From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, July 9 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 285 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: July 9 [les@jmdl.com] Kate Bush? [M.Russell@iaea.org] Re: NJC Caution [colin ] Re: Friends of Spirit [catherine.turley@verizon.net] Re: Kate Bush? (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] RE: Kate Bush? (NJC) [M.Russell@iaea.org] NJC 'caution' ["Mike Pritchard" ] Re: Friends of Spirit [Bruyere ] Re: Hello Again! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Thanks, and a question [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Radio songs - (VLJC) ["Sybil Skelton" ] Happy Birthday Leslie! [Steve Polifka ] Radio songs...NJC [Steve Polifka ] Happy birthday Vince! NJC [Steve Polifka ] Thanks and a question ["Ana Trabadelo" ] thanks and islam NJC [Yael Harlap ] Re: july 9!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC [Alison E ] Re: Happy Birthday Rev. Vince [Alison E ] Joni-the musician [scmorris ] Re: Happy birthday y'all NJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni-the musician [Don Rowe ] more radio songs NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: more radio songs NJC [Don Rowe ] Bud Cort (again) NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: Joni-the musician [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni-the musician [Brian Gross ] RE: Joni-the musician ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Vote for Joni ["Ian Scott" ] Happy Birthday (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Vote for Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Friends of Spirit (njc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Ernie K-Doe, Johnny Russell NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Happy birthday y'all NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: George Harrison with brain tumor (njc) [Catherine McKay ] Joni Songbooks ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni-the musician [Randy Remote ] Re: Thanks, and a question [Randy Remote ] Re: Radio songs - (NJC) [Randy Remote ] NJC Re: i'm back [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: NJC Caution [w evans ] Re: NJC Re: i'm back ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: Happy Birthday (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Message from Garret in London (NJC) ["Chris Marshall" ] Re: George Harrison with brain tumor (njc) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Happy Birthday (njc) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Ernie K-Doe, Johnny Russell NJC [Mags ] Re: i'm back ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: i'm back Now with Wolf In Lindsey question [KJHSF@aol.com] Re: Joni-the musician [Scott Price ] Re: i'm back Now with Wolf In Lindsey question [Scott Price Subject: Re: NJC Caution I agree with everything you wrote. I didn't notice anyone bashing Islam but fundamentalism and as you point out, fundies come from different faiths. Unfortunately for many Christianity has become synonymous with Fundamentlaism, Islam with the Taleban and others, Judaism with Israel etc. Reminds of the saying'truth speaks quietly'. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 01:07:28 +0000 From: catherine.turley@verizon.net Subject: Re: Friends of Spirit Hey Jonilistas, Have to add a me-three on this topic, and say what a great thing it was to spend an evening in Seattle with list friends. Don't know if it could have been any better--the setting, watching the sun go down as ferries criss-crossed Elliot Bay, snow capped Mt. Rainier looming to the south, and the Olympics across the sound to the west. Or the food-- a fantastic array of seafood and and a luscious dessert, the memory of which has the power to send me into a Homer Simpson-like stupor ("Ummmm, raspberry . . . ") Better than all that, of course, was the company--we probably could have met at the Burger King down by the railroad tracks and still had the same warmth and talk, talk, talk, of Joni and otherwise. Mark and Scott have already commented on this, but driving home afterwards I was struck that even though our little group represented different places and ages and careers and occupations and life experiences, it is amazing how that common love of Joni's music generates such goodwill and connection. That is a real and rare gift to treasure. Great to get to know everyone better-- Phyliss and Bob Ward, fresh from their artistic adventures in BC, full of stories and good humor; Mark, whom I've long wanted to have a chat with, and who is as interesting and thoughtful and charming as his posts would lead you to believe; and Scott Price--warm and funny (and a little mischievous) and as always a pleasure to chat with. I must say my husband Tom and Bob Ward share the Good Sport Spouse and Cameramen award. I think they'd have had a pretty good time with or without us Joni people--there was a great deal of laughter from their end of the table. (Of the nicest sort, I'm sure. :-) Mark or Travis wrote: > 'I took a ferry to a higway then I drove to a pontoon plane/I took a > plane to a taxi and a taxi to a train.' > Believe it or not it took some effort for us to remember all the means > of transportation and their order in the lyrics of 'Black Crow' last > night. Must have been the excitement and pleasure we all were feeling > in each other's company. I think we finally managed to remember > everything in the proper order. Props to Mark for being the first to get it right! It got a little dicey there, with the four of us wracking our memories, but Mark did us all proud. Allowed us to salvage our collective Joni lyric pride. Anyway--thanks to everyone for a fantastic evening. I'm up for another Seattle gathering--glad you'll be on board Jenaya! To other folks from the Emerald City and environs: Come out, come out, wherever you are! And if you get a chance to meet some joni friends, wherever on the planet you find yourself, for goodness sakes do it! Take care all-- Catherine T. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:56:29 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Kate Bush? (NJC) Marian asked > Anyone know how I can get in touch with Kate Bush? Hi Marian - according to the unofficial Kate Bush News & Information site at http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katebush.htm e-mail: twomey@clubi.ie "The only way to write to Kate is through her fanclub address" Lisa Bradley The Kate Bush Club P.O. Box 120, Welling,Kent, DA16 3DS, England or you might try this fanzine run by friends of hers Peter Fitzgerald-Morris Homeground PO Box 176, Orpington, Kent, BR5 3NA,England E-mail: HomeGround@isis.softnet.co.uk I noticed this on the News & Information site credits: "Special thanks to everyone who emails the site and to Homeground fanzine (for inspiration and information and for being wonderful people!) and to Wally Breese for showing how it can be done." PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:15:57 +0200 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: RE: Kate Bush? (NJC) I meant Kate of Colorado - isn't her last name Bush? Marian Vienna On 09 July 2001 10:56, Paul Castle [SMTP:pdcmusic@freeuk.com] wrote: > Marian asked > > Anyone know how I can get in touch with Kate Bush? > Hi Marian - according to the unofficial Kate Bush News & > Information site at http://www.clubi.ie/twomey/katebush.htm > e-mail: twomey@clubi.ie > PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:17:39 +0200 From: "Mike Pritchard" Subject: NJC 'caution' I am not anti-Islam; I am an lapsed non-conformist atheist who lives in the middle of a Moslem barrio of a Catalan city in Catholic Spain and to me all religions are equal. My feeling on the former Cat Stevens is that if he is able to state in many interviews that the murder of Salman Rushdie is justifiable because SR has 'insulted Allah' and that the Fatwa is irreversible, then I feel I am justified in not ever willingly listening to his music again. It may be irrational given that I have no problems in listening to Wagner, or Sinatra, or James Brown, and many others, all of whom have been accused, variously, of anti-Semitism, wife-bashing, having mafia connections, and a million other offences. The same could be said for film directors such as (provide your own example here) who treated their wives and women like dirt. the same goes for footballers (soccer for non-brits) like Paul Gascoigne who has put his wife in hospital on many occasions. and boxers like Roberto (Manos de Piedra) Duran. The bottom line is that we, as individuals, have the right to listen or watch or support movie stars, boxers, soccer stars American Football stars (OJ), film directors and actors or whoever. And we have the right to exclude them from our lives for any reason we find acceptable, be it rational or otherwise. This has nothing to do with being anti-Moslem; I refuse to listen to Cat Stevens for this reason, and I speak as an ex-fan of his. And that's not to mention homophobic and racist musicians, writers and sportsmen. Mike Pritchard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 07:28:48 -0400 From: Bruyere Subject: Re: Friends of Spirit Scott- What you wrote below is ' right on the money' . This is a major befit of the JMDL :-) Heather At 12:38 PM 7/8/01 -0700, Scott Price wrote: > >Although Mark and I are still debating which one of us will be Emmylou's >next husband, we did manage to feel that special bond that JMDLers have. >Phyliss and Catherine echoed this sentiment...you know the one...when after >years of buying the albums, listening to them over and over and over in >solitude, and more years spent in amazement wondering how Joni's music >connects so deeply with your soul, you find there are others out there who >feel the same. I think it's a great tribute to the artist that her admirers >will go to such lengths to gather where they can share and strengthen the >bond that brought them together...the love of Joni, her art, her music, her >inspiration. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:32:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello Again! Hi Julian! Seems like Homecoming or a family reunion or something here of late! ;~) Keep spreading the word on Joni in those parts...and our covers collection (which YOU provided some inspiration for) has now grown to 22 Volumes and counting! Maybe while you're cruising those record stores in the Pacific rim you can be on the lookout for: Asao Kikuchi, "Childisc, Volume 1", supposedly has a cover of BSN; Tokyo's Coolest Combo, "20 Coolest Hits", supposedly has a cover of "Circle Game" And you know there may be MORE! ;~) Enjoy your time, and give Lucy a kiss for me! Bob NP: Santana, "Mother's Daughter" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:36:55 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Thanks, and a question <> Walter, Get Court & Spark for now...you can get the other ones next time. You seem to enjoy the words, and C&S is loaded with some good ones, plus wonderful pop/jazz melodies and players. Bob NP: Santana, "Samba Pa Ti" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:12:34 -0500 From: "Sybil Skelton" Subject: Re: Radio songs - (VLJC) And for 'something completely different', there is always "Guerilla Radio" from Rage Against the Machine. "Lights out guerilla radio Turn that shit up" Ah, such kind and gentle words. Sybil (Actually RATM has kinda grown on me, makes me feel 17 again) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:42:55 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy Birthday Leslie! Hey Sweetie! (not you, WallyK... (grin) Leslie- Leslie!) Happy Birthday!!! Maybe you ask Hubby Steve to escort you to Topsfield for your present... Just a thought... Hope all your wishes come true today!! Hugs, Steve Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:48:12 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Radio songs...NJC Car on a Hill by the goddess "Listening to the sirens and the radio..." Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 08:52:49 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Happy birthday Vince! NJC Hey you! Hope all is well and wonderful things happen for you today! Hugs from the Midwest, Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 11:18:16 -0300 From: "Ana Trabadelo" Subject: Thanks and a question I want to thank to all of the people who answered my e-mail. I will buy an album next tuesday, in the store they have a double album called dog eat dog and wild things run fast, and court and spark. Wich one should i buy? I have been listening to Hejira and it is an amazing album.It's incredible the way she can describe situations and places. My favourite songs are Amelia, a strange boy, refuge of the roads, hejira and Furry sings the blues.I love the paragraph when she sings - He points a bony finger at you and says i don't like you.Everybody laughs as if it is the old mans standard joke but it is true, we are only welcome for our drink and smoke. I love that sentence. I am quite happy today,our sub-20 soccer selection won the world cup. In Argentina we are in a terrible recesion since 1998 and we don't have usually good news. Olthought it won't change our economical situation,at least it is a good new. To forget the problems for a moment. AND It is good to see that wherever i find good music, i find smashing pumpkins fans. ; ) Well bye Walter Hilgemberg ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:11:09 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: thanks and islam NJC Thank you to all who sent birthday greetings!!! The birthday fairy first of all and everyone else thereafter. :-) A happy birthday also to Rev. Vince and Leslie and anyone else who shares out birthday. Along with the other famous people the Rev. mentioned, I am happy to share a birthday with Courtney Love - whose music I can't quite dig. But I think she's cool. I also really like and agree with Vince's post on Islam. Too must misrepresented. And I would write more but I have to get to work... one of the damned atheists, :-) yael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:28:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: july 9!!!!!!!!!!!! NJC HAPPY BIRTHDAY LESLIE AND YAEL! hope you both had a great one. alison e. in nyc > wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > > LESLIE MIXON > > > > AND > > > > YAEL HARLAP > > > > have their birthdays on july 9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 07:31:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Rev. Vince AND A VERY HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE REV!!! my,my, so many fabulous birthdays in july! alison e. in nyc - --- Leslie Mixon wrote: > > > Happy Birthday (July 9th) Rev. Vince! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 10:28:59 -0600 From: scmorris Subject: Joni-the musician Well, I have a burning question for all you Joni fans. I recall reading somewhere that all the Joni sheet music books are transcriptions/arrangements put together by individuals ( I can't recall whom). As a classically trained musician, I take a special interest in pop musicians' education. I was wondering if anyone out there knows if Joni knows how to read music or guitar tablature or the extent of her musical training. On an unrelated topic, does anyone out there know if its possible to get a poster of Joni 'in action' so to speak, playing the guitar or the piano? I've looked on e-bay and they have plenty of posters from the Both Sides Now album, but that's pretty much it. And finally, Has Joni ever recorded songs that she has not written either words or lyrics to (covers) besides the Both Sides Now album? One of my friends mentioned that she did not write Woodstock...is this true? Thanks Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:31:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Happy birthday y'all NJC > So many people with birthdays in July - yikes! > > the Rev. Vince > Yael > Leslie > My, my, what an auspicious day this is! Three of my favorite JMDLers! To the Rev. Vince: I hope you have a fine day. Keep on with your work of putting humanity into your faith and into everything you do. To Yael: I've enjoyed our chats and have missed seeing you in the chat room (hardly ever anyone there these days, it seems.) Have a wonderful day! You're still planning on going to Ashara's, I hope? You'll have a blast! Wish I could be there :-( To my Dearest Natasha (Leslie): From the very special place in my heart that is always reserved for you I send you my hopes that your day is bright and fun and that this year will bring you many, many good things. Hopefully we'll see each other again soon. All my love from your Boris! Happy Birthday, All! And when exactly is or was Rose's birthday? I know I sent Jimmy a greeting but I think I missed Rose. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni-the musician - --- scmorris wrote: > And finally, Has Joni ever recorded songs that she > has not written either > words or lyrics to (covers) besides the Both Sides > Now album? Twisted -- C&S You're So Square -- WTRF A Bird That Whistles (adapted from the traditional "Corrina, Corrina") -- CMIARS How Do You Stop -- TI One of my > friends mentioned that she did not write > Woodstock...is this true? Nope, you win the bet. It's a Joni song. But you shouldn't feel too bad ... even the folks over at "All Things Considered" credit it CSN&Y. We always set 'em straight via e-mail, of course. ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 09:55:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: more radio songs NJC My favorite radio song (Elvis Costello's Radio Radio) has already been mentioned, but here's a couple more: Rock & Roll - the Velvet Underground Atmospherics - Tom Robinson (The 'former' "Glad to Be Gay" singer/songwriter mentined on this list a few times a month or so ago) The Unheard Music - X Roadrunner - The Modern Lovers (ok, this one is maybe a bit of a stretch. It's more about the joys of driving around with the radio on than it is just about radio, but it's a GREAT song. Actually, the entire first Modern Lovers record is wonderful.) This Is Pop - XTC (this one's a bit of a stretch as well). ! Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:02:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: more radio songs NJC This probably doesn't count, but Roxy Music's "Oh Yeah" (from Flesh & Blood) is probably one of my favorite "radio songs" ... even if the word isn't in the title! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 10:10:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: Bud Cort (again) NJC One last thing about Bud Cort: I went surfing and found this: http://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Star/4833/ a fan site about Bud Cort. There's some reprints of magazine articles about Bud there that you may find interesting. One has Bud discussing his accident in gory detail, another is described as 'A home visit with Bud in Silverlake, California' and has a very funny story about Grocho Marx's tooth (read it and you'll see what I mean). Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:11:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni-the musician <> No, Stephanie...it's not true and you have my permission to slap your friend silly! Joni did in fact pen "Woodstock", while she was in the Hotel waiting to be on Dick Cavett while "the boys" went to the festival. Woodstock is her 2nd most covered song after Both Sides Now. Now, as far as Joni doing covers: Twisted from C&S Centerpiece from HOSL Why Do Fools Fall In Love from S&L You're So Square, Baby I Don't Care from WTRF How Do You Stop from TI My Best to You from TTT Then on the fringes, you have: A Bird That Whistles from CMIARS, lyrics & music adapted from Corrina, Corrina; Cool Water from CMIARS, she tweaked the lyric ever so slightly As per your question, these are the ones from ALBUMS. There are also others that she performed live, but that's another category altogether... Sadly, she's not able to blame anybody else for "Dancin' Clown"! ;~) Bob NP: Screaming Trees, "Make My Mind" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 14:00:49 -0400 From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni-the musician Stephanie wrote: > <> And Bob answered: > No, Stephanie...it's not true and you have my permission to slap your friend silly! Joni did in fact pen "Woodstock", while she was in the Hotel waiting to be on Dick Cavett while "the boys" went to the festival. > > Woodstock is her 2nd most covered song after Both Sides Now. > Now me: A few months ago, there was discussion here of a story that Essra Mohawk claimed to have greatly influenced Joni's writing of "Woodstock." Joni's LOTC version of Woodstock sounds more like Essra's works of the late 60's and early 70's than Joni's other works from STAS thru MOA (imho). Maybe it is just the sound of the electric piano ... who knows? :-) and now I send up my prayers... take care everyone Brei (one of the cardiac kids) np: the background sounds of the Lookout Mountain United Downstairs Choir, in all their glory - -- After twenty-three years you'd think I could find A way to let you know somehow That I want to see your smiling face Forty-five years from now. --Stan Rogers ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 13:21:42 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Joni-the musician Also for songs she covered, i would include Chinese Cafe from WTRF which uses a portion of an old song i don't know the name of - "Oh my love my darlin i've hungered for your touch..." Donna - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of scmorris Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:29 AM To: JMDL Subject: Joni-the musician Well, I have a burning question for all you Joni fans. I recall reading somewhere that all the Joni sheet music books are transcriptions/arrangements put together by individuals ( I can't recall whom). As a classically trained musician, I take a special interest in pop musicians' education. I was wondering if anyone out there knows if Joni knows how to read music or guitar tablature or the extent of her musical training. On an unrelated topic, does anyone out there know if its possible to get a poster of Joni 'in action' so to speak, playing the guitar or the piano? I've looked on e-bay and they have plenty of posters from the Both Sides Now album, but that's pretty much it. And finally, Has Joni ever recorded songs that she has not written either words or lyrics to (covers) besides the Both Sides Now album? One of my friends mentioned that she did not write Woodstock...is this true? Thanks Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:29:01 -0700 From: "Ian Scott" Subject: Vote for Joni There's a site holding a poll to find the greatest albums of all time. Why not vote for Joni? The site is: http://www.albumvote.co.uk/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:16:24 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Happy Birthday (njc) So many born with the sun in Cancer! Maybe we should order a cake ;-) Happy birthday to Pearl, Vince, Yael and Leslie. Rose, did you have one, too, or are you keeping it under wraps? Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:42:53 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Vote for Joni Ian Scott wrote: > There's a site holding a poll to find the greatest albums of all time. Why not > vote for Joni? > The site is: http://www.albumvote.co.uk/ Just a word of warning. They ask a lot of personal information in order to vote. More unwanted emails will surely follow. Jerry np: Mary Chapin Carpenter - Late for Your ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:24:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Friends of Spirit (njc) Catherine, Mark & Scott, Sounds like a dreamy place and wonderful time that you all had. Synchro - my friend who just moved there called me the other day raving about Elliot Bay and the view of Mt. Rainier from his place. He also has been raving about everything else and has already filled an album with 500 photos in one week! I know, I know, I keep telling my friends from California that you all have had enough of them, but they won't listen to me ;-D Kakki, still dreaming of a cottage on San Juan Island when I win the Lotto. Catherine wrote: > Have to add a me-three on this topic, and say what a great thing it was > to spend an evening in Seattle with list friends. Don't know if it > could have been any better--the setting, watching the sun go down as > ferries criss-crossed Elliot Bay, snow capped Mt. Rainier looming to the > south, and the Olympics across the sound to the west. Or the food-- a > fantastic array of seafood and and a luscious dessert, the memory of > which has the power to send me into a Homer Simpson-like stupor > ("Ummmm, raspberry . . . ") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Ernie K-Doe, Johnny Russell NJC While we're at it, let's not forget my fellow Canadian, not a musician, but a fine, fine writer - Mordecai Richler who died within the last week. - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > Ernie K-doe gave us "Mother in Law" and died last > Thursday in New > Orleans. > > Johnny Russell of Grand Ole Oprey died last Tuesday > in Nashville; he > wrote "Act Naturally: which was such fun for Ringo > to sing and us to > listen to! > > Rest eternal grant them O Lord > and let light perpetual shine upon them. > > (the Rev) Vince Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 14:53:48 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Radio songs - (VLJC) Radar Love was done by a group called Golden Earring. Also: On the Radio - Donna Summer db - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Randy Remote Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 9:04 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Radio songs - (VLJC) Turn Your Radio On - the late John Hartford Rainy Night House - Joni "you are a holy man on the FM radio" Wavelength - Van Morrison involving radio waves: Radar Love - by ? stretching the concept: Western Union - Five Americans Welcome back, Jenaya!!! Jenaya Dawe wrote: > First of all, hello to some familiar names (Bob, Kakki, Mark), I've been > off-list for about 2 years and just signed back up - took me awhile to figure > out some of the new email addresses! I'm sorry to hear I missed a Seattle > get-together last night - I live a block from Cutter's! > > Anyway, I've had "You Turn Me On..." stuck in my head for a week, and it has > me thinking of other songs about radio. I'm putting together a thematic CD > and I was wondering what y'all would suggest. Here's what I have so far: > > "YTMOIAR" - Joni > "Are You Out There?" - Dar Williams > "Radio Song" - REM > "Video Killed The Radio Star" - The Buggles > "Mexican Radio" - Wall of Voodoo > "Screenwriters Blues" - Soul Coughing > > What else can you guys think of? I know there's tons, this could turn into a > 2 CD project... > > Best to ALL! > Jenaya ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:57:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Happy birthday y'all NJC - --- Mark or Travis wrote: > > And when exactly is or was Rose's birthday? I know > I sent Jimmy a > greeting but I think I missed Rose. > I believe that was my mistake. I was sure I saw Rose's name mentioned, but maybe it was Leslie's. Or someone else's, I dunno! Apologies to Rose - rumours of her birthday were greatly exaggerated and may she enjoy many unbirthdays, but only one birthday. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:00:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: George Harrison with brain tumor (njc) Get well soon, George (my favourite Beatle - sigh!) - --- Brian Gross wrote: > George Harrison > treated for brain > tumor - paper > Reuters > Jul 8 2001 7:20PM Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:08:18 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: i'm back hey there jmdlers - what's up - im back after a long absence. i am sure there are many new faces here, and wondering which of the oldtimers are still around. For joni content, I will include this link to the poster that Joni did for our organization: http://www.friendsofanimals.org/pred/wolf/joni.htm Bill Dollinger Washington DC Director Friends of Animals 2000 P Street NW Ste 415 Washington, DC 20036 phone: 202-296-2172 fax: 202-296-2190 e-mail: foa@igc.org web site: http://www.friendsofanimals.org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 12:56:49 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Songbooks Marian and Sue Cooper were recently asking about obtaining a copy of the Night Ride Home songbook. I've checked with several sheet music stores in LA and, unfortunately, none of them have it in stock at this time. I have seen it come up fairly regularly on Ebay and you can also go to Amazon.com and ask them to try to find it for you. Another great site for Joni rarities is GEMM. I've listed the links to web sites for GEMM and for some other good online sheet music stores below. Kakki http://www.gemm.com/ http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/ http://www.a-zmusic.com/ http://www.music-music-music.com/vertmain/main.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:17:42 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni-the musician scmorris wrote: > Well, I have a burning question for all you Joni fans. I recall reading > somewhere that all the Joni sheet music books are transcriptions/arrangements > put together by individuals ( I can't recall whom). As a classically trained > musician, I take a special interest in pop musicians' education. I was > wondering if anyone out there knows if Joni knows how to read music or guitar > tablature or the extent of her musical training. I think the answer to that question would be no. It's possible she has a rudimentary knowledge of some aspects of notation from childhood-she had (brief) piano lessons and sang in choirs. > > > On an unrelated topic, does anyone out there know if its possible to get a > poster of Joni 'in action' so to speak, playing the guitar or the piano? I've > looked on e-bay and they have plenty of posters from the Both Sides Now album, > but that's pretty much it. > You can get lots of jpgs from the jonimitchell.com site-you can print them yourself- or maybe a local copy center can blow them up into posters. Posters of Joni have been few, mainly promos for her albums, and I can't recall any of her playing an instrument. > > And finally, Has Joni ever recorded songs that she has not written either > words or lyrics to (covers) besides the Both Sides Now album? One of my > friends mentioned that she did not write Woodstock...is this true? Brian Gross wrote: A few months ago, there was discussion here of a story that Essra Mohawk claimed to have greatly influenced Joni's writing of "Woodstock." Joni's LOTC version of Woodstock sounds more like Essra's works of the late 60's and early 70's than Joni's other works from STAS thru MOA (imho). Maybe it is just the sound of the electric piano ... who knows? :-) Esra herself still maintains this story. I got a personal email from her saying as much. FWIW she sounds like a credible nice person. Joni is credited as the sole writer. Other songs that Joni has not wholly written include most of the Mingus album, in which she wrote lyrics to Charles Mingus' music, including his signature tune "Goodbye Pork-Pie Hat". "Yvette In English" was co-written with David Crosby. "The Silky Veils of Ardor" used revised lyrics from a couple of old folk songs: "Wayfarin' Stranger" and "Come You Fair and Tender Ladies" (or something like that). "Slouching Toward Bethlehem" is based on a poem by W.B. Yeats."The Crazy Cries of Love" contains lyrics by Don Freed, and some of the Klein-era (Dog Eat Dog, CMIAR, NRH) songs were cowritten with her then-husband, bassist Larry Klein. She has performed other people's songs in concert, probably too numerous to mention, including "Get Together", "I Heard It Through the Grapevine", & "Trouble Man". "Donna J. Binkley" wrote: > Also for songs she covered, i would include Chinese Cafe from WTRF which > uses a portion of an old song i don't know the name of - "Oh my love my > darlin i've hungered for your touch..." Donna It's "Unchained Melody" > > > Thanks > Stephanie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:23:55 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Thanks, and a question Bounced Message wrote: > From: "diego copado" > Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 02:23:19 -0300 > > I want to thank to all of the people who answered my e-mail. > I will buy an album next tuesday, > in the store they have a double album called dog eat dog and wild things run > fast, and court and spark. > Wich one should i buy? In order of their release: C&S was Joni's most mainstream album, at least in terms of airplay and popularity. It is "L.A. rock/jazz", backed by Tom Scott's "LA Express". It is one of her classics for good reason. WTRF has abundant electric guitar and drums, and great songs- more mainstream rock, no synths, unlike DED which is very synth/drum pattern heavy if you like that sort of thing. Hope this helps. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 13:48:58 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Radio songs - (NJC) patrick leader wrote: > thomas dolby's first album, 'golden age of wireless', is of course an album > ABOUT radio (among other things, of course). it contributes two songs: > > -radio silence > -airwaves Other radio-concept albums: The new Spearhead/Michael Franti release "Stay Human"- simulates a community radio station reacting to the death sentence of a local social worker. Roger Waters' "Radio K.A.O.S." about a boy that recieves radio signals in his head Firesign Theatre's "Give Me Immortality Or Give Me Death" - -about a radio station that keeps getting resold and changes format every 5 minutes. Some good "fake" commercials. Speaking of comedy, there are probably a million bits about radio, one that comes to mind is George Carlin's "Wonderful WINO", indispensible to any radio compilation. RR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 16:54:50 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: NJC Re: i'm back Welcome back, Bill!! Jeez, it's raining JMDL'er returns...paging Julie Webb! :~D Also Bill, it should be noted that your parodies are wonderful...hope you have a few new ones up your sleeve at some point. Bob NP: Seal, "When A Man Is Wrong" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Re: NJC Caution I won't bash Islam sui generis either, but Yusuf had some very public words in support of the Ayatollah's death decree against Salmon Rushdie. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:59:52 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: NJC Re: i'm back Thanks Bob, I did miss everyone here, and I am also eager to see what new personalities have entered the jmdl fold. And I did catch a weird al special on vh1 behind the music, so a parody could definitely come around. Bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Cc: Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:54 PM Subject: NJC Re: i'm back Welcome back, Bill!! Jeez, it's raining JMDL'er returns...paging Julie Webb! :~D Also Bill, it should be noted that your parodies are wonderful...hope you have a few new ones up your sleeve at some point. Bob NP: Seal, "When A Man Is Wrong" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:21:14 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday (njc) In a message dated 7/9/01 3:44:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Rose, did you have one, too, or > are you keeping it under wraps? > > No, mine's in February. I am a water sign though rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 22:22:25 +0100 From: "Chris Marshall" Subject: Message from Garret in London (NJC) Garret (from Dublin) is currently spending a month or so in London, and wanted me to pass on a message saying that he's asking after everyone and having a good time, even if it is on a bit of a budget! Rgds, - --Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 16:24:52 -0500 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Happy Birthday To You!!!! (NJC) Happy Freaking Birthday to Leslie and Yael. You geaux girls! Also happy freaking anniversary to Colin and John many more to all. I survived the first week with BET, but may NOT last thru the whole month. DON'T FORGET TO WATCH J-BRO ON LETTERMAN TONIGHT love Paz P.S. Also Bon Voyage Nikki lounging in the islands. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 17:56:22 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: George Harrison with brain tumor (njc) In a message dated 7/9/01 4:17:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > Get well soon, George (my favourite Beatle - sigh!) > > Mine too. God Bless you George rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:11:57 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday (njc) Oops! Don't want to forget Pearl! Happy Birthday to one of the nicest JMDLers I've had the pleasure to meet. Have a great day, Pearl! Mark in Seattle > So many born with the sun in Cancer! Maybe we should order a cake ;-) Happy > birthday to Pearl, Vince, Yael and Leslie. Rose, did you have one, too, or > are you keeping it under wraps? > > Love, Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 18:16:20 -0400 From: Mags Subject: Re: Ernie K-Doe, Johnny Russell NJC Catherine McKay wrote: > < Canadian, not a musician, but a fine, fine writer - > Mordecai Richler who died within the last week.>> Thank you for mentioning this Catherine, a very sad day indeed. Another Canadian icon, a man with so much talent and class and love for his art. A true story teller, telling tales of the every day experience. Very down to earth and funny as hell too. Mags np: same situation... counting on them Brei. > > > --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > > Ernie K-doe gave us "Mother in Law" and died last > > Thursday in New > > Orleans. > > > > Johnny Russell of Grand Ole Oprey died last Tuesday > > in Nashville; he > > wrote "Act Naturally: which was such fun for Ringo > > to sing and us to > > listen to! > > > > Rest eternal grant them O Lord > > and let light perpetual shine upon them. > > > > (the Rev) Vince > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening. Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, an enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. --Lui Collins - --- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 15:14:56 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: i'm back Nice to see your name here again, Bill! I'm still here! Mark in Seattle > hey there jmdlers - > > what's up - im back after a long > absence. i am sure there are many new > faces here, and wondering which of > the oldtimers are still around. > > For joni content, I will include this link > to the poster that Joni did for our > organization: > .org ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2001 18:13:22 EDT From: KJHSF@aol.com Subject: Re: i'm back Now with Wolf In Lindsey question In a message dated 7/9/2001 4:24:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, bill@friendsofanimals.org writes: << http://www.friendsofanimals.org/pred/wolf/joni.htm >> Welcome back from one of the relative (at least to you) newbies! I'd not seen that poster, so many thinks for posting that link. It's great to see Joni speaking for animals so simply and eloquently. The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey is one of my very favorite compositions, though I'm not sure who or what it's about. JMDLR's--can you offer any clues? Now, about that perm... Ken from SF PS; cat lovers, please check out the disturbing www.bonsaikitten website. Whether or not it's a hoax, we must register our protest to this cruelty! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:24:20 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni-the musician At 10:28 AM 7/9/01 -0600, scmorris wrote: >I was wondering if anyone out there knows if Joni knows how to >read music or guitar tablature She does not read music and would have a difficult time telling you what chords she's playing. Her view is more towards shapes, colors, and feelings rather than individual notes. She has developed over 50 different open tunings for guitar which she has used over the years. Basically when composing she will hear sounds in her head and then fiddle with the guitar strings until the open chord shapes sound right. I believe she then will make a numerical notation of a plus or minus, depending on how far she has relaxed or stretched the individual string from standard tuning (read: number of frets). For example if she took the bottom "E" string on a guitar and tuned it down to a "D" she would note "minus two" on that string, having taken the note down two half-steps from its origin. Once her open tuning is set she will experiment with combinations of barres to achieve the chord patterns she wants. I've not heard or seen her talk much about developing the melodies but I would guess she might kind of add them in as she's working on the progressions. I have heard that Joel Bernstein, Joni's long-time friend and guitar-tech-dude, has an extensive knowledge of all her tunings and if this is the case it wouldn't surprise me in the least if she has forgotten several of the tunings and would have to consult with Bernstein if she were to revisit some of her older material. Her piano songs are done totally from memory as once again she has no idea the chord names or the individual notes. I suspect her piano playing and composing comes from a zen-like state where she just lets it happen without conscious thought. In the studio Joni the producer would often hum or sing the parts she wanted other musicians to play and they tried to duplicate what she was presenting. The exceptions were Jaco Pastorius and Wayne Shorter, two musicians whom she gave a much freer reign, because she felt they were much more in synch with what she was trying to accomplish than the usual pro session players. With Shorter, in particular, Joni would describe a setting, like, say, a dark stormy night, and then let Shorter just go from there. Joni knows, and has been told countless times, that her music is often complex, her chords "peculiar." That she possesses some kind of genius is widely accepted (especially here on the JMDL :-) but it's achieved with a keen ear, attention to details, and an abstract sense of painting with her music, not by slaving over a piano or a guitar and writing down each note as they fall into place. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2001 15:37:46 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: i'm back Now with Wolf In Lindsey question At 06:13 PM 7/9/01 EDT, KJHSF@aol.com wrote: >The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey is one of my very favorite >compositions, though I'm not sure who or >what it's about. JMDLR's--can you offer any clues? Hi Ken, With many apologies to old-timers (yes I know this is the *third* time I have posted the following) but this long-ish yarn will give you a good picture of how "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey" came to pass..... This is from an interview Joni gave to "Musician" in 1983 and takes a while but will eventually work back to "The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Joni Mitchell: "There's a song called "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey." It was a live duet between Don Alias and myself; it's a strange piece of music, in that it's an example of a song that has a structure that I had completely ignored. I dropped beats, I added beats, there's bars of 3/4 that are in there, and there's all kinds of abbreviated signatures. Don was thrown into a highly alert position as a drummer, to be able to follow this thing, which was not maintaining a groove, just bursts of rhythmic passages. It was very spontaneous. And, when the thing was over, we figured that magic had, in fact, occurred. As raw as it was, and as technically peculiar as it was, you couldn't beat it for spirit. And I turned to Henry and said, "You know what we need on this now? We need wolves and water gongs." And, that was on a Wednesday night. So he was going to make it a project over the weekend to look through the A&M library of sound effects, and we were going to get some wolves." "So, anyway, that weekend I had company coming from Texas, and I had company coming from Canada at the same time. And simultaneously I was supposed to be at the Bread & Roses Festival. When my guests arrived, coming already from long distances, I had to tell them, "We're moving now!" And we all went to this festival in San Francisco. Things kinda got screwed up and there were some vibes around the whole situation which I won't go into, that made me very introspective. And I noticed at dinner that night, that my introspection was also making the table introspective. So, I thought, "I don't want to be here in this mood with these people, I'm influencing their mood," and so I excused myself. I had told a friend of mine, Tim Hardin, that I was gonna meet him back at the hotel. So I get to the hotel desk, and I say to a very uptight desk clerk, you know, "Would you please give me Mr. Hardin's room?" And he replied, "Can't you see I'm busy?" He was really uptight. The lobby of the hotel was gigantic, and suddenly, across the hall there came a drunk, singing "Why Do Fools Fall In Love?," stumbling across the lobby, snapping his fingers, right? I had nothing but time on my hands, so I perked up, because suddenly there was externally something interesting (laughs), and I was drawn across the hall, and I linked up with him, and we came back across the hall, singing "Why Do Fools Fall In Love?" We ended up standing by the desk, with this uptight guy in the background, and the next thing I knew, we had drawn in two more singers who turned out to be the Persuasions. Well, when we stopped singing, everybody was in great spirits, we all laughed, you know, we patted each other on the back, and we shook hands. "So now," I say to the guy, "Would you give me Mr. Hardin's room," and somebody in the crowd yells, "Oh, Hardin's in the bar." So I go into the bar, there's a kind of loungey jazz band playing, and Hardin is pissed out of his mind, and he comes dancing towards me through this crowded room here, singing to the band, "Hello, Joni," and doing improvisational lyrics. So I start dancing towards him, singing "Hello, Timmy! So good to see you!" The bartender says, "What would you like?" And I sing to him, "One white wine," and the bartender raises his hand in the air, and sings back, "One white wine." And the next thing, the whole room was engaged in this spontaneous Broadway show. Anyway, the story hasn't come to an end yet. Now, we're all in very high spirits. We discover that there's a party on the third floor. We go up to this room, and all the way up the hallwayyou know, Timmy and I are hamming it up, just being goofy. We get into the room, and suddenly, the same guy that was drunk in the lobby singing "Why Do Fools Fall In Love?" comes up to me and says, "I have a tape of some wolves." And I say to him, not even realizing how profound it is, "Oh, I'm looking for a tape of some wolves. I'll write down my address and you send it to me." He said, "No, I mean, I've got it on me." So I said, "Okay," and he produced this box of tapes, all homemade with labels on them, and we thumbed through it. It was all African animal sound effects. Well, the very last entry was wolves. So he loaned me his tape recorder, I put the tape on, and it was a cycle of a wolf-it starts off with the lead wolf, and then you hear yipping of pups and female voices, you know? And then he goes, "Aaaooo-aaooh-abh." Like, the same yelp, but one note up higher in the scale. And then the yipping of the pups, and the females. And the thing was looped about four times. Well, the first time I did "The Wolf That Lives In Lindsey," I just hit the button right at the beginning, picked up the guitar, and uncannily, it was the perfect key. The way the loop was designed, if you started it at the top of the tape and went all the way to the end, it fit the structure perfectly. So anyway, the next night when I went to the concert, my friend Joel Bernstein hooked the tape up and for an encore, I came out and we did this song and we blasted the wolves, mixed them in with the song, and the audience when I was finished singing, some clapped, but most of them howled me back on for another encore. So you see, there's still ways to get spontaneity into a show." - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #285 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?