From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #276 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Sunday, July 1 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 276 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today in Joni History: July 1 [les@jmdl.com] Today's Articles: July 1 [les@jmdl.com] Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC ["Marian" ] Re: LemmonNJC ["Robert Holliston" ] RE: Gay bashing in Boston NJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: LemmonNJC ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC ["Robert Holliston" ] Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Re: Both Sides Now (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] miracles NJC [colin ] Re: Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC [colin ] Re: Gay bashing in Boston NJC [colin ] RE: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] RE: Both Sides Now (md) ["Nikki Johnson" ] RE: jun3 30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc ["Nikki Johnson" ] The John Lennon and Joni Mitchell Airports [Murphycopy@aol.com] Re: The John Lennon and Joni Mitchell Airports [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Woodstock [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Both Sides Now [Leslie Mixon ] Re: LemmonNJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Chet Atckins RIP - SJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Birthday Wishes/Saskatoon Pilgrimage ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Half Moon in the Grand Old Town - Emmylou Harris in Seattle NJC ["Mar] Re: Chet Atckins RIP - SJC [Bobsart48@aol.com] Half Moon in the Grand Old Town - Emmylou Harris in Seattle NJC ["Kate Be] MINGUS....A must own album? [BachelorNumero2@aol.com] Re: Chet Atkins RIP (njc) [Randy Remote ] Re: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) [Randy Remote ] Re: Birthday Wishes/Saskatoon Pilgrimage (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Chicago (njc) ["Sue Cameron" ] What to get a first time listener? ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Both Sides Now (md) [Randy Remote ] Re: What to get a first time listener? [colin ] The Moulin Rouge question (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: Both Sides Now (md) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) [Michael Paz ] Lister hits Home Base in New Orleans (NJC) [Michael Paz Subject: Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC I was very distressed to see on the news a terrible gay bashing incident in Belgrade. There was a small gay pride march yesterday and a group of hooligans split up their march and picked them off one by one, kicking them and throwing rocks at them, while people cheered. This has to be one of the worst things I have ever seen or heard about. I hope that no one died. I wish there was something I could do. Marian Vienna marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 01:45:31 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: LemmonNJC Thanks for mentioning this, Colin. I didn't realize that Joan Sims had died - - she was a great comic actress. She didn't seem to have been as active lately, and I'm sorry to read that she died lonely. I remember her in many British films in which she played a wide variety of parts, but also in the Carry On series, where she was part of a peerless comedy/farce troupe (including Sid James, Hattie Jacques, Charles Hawtrey, and Kenneth Williams). Also, in the same week, we lost not only Jack Lemmon (somehow the world won't seem quite the same without him) and Carroll O'Connor (ditto). Some wise person once said that we all know we're going to die, but we don't believe it. Somehow the passing of icons seems to bring us closer to the turnstile ourselves.... Goodbye, Joan, Jack, and Carroll! And thank you! Roberto >From: colin >Reply-To: colin >To: joni >Subject: LemmonNJC > >I thought i would see a number of posts about the passing of Jack >Lemmon. A fine actor who also seemd like a fine person. >The same day one of our well known actors, Joan Sims died. Sadly she >died lonley and with very little materially. She was a good actor who >unfortunately got typecast after appearing in several Carry On films and >therfore did not get much work in her later years. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:32:12 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Gay bashing in Boston NJC dear marian, you HAVE done something. you have let our international community know how you feel about this horrendous incident and that is a lot. i am pasting below a message i received from a dear friend of mine in boston: ''''This morning a gay friend of mine came up to me at the gym and told me that he and his lover had been attacked by a group of 3 after leaving a bar at 2am. As they headed towards their car, they decided to hold hands. At that point they were assaulted (kicked, beaten and thrown to the ground). It happened at 2am in downtown Boston with the sidewalks flooded with people and the streets filled with cars bumper to bumper. It happened fast before either of them could respond. It happened because they were gay. It happened because they were holding hands. We know about Matthew Shepard. We know about James Byrd, Jr. . We know about hate crimes. But did you know it was possible for a gay couple to be assaulted in the crowded streets of Boston on a Saturday evening? I did not. I am shocked. I am disgusted. And I hurt, because two friends of mine are bloody, bruised and banged up because on a Saturday evening while walking to their car they decided to hold hands. I'm still processing this and Im sure my friends will be processing this for a long time to come. If you are gay,lesbian,bisexual or transgendered BE CAREFUL. BE PREPARED. If you are straight please take a moment and think about my friends the next time you hold hands with a significant other.'''' dear marian, thank you for your feelings!!!!! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Marian Enviado el: Domingo, 01 de Julio de 2001 05:32 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC I was very distressed to see on the news a terrible gay bashing incident in Belgrade. There was a small gay pride march yesterday and a group of hooligans split up their march and picked them off one by one, kicking them and throwing rocks at them, while people cheered. This has to be one of the worst things I have ever seen or heard about. I hope that no one died. I wish there was something I could do. Marian Vienna marian@jmdl.com http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 06:38:47 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: LemmonNJC i loved carroll o'connor. his horrible and funny archie bunker made me laugh a lot when i was younger. i loved edith too!!!!!! wasllyK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 02:58:47 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: Re: Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC Dear Marian, I also hope that no one died or was seriously hurt. Incidents like this hurt everybody, but mostly the poor people who are at the receiving end of the violence. The fact is that there is nothing you can do aside from what you've already done: protest, and raise your children not to hate. The former is great (but also frustrating because so often it's ineffectual); the latter is imperative (but also perilous, because parents seem to have less and less influence over their kids these days). The JMDL is tolerant and even accepting. The world out there isn't. Gay-bashing will always be part of our society. People like Jesse Helms will make sure it is, and legislated, too! And people even less respectable than Jesse Helms - the ones who are willing to bomb houses and kill the children of supporters of minorities such as African-Americans Indians and Aboriginal Canadians and Jews and women and gays and communists and God only knows who else. The Matthew Shepard case seemed to have made some headway, as the assailants were actually given serious sentences despite homophobic defences. But the Teresa Saldana and Rebecca Schaffer cases actually resulted in changes to the stalking laws (good!) Many states still regard petitions for legislation against sexual orientation hate crimes as a plea for "special rights" for gays. Marian, I hope nobody got killed. Not only because I hate to see anyone die violently (it is always a waste), but because when a gay person dies violently, few politicians in the world give a shit. Roberto, and cynically > >I was very distressed to see on the news a terrible gay bashing incident in >Belgrade. There was a small gay pride march yesterday and a group of >hooligans split up their march and picked them off one by one, kicking them >and throwing rocks at them, while people cheered. This has to be one of >the >worst things I have ever seen or heard about. I hope that no one died. I >wish there was something I could do. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:41:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Chet Atkins RIP (njc) Chet was definitely one-of-a-kind...I never saw him live, but I'd seen him play on a TV show and his guitar seemed like an extension of his body. Also, he seemed to be so joyful when he played, and that joy came out in his music. His cover of BSN is back on Volume 5 or 6... Bob NP: The Beatles, "It's Only Love" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 07:58:28 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock << Still, I wouldn't have thought Joni would pick Woodstock as her signature song. I would expect maybe Hejira, or Refuge of the Roads, or DJRD, or... to get away from a song about herself, Judgment of the Moon and Stars, which I hear as a call to all of us to do our best. >> I'm not sure that I would call "Woodstock" her signature song, but it's certainly one of them...BSN would have to be a candidate as well, after all she re-recorded it, named her latest record & tour after it, and basically all the songs on BSN lead up to her reinterpretation of it. While I think that Hejira is the best song ever written, the sad truth is that not many John Q. Publics are even familiar with it. BUT it does have a lot of significance for *her* as she has continued to perform it on every tour since she wrote it. Getting back to BSN...Leslie asks in a subsequent post about what draws so many to record it. And coincidentally, I'm listening to a similar song, The Beatles' "Yesterday"...the popularity of these songs are many-fold: - - It's simply a good song, a memorable melodic line, and an understandable yet far fram banal lyric; - - Back in the late 60's, as music was going through so many changes, a lot of performers wanted to align themselves with the younger generation, so they recorded a lot of these songs; BSN, Yesterday, Something, etc. - -By now these songs have become standards, passed on from generation to generation. BSN is still being recorded today (thankfully not at the same pace it was 30 years ago), and mostly reinterpreted as jazz (John Hart Trio, Ken Watters), or a straight-up rock and roll song (Parasites, Jason Falkner). - -Plus, Judy Collins had a MONSTER hit with it...I would imagine that a lot of folks are $imply trying to ride the coattail$ of that! ;~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 10:07:15 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Chet Atckins RIP - SJC { Atkins recorded more than 75 albums of guitar instrumentals and sold more than 75 million albums. He played on hundreds of hit records, including those of Elvis Presley (``Heartbreak Hotel''), Hank Williams Sr. ("Your Cheatin' Heart,'' ``Jambalaya'') and The Everly Brothers ("Wake Up Little Susie'')......................``I realized that what I liked, the public would like, too,'' Atkins said in a 1996 interview with The Associated Press. '``Cause I'm kind of square.''`} Now there is a person who (I suspect Joni would agree) 'undisputably' deserves to be on the VH1 list of top 20 Guitarists in 'Rock and Roll'. If he were a character in her myth, he might be called HIKUOCAWG. As for his closing self- assessment, I would reply "Baby, I don't care". ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 09:44:38 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Birthday Wishes/Saskatoon Pilgrimage HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JIMMY!!!!!!!!! (Can't wait to meet you! Hope your butt lives up to it's reputation :>) AND HAPPY ANNIVERSARY to the wonderful JMDL'ers who ventured to Saskatoon one year ago! It was a weekend I will never forget!!!!! Kerry ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 10:31:07 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) This was posted on the Lee Shore List and I thought I would pass it along for our Illinois based crowd. I would love to see the Beatles tribute. Later Paz NP-Morrison-CPR Just thought I'd post a heads-up here for those of you fortunate enough to be hearing CPR in Itasca, Illinois on July 4th. Some of you might be interested in hanging around an extra day. Playing at the Taste of Chicago festival on July 5th at 5:00 is Todd Rundgren with Ann Wilson, John Entwistle and Alan Parsons in "A Walk Down Abbey Road: A Tribute to the Beatles." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 12:12:38 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides Now (md) This is a very interesting thread. Why, out of all her songs including songs in about every imaginable genre, including the genre of all these different players, do they pick Both Sides Now. This gets to the core of what any song really is. A musical transmission of ideas concepts images and feelings. Now its interesting how all these people who may be only into one form or style all gravitate to this one song would have to mean that there is something in the structure of those three chords that hits smack dab into the mainstream of THEIR music. Emphasis on the word, their. The musical structure embedded in their musical minds contains something that finds attraction in those three simple little major chords. The inverse question being why the others do in a lesser way. If Hejira is such an incredible song to most listeners why arent all these other musicians of all these other styles doing Hejira. Why does or better yet how does this happen. Marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:20:56 +0100 From: colin Subject: miracles NJC we got a dreadful shock today. on the way to a dog show with Mitchell(he got 2nd) we ran into a Springer Spaniel at 40 miles per hour. He smashed one of the headlights. it is true what they say-it all happened in slow motion. He somersaulted sevral times thru the air and landed on the road-he then got up, shook himself and ran to his house!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I followed, cursed out his owner, then apologised, and told her to take him to the vet. We went on our way to the show and checked in on the dog on the way home. The vet said he was fine and only lost a nail from his paw!!!!! Thank God I didn't swerve as there was a 4x4 coming the other way. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:27:07 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC > petitions for legislation > against sexual orientation hate crimes as a plea for "special rights" for > gays. > Marian, I hope nobody got killed. Not only because I hate to see anyone die > violently (it is always a waste), but because when a gay person dies > violently, few politicians in the world give a shit. I agreew ith what you and Marian have written. There was a HUGE Gay Mardi Gras in London yesterday and it wasn't even on the news!!!! On question time the other night they had as one of the politicla pseakers, a rev form the Evangelcal Alliance. when he was quesytioned on his hypocrisy(he has spoken against racism ect) he satated that his bigotry was allowed because it was sanctioned by his beliefs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! will these people never learn or get honest with themsleves? the only way they can accept some so called religious teaching is because they, personally, are bigoted in the first place! If they were not, their conscience would not allow them to accept such evil. > > > Roberto, and cynically > > > > >I was very distressed to see on the news a terrible gay bashing incident in > >Belgrade. There was a small gay pride march yesterday and a group of > >hooligans split up their march and picked them off one by one, kicking them > >and throwing rocks at them, while people cheered. This has to be one of > >the > >worst things I have ever seen or heard about. I hope that no one died. I > >wish there was something I could do. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 17:29:15 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: Gay bashing in Boston NJC > If you are straight please take a moment and think > about my friends the next time you hold hands with a significant other.'''' the sad fact is the mojoirty don not give a toss about gays. If they did, the laws would be different and our living in their society would be hassle free. > > > dear marian, thank you for your feelings!!!!! > wallyK > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Marian > Enviado el: Domingo, 01 de Julio de 2001 05:32 a.m. > Para: joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Gay bashing in Belgrade NJC > > I was very distressed to see on the news a terrible gay bashing incident in > Belgrade. There was a small gay pride march yesterday and a group of > hooligans split up their march and picked them off one by one, kicking them > and throwing rocks at them, while people cheered. This has to be one of the > worst things I have ever seen or heard about. I hope that no one died. I > wish there was something I could do. > > Marian > Vienna > marian@jmdl.com > http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/guitar.htm - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra-apso.com http://www.tantra-apso.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:02:55 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) ARG! I wanted to go to this but I will be away when the show is anywhere near me! I wanted to see Ann Wilson and thought the Beatles tribute would be really cool. Oh well. If someone gets to see it please report! Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Michael Paz > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 1:31 PM > To: Joni Digest > Subject: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) > > > This was posted on the Lee Shore List and I thought I would pass it along > for our Illinois based crowd. I would love to see the Beatles tribute. > > Later > > Paz > > NP-Morrison-CPR > > Just thought I'd post a heads-up here for those of you fortunate enough to > be > hearing CPR in Itasca, Illinois on July 4th. Some of you might be > interested > in hanging around an extra day. > > Playing at the Taste of Chicago festival on July 5th at 5:00 is Todd > Rundgren > with Ann Wilson, John Entwistle and Alan Parsons in "A Walk Down > Abbey Road: > A Tribute to the Beatles." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:02:52 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Both Sides Now (md) I agree Marcel that there had to be something about the structure, chords, sound and feel of the song that attracts them. However, I think that another part of the attraction is the success of the song. I think that is part of the reason BSN is covered more than songs like Hijera. The audience is much more likely to recognize BSN and relate to that than a song they've never heard of. "Nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd" (Soul Asylum) Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > MDESTE1@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 12:13 PM > To: lcmixon@pacbell.net; joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Both Sides Now (md) > > > This is a very interesting thread. Why, out of all her songs > including songs > in about every imaginable genre, including the genre of all these > different > players, do they pick Both Sides Now. > > This gets to the core of what any song really is. A musical > transmission of > ideas concepts images and feelings. Now its interesting how all > these people > who may be only into one form or style all gravitate to this one > song would > have to mean that there is something in the structure of those > three chords > that hits smack dab into the mainstream of THEIR music. Emphasis > on the word, > their. The musical structure embedded in their musical minds contains > something that finds attraction in those three simple little > major chords. > The inverse question being why the others do in a lesser way. If > Hejira is > such an incredible song to most listeners why arent all these > other musicians > of all these other styles doing Hejira. Why does or better yet > how does this > happen. > > Marcel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:13:00 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: jun3 30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc Happy birthday Jimmy!!!!!!! I hope you had a great celebration and much fun! Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally > Kairuz > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 7:36 PM > To: FMYFL@aol.com; jmdl > Subject: jun3 30!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc > > > HAVE YOU EVER SEEN > > a more expressive MUSTACHE? > > have you ever heard a sweeter LAUGHTER? > > HAVE YOU EVER SEE A MORE IMPRESSIVE BUTT, FOR GOD'S SAKE? > > > the whole south is partying wildly tonight > > and the BIRTHDAY FAIRY > > [a southern belle too] > > > announces > > > IT > > IS > > JIMMY STEWART'S BIRTHDAY > > > H A P P Y B I R > T H D A Y > > > > JIMMY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > jimmy Stewart, one of the FOUR handsomest men in the world. > > > the SPLENDID BF DECLARES: > > MR. JAMES must have been a figure skater, otherwise, how do you > account for > that yummy behind, baby? > > and now , in its sweeping ballroom gown, the BF says: > > get me drunk, you naughty lover! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:11:20 EDT From: Murphycopy@aol.com Subject: The John Lennon and Joni Mitchell Airports I read online yesterday that the city of Liverpool is planning to rename its airport "The Liverpool John Lennon Airport." Overall, I am okay with this homage to Lennon because I can understand, on one hand, how any city would want to rename municipal places for its most talented and influential citizens. But then, on the other, more skeptical hand, I know that economically, the Liverpool area has benefited a lot lately from Beatles-related tourism. (To the tune of about 20 million pounds annually, according to the online article.) In any case, the idea of "The Liverpool John Lennon Airport" seems entirely appropriate to me, even though I suspect that financial gain may have been a motivating factor in the name change. What really gets me is the airport's choice for a new tag line -- "Above us only skies." As an advertising copywriter, I have to admit that this would be a terrific tag line for any airport. "Above us only skies." It does everything a tag line should do -- it is succinct, it has shades of different positive meanings, it positions the client well, and it's "catchy." But what really makes me heave is the fact that this line has been basically stolen from one of the greatest songs recorded in the last 50 years. What's more, this line was never supposed to be about any airport, even one with Lennon's name suddenly slapped on it. And it's from a song that is arguably his signature piece. Now we can expect to see "Above us only skies" featured in Liverpool Airport advertising, on tote bags, trash cans and billboards all over the place, which I'm absolutely sure is not what John had in mind when he wrote it. (For what it's worth, the airport project has Yoko's support, and she is planning to attend the dedication ceremony.) So anyway, I naturally got to thinking about how Joni deserves to have an airport named after her, too. (Hint, hint, LA and Saskatoon.) Then I tried to come up with a line from Joni's repertoire that would make a good tag line for her airport. You know, something that wouldn't embarrass or outrage us too much, yet would still be a good -- even if stolen -- tag line. Here's what I came up with: Joni Mitchell Airport -- "The lights down here, that's where we land." Have a great Fourth of July, US JMDLers. And to everyone else in the world, have a wonderful week. --Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:38:02 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The John Lennon and Joni Mitchell Airports << Joni Mitchell Airport -- "The lights down here, that's where we land." >> Or, given the discussion about BSN: "Look at Clouds from Both Sides Now" Bob NP: Ani, "Come Away From It" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:40:04 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock << BUT it does have a lot of significance for *her* as she has continued to perform it on every tour since she wrote it. >> I correct myself...she did NOT perform it on the '83 WTRF tour...though she did adapt a couple of Hejira songs to that band. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:08:40 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Both Sides Now Marcel wrote: "...three simple little major chords..." This reminds me of the time Steve and I met Randy Sparks, founder of The New Christy Minstrels. Randy was telling of the time he visited Burl Ives on his ranch (I think in Santa Barbara). Randy was gazing out at the pastoral view and Burl said, "...three chords..." Randy said, "What?" Burl replied, "I got all this by playing three chords..." Some additional thoughts this morning of the success of BSN. The song is flexible and open to interpretation - even Joni has recorded three different arrangements of BSN. It speaks to Joni's genius that she can create art easily accessible and appealing to the masses. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:06:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: LemmonNJC > i loved carroll o'connor. his horrible and funny archie bunker made me laugh > a lot when i was younger. i loved edith too!!!!!! > wasllyK > Carroll O'Connor & Jean Stapleton created one of the most memorable couples in the history of TV. I've watched re-runs of 'All in the Family' recently and marveled at the skill of these two remarkable actors as they seemed to disappear into their characters. They played off one another so beautifully. Archie & Edith Bunker started out as cartoonish, exaggerated characters but as the series progressed and the actors became more ensconced in their roles, the characters became more & more human. They taught us a lot about ourselves and the world around us. It's a pity that recent posts about gay bashing seem to show that many have not learned the lessons that Archie & Edith showed us. I myself got bonked on the head once and may have had worse happen to me if I hadn't managed to get up off the ground & run away. As it was, I had stitches in my head & felt kind of out of it for a day or so. Anyway, I too have a special place in my heart for Carroll O'Connor. I will miss him. Jack Lemmon. What can you say about Jack Lemmon? He was the consummate clown and a consummate actor. He could make us split our sides laughing or bring tears to our eyes. Who can forget Daphne in 'Some Like It Hot' or Felix Unger in 'The Odd Couple' or his powerful portrayal of the alcoholic in 'The Days of Wine & Roses'? I always think of Jack Lemmon in relation to Walter Matthau and now they're both gone. Both of them were favorites of mine for the greater part of my 47 years. For me these weren't 'stars of yesteryear', these were movie icons of my time. Now even 80s music is nostalgia. And the earth keeps spinning and the sky forever rushing..... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:12:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Chet Atckins RIP - SJC If he > were a character in her myth, he might be called HIKUOCAWG. He is King Undisputed of Country and Western Guitar? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:16:48 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Birthday Wishes/Saskatoon Pilgrimage > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JIMMY!!!!!!!!! (Can't wait to meet you! Hope your butt > lives up to it's reputation :>) > > AND > > HAPPY ANNIVERSARY to the wonderful JMDL'ers who ventured to Saskatoon one > year ago! > It was a weekend I will never forget!!!!! > > Kerry Happy Birthday, Jimmy! I hope one day to actually see this fabulous butt in person! In my younger days I used to get comments about mine, but alas, my waistline has 'overshadowed' it, so to speak...ahem....ok that's more info than I really should be sharing here... Hope you had a Great One, stud! And congratulations on winning the battle against gravity! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 11:26:28 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Both Sides Now I asked Steve his opinion on why so many artists chose to record BSN, to paraphrase: Steve feels that recording BSN indicates a level of maturity not easily found in the music business where so many dippy songs top the charts. BSN looks beyond the "...baby I love you concept..." and beyond the idea of romantic love itself, it offers a perspective on life." The success of the song suggests that the statement comes easily to people and it seems to come from their inner being. So, in my own words, "Both Sides Now" is a hat that looks good on almost anyone's head. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 11:46:47 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Half Moon in the Grand Old Town - Emmylou Harris in Seattle NJC A while ago I heard Michelangelo on a > compilation cd and was instantly captured, not only by the song's lyrics, > but by the sound of her voice too. 'For the warrior slain in battle From an arrow driven deep inside you long ago' As I said, this song touches things that are very close to my heart. It moves me very deeply. I hope she writes more. I love the songs on 'Red Dirt Girl'. It now has an emotional warmth that I > love, and the scratchiness and breathiness make her seem very real. > There's a genuineness to her singing that I didn't hear before. Red Dirt > Girl is the first Emmylou cd I've bought, and it's great! Wrecking Ball > next I think. By all means, get 'Wrecking Ball'. It's a truly fine record. I was an admirer of Emmylou for years but I too didn't really connect with her deeply until 'Wrecking Ball'. I think Lanois tapped into her creative juices in a way that no-one else ever has save maybe Gram Parsons. While I was trying to find the name of the bass player on this tour I came across an article where she said that with 'Red Dirt Girl' she wanted to build on the foundation that Lanois had made for her but she didn't wanted it to be 'Son of Wrecking Ball'. I think she succeeded beautifully. The production still has that feeling to it but it isn't a clone of the previous record. And the songs she wrote are gorgeous! I'm definitely a complete convert now! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 15:56:00 EDT From: Bobsart48@aol.com Subject: Re: Chet Atckins RIP - SJC "He is King Undisputed of Country and Western Guitar?" Yep. Although assigning a single genre and implying his excellence might be limited thereto is perhaps unfair to both him and the genre. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 13:04:59 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Half Moon in the Grand Old Town - Emmylou Harris in Seattle NJC Mark thanks for your great review of Emmylou's concert. I just found out she is doing an unpublicized concert just down the road from my house but its been sold out for months. My heart is breaking cuz I can't go...but your review helps ease the pain cuz I almost felt as if I was there with you...Emmylou & Joni have been my longtime biggest influences... So sad to hear about Chet...may he rest in peace... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 16:59:54 EDT From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com Subject: MINGUS....A must own album? hi folks, I'd like to have to hear some commentary on MINGUS......which seems to me to be her most eccentric and maybe least understood album. Now I, being a newly found Joni fanatic, was slightly apphrensive when plunking down my $12 due to the varying opinions on the album by both critics and fans.........BUT, I really like the album......It fits nicely with the Hissing, Daughter set (which is my fav Joni period)........And I find it relatively accessible, which I thought would be quite the opposite. And the funniest thing is, is that the two Joni originals, (The Wolf that Lives in Lindsey, God Must Be a Boogie Man) are IMHO, the best songs on the album. They are definitely Joni must own songs....... I really think the album is a high achievement for Joni.........so i disagree with critics who feel her creative peak was reached with HEJIRA. I think Joni's creative streak hits its peak with the MINGUS/SHADOWS AND LIGHT period. And it's funny that people found her post COURT AND SPARK work to be increasingly less melodic, when I think DJRD and MINGUS are quite melodic.....now, HEJIRA and SUMMER LAWNS are harder to jump right into, that's for sure. So.....what's the concensus on MINGUS? Thumbs up, or thumbs down? PHIL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 16:20:37 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Chet Atkins RIP (njc) One of the greatest guitar records ever is the one Chet did with Les Paul-"Chester & Lester" (available as a CD 'twofer'). These two old cats shredding jazz standards like it was nuthin'. Chet also produced Homer and Jethro's albums, and about a million other things in Nashville. And didn't he have a guitar shaped swimming pool? Truly one of the masters of the guitar, and they say, a real nice guy. RR Kakki wrote: > Another legendary great passes. I loved how his distinctive style could > mesh beautifully with so many other artists and had recently been enjoying > the album he did with Mark Knopfler. Kakki > > NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Chet Atkins, whose guitar style influenced a > generation of rock musicians even as he helped develop an easygoing country > style to compete with it, died Saturday. He was 77. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 16:23:43 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) This package is touring the US iinm. Michael Paz wrote: > Playing at the Taste of Chicago festival on July 5th at 5:00 is Todd > Rundgren > with Ann Wilson, John Entwistle and Alan Parsons in "A Walk Down Abbey Road: > A Tribute to the Beatles." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:23:38 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Birthday Wishes/Saskatoon Pilgrimage (NJC) In a message dated 7/1/01 10:52:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: > HAPPY BIRTHDAY, JIMMY!!!!!!!!! (Can't wait to meet you! Hope your butt > lives up to it's reputation :>) > > AND > > HAPPY ANNIVERSARY to the wonderful JMDL'ers who ventured to Saskatoon one > year ago! > It was a weekend I will never forget!!!!! > > Thanks Kerry and everyone else for the very special birthday wishes! It has been a truly wonderful weekend, and I am so grateful for having so many wonderful friends in the JMDL community. Saskatoon was a weekend that I'll never forget either (and I wasn't even there). My best friend and JMDLer who just lurks on the list (David Mingus- photographer extraodinare) brought me the best birthday present from Saskatoon last year. He got Joni to sign a copy of her book "Voices : The Work of Joni Mitchell". It's a gift that I will always treasure. Love and Peace to All Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:37:30 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Chicago (njc) Hello listers! Wanted to tell everyone what a great time I had in Chicago meeting up with Diane and Jody. We had a superb dinner at this Italian joint where the "head waiter" was miffed at us as we kept seats open just in case other listers made it at the last minute. Diane brought her wonderful Hejira drawing and I got an extra one for the raffle! Am planning on having mine nicely framed it is that beautiful of a drawing. Had an excellent time talking with Diane as we are in the same business, education. She is my hero, though, as she works with middle schoolers. I would NEVER do that! Jody was the queen of hospitality and had everything planned for us so all Nate and I had to do was enjoy. That was such a nice feeling, not having to worry about any of the arrangements! She was lots of fun, even though she appologized for being tired. Heck, I'll take a tired Jody over no Jody any day! Can't wait to catch up with her again in Topsfield after she has had some rest. Didn't get the chance to do any playing or singing as I had no guitar. We were able to do lots of sharing which is something that never seems to be a problem with the folks here. Witty conversation and no uncomfortable periods of silence. Hope to get back to the lovely city of Chicago soon and if not there then will try to make it to Mary's gathering in October. Thanks again ladies for the lovely evening! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:38:51 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: What to get a first time listener? Listers, I had the opportunity this school year to befriend a twenty three year old who was hired on as my junior varsity volleyball coach. Throughout the season and afterwards while she was substitute teaching we have gotten very close. In August she is moving to Houston to finish up her masters degree. As a going away present I wanted to buy her some Joni. She has quite an eclectic taste in music but owns no Joni. Is that some sort of a crime or what? Anyway, I am going to get her four or five CDs, problem is, I know what I like, but is it what would be best for a first time listener? Have my mind set on Blue and Hits for certain, but would love some suggestions about the other two or three CDs. I would like to try and touch on all of Joni's phases, but that might be too difficult with only five CDs. So, maybe some of the younger folks here could suggest their thoughts on what is Joni's most accessable work. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Sue Cameron ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 16:34:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Both Sides Now (md) I think it's just that it's a perfect song. It's got these perfectly balanced 3 verses, a huge repeatable chorus (I've looked at life...) with a new twist each time, it's philisophical, has a great melody, wonderful, colorful lyrics that progress yet tie to each other, a tinge of that folk sadness,....it's all there. Joni probably could have gone on creating more perfect songs like this...but you know her: 'been there, done that'. As for this being a three chord song- I guess you can do it that way- but really it has these little minor chords thrown in, and the changes are sometimes off the beat. RR MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > This is a very interesting thread. Why, out of all her songs including songs > in about every imaginable genre, including the genre of all these different > players, do they pick Both Sides Now. > > This gets to the core of what any song really is. A musical transmission of > ideas concepts images and feelings. Now its interesting how all these people > who may be only into one form or style all gravitate to this one song would > have to mean that there is something in the structure of those three chords > that hits smack dab into the mainstream of THEIR music. Emphasis on the word, > their. The musical structure embedded in their musical minds contains > something that finds attraction in those three simple little major chords. > The inverse question being why the others do in a lesser way. If Hejira is > such an incredible song to most listeners why arent all these other musicians > of all these other styles doing Hejira. Why does or better yet how does this > happen. > > Marcel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 02 Jul 2001 00:46:12 +0100 From: colin Subject: Re: What to get a first time listener? I'd definately get TI and NRH or failing that......anything by Carly! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 23:44:09 -0000 From: "c Karma" Subject: The Moulin Rouge question (NJC) Why didn't they use "Both Sides Now" in Moulin Rouge? Several opportunities missed. For shame. That said, all MUST SEE. I haven't been so transported by a movie musical since Mary F**kin' Poppins. CC "It just don't do it like the song of a warm, warm body loving your touch." - -- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 19:58:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Sides Now (md) << As for this being a three chord song- I guess you can do it that way- but really it has these little minor chords thrown in, and the changes are sometimes off the beat. >> The one thing I've noticed about ALL of these BSN's is that there are little things that distinguish almost all of them. Little interesting arrangements, or instruments. I guess I'm the only one that was so moved by Orlando's 7-minute harp and vocal version. Lydia van Dam makes it her own as well, too...truly an amazing thing to do with BSN! And the WORST by far, even worser than Jim Nabors (Jimmy the birthday boy, you're off the hook!), is this awful version by Kathryn Grayson. OMG, it's SO bad it'll make you laugh out loud! She too botches the opening lyric by saying, "furls and curls of angel hair"...at least that's what I think she's saying, she sounds like she's got a mouthful of angel hair! Several versions begin with some variation on "swirls & curls of angel hair"...wonder where THAT came from, if at some point that lyric was published? A question for the ages I suppose, and another one that nobody but me gives a hoot about! ;~) Bob NP: T. Waits, "Spare Parts 1" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:08:05 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Re: Heads Up Chicago!!! (NJC) Won't you please come to New Orleans just to play! Michael on 7/1/01 4:23 PM, Randy Remote at guitarzan@saber.net wrote: > This package is touring the US iinm. > > Michael Paz wrote: > >> Playing at the Taste of Chicago festival on July 5th at 5:00 is Todd >> Rundgren >> with Ann Wilson, John Entwistle and Alan Parsons in "A Walk Down Abbey Road: >> A Tribute to the Beatles." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2001 19:18:36 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Lister hits Home Base in New Orleans (NJC) I was in the breakfast nook of my home strumming my Gibson J-45 (given to me by dear old mom and dad) and playing Sugar Mountain and in walks singer/songwriter extradinaire Jack Neilson. He scared the shit out of me, but i was so happy to see him as we are finally gonna record his album here at Cypress Recording Studio. It is so strange that I picked this guitar off the wall, cause it is the one that I got one I first met Jack 30 years ago when we were in prison together at St. Paul's High School. I can't wait to start the recording process with him. He told me that he wrote some new stuff on the way down in his souped up car with the 4-40 Air Conditioner built in (4 windows open at 40 MPH it's pretty cool).LoL. I spent from 10am this morning till now (90%) of the time playing music and working on my sets for Topsfield JoniFest. What a wonderful day! Have you signed up for Topsfield Jonifest 2001????? No??? Get yo bony ass off the fence and lets party at Ashara's again this year. I CAN'T WAIT!!!. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. I am gonna be unreal busy with BET Network for the next month doing 76 shows for their Comic View series. I will be working 7 days a week for the next 4 weeks, so I will surface when i can and see what you are up to. If I miss anyones birthday HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and take care all. Love Paz NP-Bartender-DMB (Lillywhite Sessions) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2001 20:31:24 EDT From: Ricw1217@aol.com Subject: bringing in the sheaves... greetings listers! long time no type. i trust this finds all of you well... i have a little project that i would welcome your input in order to successfully complete. i have a friend, named jay. he is one of the smartest people i know. a professor emeritus at MIT (of linguistics) - a brilliant lecturer, journalist, author, extraordinary conversationalist, art collector, poet, and dixieland jazz musician. (clarinet). i saw jay not too long ago at a party and he mentioned to me that he had heard joni had recorded with charles mingus, a fact that both intrigued and impressed him. we talked about it a bit, and he said he would have to check her out someday. well, of course, express interest in joni mitchell to a JMDL member at your peril! so i made him a tape. because i knew jay loved jazz, i stuck mostly to her jazzier numbers, and arranged them all in order of release, so he could get an appreciation of how she developed as an artist. but i did include one cut from her early days, just so he could have an idea of how utter her transformation had been. i chose "the last time i saw richard" because of its rather complex melodic line, and because, with its compacted lyrics and its piano (and that voice!) i thought it was a good representative cut of her roots. jay loved the tape, was knocked out by joni's musical sophistication, and, oddly, was MOST impressed by the one cut from blue! he couldn't quite believe that the woman who wrote moon at the window, and impossible dreamer, and ray's dad's cadillac was the same woman singing TLTISR. so, having hooked a big fish, now i need to reel him in. i am going to make jay a new tape, most likely two of them, consisting of 40 or so cuts. i want it to include two cuts from each of her cd's, from STAS all the way to BSN. three would be even better, i know, i know, but a gift of 3 tapes, on top of the one i already gave him, would probably scare him off. so that is where you all come in. i need you guys to give me your suggestions for the two cuts from each cd that you think would best represent that particular phase of her career. i have been trying and trying, and it is just impossible! like for the roses, for example...look at the selection! the soulful, tender woman of heart and mind? the title cut? what about cold blue steel and sweet fire? how could you possibly not include that? or the majestic judgement of the moon and stars? and, since FTR is one of the peaks in her confessional stage, how could we omit the brilliant flow of lesson in survival into let the wind carry me? or consider court and spark...what about that pop masterpiece, free man in paris? or the (i think) musical mastery demonstrated in the transition from people's parties into the same situation? its very hard!!! and i don't know about you, but down to you and car on a hill and just like this train...well, you see what i mean. i know these lists come and go. but it IS kind of an interesting challenge, paticularly for those of us who have chosen to so immerse ourselves in her work for so long. if you feel inclined, i would welcome your input. the challenge, i think, is to avoid a knee-jerk selection our personal favorites, but to really think about it what each album is about, and chose the two cuts that best call to mind its particular themes, lyrically and musically. so, if you want to help, please limit it to just two per album. (cheating by exceeding the 2PER limit, tho perfectly understandable, will NOT be helpful!) of course, i'd be interested in hearing your thoughts behind your choices, but that is entirely optional... thanks! be well... peace! ric ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #276 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?