From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #286 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 10 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 286 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Fred Neil [Steve Dulson ] Re: Fred Neil [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Emmylou (NJC) [RobSher50@aol.com] Re:I'm back [RobSher50@aol.com] Re: NJC Caution [Catherine McKay ] Re: i'm back [Catherine McKay ] Re: Happy Birthday To You!!!! (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #285 [PMcfad@aol.com] Re: i'm back Now with Wolf In Lindsey question and bonsai kitten and so on [Catherine McKay ] RE: more radio songs NJC ["patrick leader" ] jonatha NJC [Yael Harlap ] RE: i'm back ["Deb Messling" ] Re: Radio songs - (VLJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Radio songs...NJC [Michael Paz ] Re: Radio songs...NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: i'm back [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #285 - Seattle and Columbus [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Shadows and Light (NJC) [Barbara Hirahara ] Joni, drugs, LA Weekly ["Kakki" ] Jonatha!!!!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Santana - NJC ["hell" ] Re: Joni Songbooks [M.Russell@iaea.org] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:07:46 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Fred Neil Randy Remote wrote: >She has performed other people's songs in concert, probably >too numerous to mention, including "Get Together", "I Heard It >Through the Grapevine", & "Trouble Man". Didn't she also use to do Fred Neil's "The Dolphins"? I just read that Fred had died at his home in Florida. A lot of it going around lately. RIP. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:31:42 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Fred Neil << Didn't she also use to do Fred Neil's "The Dolphins"? >> She performed it at the Save the Whales benefit in 1976, so she at least did it once! Sorry to hear about Fred...as much as I loved Harry Nilsson, one of my favorites was his version of Fred's "Everybody's Talkin'" Bob NP: Bonnie Raitt, "Runaway" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 19:44:57 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re: Emmylou (NJC) Wow Kate! First of all, I am thrilled that you got the chance to see her in that setting. She is truly phenomenal and original. I am absolutely "ecstatic" that you were able to get your CD into her hands! That is great! I am keeping both fingers and toes crossed for you! She is such an awesome talent to be associated with! You have been so true to the art and integrity of your music for a long time. If you feel like I do, being able to collaborate and work with artists you admire is the ultimate dream come true. This is a well deserved chance! Here's hoping for good things, Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:05:07 EDT From: RobSher50@aol.com Subject: Re:I'm back Welcome back Bill! Man! It's been a long time! Glad to know that you are doing all right. I still have my "Friends of Animals" Joni poster on my wall from the Pittsburgh Jonifest a few years ago. (Boycott Alaska Tourism) it's the one where she is posing with the wolf and he is licking her face in the second shot. I will check out your website to see what Joni has been up to. It's great to hear from you again. Take care! Sherelle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:30:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: NJC Caution - --- w evans wrote: > I won't bash Islam sui generis either, but Yusuf had > some very public > words in support of the Ayatollah's death decree > against Salmon Rushdie. That was the Ayatollah Khomeini. I believe the current Ayatollah (whose name I can't recall at the moment) is much more moderate and revoked the fatwa. But then of course, some people probably wouldn't have heard of this and, like followers of any religion or belief system or what-have-you, there would quite likely be those who wouldn't accept the revocation of it either. Poor Salman Rushdie - what a way to live! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:31:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: i'm back - --- Bill Dollinger wrote: > hey there jmdlers - > > what's up - im back after a long > absence. ... > > For joni content, I will include this link > to the poster that Joni did for our > organization: > > http://www.friendsofanimals.org/pred/wolf/joni.htm > > > Bill Dollinger > Washington DC Director > Friends of Animals > 2000 P Street NW Ste 415 > Washington, DC 20036 > phone: 202-296-2172 > fax: 202-296-2190 > e-mail: foa@igc.org > web site: http://www.friendsofanimals.org Bill, any friend of animals is a friend of mine. Might one be able to, um, purchase a copy of this poster? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:36:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy Birthday To You!!!! (NJC) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > I survived the > first week with BET, but may NOT last thru the whole > month. > You may have said what BET is, but, if you did, I missed it. I was hoping to pick it up from a clue (kind of like what I do when someone walks up to me and says, "Hi Catherine!" and I recognize their face from somewhere but can't figure out who the hell they are, so I chat with them asking leading questions such as, "So, what's new with you, anyway?" all the while searching through the dusty corners of my brain trying to figure out what the heck their name is and where I know them from; and as usually happens, I obviously can't hide my dumfoundedness very well because they usually say, "You don't remember me, do you? I'm so and so from such and such" Anyway, what the diddley is BET anyway? > DON'T FORGET TO WATCH J-BRO ON LETTERMAN TONIGHT > I bought new videotapes just for the occasion and am now on my way to the basement to program the VCR. Must remember to ensure that the durn thing is set for "cable" and not "antenna", which is the usual cause of my failing to get copies of stuff I want. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:38:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy Birthday (njc) - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > Oops! Don't want to forget Pearl! Happy Birthday > to one of the > nicest JMDLers I've had the pleasure to meet. Have > a great day, > Pearl! > I think I got confused between the names Rose and Pearl. Both have one syllable. One is a flower, the other a semi-precious gem. One can understand my confusion. Or not. Happy birthday, Pearl. Happy unbirthday, Rose. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 20:41:40 EDT From: PMcfad@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #285 In a message dated 7/9/2001 6:57:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill writes: > From: "Bill Dollinger" > Subject: i'm back hey bill. i have one of your posts from a few years ago about joni speaking toward how she writes a song. something about throwing it out to the cosmos and seeing what comes back. it was a cool post. been posting irregularly lately. here are some short thoughts: been listening to ti lately and having pleasant thoughts about a few years ago when i first picked up that disc. reminds me of working alone in savannah in '97. also listen to miles of aisles weekly and bsn pretty regularly too. actually had to live apart from any guitar for three weeks and lost some serious callous depth on the fingers. that sucked. waiting on a radiohead sticker which i thought would look cool on my hard hat. lately, when i listen to thom yorke sing, i get a picture of his arms out stretched and good stuff pouring out of his chest and making the world a better place. like a renewal kind of thing. if you don't know what amnesiac is, you're not cool enough. plus, they play radiohead muzak in starbucks. found one good italian place in eastern north carolina and have been eating there every day for the last two months. leave the gun, take the canolli. may have gained a few pounds too. ali, you owe me an email this time. you too mg. not that i'm keeping count. wally, leo season is just arond the corner. lots of bit hitters in august. cat stevens is a weird fucker as far as i'm concerned. sorry for the language vince. but he's really inaccesibly weird. i'm convinced that joni fans have something particularly unique that seperates them from the rest of humanity. you don't ask for it, you just get born with it. very strange, but not quite as weird as cat stevens. pat np. crushed tin box - i'm a reasonable man, get off my case. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:05:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: i'm back Now with Wolf In Lindsey question and bonsai kitten and so on - --- KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >>It's great to see > Joni speaking for animals so simply and eloquently. > The Wolf That Lives In > Lindsey is one of my very favorite compositions, > though I'm not sure who or > what it's about. JMDLR's--can you offer any clues? > Now, about that perm... > Ken from SF > PS; cat lovers, please check out the disturbing > www.bonsaikitten website. > Whether or not it's a hoax, we must register our > protest to this cruelty! I just did check out that site. Like you, I am confused as to whether or not it's intended to be a hoax or not. Even it if is meant to be a joke, it is in extremely poor taste and there are lots of fools out there who might actually go ahead and do this. I'm grossed out and upset at this kind of cruelty to animals (even if it is "faked" cruelty.) I've sent an e-mail off to the webmaster (who is the webmeowster, btw, leading me to believe it really is meant to be a joke, but you never know) telling him/her how *not* impressed I am. I took the liberty of copying your organisation, Bill (but the general e-mail address, not your personal one!) I see my kids (my son in particular) going onto different websites to play games, some of which are, IMO, in extremely poor taste, to say the least. These often consist of spoofs (but not very good ones) of real celebrities or TV characters - e.g. one with a group sounding like the Backstreet Boys singing "Which Backstreet Boy's gay" to the tune of "I want it that way" (or whatever that song is called); gross/ childish/ bathroom humour takeoffs on kids' TV shows such as Teletubbies and so on. Believe me, I do not hesitate to tell my kids that I don't think these sites are funny and the reason why I believe this. I don't want my kids growing up to be cynical. I know there are times in a child's life when they seek to grow out of childish things and, when they do so, they often blatantly reject things they loved as a toddler and so on. Maybe that's all part of the growing-up process, but I think it's very sad that kids feel they have to "prove" how mature they are by turning on the very things they loved as a child; and, unfortunately, this sort of thing seems to be quite rampant these days. The bonsai kitten website has that kind of effect on me. I love a good piece of satire, but this kind of thing (taking something that may not be your choice in music or TV or whatever and making something gross or cruel out of it - appealing to the lowest common denominator, in other words) is not satire and it's not humourous. It's just mean and completely without wit. Now stepping back off my soapbox to say I loved the wolf-howls story, even though I have heard it before (a good story bears repeating). But, is "the wolf" based on a real person? A serial killer, I presume? Does anyone know if it's based on anyone in particular (asks the same person who often complains that too much talk about *who* a song is about may be an invasion of privacy - so call me a hypocrite.) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:21:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Fred Neil - --- Steve Dulson wrote: > Didn't she also use to do Fred Neil's "The > Dolphins"? I just read > that Fred had died at his home in Florida. A lot of > it going around > lately. RIP. > -- Oh no! It's an epidemic of death! (I'm not even trying to be funny. All this talk of dying now - reminds me of my mother - there was always someone dying - it has to be that time of life.) Another one I spotted in today's Toronto Star (but a reprint from the LA Times) - George Dawson, grandson of a slave, who learned to read in 1996 in just two days - at the age of 98 (!!!) and then went on to write a book (about his life) called "Life is good" )full obit at http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?GXHC_gx_session_id_=8bc5f1acb97fff0a&pagename=thestar%2FUtilities%2FJavaSearch&searchstring=george+dawson Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:02:19 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: more radio songs NJC man don, that is a great call! 'oh yeah' is really fine song, addressing how cool the radio used to be and how much we used to care. it's definitely different now... and you put me in mind of the first side of bebop deluxe's 'modern music', which starts with radio static 'lasse virren has won the 10k!' and has as the first words in a six-song suite: 'modern music on the radio'... still love that album, 20-odd years later. patrick, in a radio daze of nostalgia np - irma schultz - night ride home >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Don >Rowe >Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:02 PM >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: more radio songs NJC > > >This probably doesn't count, but Roxy Music's "Oh >Yeah" (from Flesh & Blood) is probably one of my >favorite "radio songs" ... even if the word isn't in >the title! ;-) > >Don Rowe > >===== >Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe >Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail >http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 22:00:57 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: jonatha NJC Paz, you rock! I had totally forgotten! :-) jonatha, jonatha, yeah yeah yeah! - -yael At 06:35 PM 7/9/01 -0400, you wrote: >DON'T FORGET TO WATCH J-BRO ON LETTERMAN TONIGHT > >love > >Paz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:21:12 -0400 From: "Deb Messling" Subject: RE: i'm back Wow, welcome back, Bill! New listers, you might want to take a look at the Joni Mitchell lyrics parody page on the jmdl site. Bill wrote some of the funniest. http://www.jmdl.com/parodies/index.cfm - ----------------------------------- Deb Messling =^..^= - ----------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:54:04 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Radio songs - (VLJC) How about Radio-Zachary Richard/Sonny Landreth Radio-Chick Corea and Gary Burton RadioActive-Paul Rodgers Paz (TWITCHING HERE WAITING FOR JONATHA ON LETTERMAN) YaY! on 7/8/01 4:42 PM, Mark Domyancich at mark@mail.jmdl.com wrote: > A couple I can think of... > > Magenta Radio - Rusted Root > On My Radio - New Bohemians > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 21:59:32 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Radio songs...NJC ok ok how about "rock and roll in the dashboard romance in the back of Ray's Dad's Caddilac Heee heee Stretchin" Paz NP-I'm So Happy-Sting on 7/9/01 6:48 AM, Steve Polifka at polifkas@milwaukee.tec.wi.us wrote: > Car on a Hill by the goddess > "Listening to the sirens and the radio..." > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:19:16 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Radio songs...NJC How's about Queen-Radio Ga Ga Rose in NJ she's a not my birday rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:34:36 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: i'm back In a message dated 7/9/01 4:19:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@friendsofanimals.org writes: > hey there jmdlers - > > what's up - im back after a long > absence. i am sure there are many new > faces here, and wondering which of > the oldtimers are still around. > > Welcome back Bill! I'm kind of an old timer (2-98), but mostly lurked for a year. I still remember voting for you for the Joni writer's conest back in '98 (and you won). I always enjoyed your parodies too! Hope you stick around for awhile. There's a lot of new and interesting people on the list now. Maybe you can make it to Ashara's Labor Day fest. Jimmy Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 23:46:33 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #285 - Seattle and Columbus Sorry I missed the Seattle mini Joni-fest...next time. I was at the July 9, 1983 Columbus concert. My brightest memory of that show was the closing number, Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody. Joni very emotively lengthened "Are you still miiiiiiiiiiinnnnne?" and the crowd went nuts. After the show we drove by the theater and I stuck my head out the window and yelled "Jooonnnniiiiiiiiiiii...." I just had to. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 20:59:25 -0700 From: Barbara Hirahara Subject: Shadows and Light (NJC) I'm not much on the price of vinyl recordings. My family has hit upon hard times and I am trying to find out where to sell my vinyl collection. I have a pristine copy of Shadows and Light. I would appreciate any feed back on where to sell and pricing my albums. I don't want to turn this into e-bay but I can trust the people on this forum to give me the straight skinny. Love & Peace, Barbara Hirahara [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type text/x-vcard which had a name of hirahara.vcf] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 21:22:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni, drugs, LA Weekly Tonight I was having dinner at the landmark Lucy's El Adobe (memorialized in Jimmy Webb's song "Adios" - as sung by Linda Ronstadt) when I suddenly heard a girl across the aisle yelp excitedly to her boyfriend "What does Joni Mitchell say??!" Of course my ears perked up and I saw him laughing and tearing a page out of the LA Weekly. He muttered the quote but I couldn't hear him and then they were laughing at some other quotes. The current issue is an oversized issue packed through with articles on the "war on drugs." So I picked one up and found they interspersed many large quotes on drugs by famous musicians throughout the paper. Joni's is not too pithy - "There are entire albums that would have been very different if that drug [cocaine] didn't exist." Some funnier ones were Frank Zappa's "Speed will turn you into your parents" and Ted Nugent's "All you stoned idiots are not getting into my guitar playing." Lucy's is a great place and she was known to have fed many starving musicians in the who later made it big. It was mainly a hangout for Webb, the Eagles, Jackson Browne and Linda in the old days and their tributes to her line the walls. Great old fashioned Mexican food, too. Kakki NP: Linda Ronstadt - Adios "drinking margaritas all night in the old cantina out on the California coast...." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 23:52:07 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Jonatha!!!!!! (NJC) Jonatha rocked on Letterman although I think she was a bit nervous at the start of the tune, but then she looked like she settled in just fine. How exciting that this record is taking off for her and that things are going well for her. Geaux Jonatha! She will be on Conan on Friday I heard. I had her on JukeBox first tho. nyah nah nah nah na! BTW Louisiana JukeBox is moving to the new Jazzland theme park on August 2. YaY! Paz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 17:24:37 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Santana - NJC Bob wrote: > NP: Santana, "Samba Pa Ti" This has got to be my most favourite instrumental piece ever - one of those songs that makes me stop whatever I'm doing to listen. Unfortunately one of our dairy companies has started using it in all their television ads - I hate it when they do that - butter will never be the same! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Jul 2001 07:59:04 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: Joni Songbooks Thanks for the links, Kakki. Three of the places are new to me. Would still appreciate people keeping their eyes open for me for the NRH songbook as I have never seen it available anywhere online. Will send $ to cover cost of book and postage. Regards to all, Marian Vienna + + + + + Kakki wrote: http://www.gemm.com/ http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/ http://www.a-zmusic.com/ http://www.music-music-music.com/vertmain/main.html ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #286 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?