From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #290 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, July 12 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 290 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] JONI'S WRITING ["Dave and Beth Fairall" ] Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC [Michael Paz ] speaking of powder ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #212 [CaT627@cs.com] RE: jonatha/late night invites NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [dsk ] Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC [dsk ] mujer gato is back njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] joni on cobain [Paul Harrill ] Re: joni on cobain [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: chat room NJC ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:43:41 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC Michael Paz wrote: > Paul was not very friendly and always seemed wound up like he might > have had a powder or sumthing. Speaking of those fine white lines...Schaffer is notorious. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:01:46 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC SC Joni Guy replied: "don't know specifically any of the answers to your questions about the incestuousness of the King-Mitchell-Taylor-Kortchmar etc. stuff, I just always assumed they always shared a mutual respect for each other's work." I also noticed that Carole King played piano on the Sweet Baby James album in 1970. So, they had been working together for over a year, at least, it seems. Quite a scene back then, that Laurel Canyon ! Bob M also replied: "I will give a shot at this one: <> I think for a record to have this kind of massive success, either it gets LOTS of press & hype (Peter Frampton, Ricky Martin) or it has broad appeal to many different people (The Eagles, Garth Brooks). EVERYBODY liked Tapestry; kids, parents, conservatives, radicals, black, white, and all in between. It's the kind of record you would buy as a gift for someone with no reservation. It's the kind of record you'd replace because you wore it out." Yes, I agree with your focus there - one does not have to think an album is the greatest to buy it, one must simply think it is worth buying. Clearly, in Tapestry's case, just about everyone thought so. And equally clearly in Blue's case, not everyone did. As I have said before, the average American is a scary thing (not to excuse the average Canadian, Brit, Aussie, etc.) :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:16:07 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC David Lahm replied: "I've said it onlist several times before, but I don't mind once again contending that Joni Mitchell is as great a songwriter as there's been in the English language for the second half of the last century." What's this ? He's stealing my lines. OK. I'll compete. If we throw in the singing, arranging, instrument playing. production skills and paintings, I would venture to amend the following: 1. Change "a songwriter" to "an artist" 2. Change "language" to "speaking world" 3. Change "second half" to "third third" (I am an actuary - not some decimal in Ray's Dad's class - and I cannot speak to the pre-1968 period with any conviction on account of my youth - I was only two when the second half ot the 20th century began - in 1951 by the way). Young Grampa Bob S. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:01:52 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: jonatha/late night invites NJC ha that certainly explains why he is so annoying...(rose is gonna soon tell us all to move it on over to the chat room soon! hey rosey! ;~}) Michael Paz wrote: > Paul was not very friendly and always seemed wound up like he might > have had a powder or sumthing. Speaking of those fine white lines...Schaffer is notorious. B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:44:15 -0500 From: "Dave and Beth Fairall" Subject: JONI'S WRITING David, I've been a "lister" for several years now, more of a lurker since the birth of my son due to time constraints, general fatigue etc...but I really admire your Joni record, and comments about her influence and preeminent status as a composer. I am also a musician, {saxophone}, and was initially drawn to Joni in college, as Court and Spark, and to a lesser extent Blue, were mandatory soundtracks in the dorm, over 20 years ago. At the time I was immersed in jazz studies, and it wasn't until I heard Don Juan and Mingus that I realized her depth, and that she had / has, no peers. I was, and still am, a huge Weather Report fan, and am of the opinion that they were one of the most important bands to emerge in my generation. There are few artists who have re-invented themselves as Joni has, and whose musical maturation has occurred on such a public stage, recognized by those who are intuitive enough to appreciate and marvel at her genius. Her body of work is impressive on so many levels. Thanks for your consistently insightful remarks, and for articulating your admiration of Joni so graciously!! Dave F. [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:47:49 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC I was just in the chat room and they aint nobody home Paz on 7/11/01 8:01 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > ha that certainly explains why he is so annoying...(rose is gonna soon tell > us all to move it on over to the chat room soon! hey rosey! ;~}) > > > Michael Paz wrote: > >> Paul was not very friendly and always seemed wound up like he might >> have had a powder or sumthing. > > Speaking of those fine white lines...Schaffer is notorious. > > B ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:22:40 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post twas written that >>>Joni Mitchell's originality, musicianship and boldness as a persona in her songwriting are of a completely different and greater order than those qualities in CK or CS. They are first-rate singers and so is Joni--that's the only artistic category where parity exists, IMO. <<< i agree that joni stands alone however early carole king is waaay up there in my opinion...but then i am more of a pop/r&b/hooky kind of music lover than a jazz freak...as far as their voices go (ck & cs)...imho i don't think they are so great...but carole makes up for it with her great songs....however i like carly's harmonies a lot...(colin don't be mad at me...) ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 23:50:45 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Joni Parody - National Lampoon hi all - i was poking around on the internet today and found that national lampoon did a ' joni mitchell' parody called ' you put me through hell' . has anyone heard of this? years ago a local college station (suny binghamton) used to play the national lampoon radio hour but i missed this one. here's the site: http://www2.bitstream.net/~marksim/natlamp/nlrh/nlrhshows.html scroll down and you'll find the listing. if i am the only jmdler who has not heard of this .... then please for give me. heather ps - does anyone know of any cd pressings of national lampoon stuff? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:41:16 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: speaking of powder since we are on that subject & also toto...i was in a session where jeff p was the drummer (may he rest in peace).. it was the 80's & boy was he doin a lot of that stuff... however much he did he never missed a beat- literally...everyone was impressed (& we were sober)... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:08:36 EDT From: CaT627@cs.com Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V2001 #212 Les, Please, oh please give me all joni and no digest. I would do it myself but I don't know how. thanks so much! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:48:15 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: jonatha/late night invites NJC anyone for a chat...no disguised paz! gonna go check in... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:32:24 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC In a message dated 7/11/01 11:52:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > I was just in the chat room and they aint nobody home > > We should set up an official time and or day to meet. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:48:40 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Randy Remote wrote: > I still think WTRF is an excellent album-I like the electric > guitars, I like the absence of cheesy synths, I vastly prefer it > to NRH which to me seems kind of tuneless and bland. > Hey, it's a lonely club. Yeah, it must be. NRH was like a breath of fresh air after Joni's "lost in the sounds" 80s albums so I can't join in your little club. Listening to NRH for the first time was an "ahhhh, I can HEAR her again!!" Joni was still speaking plainly about loving her man, but she'd returned to being grounded in what she sees instead of being overwhelmed with feelings as she was in WTRF. Plus there were definite melodies and plenty of story songs again... so "normal" Joni was back. Made me happy and enthusiastic about her work again. (Chinese Cafe is more subdued and complex than any of the other songs but does end with the "I need your love, Godspeed your love to me" lines, so in that way it does lead (barely) into the rest of the cd. It seems like the precursor to Come in from the Cold. And "Love" seems to be more like the songs on TTT with its meandering melody and lyrics.) I can't join the WTRF-bashing club either, however, since I like the energy of that cd. It's not a favorite or one of her best but I think it's great that Joni was so wildly in love that she was crazed (or maybe it was drugs... I don't know... I much prefer the love idea... drugs don't always produce euphoric feelings the way early love can). I think Joni somewhere said it's much more difficult to write happy songs and WTRF shows that to be the case. Why ponder relationships enough to write complex lyrics when life is so completely enjoyable? Who wants to (or can) dissect that? So, stuck in the middle of her collection of cds about romantic angst and melancholy and being hypercritical is this aberration with lyrics so lightweight they're downright silly sometimes. It does have some snappy tunes, though, and I can enjoy it for that. Solid Love is one of my favorites because of the sheer joy of it and the way the lyrics twist within the music, which is typical Joni. I wonder what we'd all think of this album if it had been done by anyone other than Joni. My guess is it would be more highly regarded, or at least appreciated as a decent pop album. Debra Shea NP: the David Letterman Show... he may be very weird but I like him a lot. His attitude-based humor makes me laugh much more than the one-liners of supposedly good guy Jay Leno ever do. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:53:51 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC Notorious NOW??? I thought he'd cleaned up his act since his years with Saturday Night Live (during its wildest time), especially now that he's a father. Are you sure it's not just his earlier reputation still sticking to him? Debra Shea "Brenda J. Walker" wrote: > Michael Paz wrote: > > > Paul was not very friendly and always seemed wound up like he might > > have had a powder or sumthing. > > Speaking of those fine white lines...Schaffer is notorious. > > B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:22:33 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: mujer gato is back njc hey femme chat!!!! i didn't know you were on the list!!!!! hey everybody! say happy birthday to drop dead gorgeous DW who finally turned 17 on june 27!!!! we love you mujer gato! wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 01:49:01 -0400 From: Paul Harrill Subject: joni on cobain Hi all, I'm new to the list and I joined so that I could ask you all this (admittedly weird) question: Years ago (94, to be precise) I remember reading a quotation by JM regarding Kurt Cobain and his suicide. Does anyone remember reading this? If so, what did she say? Thanks, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 02:07:51 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: Re: joni on cobain In a message dated 7/12/01 12:43:07 AM, pharrill@utk.edu writes: << Years ago (94, to be precise) I remember reading a quotation by JM regarding Kurt Cobain and his suicide. Does anyone remember reading this? >> Hi, Paul: Welcome to the list, even if it is just for this one question. I think this may be the quotation you're looking for, although it is dated January, 1998. It's from an article at the incredible jmdl.com: "Everybody says Kurt Cobain was a great writer. I don't see it," Mitchell says. "Why is he a hero? Whining and killing yourself - I fail to see the heroism in that." You can read the entire article at <> Take care, --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 18:18:46 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: chat room NJC Paz wrote: > > I was just in the chat room and they aint nobody home To which Rose replied: > We should set up an official time and or day to meet. And I definitely second that! It's impossible to find anyone in there. But that might be because it's 2am, or 5am on the other side of the world! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 4:32 PM Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC > In a message dated 7/11/01 11:52:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > > > > rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #290 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?