From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #287 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, July 11 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 287 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: July 10 [les@jmdl.com] Loserville - njc - vl Jonatha content [Catherine McKay ] Re: Radio songs...NJC [Steve Polifka ] Fred Neil NJC ["Stephen Epstein" ] Re: Happy Birthday To You!!!! (NJC) ["Michael Paz" ] Re: Radio songs...NJC [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Harold & Maude (NJC) [Alison E ] Re: Radio songs...NJC [Steve Polifka ] How many songs does Joni mention radio...njc [Steve Polifka ] Wild Things Run Fast [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: How many songs does Joni mention radio...njc [Les Irvin ] bonsai dollinger (njc) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Joni radio songs njc [Steve Polifka ] Re: Ernie Kado (NJC) [Alison E ] Re: Ernie Kado (NJC) [Alison E ] Brian Wilson ALERT-TNT tonite njc [Randy Remote ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] RE: july 9!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: the riviera (NJC) [Alison E ] Re: Shadows and Light (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: bonsai dollinger (njc) ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: the riviera (NJC) [Don Rowe ] NJC Nut [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: the riviera (NJC) ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: the riviera (NJC) [Don Rowe ] Re: the riviera (NJC) [Alison E ] Re: bonsai dollinger (njc) [Brian Gross ] Re: the riviera (NJC) ["Bill Dollinger" ] Piano keys skirt ["Craig" ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) ["Kakki" ] Re: the riviera (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] jonatha ["Kate Bennett" ] cat stevens njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Landmark Restaurants njc ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC ["Brenda J. Walker" ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Joni On The Radio... [Whizzboom@aol.com] Re: Joni On The Radio... [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni On The Radio... [Whizzboom@aol.com] Re: Landmark Restaurants njc ["Kakki" ] Re: Wild Things Run Fast (NJC) (md-2) ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: Vegemite (NJC) ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 03:11:54 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today in Joni History: July 10 On July 10 in Joni Mitchell History: 1983: Joni performs at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh - ------------------------ Search the "Today" database: http://www.jmdl.com/today ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 06:29:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Loserville - njc - vl Jonatha content So, I had the VCR all set up and I checked this a.m., wondering why it didn't look as if enough tape had wound around - for an hour-long show on a 2-hr tape, the reels should be about half-and-half. Rewound to the start, then fast-forwarded past Letterman's opening bit (noticing as I did how much he's starting to look like our PM Jean Chretien); past the Reese Witherspoon interview (noticing as I did, how much her head bobbed back and forth - if you don't believe me on either point, play your tape in fast forward.) So, then I see Jonatha - she's singing Linger and wearing that Starsky and Hutch T-shirt (again?!?) Get halfway through the song and the tape cuts out!!!!! Merde! I think I know now why this happened but have no idea how to fix the problem - it may be explained in the VCR manual but I have no idea where that is. Has anyone else ever had this problem? I programmed it to start last night just before 11:30 and to end just before 12:30 - but it seems that once the clock strikes 12:00, the VCR loses it and shuts off - because you also have to set the date and the date has changed. It only has a date to start, then a time to start and a time to end - no date to end. I went through the entire menu looking for options to get around this, but there don't seem to be any. It's kind of like the Y2K thing on a daily basis. I may have neglected to tell it to stop at 12;35 AM though - I may have selected PM (can't tell now that the event has passed.) So, what I have a tape of about half of "Linger" (which is better, I guess, than if JB had been at the END of the show and not the middle.) Did she sing more than one song and did Letterman interview her, or was it just sing one, then get off? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:05:50 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Painting with words or music.... but not both Stephanie wrote And finally, Has Joni ever recorded songs that she has not written either words or lyrics to (covers) I suppose you only wanted to know about covers of stuff she neither wrote the words or lyrics to but since everyone else has jumped on the 'either' bandwagon I feel its ony fair that I do likewise..lol. Joni din't write the music to 'The Hissing of Summer Lawns..John Guerin did...er....that's it. Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:21:37 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Shadows and Light (NJC) <> Barbara, unfortunately the market for vinyl is limited. You can try and sell to a local record store, but it's very doubtful that they'd pay very much. The web, and particularly E-Bay, is your best bet to maximize your return. BUT it is the most time-intensive method...it takes lots of time to post and manage your auctions. It also pays to do some research first to see what your items may be worth. This is very easily done on E-Bay, and worth the effort as really common items won't sell and will wind up costing you money in terms of E-Bay insertion fees. There ARE some record stores that will buy your collection in total, they can be found all over the web. Obviously, you may not make as much per album, but it's not near as time intensive. If you haven't already established a database/spreadsheet of your collection, you'll want to go ahead and do that as I'm sure that would be the first thing a store would want to see. Joni items seem to sell well, even vinyl records. Be sure they are in good condition, hopefully they are free of scratches & skips. I'm in the process of dealing my record collection on E-Bay as we speak. It's always surprising how some things generate a lot of bids and some things fall flat. If you have any specific questions, feel free to mail me privately and I'll be glad to help in any way I can. Bob NP: Seal, "I'm Alive" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:29:06 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: i'm back Bill Dollinger wrote: > hey there jmdlers - > > what's up - im back after a long > absence. i am sure there are many new > faces here, and wondering which of > the oldtimers are still around. Hey Bill, this old-timer is still here, I'm looking at the poster you gave me right now, It is on my door at work. I saw Trudy last night. Will tell her hello for you. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:35:37 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Radio songs...NJC Actually, not bad for a stretch!... At least we didn't start a thread about how many times Joni mentions radio- or TV! LOL! At 09:59 PM 7/9/01 -0700, you wrote: >ok ok how about "rock and roll in the dashboard romance in the back of Ray's >Dad's Caddilac > >Heee heee > >Stretchin" > >Paz > >NP-I'm So Happy-Sting > >on 7/9/01 6:48 AM, Steve Polifka at polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us wrote: > >> Car on a Hill by the goddess >> "Listening to the sirens and the radio..." >> >> Steve >> > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:18:14 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: Fred Neil NJC Stev Dulson wrote: "I just read that Fred had died at his home in Florida. A lot of it going around lately. RIP." Mr. Neil died of a heart attack on Friday the 7th at his home in Key West Florida. He was 63. As some of you may know, he has always been very reclusive- avoiding the limelight, shunning the industry for years, and little or no contact w/people he knew from his recording days. For most, it was a mystery as to where he was living. Most of the past 15 yrs of his life were devoted to The Dolphin Project in Florida, of which he was a founding member. Plans are for his body to be cremated and at a later date his ashes spread amongst the dolphins in the sea. According to his son Chris, as in life, his death and ceremony will be a very private affair, but there will no doubt be a tribute/memorial concert in the near future. I for one am saddened by his passing. What a most incredible barritone voice he had, and a mean 12-string picker! Best, Stephen in Vancouver ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:08:54 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday To You!!!! (NJC) LMAO! I thought I was the onoly one that did that kinda thing. BET is Black Entertainment Television. They are in town for a month to do 76 shows for their Comic View series. The host is a guy by the name of Bruce Bruce, who is just brilliant and his co-host is Reynaldo Rey (who use to work with Red Foxx). It has been quite an experience working with them. The production crew is totally different story though, which I will have to go into later cause I am watching my blood pressure today. Later Michael - ----- Original Message ----- From: Catherine McKay To: Michael Paz ; Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Happy Birthday To You!!!! (NJC) > > --- Michael Paz wrote: > > I survived the > > first week with BET, but may NOT last thru the whole > > month. > > > > You may have said what BET is, but, if you did, I > missed it. I was hoping to pick it up from a clue > (kind of like what I do when someone walks up to me > and says, "Hi Catherine!" and I recognize their face > from somewhere but can't figure out who the hell they > are, so I chat with them asking leading questions such > as, "So, what's new with you, anyway?" all the while > searching through the dusty corners of my brain trying > to figure out what the heck their name is and where I > know them from; and as usually happens, I obviously > can't hide my dumfoundedness very well because they > usually say, "You don't remember me, do you? I'm so > and so from such and such" > > Anyway, what the diddley is BET anyway? > > > DON'T FORGET TO WATCH J-BRO ON LETTERMAN TONIGHT > > > I bought new videotapes just for the occasion and am > now on my way to the basement to program the VCR. > Must remember to ensure that the durn thing is set for > "cable" and not "antenna", which is the usual cause of > my failing to get copies of stuff I want. > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:44:52 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Radio songs...NJC "Like stations in some relay" ??? LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 08:49:04 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Harold & Maude (NJC) i remember the story behind the "original" version, vs. the "edited" version goes something like this... they took out any reference to a sexual relationship between harold and maude, therefore changing the whole dynamic of the movie. which, if you've seen the movie, would completely change the meaning, the message. i think anyway. so they all (bud, ruth, etc.) refused to do any press or promote the movie at all until the studio agreed to release the original version. and they held out, and the studio gave in. so when bud cort won the "french academy award", the studio didnt tell him for months because they were still bitter at the stunt. someone said to him at a party or something "congrats on winning that award, bud" and his response was "what the hell are you talking about?" pretty funny. harold and maude is one of my very favorite movies of all time. it might be my favorite. and i love cat stevens, ever since i was a child and listened to my mom play "sad lisa" on the guitar. alison e. in nyc - --- Yael Harlap wrote: > hey- > more harold & maude tidbits... I just bought mona > bone jakon, btw, so now i > can listen to "I think I see the light" - yay! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:00:26 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Re: Radio songs...NJC At 11:44 AM 7/10/01 EDT, you wrote: >"Like stations in some relay" ??? > > LAHM > > LOL! Here we go. Okay, in how many songs does Joni mention radio??? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:04:00 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: How many songs does Joni mention radio...njc Here's what we got so far: Car On a Hill Coyote Rainy Night House Ray's Dad's Cadillac You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio Any other contenders? Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:10:14 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: bonsai kitten (njc) This bonsai kitten site is a hoax, and not a day goes by when i don't have at least three emails about it. This moron actually gets off on people complaining, so the best thing to do would be to ignore it imo. For the full story, go to: http://www.hsus.org/programs/companion/bonsai_kitten.html thanks, bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine McKay" To: ; Cc: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 9:05 PM Subject: Re: i'm back Now with Wolf In Lindsey question and bonsai kitten and so on - --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >>It's great to see > Joni speaking for animals so simply and eloquently. > The Wolf That Lives In > Lindsey is one of my very favorite compositions, > though I'm not sure who or > what it's about. JMDLR's--can you offer any clues? > Now, about that perm... > Ken from SF > PS; cat lovers, please check out the disturbing > www.bonsaikitten website. > Whether or not it's a hoax, we must register our > protest to this cruelty! I just did check out that site. Like you, I am confused as to whether or not it's intended to be a hoax or not. Even it if is meant to be a joke, it is in extremely poor taste and there are lots of fools out there who might actually go ahead and do this. I'm grossed out and upset at this kind of cruelty to animals (even if it is "faked" cruelty.) I've sent an e-mail off to the webmaster (who is the webmeowster, btw, leading me to believe it really is meant to be a joke, but you never know) telling him/her how *not* impressed I am. I took the liberty of copying your organisation, Bill (but the general e-mail address, not your personal one!) I see my kids (my son in particular) going onto different websites to play games, some of which are, IMO, in extremely poor taste, to say the least. These often consist of spoofs (but not very good ones) of real celebrities or TV characters - e.g. one with a group sounding like the Backstreet Boys singing "Which Backstreet Boy's gay" to the tune of "I want it that way" (or whatever that song is called); gross/ childish/ bathroom humour takeoffs on kids' TV shows such as Teletubbies and so on. Believe me, I do not hesitate to tell my kids that I don't think these sites are funny and the reason why I believe this. I don't want my kids growing up to be cynical. I know there are times in a child's life when they seek to grow out of childish things and, when they do so, they often blatantly reject things they loved as a toddler and so on. Maybe that's all part of the growing-up process, but I think it's very sad that kids feel they have to "prove" how mature they are by turning on the very things they loved as a child; and, unfortunately, this sort of thing seems to be quite rampant these days. The bonsai kitten website has that kind of effect on me. I love a good piece of satire, but this kind of thing (taking something that may not be your choice in music or TV or whatever and making something gross or cruel out of it - appealing to the lowest common denominator, in other words) is not satire and it's not humourous. It's just mean and completely without wit. Now stepping back off my soapbox to say I loved the wolf-howls story, even though I have heard it before (a good story bears repeating). But, is "the wolf" based on a real person? A serial killer, I presume? Does anyone know if it's based on anyone in particular (asks the same person who often complains that too much talk about *who* a song is about may be an invasion of privacy - so call me a hypocrite.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:13:17 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Wild Things Run Fast Well, having decided to give WTRF another listen, as I could only think of one song on it I liked, I have found one other song, Love. I'm not sure how much of it is actually from Corinthians, as my copy of the Bible is buried at the bottom of a cupboard, but I was struck by how I'd overlooked it, as it's truly lovely. As for Chinese Cafe, it seems to me to belong to a different album; it has a depth and insight that to these ears is lacking elsewhere on the album. It's right up there in the top division of Joni songs. As for the rest, I was underwhelmed, to put it mildly. What I found most displeasing was the production, which is very "Toto-ish". I don't like Larry's bass playing (too showy and far too much echo on a few songs), or the horrible lead guitar squalls, or even Vinnie Colaiuta'a drumming, which is odd, as I think he's a brilliant drummer - I'm listening to his superb work on Jennifer Warnes's fabulous Famous Blue Raincoat as I type this. And the songs just seem throwaway to me, by her standards; and I don't mean that as part of my "it was all downhill after Mingus" theory. I actually think WTRF is one of her weakest albums, certainly not as interesting to me as Dog Eat Dog, even though I'm not a big fan of the latter. Oh well, never mind, I doubt Joni will think much of my 11th studio album either... Azeem in London NP: Jennifer Warnes - Joan of Arc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:18:52 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: How many songs does Joni mention radio...njc At 10:04 AM 7/10/2001, you wrote: >Here's what we got so far: >Any other contenders? Using the handy lyric search engine (http://www.jmdl.com/lyrics/), we also come up with: The Tea Leaf Prophecy (Lay Down Your Arms) Taming the Tiger Les ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:18:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: bonsai kitten (njc) - --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > This bonsai kitten site is a hoax, and > not a day goes by when i don't have > at least three emails about it. > This moron actually gets off on people > complaining, so the best thing to do > would be to ignore it imo. > > For the full story, go to: > > http://www.hsus.org/programs/companion/bonsai_kitten.html > Thanks, Bill. I guess I should have known better - my BS detector is usually pretty good. There's a lot of sickos out there, one way or another. I can't believe people actually have so much time on their hands that they would create an entire website whose aim is *just* to upset people. But then there are those porn-website spam e-mails as well, not to mention the insurance/investment spam e-mails; or the fetishists who are "into" stuffed animals and other weird stuff. A chacun son gout. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:29:40 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: bonsai dollinger (njc) bill dollinger!!!!! i've just returned from a weekend trip to find that mr. dollinger has resubbed! bob, i remember you but do you remember me? i doubt it. we were on a tape of you together. as to the bonsai kitten thing... well, i believed it and i sent e-mails to everybody i could think of, including the dean of harvard's business school and the governor of new york state. needless to say, they have all confirmed what they always suspected: i'm a schmuck. but i couldn't sleep the night i read about and visited the site. i was consumed by anxiety. i felt that i could very easily and summarily kill the persons that were selling and buying the ''bonsai'' kittens -- which shows that i have already become an old spinster that loves animals much more than people. dollinger: are you coming to the new england jonifest????? wallyK, nee wallyburger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:34:00 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni radio songs njc There's one left. What is it? (Come on Paz! I expect you to know it- VG-8 and all!) Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:48:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Ernie Kado (NJC) - --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Bob > > NP: Don Rowe, "The Riviera Cafe" Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:55:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Ernie Kado (NJC) sorry about that last post, i hit send on accident. alison e in nyc Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 09:55:38 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Brian Wilson ALERT-TNT tonite njc TNT will be reshowing the All Star Tribute to Brian Wilson tonight (Tues)-and apparently just this once-at 12midniteEST (9PM PST). This was a great show. David Crosby, Carly Simon and Jimmy Webb doing "In My Room" was just one of many highlights. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:04:06 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) The reason the album sounds "Toto-ish" is because Toto players played on it. When the album came out that band was at their peak and the players particularly Steve Lukather (guitar gun) was being used on everyones albums all over the place and everyone was trying to reproduce the sound of that band and David Fosters production. Klein was up to his ears in the LA Music Mafia. Marcel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:22:50 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: july 9!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC well, july 9 was also the birthday of... argentina! so happy birthday, my beautiful and insane country!!!! wallyK, back from my independence day weekend trip. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:28:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) <> As much as I hate to say it, Marcel is right! :~D WTRF came out at the same time frame as Toto IV, the huge one with "Africa", "Rosanna", etc. on it. Bob NP: Saffire, "The Clock" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:32:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) so what i meant to say was... --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Bob > > NP: Don Rowe, "The Riviera Cafe" don, is this a song about the beloved "riviera" in the west village? where i had a veggie sandwich last night? it is the home of the best veggie sandwich in new york, you know. i love that place. sue cam, tell 'em how great it is. alison e. in nyc Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:35:44 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Shadows and Light (NJC) My observance of ebay is that Joni vinyl doesn't fetch too much $. I just read a couple articles complaining about vinyl venders on ebay, written by pro vinyl venders. The biggest complaint has to do with grading. Pro vinyl sellers are very serious about grading records accurately-and alot of the records that show up on ebay are not accurately graded-they usually are in lesser condition than the seller says they are, and usually not due to deception (sometimes, though), just inexperience. It's easy to get nostalgic value confused with actual condition. If your S&L is 'pristine', it has NO scratches or scuffs, cover ringwear, writing on it--etc. In that case it is worth more than the average S&L out there. Getting more is the trick. In record collecting, condition is everything, and separates a $1.25 copy of "Love Me Tender" from a $4,000 one. If you think your collection is still in like-new shape, and you have enough records to justify it, I would suggest taking out an ad in Goldmine or Discoveries. This will reach lots of record collectors. A 'one unit space' ad in Discoveries (one ninth of a page-the pages are large) will cost you about $44 and hold maybe 50 titles. Goldmine is probably more $. Listing in ebay is very inexpensive, and if you want to, you can set a minimum starting bid or a reserve price which is the least you will let it go for. If you list with ebay, I suggest working extra angles into your listing title, for instance "Joni Mitchell vinyl 2LP Shadows and Light Jaco Pastorius, Pat Methany". That way anyone searching for any of those words will see it. Here is an abreviated list of record grades from Discoveries: SS=Still Sealed ie still unopened in factory shrink wrap. Perfect condition implied M=Mint. original unsealed condition, may have been played, but no visual or audible deterioration EX=Excellent. may show slight signs of wear but will have almost no audible defect. Sleeve may show marginal deterioration, but no repairs, pen or pencil marks VG=Very Good. Noticeably less than perfect, obviously played, damage is not visually or audible distracting. Minor scuffs and slight surface defects. Sight ring wear. G=Good. visual and audible distractions, still playable F=Fair. Visually and audibly distracting P=Poor. One step away from the trash, may or may not play. Anything worse should be classified as BAD. Some people use + and - such as M- to describe something as 'almost perfect'. Some record collectors hate this, though alot of them do it. Also, you see the phrase "play graded" or "visual graded"- sometimes a record looks great, but the grooves have been damaged by bad equipment. A short accurate description should accompany your listing. I would suggest getting a copy of Discoveries or Goldmine at an independant record store or large newstand. Good luck. One more suggestion-offer your Joni vinyl to the jmdl for set sale (non auction) prices. I'm guessing S&L in M condition would be worth about $20 tops. Might only get $5 for it on ebay-but who knows? RR Barbara Hirahara wrote: > I'm not much on the price of vinyl recordings. My family has hit upon > hard times and I am trying to find out where to sell my vinyl > collection. I have a pristine copy of Shadows and Light. I would > appreciate any feed back on where to sell and pricing my albums. I > don't want to turn this into e-bay but I can trust the people on this > forum to give me the straight skinny. Love & Peace, Barbara > Hirahara > > [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:40:13 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: bonsai dollinger (njc) hey there wally, of course i remember you... i'm looking into going to jonifest, seeing if time and money will allow. it sure sounds like an incredible time. bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wally Kairuz" To: "Bill Dollinger" ; "Catherine McKay" ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: bonsai dollinger (njc) bill dollinger!!!!! i've just returned from a weekend trip to find that mr. dollinger has resubbed! bob, i remember you but do you remember me? i doubt it. we were on a tape of you together. as to the bonsai kitten thing... well, i believed it and i sent e-mails to everybody i could think of, including the dean of harvard's business school and the governor of new york state. needless to say, they have all confirmed what they always suspected: i'm a schmuck. but i couldn't sleep the night i read about and visited the site. i was consumed by anxiety. i felt that i could very easily and summarily kill the persons that were selling and buying the ''bonsai'' kittens -- which shows that i have already become an old spinster that loves animals much more than people. dollinger: are you coming to the new england jonifest????? wallyK, nee wallyburger ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:39:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) - --- Alison E wrote: > don, is this a song about the beloved "riviera" in > the > west village? Well, not so much about the PLACE as the devastatingly beautiful blonde who sent me a drink there one night, seduced me thoroughly over about a six month period, and then vanished into the thin air following a cryptic phonecall. Needless to say ... I've been unable to think of the Riviera with complete fondness ever since! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:40:30 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: NJC Nut Yup, that's what I said - Nut! Nut is the name of a singer about whom I know virtually nothing, except that it's apparently her real name. She's only released one album, entitled Fantanicity, which is wonderful. I've searched on the web, and have found nothing about what she's up to, where she came or where she went. Indeed, two people have set up web pages dedicated to her, undaunted by the fact that they too know nothing about her! Of course, searching on the web is tricky, as you have to search on the album title - I don't think it'd be worth doing a search under "nut"! So, can any of you good folk out there shed any light on this glorious enigma?? Azeem in London NP: Annie Lennox - Diva Sounds better than I'd though it would. I haven't listened to it for yonks, and I feared it would sound awful and dated. It's weathered quite well... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:45:45 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) Marcel wrote <> And Bob added << As much as I hate to say it, Marcel is right! :~D WTRF came out at the same time frame as Toto IV, the huge one with "Africa", "Rosanna", etc. on it. >> Well, that may be so (I suspected there may have been a Toto connection, as they were pretty much ubiquitous at the time, although the names that would have rung more definite bells were Porcaro and Paich). Anyway, I never liked Toto, and I still think that WTRF sounds sterile and unpleasant! Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:47:37 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) for my money, the best veggie sandwich in nyc is the vegan blt at kate's joint!! yum! bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alison E" To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:32 PM Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) so what i meant to say was... --- SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Bob > > NP: Don Rowe, "The Riviera Cafe" don, is this a song about the beloved "riviera" in the west village? where i had a veggie sandwich last night? it is the home of the best veggie sandwich in new york, you know. i love that place. sue cam, tell 'em how great it is. alison e. in nyc Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) - --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > for my money, the best veggie sandwich > in nyc is the vegan blt at kate's joint!! Excuse my Midwestern hickishness, but wouldn't a veggie BLT be just an .. LT? ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 10:52:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) hi bill, and welcome back. i have this idea of a veggie sandwich in my head, and it contains certain things, like avocado, and brown mustard, and srpouts, you know? the riviera just nailed it for me. although, i do like kates joint, its a cool little spot, and i'll now have to go there and eat a veggie blt cause i've never had one there. alison e. in nyc (a chelsea resident, though probably not for long.) ps: i'll admit, one of the only reasons i went to kate's originally was you could smoke there! how stupid am i! i'll have some lung cancer with my healthy vegetarian food, please! np: tori, live venus - --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > for my money, the best veggie sandwich > in nyc is the vegan blt at kate's joint!! > yum! > bill Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:03:45 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: bonsai dollinger (njc) Bill Dollinger wrote: > > hey there wally, of course i remember you... > > i'm looking into going to jonifest, seeing > if time and money will allow. it sure sounds > like an incredible time. except no treehouse and all the intoxicants are liquid (except for Uncle John's chocolates and Mikey's shrimpies) hope to see you there, Bill Brei np: the sweet sounds of buddy nuzzling roberta while the little duckigoil watches ;~) - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 14:09:52 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) good question don, actually they substitute fried tofu for the bacon, and it is incredible, - - especially with a side of the mashed potatoes! i gotta stop now, or i'll find myself heading up to nyc to satisfy a craving!! and joni would love it at kate's since as alison pointed out, you can smoke there. bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Rowe" To: "Bill Dollinger" ; Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:50 PM Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) - --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > for my money, the best veggie sandwich > in nyc is the vegan blt at kate's joint!! Excuse my Midwestern hickishness, but wouldn't a veggie BLT be just an .. LT? ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 11:27:10 -0700 From: "Craig" Subject: Piano keys skirt Last month someone mentioned Joni's Wild Things tour in 1983, and it brought up a memory I had forgotten. I saw her at the Concord, Ca. show and she came onstage in a white blouse and a black and white skirt. Around the bottom of the skirt was a row a large black and white paino keys. She looked great. Anyone have a picture or link they can point me to? This was also the show where I heard the new lines in For Free, which she later performed for posterity on the Refuge of the Roads video. Craig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 12:16:09 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md) Steve Lukather was the only Toto member who played on WTRF (although he was closely tied professionally and personally to Landau and Colaiuta). Toto was so overhyped as a band back then but its original members were top-flight musicians individually. The Toto music, however, was sometimes over-bit slick, sterile and "packaged." I was disappointed with WTRF when it first came out. It seemed uneven and disjointed to me. I suspect (and this is my own subjective opinion) that it would have been so much better with just Joni, her guitar and piano, because most of the songs standing alone become much more outstanding in a simpler presentation. I feel the same way about the Hissing Demos and a few of the "alternate," acoustic DED songs that we have heard. On the other hand, her experiences working with various bands was probably very enriching and downright fun for her. Kakki > Marcel wrote <> > > And Bob added << As much as I hate to say it, Marcel is right! :~D > > WTRF came out at the same time frame as Toto IV, the huge one with "Africa", > "Rosanna", etc. on it. >> > > > Well, that may be so (I suspected there may have been a Toto connection, as > they were pretty much ubiquitous at the time, although the names that would > have rung more definite bells were Porcaro and Paich). Anyway, I never liked > Toto, and I still think that WTRF sounds sterile and unpleasant! > > Azeem ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 15:43:54 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: the riviera (NJC) In a message dated 7/10/01 2:04:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: << ps: i'll admit, one of the only reasons i went to kate's originally was you could smoke there! how stupid am i! i'll have some lung cancer with my healthy vegetarian food, please! np: tori, live venus >> Alison, some chefs consider tobacco to be a vegetable :~) Jimmy, (hoping John Lowe will send us some vegimite sandwiches for Jonifest) - - or do you have them in NZ too Hell? Actually I have no idea WHAT is in a vegimite sandwich! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:01:29 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: jonatha Paz, I agree, you found her first! Letterman invited her to sit on the chair after her performance. I have heard that is a BIG plus...that not everyone gets invited over after performing so if you do...well I don't know what it means...I guess that he likes you? ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:11:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: cat stevens njc Not defending anyone or anything here but I saw a tv show within the last year that gave a different perspective on that cat stevens controversy...something to do with the press taking what he said out of context? & the story of why he is on the religious path he is on (he had a near death experience) this doesn't excuse but it put things more into perspective.... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:19:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Landmark Restaurants njc Kakki, I think you could compile a list of landmark restaurants with the people & songs that were inspired by them! Wouldn't that be a cool part of our LA fest tour! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:51:51 -0700 From: "Brenda J. Walker" Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC The invite to the chair is always seen as a bonus because it's more camera time and an opportunity to say the name of the album again, talk about tour dates, etc. Generally, artist don't get asked to sit unless the host or producer thinks they have something to say worth hearing or if they are fans and want to help the artist out more. With so few network opportunities for music, the extra :30 or minute in the chair is a big deal in terms of relative time. Brenda n.p.: Leon Parker - Bemsha Swing Kate Bennett wrote: > Paz, I agree, you found her first! Letterman invited her to sit on the chair > after her performance. I have heard that is a BIG plus...that not everyone > gets invited over after performing so if you do...well I don't know what it > means...I guess that he likes you? > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 13:36:35 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: RE: jonatha/late night invites NJC ah that makes sense! glad she got the chair invite! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** - -----Original Message----- From: Brenda J. Walker [mailto:brenda@killinggoliath.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 1:52 PM To: Kate Bennett Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: jonatha/late night invites NJC The invite to the chair is always seen as a bonus because it's more camera time and an opportunity to say the name of the album again, talk about tour dates, etc. Generally, artist don't get asked to sit unless the host or producer thinks they have something to say worth hearing or if they are fans and want to help the artist out more. With so few network opportunities for music, the extra :30 or minute in the chair is a big deal in terms of relative time. Brenda n.p.: Leon Parker - Bemsha Swing Kate Bennett wrote: > Paz, I agree, you found her first! Letterman invited her to sit on the chair > after her performance. I have heard that is a BIG plus...that not everyone > gets invited over after performing so if you do...well I don't know what it > means...I guess that he likes you? > > ******************************************** > Kate Bennett > www.katebennett.com > sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com > Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: > http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html > ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:36:10 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) My bet is that Toto bought the blow. Which explains everything from the "disjointedness" of the record to the sounds. The first time I heard WTRF Lukathers guitar parts just jumped out at me because his style is so (a) distinctive and (b) limited. But also how unrelated in style his tracks sound vis a vis the songs. That was my initial impression. I chalked this album and its sound to people whose minds were numbed from worshiping at the Incan altar of Joy. When I was producing records I would meet other producers and players who were totally fried freaks and they would play me their songs recently produced and I had a standard line "Hey sounds great, I guess you guys liked the tunes so much you started celebrating just before you started recording the basic tracks". What was really funny was very often they would agree with me. marcel. desperately trying to not insult any Incas. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:09:44 EDT From: Whizzboom@aol.com Subject: Joni On The Radio... Has anyone mentioned that awful song I TRIED to start a thread about months back, "Joni Mitchell On The Radio" by Espen Lind? It's truly awful, but touches on both topics. - -Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:23:17 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni On The Radio... << Has anyone mentioned that awful song I TRIED to start a thread about months back, "Joni Mitchell On The Radio" by Espen Lind? It's truly awful, but touches on both topics. >> Nobody has, Chris, but probably because nobody else has heard it...at least I know that I've never heard of it except for your mention. Did it get airplay? Bob NP: Ani, "garden of simple" (with the great line..."the best minds of my generation can't make bail"...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:12:05 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (md-2) Marcel wrote: > My bet is that Toto bought the blow. Which explains everything from the "disjointedness" of the record to the sounds. Well, I wasn't going to say it - but now that you've brought it up - the first thing I thought on pondering the earlier posts was that perhaps it was WTRF that she was referring to in her drugs quote in LA Weekly this week ;-D I made it through the past several decades without personally partaking of any substance but vividly remember the enormous and excessive amounts (literally a sackful at one) of the stuff at parties and even in clubs in the mid '70s to early '80s. I remember reading an article once where some people were reflecting that the reason some of the '70s movies, TV and fashions were so bad/hideous/mediocre was because everyone was so strung out there for awhile and thought everything they created was just wonderful. Not trying to debate drugs, etc., but I thought the article was somewhat correct! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 22:38:53 EDT From: Whizzboom@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni On The Radio... No, Bob, I don't believe it got any airplay. The only way I found out about it was by fumbling around on napster a while back - I was doing a search for something JM related, and this popped up, so I downloaded it and BOY it sux! I haven't heard anything that's offended my sensibilities quite like that in a while. I saved it, of course. Cheers. - -Chris NP: Nelly Furtado, a loaner to burn from my neighbor. NOT particularly compelling, but fun nonetheless. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 19:33:37 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Landmark Restaurants njc > Kakki, I think you could compile a list of landmark restaurants with the > people & songs that were inspired by them! Wouldn't that be a cool part of > our LA fest tour! Kate, I was thinking that would be fun, too! At least we should hand out copies of "The L.A. Musical History Tour" and maps. In fact, I'd like to run a "musical haunts of LA" tour for my next career! Would be a lot more fun than the present one, ahem ;-) Kakki, counting down the minutes to the Brian Wilson tribute on TNT - thanks Randy for the heads up ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 20:51:39 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (NJC) (md-2) On the subject of blow, if you read Julia Phillips's book You'll Never Eat Lunch In This Town Again, it's enough to make you wonder how they got any movies made at all during the '70s in LA! Roberto Kakki wrote: I remember reading an article once where some >people were reflecting that the reason some of the '70s movies, TV and >fashions were so bad/hideous/mediocre was because everyone was so strung >out >there for awhile and thought everything they created was just wonderful. > >Not trying to debate drugs, etc., but I thought the article was somewhat >correct! > >Kakki _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 21:40:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Wild Things Run Fast (NJC) (md-2) Roberto, That's so funny -just minutes before reading your post that exact book came into my mind! It's hard to put down but you keep shaking your head with every turn of the page. I don't think she ever did eat lunch in this town after it came out, by the way! Kakki > On the subject of blow, if you read Julia Phillips's book You'll Never Eat > Lunch In This Town Again, it's enough to make you wonder how they got any > movies made at all during the '70s in LA! > Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 11 Jul 2001 17:42:08 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Vegemite (NJC) Jimmy wrote: > Jimmy, (hoping John Lowe will send us some vegimite sandwiches for Jonifest) > - or do you have them in NZ too Hell? > Actually I have no idea WHAT is in a vegimite sandwich! All will be revealed in approximately 51 days, Jimmy! Although I absolutely REFUSE to eat Vegemite - it's disgusting stuff.....although those who like it will say the same about Marmite (which is MUCH nicer)! I'll bring both and you can decide for yourself! We've discussed this before but I'll give you a wee refresher.... Marmite originated in England, but NZ's apparently tastes quite a bit different now. Vegemite originated in Australia, I guess in competition to the original. They are both yeast extracts, and are a good source of iron and B-group vitamins - particularly for those who don't eat meat. They are both very vaguely like Bovril (a beef extract) - they're the same colour anyway, and Marmite is occasionally used to flavour gravy. It's actually impossible to compare it to anything, except to say it's very salty. They are both a standard sandwich spread for school lunches (I would hate to count the number of Marmite sandwiches I ate as child), although my mother used to insist on putting lettuce in with mine as well - which I hated - cheese is better. The best sandwich of all is Marmite and chips (eg. Lays, etc. for you US people), preferably chicken flavoured! 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