleeping peacefully next to someone she feels confident is going to be around for awhile while the man is lying awake, running hot & cold (the heater cutting in & out), feeling very restless and contemplating running as fast & as far as he can from this relationship. You could charm the diamonds off a rattlesnake I guess you learn to refuse What you think you can't handle You're acting like a vandal Wrecking the dream At the first bad scene This theme gets repeated in 'You Dream Flat Tires', somebody who seems to want to destroy a relationship before it even gets started. Love happy cheery stuff, huh? People don't know how to love They taste it and toss it Turn it off and on Like a bathtub faucet Is it possible to learn How to care and yet not care? Since love has two faces Hope and despair And pleasure always turns to fear I find Nice light-hearted, meaningless, love-silly, throw-away pop lyric, ain't it? Ok, Solid Love is a romp. But it's a very clever and fun little romp. Love has always made me feel so uneasy I couldn't relax and just be me More like some strange disease Than this solid love moving on... If your heart is on the floor Cause you've just seen your lover coming thru the door with a new fool Be cool ..... Don't whine Kiss off that flaky valentine You're nobody's fool Perfect lyrics for the title and theme of this song. Witty & biting at the same time. With a jack and a spare You're trying to get to where love is Coming in on a rim and a prayer You're trying to get to where love is Great metaphor and she does a beautiful job of sustaining it throughout the song. I don't like to lie But I sure can be phony when I get scared I stick my nose up in the air Stoney, stoney when I get scared One of her most nakedly honest lyrics. This is as unsparing a bit of self examination as she has ever written, imo. I swear by the streetlight on the corner Shoving back the shadows One shadow cursing Another shadow laughing Underneath the streetlight I don't know where they're coming from I just see them passing Underneath the streetlight I put this song in the same category as 'Chelsea Morning' and 'Night in the City' - sheer exuberance. I think this one has some great poetry in it. Since 'Love' is an adaptation of a Biblical verse, I'm not going to quote from it. Having just heard it a few minutes ago, I still think it is quite lovely. So pull WTRF out and listen to it again and try to forget about Joni as 'a girl with a guitar'. We all know she's more than that and I really can't imagine that Larry Klein had such a profound influence on her that he 'ruined' all of her 80s output. I honestly don't think anybody could sway Joni into putting something on a record that she didn't want on there. He may have wanted to influence her or have more of a role in the making of those albums and what may have caused trouble in their marriage was that she probably wouldn't let him. Anyway that's what I think and that is what I said! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #291 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?