From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #289 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 289 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Brian Wilson ALERT-TNT tonite njc ["Kakki" ] Vegemite NJC [john low ] Wild Things, white powder and stuff [LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk] brian wilson & lucinda williams njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) ["Bill Pearson" ] Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long reply! ["hell" ] Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post [RoseMJoy@aol.com] RE: brian wilson njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Joni, WTRF, and drugs [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs ["Kakki" ] Re: brian wilson njc ["Kakki" ] NJC Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [Randy Remote ] RE: brian wilson njc ["Kate Bennett" ] RE: brian wilson njc [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: brian wilson njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs [AzeemAK@aol.com] Foni Mitchell featuring Vikki Clayton [Fonimitchell@aol.com] NJC hokey pokey [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs ["colin" ] Re: NJC hokey pokey ["colin" ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs ["colin" ] Re: Foni Mitchell featuring Vikki Clayton [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] TNT Brian Wilson Tribute [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Joni And The White Lines....... [Whizzboom@aol.com] Re: i'm back [Michael Paz ] Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post [Bobsart48@aol.com] Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC [Michael Paz Subject: Re: Brian Wilson ALERT-TNT tonite njc Well never mind, it IS coming on here at midnight instead of 9 p.m. Sorry for the bandwidth and my dumb mistake but I didn't want anyone to miss it! Running for the tape... Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:21:08 +1000 From: john low Subject: Vegemite NJC Well, Jimmy, I think Hell has said everything that needs to be said about our 'down under' yeast extracts. I must admit that I prefer Marmite too - I still eat it on my lunch sandwiches! And, I just love it on toast as a late night snack! There were some cute advertisements on television years ago for Vegemite - full of "happy little vegemites" (ie. healthy Aussie kids) being told how a sandwich of V. would "put a rose in every cheek". They probably didn't get shown in NZ and were before young Hell's time anyway, but Gerald in Melbourne will probably remember. Regards, John. __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:27:57 +0100 From: LXROSS@ctrl.co.uk Subject: Wild Things, white powder and stuff I'm reading the speculation about WTRF and the presence of Cocaine as the drug of choice at the time of its making. This is probably one of my least listened-to collections of Joni songs. With the notable exception of 'Love' the rest just don't connect at all. Some good things there but I really didn't enjoy the 'band' thing nor the production. Anyway on the cocaine thing I wanted to offer the following. I'm sure I read somewhere that Joni wrote lyrics to some of Hejira's songs while 'investigating' the effects of cocaine. I'm sure too that she related she was appreciative of its qualities in a limited sense but recognised the longer term bankruptcy of prolonged use. Here, while I was writing this I found the reference from Q magazine in the brilliant jmdl joni-article search engine.... But you eventually tried them? Oh yeah, I tried everything. Well, I never tried heroin because I thought, "What's the point? The worst that could happen would be you'd like it. But altered consciousness is completely tempting to a writer. I did some good writing, I think, on cocaine - Song For Sharon (Hejira) - but it kills your heart, takes all your energy, puts it up in your brain and gives you the arrogance that, you know, ruined Jaco Pastorius. (After destitute years of drink and drug problems the former Weather Report and Mitchell band bassist died last September after being beaten up outside a Florida club.) I watched it ruin a lot of people. see also : http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/8805q.cfm bests Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 23:48:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: brian wilson & lucinda williams njc just saw the brian wilson tribute & that song that vince gill/david crosby/jimmy webb did from Smile made me weap (again)...what was the name of that one? i am LOVING essence by lucinda williams...have only heard it once but i think it is incredible...she deserves that time award (best songwriter) imo ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 03:10:38 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: July 11 On July 11 these articles were published: 1994: "Just Me and My Guitar" - Vancouver Sun (Interview) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/940711vs.cfm 2000: "Joni" - CBC News (Biography) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/000711cbc.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 606 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 02:01:11 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: brian wilson & lucinda williams njc > just saw the brian wilson tribute & that song that vince >gill/david crosby/jimmy webb did from Smile made me >weap (again)...what was the name of that one? It was "Surf's Up", Kate - omigawd, I had major chills going through me the whole time. They performed it like it was some kind of celestial opera - unbelievably stunning. Some of the performers were soooo amazing. Aimee Mann and Michael Penn were absolutely, perfectly brilliant, Ann and Nancy Wilson with the Boy's Choir of Harlem on Good Vibrations was absolutely incredible, Matthew Sweet and Darius Rucker knocked me out on Sail On Sailor, and while I knew Vince Gill had a gorgeous voice, he totally blew me away tonight. Crosby was so right when he said Gill has the best voice in the business. Carly looked (and sang) fantastic. Everyone was really great and Brian himself was WONDERFUL. Wow, wow. I wish they would release these tributes on CD. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:24:19 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re:Shadows and Light (NJC) > From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com > I'm in the process of dealing my record collection on E-Bay as we speak. It's always surprising how some things generate a lot of bids and some things fall flat. Hey, Bob - Snap! And it's always the ones you don't expect. And do you find yourself hypnotised by the final countdown, or am I very sad? God bless E-Bay Sgt Rock np: Sandra St.Victor-If You Loved Yourself More ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:54:05 +0100 From: "Bill Pearson" Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) > From: MDESTE1@aol.com > My bet is that Toto bought the blow. Which explains everything from the "disjointedness" of the record to the sounds. The first time I heard WTRF Lukathers guitar parts just jumped out at me because his style is so (a) distinctive and (b) limited. I gotta jump in here and say whether you like Luke's playing or not, one thing he is not is limited! As a session player he would not have survived more than a few sessions and as he's played on a good thousand, before and during Toto, well go figure. If you hear that 'distinctive' sound it's because that's what was wanted by producer and artist and that's what was payed for. For me it's albums like that, not really what I want from Joni, that made NRH such a fantastic record and a breath of fresh air. I think I'm one of the few who also hates the VG8 Sarge np: Sandra St.Victor - Dizzy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:23:07 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long reply! Bob wrote: > It started the weekend before last, with my reading a review of Blue posted > in the Articles database here, in which Robert Hilburn of the LA Times wrote > that, in a rare year where albums by Carole King (Tapestry), Janis Joplin > (Pearl) and Carly Simon (debut) had already made their bids for places among > the top 10 albums of the year, Joni added a fourth female entry with Blue. He > makes no further comparisons between Blue and those other albums, in what is > a shortish but highly favorable review. I've snipped a great deal of your post - which I found very interesting, by the way - but I thought I'd add my two cents worth on Carole King, since I've been a fan of hers for much longer than I have Joni (that's not to say MORE of a fan, but I have followed her career/history with some interest). My brother gave me Tapestry when I was about nine years old (when I thought Abba and the Bee Gees just RULED) and he said "You may not like this now, but you'll thank me one day." Boy was he right! Tapestry is one of my favourite albums, and although (IMO) Carole's later works pale in comparison, and more so when you look at Joni's catalogue, it still ranks right up there as one of the greats. But I think in terms of writing "hit songs" Carole had a distinct advantage over Joni - which may or may not have anything to do with Tapestry's success. I don't have enough understanding to make any kind of definitive comment. But my opinion is this: Carole came from a "career" with Atlantic (I think?! - my brain is confused tonight), where she spent her days shut in a sound-booth in the Brill Building, writing hit songs for the latest "flavour of the month". I have a video where she talks about getting to work in the morning, and being told something like "the Drifters need a new hit record - you've got until Friday" and she and Gerry Goffin would tuck themselves away until they had a song, along with several other song-writing teams - she says at times it was almost like a competition to see who could write the best song in the shortest time! Obviously the process of writing the songs for Tapestry (at least the ones she wrote) was different, and far more personal, but I'm sure it gave her an advantage, and may be one reason why so many of those songs were hits - along with some of her later hits like Jazzman, Hard Rock Cafe, etc. As for the recording of Mud Slide Slim and Tapestry, Carole says on the same video that she and James had been good friends for a long time, and that the recording of the two albums felt like one big double album, as they were recorded at the same time - and there was a real "family" feel about the whole time. Many of the musicians (as you said) were being shared, and apparently the studios were very close (geographically). I'll dig out the video and transcribe exactly what she says - it's pretty interesting. You also wrote: > 11. After she and Goffin split up in 1967, she moved to Laurel Canyon with > her 2 daughters, and started a group called The City with her second husband, > Charles Larkey (bass - what's this with second husbands who are bass players ?), There's another similarity with Joni - Carole and Charles still get on fine, and perform together on the video I've got. Obviously singer-songwriters and bass players have very amicable break-ups and can continue working together! Hell __________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 07:04:47 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Vegemite NJC In a message dated 7/11/01 3:33:17 AM Eastern Daylight Time, johncb@start.com.au writes: > Well, Jimmy, I think Hell has said everything that needs to be said > Thanks for the info John and Hell ! And I always thought vegemite was an athropod that didn't eat meat and caused scabies :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 08:14:23 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post Bob, I remember a conversation I had when I was first thinking about an album of instrumental Mitchell interpretations. I was explaining my plans on the phone to a longtime friend who really knows the territory on recorded music (pre-heavy metal, I should add) and at one point he said something like "You have a very high opinion of JM, don't you? Rank her right up there with Carly Simon..." (CS is a great favorite of his.) Well, it was an effort not to laugh in his telephonic face. Joni Mitchell's originality, musicianship and boldness as a persona in her songwriting are of a completely different and greater order than those qualities in CK or CS. They are first-rate singers and so is Joni--that's the only artistic category where parity exists, IMO. I've said it onlist several times before, but I don't mind once again contending that Joni Mitchell is as great a songwriter as there's been in the English language for the second half of the last century. LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 09:11:12 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Judy Collins (SJC) A friend of mine just called me at work and said that Judy Collins is on the second part of today show and will be singing "Both Sides Now" in the next half hour (for those not on digest). Jimmy, going to get out my portable tv here at work to watch. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:37:37 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Bob's Cover Project - The European Connection Anyone in Europe interested in any copies of Bob Muller's Cover Project - or rather, since his new appointment as head of the FBI: Bob's Undercover Project - - please contact me off-list. Available: Volumes 1 thru 19. Costs: cost of blank disk(s) + P&P. For details, see the JMDL site. John van Tiel (the Dutch Uncle) NP: Kelly Joe Phelps - Sky Like A Broken Clock (just out; a fan-tas-tic album!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 15:51:56 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: testNJC [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type image/gif] [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type Image/jpeg] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:25:06 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post First things first, Bob...congrats on becoming a Grandpa! That's gotta be pretty exciting, I suppose you already have the junior clubs bought and on the way! ;~) I don't know specifically any of the answers to your questions about the incestuousness of the King-Mitchell-Taylor-Kortchmar etc. stuff, I just always assumed they always shared a mutual respect for each other's work. I will give a shot at this one: <> Ironically, the album that broke King's "Tapestry" record for consecutive weeks on Billboard's Top 200 was Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" which was WAY different. I would not describe it as a "hook-laden poppy" effort like Tapestry, which of course is also a masterwork in itself. I think for a record to have this kind of massive success, either it gets LOTS of press & hype (Peter Frampton, Ricky Martin) or it has broad appeal to many different people (The Eagles, Garth Brooks). EVERYBODY liked Tapestry; kids, parents, conservatives, radicals, black, white, and all in between. It's the kind of record you would buy as a gift for someone with no reservation. It's the kind of record you'd replace because you wore it out. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard "It's Too Late" the summer it was a hit, I wouldn't have to be in this cubicle right now! ;~) Bob NP: Smashing Pumpkins, "disarm" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:32:47 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post In a message dated 7/11/01 8:20:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Dflahm@aol.com writes: > I've said it onlist several times before, but I don't mind once again > contending that Joni Mitchell is as great a songwriter as there's been in > the > English language for the second half of the last century. > > > > I'll contend as well David. On my journey to and from the South last week, I caught in the corner of my eye my husband (who is not a Mitchell fan I'll add) slapping & tapping to the beat of one of the songs on DJRD. Also, while listening very attentively to Otis & Marlena, he lets out a roar of laughter. When I asked him what he was laughing at, he says: "I was just listening to some of her lyrics, this woman is insane!" I think what he really meant to say was this woman is a genius! Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 10:51:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: brian wilson njc thanks for that song...i didn't even hear the words i was so carried away by vince gill's soaring voice...if god has a voice it is vince gill...plus he is the nicest most down to earth guy so I have heard & you can just tell from his demeanor...this is the 2nd time i saw this tribute & that song made me sob even more the 2nd time around...geesh...unearthly...celestial opera is a great description... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 14:36:03 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Hey folks, i enjoyed the talk about WTRF in the last post...........and I agree with the whole "it was all downhill after Mingus theory" but, I would put in attendum, "but it was uphill from Night Ride Home". I think Joni's obvious love for Larry Klein overwhelmed her drive for quality and art, and it blindsighted her songwriting as a result. It just surprises me that an artist of such consistency could be so easily swayed from her convictions. AND........I don't believe Joni was strung out on cocaine during the making of WTRF (contrary to those awful promotional pics taken at the time), I think she was strung out on something more dangerous.....to quote a line of Joni's......"We got high on travel/And we got drunk on alcohol/and on love/the strongest poison and medicine of all...." Clearly Larry was her drug of choice throughout the 80's.........and we've seen some of the bad effects. Joni's commentary on her own cocaine use referred to the 75-76 period of her life...... THE HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS "some entire albums wouldn't exist without that drug" --she quotes..... and her thanks to "helpful henry, the housewife's delight" in the album credits HEJIRA "This prisoner of the fine white lines of the freeway" -- from "Coyote" "I did some good writing on cocaine, "Song For Sharon", but it kills your heart..." - from the Q, May 1988 issue ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 11:56:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs - --- BachelorNumero2@aol.com wrote: > I agree with the > whole "it was all downhill after Mingus theory" but, > I would put in attendum, > "but it was uphill from Night Ride Home". > > I think Joni's obvious love for Larry Klein > overwhelmed her drive for quality > and art, and it blindsighted her songwriting as a > result. Ummm ... I think you can have this one way, or the other, but not both. NRH & TI both credit Larry as Producer ... just like WTRF, DED & CMIARS. I think it vastly more likely that it was Joni's return to the acoustic guitar that steered her output more in the direction of your own personal tastes than any mordant compulsion of love ... in any case, file both our views in the folder marked "Pure Speculation"! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:42:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs I've also gotta chime in on the, shall I say, more "Columbian" aspects of this thread. Try this sometime ... if you have the discs: Put 2 each of Joni's and Stevie Nicks' 80s titles (your choice) in your CD player, and program it up to go through a song or two off each in alternate succession. THEN tell me who it was who was doing all the coke! ;-) I've said this before, but for those who haven't heard it ... there was more than just Bolivian marching powder that was grabbing musician's attentions and interest during the decade in question. In the 80s, digital technology created a whole new breed of synthesizer. Boards like the venerable Yamaha DX7 and the revolutionary Fairlight CMI became the absolute darlings of the entire music industry ... and yes, let's blame ourselves, the listening public. To put this into perspective, and since Joni's a painter, I'll put it this way. Imagine that all your life you've painted with water colors ... it's all you had. Then this miraculous new paint is invented called "oils" ... wouldn't you be blown away? That's the kind of impact the new keyboards had. It wasn't a conspiracy, it was a genuine phenomenon. Now of course, we can all look back with our 20/20 hindsight and pass any manner of value judegements about the phenomenon ... but like I said, at the time, it was genuine. Joni's fascination, I think, was no different than most artists ... I mean, have you listened to some of Neil Young's albums from the period? The only difference I see is that, in our reluctance to think our Joan so "jejune", we reflexively "kick the Klein." And that's a bit unfair. Okay, I'm off the sopabox now! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:17:42 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Phil, Just want to clarify that I never thought Joni was strung out on coke for WTRF and did not mean to imply that whatsoever in my posts. It's also been my understanding (and is documented) that she stopped using it around the time of Hejira. I don't think Marcel was referring to Joni, either, in his post about the proliferation of coke around musicians in LA back then. Kakki > AND........I don't believe Joni was strung out on >cocaine during the making of WTRF (contrary to those >awful promotional pics taken at the time), I think she >was strung out on something more dangerous.....to >quote a line of Joni's......"We got high on travel/And we >got drunk on alcohol/and on love/the strongest poison >and medicine of all...." Clearly Larry was her drug of >choice throughout the 80's.........and we've seen some of >the bad effects. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 12:31:28 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: brian wilson njc Kate wrote: > thanks for that song...i didn't even hear the words i was so carried away by > vince gill's soaring voice...if god has a voice it is vince gill...plus he > is the nicest most down to earth guy so I have heard & you can just tell > from his demeanor... If we think some of Joni's songs are hard to sing, check out Van Dyke Park's (typically) densely poetic lyrics to Surf's Up. It's amazing how Gill (especially with the impossibly high falsetto notes in some of the music), Crosby and Jimmy Webb pulled this one off so awesomely. It was a masterpiece performance. Kakki Surf's Up" Time: 2:37 Brother Publishing Co. BMI Recorded: 11/8/66 and 12/15/66 Additional recording: 1971 A side with "Don't Go Near The Water" Brian Wilson/Van Dyke Parks A diamond necklace played the pawn Hand in hand some drummed along, oh To a handsome man and baton A blind class aristocracy Back through the opera glass you see The pit and the pendulum drawn Columnated ruins domino Canvass the town and brush the backdrop Are you sleeping? Hung velvet overtaken me Dim chandelier awaken me To a song dissolved in the dawn The music hall a costly bow The music all is lost for now To a muted trumpeter swan Columnated ruins domino Canvass the town and brush the backdrop Are you sleeping, Brother John? Dove nested towers the hour was Strike the street quicksilver moon Carriage across the fog Two-Step to lamp lights cellar tune The laughs come hard in Auld Lang Syne The glass was raised, the fired rose The fullness of the wine, the dim last toasting While at port adieu or die A choke of grief heart hardened I Beyond belief a broken man too tough to cry Surf's Up Aboard a tidal wave Come about hard and join The young and often spring you gave I heard the word Wonderful thing A children's song Child, child, child, child, child A child is the father of the man Child, child, child, child, child A child is the father of the man A children's song Have you listened as they played Their song is love And the children know the way That's why the child is the father to the man Child, child, child, child, child Child, child, child, child, child Na na na na na na na na Child, child, child, child, child That's why the child is the father to the man Child, child, child, child, child ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 16:05:44 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs <> Great explanantion, Don, and I'll just add to that the proliferation of and REQUIREMENT of the music video & MTV as a sales tool. Lots of money & focus went to creating visuals for these folks as opposed to music. Some could succeed at both, like Peter Gabriel, but it was certainly an issue and again was driven by the listening public. Thankfully there seems to be much less of a focus on music videos today, or is it just that I don't notice them? Bob NP: Smashing Pumpkins, "Pug" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:09:04 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post Bobsart48@aol.com wrote: > > Q1. Has Tapestry sold more than all of Joni's combined ? I hope not, for my > sanity's sake. > Hope this doesn't send you off the deep end, but I believe Tapestry has outsold Joni's catalog. Joni has certified US sales of around 9 million. International sales probably add about another 3 million to that. And that's being a bit generous. Brenda n.p.- KCRW live ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:16:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: NJC Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > the proliferation of and REQUIREMENT of the music > video & MTV as a sales tool. > Oh yes ... video literally did, "kill the radio star" there for a stretch ... or was that "video MADE the radio star." Either way, it's a point that shouldn't be overlooked. > Thankfully there seems to be much less of a focus on > music videos today, or is it just that I don't > notice them? No, they're not there. MTV's just a series of barely adolescent cuties either taking their clothes off in Mexico, or fighting with each other in some docorator's nightmare garret in this year's trendiest city of the century. MTV2 plays videos ... but not nearly so many "new" ones. Video has indeed, gone from marketing necessity to marketing accessory. Probably for the better! Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:24:54 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs Kakki wrote: > It's also been > my understanding (and is documented) that she stopped using it around the > time of Hejira. From WTRF: Couldn't you just love me, like you love cocaine? Seems to imply that she had moved past the white powder at that point. I still think WTRF is an excellent album-I like the electric guitars, I like the absence of cheesy synths, I vastly prefer it to NRH which to me seems kind of tuneless and bland. Hey, it's a lonely club. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:20:39 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: brian wilson njc A masterpiece performance indeed!!! (LOL. The only words I heard were quicksilver moon & are you sleeping brother john & the part with children....) Try singing or even just SAYING "The pit and the pendulum drawn Columnated ruins domino" LOL. Anyone want to comment on what this song might be about? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:06:09 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: brian wilson njc <> On the album, it's about 4:12! ;~) That's all I'll venture, maybe Ken or Steve in Atlanta can fill us in... Bob NP: Smash Mouth, "Pet Names" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 13:49:49 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: brian wilson njc hahahahahahahahaha ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:43:26 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs In a message dated 11/07/01 20:56:36 GMT Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Just want to clarify that I never thought Joni was strung out on coke for WTRF and did not mean to imply that whatsoever in my posts. It's also been my understanding (and is documented) that she stopped using it around the time of Hejira. >> This very enjoyable thread has put me in mind of a line (please excuse the pun) from Abel Ferrara's Dangerous Game, a squalid and not-very-good film, although it does contain Madonna's best acting performance. Anyway, Harvey Keitel's character, the indie film director, says to his leading man, James Russo, words to the effect of "I don't care whether you have to take more drugs or less drugs, just give me what I need." That says a lot: snorting coke could help produce a masterpiece (Hejira, Station to Station - or Taxi Driver) or it could produce a monstrosity like Oasis's third album, which I'm convinced only got such reviews because all the hacks who reviewed it had been partaking themselves. Azeem in London Last played: Blur, The Great Escape - I've been listening to some neglected albums, with the intention of getting rid of a few - this one just about survives the cut although it's far too long ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:57:26 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell featuring Vikki Clayton Hi everyone. Just a reminder about Friday's gig (13th July) with Vikki Clayton on lead vocals. The Robin 2, Mount Pleasant, Bilston (Nr. Wolverhampton), West Midlands. New song in set - The Gallery. Bye for now. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 19:19:26 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: NJC hokey pokey A friend on another interlist wrote: "I don't usually pass on news like this but sometimes we need to pauseand remember what life is all about. There was a great loss recently in the entertainment world. Larry LaPrise, the Detroit native who wrote the song "Hokey Pokey" died last week at 83. It was especially difficult for the family to keep him in the casket. They put his left leg in and...well, you know the rest." Since I got this post while I was doing other research I took a break and researched this: The joke is making its way around the internet. I found the following on an English website, of rather recent date it would appear, called "Journey into melody" at http://www.rfsoc.freeserve.co.uk/Journal%20Into%20Melody.htm "Oh dear, we should have known we were asking for trouble when we printed that humorous anecdote about Larry LaPrise in our last issue! Larry (you may, or may not recall) was the composer of that 1950s hit The Hokey Cokey (which seems to be known as Hokey Pokey in the USA - completely missing the alliterative possibilities of the piece). Anyway, Alan Watts in Georgia has sent us several e-mails on the subject, so the least we can do is quote from one of them: The composer of the Hokey Pokey, Larry LaPrise, a native of Detroit, died a few years ago in Boise, Idaho, at age 83. His song writing career pretty much ended with the composition of the Hokey Pokey in the late 1940s. But he made a modest fortune out of it and spent the rest of his life as a postal service employee. The song was eventually picked up by bandleader Ray Anthony who recorded it in 1953 on the B-side of another novelty song-dance, "The Bunny Hop." In no time, the Hokey Pokey was everywhere. School yards, Barmitzvahs, Weddings. You name it. Today every school kid in the country knows the Hokey Pokey. " I am sitting here pondering: Hokey Cokey? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:39:41 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs I think creativity comes from within a person whent hey are in touch with themselves and their spirit. I don't think drugs lead to true creativity. This has been my excperience. I used to use drugs on a regular basis. I also used to create. Now I don't use drugs and I create but my creations are much improved. Personally I think a lot of pretentious crap is spoken about drug use. They give nothing that can't be gotten from within a person. Okay so you might see 'some crazy scenes' or have auditroy halucinations or whateevr or even feel overwhelming 'love' ( lust) or just an incredible high form drug use. But it is all false. The best feelings come from within a person prpared to do the work on themselves-i.e embrace honesty and compassion and understning and courage. Then those things we hanker after will be ours. It will give you that feeling of being 'at one' without also destroying your life and brain cells. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:42:22 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: NJC hokey pokey I have always known this song as the Hokey Cokey. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 00:44:10 +0100 (GMT Daylight Time) From: "colin" Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs - ------- I vastly prefer it to NRH which to me seems kind of tuneless and bland. see, there is no accounting for taste...... Hey, it's a lonely club. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:23:05 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Foni Mitchell featuring Vikki Clayton << New song in set - The Gallery. >> Break a leg, Clive! The Gallery is the only song on Clouds that has yet to be covered on record...as least as far as I can tell, and that's pretty far! Bob NP: Ani, "Beautiful night" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:53:41 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: TNT Brian Wilson Tribute Does anyone know if this will be aired again? I tried my damnedest to stay awake, but I fell asleep and woke up near the end while they were singing Barbara Ann. Carly looked great! Everyone seemed to be having a spectacular time. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:18:34 EDT From: Whizzboom@aol.com Subject: Joni And The White Lines....... Greetings... It's always been my suspicion that Joni (and the boys) were doing blow during the WTRF period, tour included. I've just always felt that way. In fact, on my WT tour poster, the shot of Joni clearly shows one of her nostrils is larger than the other (same photo was used on the front of the tour book..). When WTRF came out, I was still very young to fully appreciate the artist that IS Joni Mitchell, but I was fully caught up with the older material and waiting for it's release. Though a wee bit 'slick' in terms of production value, I LOVED the disc to pieces, probably in part because as a youngster, I had a lot of trouble with 'the jazz" (which has now become my fave part of the JM catalogue), and so the sound of WT said to me that the messy jazz thing was finally over. I'm not quite sure what caused it, but I always had this sort of upset & fear about my favorite musicians using drugs (probably a reflection of my own fears about MY drug use...). And so, silly observations like the one above about the WTRF poster were my forte as a youngster - I was always looking for clues. I'm not so sure that our Joan was 'done' with the Bolivian marching powder after 'Rolling Thunder,' although she's always quick to remark how ill she was when the tour ended and she drove across country. I think this has something to do with why she was adamant about NOT appearing in 'Renaldo & Clara'. Another silly observation from my adolesence is that at one point during the 'Refuge' Concert video, it almost looks as though Joni walks off to the side of the stage and ingests something...I've really put some time into this little fascination! Joni also looks like shit in the promo video for "Chinese Cafe", very unlike her. She looks pale and a little gaunt, at least for someone who even in the midst of true UNhealth manages to look radiant. Someone lost quite a bit of weight between the filming of S&L and WTRF related stuff. Finally, I left Wally B. laughing himself to tears once on the telephone just before the release of TI. He had received a promo cassette of the final product and did send me one (only maybe 2 weeks before the official release, but it was still quite a thrill to be early!), and having told me the first single was called "How Do You Stop?", I had a dream that the picture sleeve for the single had a photo of Joni holding her head in angst over a large pile of Cocaine. Looking back now, this is undoubtedly related to my own problems with the stuff which, at the time of said dream, has escalated to the 'art' of freebasing. Hope the dream gave some of you a little chuckle. Clean and sober (for the better), Chris NP: "Ladies Man" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:27:11 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: i'm back Welcome back Bill. It's good to have another VG-8 user back. Since you've been gone John Calimee and Marian Russell have purchased their very own and last week I bought a second one used that is in perfect condition. I hope you can make it to Topsfield this year, it would be wonderful to have you there. Nice to have you back where you belong Dolli Hee hee Michael NP-All Is Quiet-Lowen and Navarro on 7/9/01 7:21 PM, Deb Messling at messling@enter.net wrote: > Wow, welcome back, Bill! New listers, you might want to take a look at the > Joni Mitchell lyrics parody page on the jmdl site. Bill wrote some of the > funniest. > > http://www.jmdl.com/parodies/index.cfm > > ----------------------------------- > Deb Messling =^..^= > ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:29:21 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni, WTRF, and drugs > I think it vastly more likely that it was Joni's > return to the acoustic guitar that steered her output > more in the direction of your own personal tastes than > any mordant compulsion of love ... in any case, file > both our views in the folder marked "Pure > Speculation"! ;-) > > Don Rowe File my opinion with Larry's, oops! I mean Don's. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 20:33:41 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC You know the thought crossed my mind that there could be some other issues regarding the chair. Whilst i was whisking jonatha around in my carriage to a radio station "drop by" to visit the Program Director, we disussed what a challange it is to break a record and get it played. I wonder if there is some financial favour (or worse) to get the "chair". Also I have always hated the way Letterman acts around musicians. He just doesn't interview them well at all (NOT that he has done it all that much either) He ought to stick to his comedy bits and let Paul do the interviews with the musicians. Paz NP-Elsewhere-Sarah M on 7/10/01 1:36 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > ah that makes sense! glad she got the chair invite! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:48:06 EDT From: Whizzboom@aol.com Subject: The Blue Tapestry Thing...SJC I've got to echo some of Hell's sentiments here. "Tapestry" is a record for the masses - "Blue" is not. IMHO, "Blue" is a record for people who FEEL on a deeper level than the average, an emotional roller coaster ride that not everyone is going to enjoy listening to. Unfortunately, there are a great many folks out there who only want music to show them 'a good time' - no tax, please. Sure, the writing on "Tapestry" is very, very good, but it's a totally different ballgame than "Blue". The only similarities worth noting are the release dates and the fact that they are both done by female singer/songwriters. Carole's career, up until a few years earlier, had been built on writing catchy pop tunes. Confessional? Sometimes. But when was the last time you felt like you might need to have a drink after listening to Carole King? Joni's writing has always had a degree of honesty to it unrivaled by any other writer in the history of contemporary music (Dylan at times, but without the pretty voice for executing the words, it comes off differently. Maybe his masculinity makes him seem somehow devoid of that 'deep feeling' that I'm referring to...Women have always been better at expressing themselves...Guys, don't throw fruit at me!). Furthermore, as we take this time to celebrate "Tapestry" in our own way, by 'threading' about it, I will vent my frustration about the other really great Carole King discs that always get lost in the Tapestry shuffle. Much as it's one of the best recordings we've got, I simply cannot listen to it anymore. VERY seldom. Over the years, I've come to appreciate it's follow-up, "Music" much more, probably for no other reason than the tunes on it have not suffered form the massive overexposure that Tap's lead cuts have. "Rhymes & Reasons" is also excellent Carole King, nothing mind boggling, but a great pop record nontheless. My favorite, though, is "Fantasy". Much as it's sound is now quite dated, this was probably the most interesting record she made. We get Carole's commentary about the Women's Liberation movement, several different angles on the difficulties of inner-city living, and a bit of political commentary sprinkled in. The music often sounds like the soundtrack from a cheesy crime-drama of the same period ('73 - take your pick), but with all it's flaws, it's not just MORE BLAND LOVE SONGS FROM CAROLE KING, who I admire very much despite her repetitive nature. We have to cut CK some slack about that - she was trained to write that way. And made a good living doing it. - -Chris PS. For those who've never heard them, "Writer" The City's "Now That Everything's Been Said", & "Thoroughbred" are all worthy of your time and with the exception of the City CD, have all sold several million copies to date. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:52:36 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC Michael Paz wrote: > I wonder if there is some financial favour (or worse) to get the "chair". I've never heard of anything like this at all, and certainly not anything financial. I handled budgets for publicity appearances for late night and morning talk shows and we never, ever sent any money to the show or any of it's talent or producers for anything. The only bargaining was usually something like "we'll take that debut artist with their first hit if you give us "Sting/Janet/fill in the blank" at sweeps. And the bookings for artists that are not huge superstars usually go down so fast that there is little time for anything else. They are usually at the set for less than a few hours and then out of there. > Also I have always hated the way Letterman acts around musicians. He just > doesn't interview them well at all (NOT that he has done it all that much > either) He ought to stick to his comedy bits and let Paul do the interviews > with the musicians. Letterman is a strange, strange dude. The first time I was there with an artist, I noticed that when he came through the halls the staff would barely look at him, let alone talk to him. At that time, it was a requirement which he had - that no one look him directly in the eyes. Creepy. He doesn't even like to come back and talk to the artists; most don't even see him until they actually get out there to play. Leno is much better at that and just a friendly guy all the way around. I could hardly see Letterman wanting some other kind of favor or "attention." Brenda ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:54:12 EDT From: Whizzboom@aol.com Subject: Paul Weller/Newport Folk NJC Just curious - I'm going to see Paul Weller perform solo acoustic in a few weeks, and though I LOVE his solo work, I'm wondering what the show will be like. I've only heard him live on some boot recordings I have (and 'Live Wood'), so I'm having a hard time envisioning this event. Anyone out there seen Paul out on his own? Also, I'm contemplating buying a 2-day ticket for this years Newport Folk blowout, and I'm wondering if anyone knows what accomodations are available for over-nighters. Is camping a possibility, and if so, what is supplied and what do I have to bring? Motels? Anyone? - -Chris NP:JM-"Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 18:59:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: jonatha/late night invites NJC Paz wrote: He ought to stick to his comedy bits and let Paul do the interviews with the musicians. Brenda wrote: Letterman is a strange, strange dude. Well Letterman may be strange but Paul (though I agree with Paz that he would do a much better job at interviewing the musicians) is one strange dude too...it bugs me that all he ever does is repeat what Letterman says...I find myself yelling at the TV...say something original! Given what Brenda said though, maybe that is all he is allowed. Probably better in person outside of the show.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 22:31:47 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Carole King feature article - SJC - long post Brenda wrote: "Hope this doesn't send you off the deep end, but I believe Tapestry has outsold Joni's catalog. Joni has certified US sales of around 9 million. International sales probably add about another 3 million to that. And that's being a bit generous." To paraphrase the late (?), great Charlie Brown : AAARRRGGGHHH !!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 21:39:09 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC Actually I had forgotten what a jerk that guy can be. I got hired to do some gigs with Allen Toussaint and Michael Goods (his keyboard player at the time and currently out with the Neville Brothers and also the guy who tirned down an audition to tour with Janet and Yes, but I digress as usual). We did a show for Artists Against Hunger and Homelessness (not the year I went to see Joni there) and we rehearsed in the studio a few times and then did the show. Paul was not very friendly and always seemed wound up like he might have had a powder or sumthing. At the end of the run of the gig, I asked him to sign my copy of sheet music for the Late Night Theme (the original one). He did, but sort of grudgingly. He signed YEAH! Paul Schaffer Paz NP-Eight Miles High-Byrds Sessions Outtakes (yes Kakki I will be dubbing for ya soon) on 7/11/01 6:59 PM, Kate Bennett at kate@katebennett.com wrote: > Paz wrote: He ought to stick to his comedy bits and let Paul do the > interviews > with the musicians. > > Brenda wrote: Letterman is a strange, strange dude. > > Well Letterman may be strange but Paul (though I agree with Paz that he > would do a much better job at interviewing the musicians) is one strange > dude too...it bugs me that all he ever does is repeat what Letterman > says...I find myself yelling at the TV...say something original! Given what > Brenda said though, maybe that is all he is allowed. Probably better in > person outside of the show.... ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #289 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?