From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, July 6 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 281 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: July 5 [les@jmdl.com] july 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] tolerance and International schools NJC [Yael Harlap ] Steve's dream NJC ["kerry" ] Re: cat stevens question NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: cat stevens question NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) ["kerry" ] Re: cat stevens question NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) [colin ] Re: tolerance and International schools NJC [colin ] Kirsten Dunst mentions Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) ["kerry" ] RE: Steve's Dreams ["Donna J. Binkley" ] Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) [colin ] Robert Muller hads the FBI NJC [Vince Lavieri ] Janet Jackson Interview on CNN [Leslie Mixon ] MSN question (NJC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Our friend in Greenville (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: Gay Bashing / Tolerence - LONG (NJC) ["Diane Evans" Subject: july 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc from its SPLENDID, SUMPTUOUS, EXCLUSIVE private observatory the most excellent BIRTHDAY FAIRY is enjoying the two stellar phenomenA of the day: the eclipse in capricorn and PEARL'S BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! H A P P Y B I R T H D A Y JONI LOOK ALIKE!!!!!!!!!!!! [wally says: i love you] the BIRTHDAY FAERIE ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:31:57 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: tolerance and International schools NJC Marian said... >My daughters go to an international school so they are learning >tolerance of other religions and cultures as part of their education. The >children they go to school with are from many different countires and >cultures. Although this type of tolerance is encouraged, tolerance of >anything to do with sexuality is a subject which is totally ignored. I went to an American school in Spain for all of junior high and high school. It was amazing the diversity of cultures and nationalities we had. Yet I don't remember ever having any sort of education around sexual orientation nor around class for that matter. I find that completely mind-boggling now when I think back on it. All those wasted years of my childhood ignorance... I mean, it probably was more tolerant than a lot of public schools in the US, and possibly other places too (I wouldn't know), but being a private school isolated from the kinds of shrill and hystrionic debates that go on in the US about sexuality/sex education - they could have done more. - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 09:39:42 -0400 From: Yael Harlap Subject: cat stevens question NJC hi! I'm trying to identify the name of a Cat Stevens song, and what album it is on. It is in Harold and Maude - right at the scene when they are lying in bed and Harold is blowing bubbles. It starts "I think I see the light... shining through me..." And the chorus repeats "Shine shine shine". Harold and Maude being one of my favorite movies of all time, long ago I went on a search for a soundtrack only to learn that a soundtrack had never been released. There is an album called "Greatest Hits 2" which has most of the Harold and Maude songs on it... but not all. I was reminded of this song last night when I was at Cosi - which just opened in Ann Arbor (I hear they're all over NYC). That place has the best corporate music I have ever heard. Seriously - the second time I went in there "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" started playing. I have also heard 2 Sarah Harmer songs, 2 Jonatha Brooke songs (!)... mmm. - -Yael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:17:31 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Steve's dream NJC Steve wrote about his Joni dream: >>One of the guys encouraged me to stay back there with them, so did >>Joni herself, telling me she was glad I was such a good sleuth. I hung out >>with Mary P. who also found the secret sware. DAMN! Even in your dreams, I just miss meeting Joni!!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:23:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: cat stevens question NJC Yael, the song is called "I Think I See The Light", from the record "Mona Bone Jakon" Bob Full lyric below: I used to trust nobody, trusting even less their words, until I found somebody, there was no one I preferred, my heart was made of stone, my eyes saw only misty grey, Until you came into my life girl, I saw everyone that way. Until I found the one I needed at my side, I think I would have been a sad man all my life. I think I see the light coming to me, coming through me giving me a second sight. So shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine. I used to walk alone, every step seemed the same. This world was not my home, so there was nothing much to gain. Look up and see the clouds, look down and see the cold floor. Until you came into my life girl, I saw nothing, nothing more. Until I found the one I needed at my side, I think I would have been a sad man all my life. I think I see the light coming to me, coming through me giving me a second sight. So shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine, shine. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 10:40:01 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: cat stevens question NJC <> Oh, I also found out that this statement is not true, Yeal...A&M Records did in fact release a soundtrack LP to Harold & Maude in 1972, but only in Japan & selected countries, doesn't appear to be released in the US. The song you asked about is on the soundtrack as well... Bob NP: Rolling Stones, "All The Way Down" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 09:54:40 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) Mags wrote: >>I know that I take for granted things we are able to do like holding hands and showing each other affection in public ... we 'can' because no one thinks twice about it... we are afterall perceived as 'straight' and yet, if a lesbian or gay couple does the same thing..many people in the mainstream freak out. Infuriating. I just do not get it. I've been told that this reaction is based upon fear...what the hell are they so afraid of? And what is there to hate about people loving each other? I have a postcard with a picture of a woman screaming. It's meant to look like a horror movie poster and it says, "They worked at their jobs! They shopped for groceries! They even went to the movies! They lived.......The Homosexual Lifestyle! See....them do their laundry! Hear....them order from the local takeout! Feel....your spine tingle as they watch TV!" I think that says it all! This list has been a unique experience for me. In my regular life I usually take baby steps out of the closet, and here I feel comfortable being out. It's been great to meet other listers and they may or may not know, but it's no big deal. It's always such a long process in "real life." I get to know someone, kind of do a mental survey of how they might feel about gay people and then finally tell them, hoping they don't freak out. (I recently told a woman at work that I was gay because someone else told me that she was. It turns out she's NOT gay. Was MY face red! Anyway, she was very cool about it.) I agree with Colin though, that most people really don't have a problem with it. It's the smaller, vocal minority who do. If my parents, who are in their 70's can be totally accepting about it, I think anyone can!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 11:27:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: cat stevens question NJC - --- Yael Harlap wrote: > hi! > > I'm trying to identify the name of a Cat Stevens > song, and what album it is on. > It is in Harold and Maude - right at the scene when > they are lying in bed > and Harold is blowing bubbles. > It starts "I think I see the light... shining > through me..." > And the chorus repeats "Shine shine shine". > > Harold and Maude being one of my favorite movies of > all time, long ago I > went on a search for a soundtrack only to learn that > a soundtrack had never > been released. This song is on the album "Mona Bone Jakon". Most of the songs from "Harold and Maude" are on the "Tea for the Tillerman" album. These albums were all remastered recently and are available in CD format. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:46:52 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) > I agree with Colin though, that most people really don't have a > problem with it. oh dear kerry, I think you either misunderstood or I left some words out of my post. I meant to write the complete opposite of the meaning you got. I think most people DO have a problem with it, even those who say they don't. Why? becasue we still do not have equal status with heterosexuals. No partnership rights, no protection in law against discrimination in work, no gay bashing laws akin to the race hate laws. If all our supporters truly do not have a problem with us, why are we still not treated equally? Why have they not demanded equal treatent for us under the law? Could it be that when it comes down to it, they think other things are more important than our human rights? In other words I think most talk the talk but few walk the walk. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 17:50:12 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: tolerance and International schools NJC > Yet I don't remember ever having any sort of education around sexual > orientation here in the UK it is illeagl to mention homosexuality at all in class in schools. The notorious Section 28 is responsible for that. Brought in by that awful Thatcher woman. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:10:42 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Diana Krall/Joni In a NY Times review of Diana Krall's recent Carnegie Hall appearance, Neil Strauss wrote: Her 16-song set included tunes made famous by Frank Sinatra, Peggy Lee and Julie London, though she also threw in some of her favorite curve balls, most impressively a moving version of Joni Mitchell's "A Case of You" that did find a deep end. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 12:17:15 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Steve's Dreams Hey Kerry! Well I did go back for you, but you had left!!! LOL!!! Hugs, Steve At 09:17 AM 7/5/01 -0500, you wrote: >Steve wrote about his Joni dream: >>>One of the guys encouraged me to stay back there with them, so did >>>Joni herself, telling me she was glad I was such a good sleuth. I hung out >>>with Mary P. who also found the secret sware. > >DAMN! Even in your dreams, I just miss meeting Joni!!!! > >Kerry > > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 13:43:32 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Kirsten Dunst mentions Joni I was SO bored yesterday that I actually read Rolling Stone magazine, almost cover to cover, at least as much as I could stand. Anyway, an article they had on Kirsten Dunst mentioned that one of the things she did to prepare for 'crazy/beautiful' was to listen to Joni's "Blue" a lot. I haven't seen the flick so I don't know how that applies. Speaking of flicks, it used to be that summer brought out a lot of fun and occasionally even GOOD movies. Last summer was awful and this summer is shaping up to be even worse, although I must say I'm excited about the possibilities of Tim Burton taking on "Planet of the Apes". Bob NP: Linda Ronstadt, "Silver Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 13:32:39 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) Colin, You brought up some good points. I guess I've been really lucky in my own life (except for an aunt who has all but disowned me.) Most people I've told have been okay about it, but you're right - sometimes you wonder how accepting they really are. I also recently attended the Chicago Pride parade and they estimated a crowd of about 375,000. I was coming from a "high" from the parade and the viewpoint that we've come a long way, but I agree that there's still a long way to go! (Glass half empty/half full) >>If all our supporters truly do not have a problem with us, why are we still not treated equally? << I didn't say that "all" our supporters don't have a problem with us. There are a great deal of very vocal, very homophobic people in the world. I was just speaking from my experiences. Take care, Kerry - ----- Original Message ----- From: colin To: kerry Cc: ; mags Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:46 AM Subject: Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) > > I agree with Colin though, that most people really don't have a > > problem with it. > > oh dear kerry, I think you either misunderstood or I left some words out of my > post. I meant to write the complete opposite of the meaning you got. I think > most people DO have a problem with it, even those who say they don't. Why? > becasue we still do not have equal status with heterosexuals. No partnership > rights, no protection in law against discrimination in work, no gay bashing laws > akin to the race hate laws. If all our supporters truly do not have a problem > with us, why are we still not treated equally? Why have they not demanded equal > treatent for us under the law? Could it be that when it comes down to it, they > think other things are more important than our human rights? In other words I > think most talk the talk but few walk the walk. > bw > colin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 14:15:02 -0500 From: "Donna J. Binkley" Subject: RE: Steve's Dreams Would someone please tell me what LOL means? db - -----Original Message----- From: les@jmdl.com [mailto:les@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Steve Polifka Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 12:17 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Steve's Dreams Hey Kerry! Well I did go back for you, but you had left!!! LOL!!! Hugs, Steve At 09:17 AM 7/5/01 -0500, you wrote: >Steve wrote about his Joni dream: >>>One of the guys encouraged me to stay back there with them, so did >>>Joni herself, telling me she was glad I was such a good sleuth. I hung out >>>with Mary P. who also found the secret sware. > >DAMN! Even in your dreams, I just miss meeting Joni!!!! > >Kerry > > > > Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 20:29:48 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) kerry wrote: > Colin, > You brought up some good points. I guess I've been really lucky in my own > life (except for an aunt who has all but disowned me.) Most people I've > told have been okay about it, but you're right - sometimes you wonder how > accepting they really are. I also recently attended the Chicago Pride > parade and they estimated a crowd of about 375,000. I was coming from a > "high" from the parade and the viewpoint that we've come a long way, but I > agree that there's still a long way to go! (Glass half empty/half full) > > >>If all our supporters truly do not have a problem with us, why are we > still not treated equally? << > > I didn't say that "all" our supporters don't have a problem with us. No I know you didn't. Most of letter was not directly answering what you wrote! Just me rambling on to other points. > There > are a great deal of very vocal, very homophobic people in the world. Yes there are but they are supposedly the minority, if very vocal. my point was that if our str8 friends are as amny as we think, we'd not have the inequality we have. I know it sounds rather cynical but it does seem pretty accurate to me. > I was > just speaking from my experiences. I have had very good experiences too and I hold them close to my heart. i have juts had a long converstaion with a long time friend who was there for me when the shit hit the fan for me. She is str8, married etc but she and her husband are good people and genuine. Other than John, my best experinces have been with str8 people. the most love I have been given(apart from John) has been from str8 people. I am glad you had a great time at the Pride thing and I am sorry you thought I was negating you. I wasn't. bw colin > > > Take care, > Kerry > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: colin > To: kerry > Cc: ; mags > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:46 AM > Subject: Re: Gay Bashing in Belgrade (NJC) > > > > I agree with Colin though, that most people really don't have a > > > problem with it. > > > > oh dear kerry, I think you either misunderstood or I left some words out > of my > > post. I meant to write the complete opposite of the meaning you got. I > think > > most people DO have a problem with it, even those who say they don't. Why? > > becasue we still do not have equal status with heterosexuals. No > partnership > > rights, no protection in law against discrimination in work, no gay > bashing laws > > akin to the race hate laws. If all our supporters truly do not have a > problem > > with us, why are we still not treated equally? Why have they not demanded > equal > > treatent for us under the law? Could it be that when it comes down to it, > they > > think other things are more important than our human rights? In other > words I > > think most talk the talk but few walk the walk. > > bw > > colin > > > > - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 18:08:31 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Robert Muller hads the FBI NJC I just heard that on NPR - Robert Muller appointed to head the FBI - does that mean no more covers cds? or even better ones? :-) Hey, Bob, hire me for an agent! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:26:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Robert Muller heads the FBI NJC << does that mean no more covers cds? or even better ones? :-) >> Yes, I was trying to keep this a secret but now the Rev. has let the cat out of the bag...the feds were so impressed with my Joni cover sleuthing that they gave me this appointment! I think it will result in better covers collections, I will try and use my *influence* as head of the FBI to get my favorite artists to do Joni songs. My second mission...Mingus demos! ;~) Bob, who remembers in grade school when "FBI" meant "female body inspector" PS: This is a joke... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:50:58 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Our friend in Greenville (NJC) This just in from CNN: President Bush nominated Robert Mueller as the new director of the FBI. I hope you'll still have time for the covers project :-) Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 14:55:25 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Janet Jackson Interview on CNN Larry King asked Janet Jackson all the predictable questions "How's Michael?". When he asked Janet about musical influences she mentioned all the Motown greats, along with Carly Simon and Joni Mitchell. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:52:07 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: MSN question (NJC) my MSN instant messenger has been off for the last 24 hours. do you have the same problem? i can't get access to my hotmail account either. what's going on? armageddon? wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 20:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Our friend in Greenville (NJC) - --- Leslie Mixon wrote: > This just in from CNN: > > President Bush nominated Robert Mueller as the new > director of the FBI. > > I hope you'll still have time for the covers project > :-) > Oh-oh. We're all going to have to be vewwy, vewwy careful what we say around here! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Jul 2001 18:14:05 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Lucinda Williams - njc Listening to 'Essence' for the second time. This is a very pretty record! Lucinda is relatively laid back on this one compared to 'Carwheels'. I liked her rockin' songs on that record but I'm really liking 'Essence' a lot too! Mark in Seattle looking forward to dining with Phyliss & Bob Ward, Catherine & Tom Turley and hopefully, keeping my fingers crossed, Scott Price on Saturday evening. A mini-gathering in Seattle! Woohoo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2001 22:35:49 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: Gay Bashing / Tolerence - LONG (NJC) My friends, The posts on gay bashing and tolerence of gays as struck a deep chord in me, for myriad reasons. At first I thought I wouldn't reply, but I just can't let it go. If you will allow me to ramble just a little... We are all outraged about the violence, in this instance against gays. Time and again we read sad news about the violence committed against all humans, depending upon the politics of various regions of the world. Person to person, we agree, I think, that crimes of hate and greed and poverty are unforgiveable. Ultimately we have to decide, as individuals, how many wrongs make a right or when to take up the banner and fight. I don't march for gay rights. I don't march for black rights. I don't march for children's rights. Do I believe each these people and others have rights to be defended and expanded? You bet I do. I am a little person who doesn't like to yell. I have, however, noticed that actions do speak louder than any political agenda. I think I am much like many other folks out there: I work hard in my world to foster positive attitudes in those I meet and interact with. Especially with the children whose education I am entrusted with. Colin, you wrote: >I think most people DO have a problem with it, even those who say they > >don't. Why? becasue we still do not have equal status with > >heterosexuals. No partnership rights, no protection in law against > >discrimination in work, no gay bashing laws >akin to the race hate laws. If all our supporters truly do not have a >problem >with us, why are we still not treated equally? Why have they not demanded >equal >treatent for us under the law? I understand your angry frustration. Hell, women's rights have supposedly been a fact in this country for 20 years yet women are consistently underpaid for the same jobs men do. I have to outsmart and outperform men (gay or straight) on a daily basis just to get proper equipment for my classroom, adequet funds for what's needed. I confess, I don't know if gays do have legal rights in this country, other than those that conform to discrimination. Either way, enforcement of the law is a shaky thing. But how do you stop the favoritism? Maybe most of us are bewildered by the choices we would have to make; often it comes down to keeping your job. So we choose more subversive methods of defending the rights of our friends and ourselves [Of course, that's what the supremists et al do as well]. Do I like this situation? Heck, no! I would not like to have to choose between defending the rights of my friends or keeping my livelyhood. I can't even honestly answer what I would do if I had to choose. I would like to say that of course I would do the right thing and join them in their crusade. It's troubling no matter how you think of it. Colin, you also wrote: >Could it be that when it comes down to it, they >think other things are more important than our human rights? I don't. But I also believe that yours, gentle friend, aren't the only rights who are being ignored. And: >In other words I >think most talk the talk but few walk the walk. Maybe some of us just walk a quieter walk. Yours in peace, faith, and discussion, Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #281 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?