From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #269 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Monday, June 25 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 269 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Today's Articles: June 24 [les@jmdl.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #268 - BSN Comment [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #267 - A Case of Joni & Bob [BRYAN8847@aol.com] Consumers and Creators. [Richard Rice ] Gosh darn it. [Richard Rice ] Sib in London today/Judee Sill (NJC) ["Paul Castle" ] Laura Nyro? [UGAstudent22@aol.com] Re: Laura Nyro? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: DJRD - why cut Jericho ? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: DJRD - why cut Jericho ? [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Gosh darn it. [mags ] Album of the year so far (NJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Foni Mitchell / Vikki Clayton - STOP PRESS!!! [AzeemAK@aol.com] why Joni does [Kate ] guitars slightly out of tune sjc ["Kate Bennett" ] Subject: Re: YAY Vienna Tab Woman!!!!!! NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: Laura Nyro? njc [Randy Remote ] RE: Laura Nyro? njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Rufus article in NYTimes NJC [dsk ] Re: Album of the year so far (NJC) [dsk ] Re: Consumers and Creators. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Rap uhhhh... stinks. NJC ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] gallery cc: ["P. Henry Boland" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 04:08:17 -0400 From: les@jmdl.com Subject: Today's Articles: June 24 On June 24 this article about Joni was published: 1998: "Back to the Garden" - Addicted To Noise website (News Item) http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/980624atn.cfm - ------------------------ The JMDL Article Database has 605 titles. http://www.jmdl.com/articles Contributions always welcome! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 04:42:52 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #268 - BSN Comment Someone said Joni was not responsible for the orchestration on BSN and therefore doesn't get credit for it. But let's talk about inspiration and who gets credit for that. If Mendoza and Klein had been conducting, arranging and producing for Britney or Whitney, would they have been inspired to co-create the stunning work that BSN is? I don't think so. We all have our favorites and BSN is one of mine. I too might have preferred these songs without the full orchestra and I realize our heroine's voice is smoke-damaged. But even with these complaints, this is a stupendous collection of songs, with beautiful and memorable interpretations. For me, it's a desert island disc. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 04:45:51 EDT From: BRYAN8847@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #267 - A Case of Joni & Bob Steely Dan doing Carey? Hmmmm. I'm still hoping Dylan will join in (you know he wants to), doing Sire of Sorrow or Sex Kills. Bryan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 03:34:13 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Consumers and Creators. "there's something lost, and something gained in living every day." Age, smoking, poor health and much more smoking have taken a toll on her voice. The clear highs are lost. She's prone to loosing her voice more now. And yet, She's gained much in her ability to interpret a song with heart and feeling. Her pitch has greatly improved over the years. Anyone fortunate enough to actually hear her in person can't help but admire the quality of her singing voice. It's not the greatest in the universe. But she never claimed to be that. And the legion of singers who 'sing' better can't hold a candle to the breath of creativity she has exhibited, then or now. And to all those so focused, including reviewers, on what she's lost, I pray you're not doing the same with your receeding hair lines, widening waist lines, or accumulating crows feet. My god, people grow old. No one is what they were in their youth. Get over it. Move through your life with grace and accept the things you cannot change. Not that growing old means surrendering. -And Joni's hardly done that. In fact, she has remained as true to her muse today as any time in her life. To her credit, her music and art have always been honest, frank and vigorous examinations of her life and her desire to know. She is not making products for consumers. She is making artifacts, -an honest examination, questioning, answering, and hopefully beautiful form- to share with the world as a gift. In this regard, the old girl hasn't lost a step. I'd give my left '...' to say I'd created the cover of TI, written Love Puts on a New Face, Man from Mars or Passion Play. You can measure her success from the point of view of a consumer... who creates nothing, can second guess everything with perfect hindsight, or lay any set of standards to what is created. That's fair game. As a consumer, we are not so conscerned with how the artist or creator felt when they made an artifact. All we really care about is how 'we' feel, or better, how they made us feel. That's fair game too. But how we feel often demands a connection, a universality so to speak. We all share in Joni's tribulations sung in Blue. Fewer of us connect to the urge to throw a drink in the face of a record executive. Perhaps fewer and fewer of her new pieces speak to the life experiences of a mass audience. I do believe that to be true. But it's not a fault of Joni or a sign of diminishing talent, or quality of her work: She was once a child, became a un-ruly teenager, lived her young adult hood growing wise from hard knocks and making precocious art, found success, artists and forms that thrilled her, followed her muse, became middle age and is growing into an elderly grandmother. -Now do you really expect the artifacts of her life experiencing, questioning are meant to be mass audience wide during the whole of this journey? If you've done any creating in your life, other than consuming... When she made Blue, Joni lived that album and released it's demons by making artifacts of the experience. It was not something to mine, like gold, stamping out one pressing like it after another. Her life isn't Ground Hog Day. It took me a while to appreciate it, but I've always loved the winding journey and the puzzling turns her music has taken. She has never taken a turn that wasn't a surprise. Ok, from a musical standpoint, BSN was not cutting edge. But it was a twist of fate, change coming at Joni like a car accident, for her to find herself up on a stage, performing songs that allowed more freedom interpreting than her own songs did, with the rush of such a full sound behind her. It thrilled her. It was a moment in her life that meant enough to her to do something about it. As a consumer, if we aren't equally as moved, if she didn't make us feel it... well, do what consumers do: consume something else. I recall watching A Day in the Garden with Rich, and he paused a moment to listen (!!!) to Joni sing Summertime. At the end she loses her voice and hits a false note, then bravely tries to recover. She is beaming anyway, because she knows she was rocking on this song for 99.9% of it. And Rich looks at me, like... "What the '....' was that???? I said nothing. Pretended I didn't hear a word and he left the room as she moved on to 'her' material. And I thought to myself, "I don't listen to Joni Mitchell because she's perfect. I listen to Joni because she's Joni Mitchell." The scope of her life graces mine. Every step and mis-step. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 03:47:54 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Gosh darn it. Gosh darn it, I got that wrong: I don't listen to Joni Mitchell because she's perfect. I listen to Joni Mitchell because she's Joni Mitchell. There. I wanted to make sure I got that just so. Of course, if Joni were inclined, I'm sure there's one thread of her life experience that would probably make for grand 'universal' appeal in the great Joni Mitchell tradition: if she were to examine her relationship with her daughter, grandson and son-in law. Such a moving, emotion filled subject in the hands of so gifted an artist would make for an experience that would rock the jmdl world to it's core. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 11:26:15 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Sib in London today/Judee Sill (NJC) Azeem AzeemAK@aol.com >NP: Jane Siberry - Haint it Funny (from a fantastic collection >of Siberry rarities for which I can hardly thank Catherine enough - >but here goes again, Catherine!) Which reminds me, I've just heard that Jane will be having a 'Meet and Greet' in London today (Sunday 24th) from 4 until 5:30pm at the Bar Chocolate at 27 D'Arblay Street, W1 (between Poland Street and Berrick Street. Nearest tube Oxford Circus or Tottenham Court Road. Don't think she'll be playing - it's just a meet and chat session. Not sure whether I can go myself yet. Hoping to see Kate Rusby tonight at the Queen Elizabeth Hall, so might try and pop in beforehand. As jmdlers also on the Judee Sill list (Steve & Philip, at least) will know, Jane has just recorded a version of Judee's song 'The Kiss' for the new album by a group called 'Ghostland' and was due to be playing a set with them in London this month but it was cancelled for some reason. I wrote to Jane asking her about her recording of the Judee Sill song - here's her reply: > I had heard about her long ago. People who loved her REALLY > loved her. When I sang the song, I sang it for her. I knew she'd > had a hard time sending out her music and someone saw her > later working in the Warner Bros. library. When I got home that > night I looked her up on the internet and found she had died. > That really shook me up. She was alive when I was singing it. > Whatever that means. Judee, who it's thought died in 1979, made only two albums - both amazing - some may know of her from Shawn Colvin's version of 'There's a Rugged Road' on 'Cover Girl' - Graham Nash also produced her song 'Jesus was a Crossmaker' on her first album. Whilst, it appears, her life was a tragedy, her music (and lyrics) were sublime (IMO). Recently someone in the UK launched a website about her http://www.lesk.demon.co.uk/pages/jsill/jsill.htm and contributors have included producer Gus Dudgeon (Elton John, David Bowie, David Crosby and many others) who first saw her supporting Carole King at The Troubadour in LA - see http://www.lesk.demon.co.uk/pages/jsill/gus.htm - they are still trying to track down Judee's publisher - "Gus thinks that his name was Michael and he was with April Blackwood Music, or Blimp Music in 1971" - to fill some gaps in her life story. Any ideas or memories about Judee would be welcome. PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 07:18:48 EDT From: UGAstudent22@aol.com Subject: Laura Nyro? Hey Guys! I'm new (sort of) to the list. I used to sign up, but left and have returned. I'm a 22 year old student at the University of Georgia. Was wondering if anyone has access to the Laura Nyro albums Mother's Spiritual, Nested, and Season of Lights. A couple of years ago, I worked on a music history project dealing with Joni's albums; now, i'm repeating the project for graduation using the music of Ms Nyro, and those three albums are basically impossible to find. If anyone can help me, I'll be glad to send you either the money for supplies or a CD-R, whichever you choose. thanks so much!! Matt Jones Athens, GA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:00:34 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Laura Nyro? NJC << Was wondering if anyone has access to the Laura Nyro albums Mother's Spiritual, Nested, and Season of Lights. >> Hi Matt, and welcome back, neighbor! :~) I always LOVED Nested, so much so that I bought a $600 CD burner just so's I could transfer my Nested tape to CD. So I can supply you with that one...if interested lemme know. Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Mr. Tambourine Man", Raleigh 3/18/01 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:12:47 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD - why cut Jericho ? << 1. "I'll try" appears three times in the song, and I have come to basically agree with those who say that those words are indicators of immaturity. >> Bob S...thanks SO much for these great posts of yours! Sorry for taking so long to respond, but it's been a pretty crazy 48 hours! Anyway, I would suggest that "I'll try" is more honest & mature than "I promise" or "I will"...when we're teenagers or even getting married (the first time), we naively make promises about being heads over heels in love and will always be 100% dedicated to another person. Well, as life progresses, we discover just how tough it is "to make and keep a friend" (and I agree with Mark about the importance of being "friends" with a lover - not always easy to do!) As we all know, not all of those "I promise" and "I will" statements succeed. Many fail. And through that process, sometimes a more mature comment is one like: "I'll try and keep myself open up to you" Certainly not as great to hear as "I'll love you 'til the twelfth of never", but more honest and accepting of the foibles of both parties. And not *immature* at all, but rather suggestive of the fact that a successful relationship takes as much WORK as it does LOVE. All right, I've whipped this poor horse to death. Send him to the glue factory! Bob NP: They Might Be Giants, "Working Undercover For The Man" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 08:35:49 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD - why cut Jericho ? Southern Bob wrote: > "I'll try and keep myself open up to you" > > Certainly not as great to hear as "I'll love you 'til the twelfth of > never", > but more honest and accepting of the foibles of both parties. And not > *immature* at all, but rather suggestive of the fact that a successful > relationship takes as much WORK as it does LOVE. > I was thinking the other day about how little I post these days, (with the exception of all the Jonifest stuff) and was wondering why. Reading the posts about DJRD, one of my absolute all-time favorite songs, and these words by Bob as well as the well written posts by Bob S., my twin, Mark, and others, I realized that I am so "full" after reading them, there is little left I have to say. Thank you all, for all the differing opinions, and well thought out analysis. Hugs, Ashara P.S. If anyone has any "giveaways" for Jonifest, (Joni memoribilia, CD's, t-shirts, pictures, CD's that you have made, etc.) PLEASE send them on to me at: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA We are truly lacking in this department this year. THANKS!!! Only 68 more days!! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:29:52 -0400 From: mags Subject: Re: Gosh darn it. Richard Rice wrote: > < Mitchell because she's Joni Mitchell.>> Sounds like unconditional love to me. That's my feeling with everything Joni. I may not be able to articulate all that I feel about certain songs (the way that so many of our gifted jmdlers are able to). I may not understand the technical why or why not in every single song she's written, however, I admire her tenacity in the face of everything she has had to endure. Despite everything and perhaps inspite of everything, Joni is still moving forward in her life. > < life experience that would probably make for grand 'universal' appeal in > the great Joni Mitchell tradition: if she were to examine her > relationship with her daughter, grandson and son-in law. Such a moving, > emotion filled subject in the hands of so gifted an artist would make > for an experience that would rock the jmdl world to it's core.>> From the position of meeting my own Little Green, I can only imagine how difficult it might be for Joni to even begin to lay down the words about her relationship with her daughter. How can she? So much emotion for which there are no words. How would she begin to talk about being a mother and yet not a mother, a grandmother and yet not a grandmother. Is she able make sense of it inside her soul well enough to move it out into a song that we can sing along to? I admire her for these things that swirl around deep inside her, the mysteries we know so little about. The things that even Joni may not be able to put into words. She is herself a magnificent work of art. She lives on in each and every word she writes. The way I 'hear' her songs constantly changes too, depending upon where I am in my life. Joni sings songs about her life, your life and mine. She continues to reach down inside me and make me feel. Everything. Mags np: The Enfolding And this loving is a drawing close, a tuning in, an opening Until one perfect moment; but how can it be expressed? A receiving, and enfolding as I cradle you in my arms. Within my heart, within my soul, You are my true love. Garnet Rogers, last verse of The Enfolding from the CD Speaking Softly in the Dark - -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:25:49 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Album of the year so far (NJC) I can't hold back any more! Christine Collister's voice is caressing my ears as I write, and I feel moved to commend "An Equal Love" to all you lovers of great music. I know quite a few of you are familiar with the Isle of Man's greatest gift to music; many more won't be. This is her third solo studio album, and to these ears it's her best yet. Her voice is just so beautiful that it hurts; and it's a beautifully arranged and sequenced album, mixing her own songs with well-chosen songs of others. Fans of Sarah McLachlan will want to hear her version of Full of Grace, and the closing voice-and-guitar rendition of Moon River is simply exquisite. One possible objection is that a couple of the songs may be a bit too produced, although I think the songs and singing are so strong that their power can't be quelled. If she's touring your neck of the woods, please treat yourself - Debra Shea and I went to see her at the end of May, and Debra has already mentioned how great that was. Anyway, that's enough slavering idolatry for now... Azeem in London on a lovely warm sunny afternoon - I've even got my shorts out of the cupboard! NP: Christine Collister - Motherless Child (a capella and stunning) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 10:39:05 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Foni Mitchell / Vikki Clayton - STOP PRESS!!! In a message dated 22/06/01 23:26:22 GMT Daylight Time, Fonimitchell@aol.com writes: << Foni Mitchell have a new lead singer for the forthcoming UK gigs. The wonderful Vikki Clayton (Fairport Convention, Vikki Clayton Band, Ric Sanders & Fred T. Baker etc.) will be appearing with Foni Mitchell for their July - September gigs in place of Jo Rafferty, who left the band two weeks ago to pursue her solo career. >> Guys, this is an amazing development - she's one of my favourite singers, and I'd love to come and see you and her playing Joni songs. I'll have a look at the website, and hope that the tour makes it to London. All the ebst, Azeem in London NP: Christine Collister - Moon River ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 09:47:26 -0500 From: Kate Subject: why Joni does Brenda: > So maybe she has moved > into the interpretation phase to conquer the criticism and not out of > hubris but MAYBE to overcome some insecurity she may have with regard to > her voice. My .02: This will sound oversimple in this intelligent discussion, but I think Joni did the BSN album for the very simple reason that those songs are a JOY to sing. Kate of the North ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 12:47:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: guitars slightly out of tune sjc >>> Em made what I took to be a Joni reference when she said, "We Canadians like our guitars slightly out of tune." : )<<< That could also be a Neil Young reference as I think he has a rep (or did at one time) for this... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 13:09:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: YAY Vienna Tab Woman!!!!!! NJC "a fabulous woman in Vienna" very cool & well deserved...marian you need a website called afabulouswoman.com !!! i can't wait to check out your jonatha tunings! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 13:09:38 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Re: Thoughts on BSN & beyond... " Q magazine made a comment a few years ago, I think when Chalk Mark came out, that while she had plenty left to say, she had nothing left to prove." I like that quote. Though I don't think of Joni as someone motivated by trying to prove anything...I think of her as an intensely creative being who is always exploring & experimenting, discovering & allowing. To me this is the true nature of creativity as I have encountered it. There are moments that are almost a physical feeling (I relate it best to skiing when it becomes effortless...& I imagine it is also similar to being in the pocket of a wave for a surfer) of relaxing finding yourself in the presence of a muse & then just riding on that...too much intellect & you block...not enough & you spin off... Of course not every creative endeavor is that pure but I think most anyone that has ever experienced that is constantly trying to find their way back. And like Brenda said it really is about pleasing yourself...& it is also a very addictive sort of thing...wanting to get back to that amazing place... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:31:40 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Consumers and Creators. Hmmm...I found myself disagreeing with alot of this...so, respectfully: Richard Rice wrote: > Age, smoking, poor health and much more smoking have taken a toll on her > voice. The clear highs are lost. I agree with this > She's gained much in her ability to interpret a song with heart and > feeling. Her pitch has greatly improved over the years. I disagree with this. There's never been anything wrong with her pitch; and I scratch my head that her reduced ability to physically sing is anything but a liability. If greater experience in her life gives her a greater feeling and expressiveness-wouldn't it be even better if her voice were in better shape? > Anyone fortunate > enough to actually hear her in person can't help but admire the quality > of her singing voice. I saw her during the BSN tour at Concord CA. (And at least 5 different times over the years since '72). The thing about a live show is that there is excitement, there is affection for the performer, there is a suspension (hopefully, if you are there to enjoy yourself) of critical thought. I had a great time, enjoyed the music, etc. Later, a jmdler was kind enough to make me a copy of her Camden, NJ show. Ouch - IMO the singing is not too good. I wonder if the show I saw and completely enjoyed sounded similar. I suspect it did. > It's not the greatest in the universe. Again I have to disagree- the singing on FTR, Blue, even "Moon At the Window" is incredible, beautiful, as good as anything in pop music. A pliant, expressive voice with lots of range, flexibility....it's a testiment to her Goddess-given ability as a singer that she has been able to smoke heavily for so long and sing at all. > And the legion of singers who 'sing' better can't hold a candle to the > breath of creativity she has exhibited, then or now. Celine Dion or whoever's creativity or lack of it has nothing to do with Joni's ability to sing. They're two different things. > > And to all those so focused, including reviewers, on what she's lost, I > pray you're not doing the same with your receeding hair lines, widening > waist lines, or accumulating crows feet. > My god, people grow old. > No one is what they were in their youth. Get over it. Move through your > life with grace and accept the things you cannot change. Again, I have a problem with this...yes, time marches on, we grow old...but there are certainly things you can to do accelerate aging, or fend it off. You can exercise, eat right, take vitamins, meditate, etc, etc. I have no intention of accepting that I have to have aches and pains and take handfuls of presciption drugs as I see many people in my age group (I'm 45) doing. The two things a doctor will tell you is exercise and don't smoke. If you do these things you can stay younger longer. Don't roll over and accept senility, fight! Moving through your life with grace is easier when you are not wracked by unneccesary health problems. > She is not making products for consumers. Yes, she is. > You can measure her success from the point of view of a consumer... who > creates nothing, can second guess everything with perfect hindsight, or > lay any set of standards to what is created. So if someone has an opinion, they are an uncreative consumer with nothing to say? I am not putting words in your mouth, but it seems like that's your point...? > If you've done any creating in your life, other than consuming... Since this seems aimed at listers who have less than enthusiastic opinions about some of Joni's work, I would just point out that my observation of this group is that it is full of creative people who do more than just consume. > she moved on to 'her' material. And I thought to myself, "I don't listen > to Joni Mitchell because she's perfect. I listen to Joni because she's > Joni Mitchell." Me too. Perfect people are pretty boring. But "My Joni, right or wrong" makes about as much sense to me as "My country, right or wrong". If you're tired of the silent night, Jesus, then you yell it. Richard again: Of course, if Joni were inclined, I'm sure there's one thread of her life experience that would probably make for grand 'universal' appeal in the great Joni Mitchell tradition: if she were to examine her relationship with her daughter, grandson and son-in law. Such a moving, emotion filled subject in the hands of so gifted an artist would make for an experience that would rock the jmdl world to it's core. Me again: I wonder if such private and complex relationships always translate well to a 4 minute song. "Facelift", for example, makes me feel a little uneasy-like airing dirty laundry-I feel for her mother having such personal stuff publicized. But you're probably right, Joni could certainly continue to explore the themes of maturity and getting older, and I hope she does. And I agree with you also that the important thing is that she has remained creative and restless. Whatever we think is but a speck on the windshield. But we can still have opinions, and be thankful if Joni ignores all that and keeps on doing. RR ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 14:43:17 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Laura Nyro? njc Hi, Matt, and good to have you on board. Except for Nested, the other two CD's are available as imports from Amazon: Season of Lights: about $32 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000072MJ/qid=993418486/sr=1-14/ref=sc_m_14/002-9322561-0063244 Mother's Spiritual about $17 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000002RJS/qid=993418486/sr=1-16/ref=sc_m_16/002-9322561-0063244 BTW: Don't forget to add "njc" to the subject line to filter out the 'non joni content' for the joni-only subscribers. Thanks. RR UGAstudent22@aol.com wrote: > Hey Guys! > > I'm new (sort of) to the list. I used to sign up, but left and have returned. > I'm a 22 year old student at the University of Georgia. Was wondering if > anyone has access to the Laura Nyro albums Mother's Spiritual, Nested, and > Season of Lights. A couple of years ago, I worked on a music history project > dealing with Joni's albums; now, i'm repeating the project for graduation > using the music of Ms Nyro, and those three albums are basically impossible > to find. If anyone can help me, I'll be glad to send you either the money for > supplies or a CD-R, whichever you choose. thanks so much!! > Matt Jones > Athens, GA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:00:42 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Laura Nyro? njc paging mr. muller! paging mr. muller! white courtesy telephone.... ;-) wallyK, a nyro head if tehre ever was one - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de UGAstudent22@aol.com Enviado el: Domingo, 24 de Junio de 2001 08:19 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Laura Nyro? If anyone can help me, I'll be glad to send you either the money for supplies or a CD-R, whichever you choose. thanks so much!! Matt Jones Athens, GA ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 18:47:34 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Rufus article in NYTimes NJC There's an article in today's NYTimes about Rufus Wainwright and how he doesn't fit into modern gay culture. The title is "Rufus Wainwright: Out and Proud, but Hardly Pectorally Correct". Very interesting article, not only about Rufus but about the gay scene too. (Makes me think about modern life in general, with its lack of appreciation for people's spirit and inner being, including our own sometimes, but that's for another discussion.) http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/24/living/24RUFU.html Debra Shea NP: Christine Collister's An Equal Love, "Venus Proud" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 19:54:56 -0400 From: dsk Subject: Re: Album of the year so far (NJC) AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > I can't hold back any more! Christine Collister's voice is caressing my ears > as I write, and I feel moved to commend "An Equal Love" to all you lovers of > great music. ... > > If she's touring your neck of the woods, please treat yourself - Debra Shea > and I went to see her at the end of May, and Debra has already mentioned how > great that was. Yeah, it sure was!! Her voice is so powerful and emotional and flows out of her so easily, it was a joy seeing her perform, even when the songs brought tears to my eyes. Having a brief chat with her during intermission was a pleasure too; she's such a down-to-earth charmer. Listening to her new cd now, I'm once again moved and amazed and sometimes in tears again (makes laughing all that much more fun, ya know), and feeling actually surrounded by her voice... odd feeling, similar to being wrapped in a cozy warm blanket. In concert her only accompaniment was her own guitar playing (although she very humorously described the wondrous sounds we could hear on the cd if we bought it), so it's interesting having that to compare with the more textured cd. Her voice is always upfront even when there's a lot of instrumentation, and I love the piano backing and gentle drumming on many of the songs, so I don't think the production detracts at all. This is a wonderful cd! I definitely join Azeem in recommending it. And since I'm listening again to the first song on the cd... not only is her voice a treasure, but lyrics she's written combined with that voice are like an irresistible force of nature (full-blown language, I know, but that's how it feels). This is from the first song: "I'm standing on a broken bridge and all this water rushes by with all the moments of my life I start to cry I don't know how I came to be upon the road that led me here each faltered step a little overdraft of fear I bruise my knees to find the edge I can almost bear the pain..." Pretty depressing, isn't it? The song goes on to include: "now strong enough to dare to try... and I can fly" and she sings the word "fly" easily and richly for at least 20 seconds, and then goes on to vocalizing pure emotion. Flying indeed. And if you're lucky enough to see her live, yes, grab the chance. Her singing can and will literally blow you away. > Anyway, that's enough slavering idolatry for now... For me too, unless anyone has any questions... :-) Debra Shea NP again: Christine singing "Waiting for my Prayer" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 22:44:43 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Consumers and Creators. << > She is not making products for consumers. Yes, she is. >> To which I offer one word: Hatbox Which, by the way was supposed to be some kinda limited edition thingy and it's still available all over the place a year and a half later...don't kid yourself, John, and I don't fault her for doing it, but this was pure commercialism at its best/worst, if only because it was released prior to the regular release knowing that LOTS of her most faithful fans would cough up the dough. Bob NP: Red House Painters, "Cruiser" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2001 23:38:50 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Rap uhhhh... stinks. NJC This post involves lots of horrific language. Listers who have not had a tetnus shot recently are advised to delete now. - -- In the kitchen at my night job, it's usually speed metal on the CD player. Tonight, when no one was around, I put the radio on an FM station doing a retrospective on the blues-oriented Fleetwood Mac, pre-Buckingham & Nicks. While I was emptying the garbage, one of the youngsters entered the kitchen and said, "What the f*ck is this f-*king shit? Who the f*ck put this f*cking, f*cked-up sh*t on? What the f*ck?" I guess he wanted something polysyllablic instead of the blues, so he put on a CD that featured the word "m*therf*cker" and "n*gger" four times in the first sentence and involved screaming hysteria, and threats for 4 minutes. The next song was much, much gentler. A woman began singing an actual melody over the top of a gentle, hypnotic rhythmn, and I felt myself giving this CD a second chance. So I tuned into her lyric, which was, approximately, "Your mommy ain't sh*t. Your daddy ain't sh*t. Your brother ain't sh*t. Your sister ain't sh*t. Your dick ain't sh*t." This is fun? This is a reason to go to the mall and spend money? Can someone help me with this? Harrumph! In my day, we knew what a good lyric was. To wit: "Louie, Louie, Louie, Louieeee. Louie, Louie, Louie, Lou-ahhhh." Ahhh. My humanity is creeping back. How do rap fans drive on the freeway? How do rap fans make a purchase? How do they treat their pets? Their lovers? Their parents? Lama ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2001 16:44:14 +1000 From: "P. Henry Boland" Subject: gallery cc: (cc'd from catgirl's pic-list) hi all, I haven't been able to be onlist at all lately but HAVE done a little more work on the gallery. in light of this post, tonite I decided to throw open all the doors, even though parts of the gallery are still very much under construction, so that now all can access pretty much everything I have. included in this update, in the 'rarespecialnew' section there are six jpegs of scans from private collections cointributed by their owners, four from a concert with CSN at Madison Square Garden thought to be around '79 and the other two from a concert with Tom Scott in CA. hope you all enjoy these. :o) http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=1502641&f=0 best regards, pat ps - thanks jim - --- "A liar never believes anyone and a thief always locks his doors." 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