From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #240 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Friday, June 1 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 240 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: J&B and Coke ["hell" ] NY, NY, a helluva town NJC ["Robert Holliston" ] Old Beale Street is coming down... ["Kate Bennett" ] Alcohol songs (njc) ["Sue Cameron" ] Alcohol songs, pt. 2 (NJC) ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: Prison name - NJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni itinerary ["kerry" ] Re: Joni itinerary [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: joni the raging feminist [Susan McNamara ] Re: Joni itinerary ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: J&B and Coke [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni itinerary [Don Rowe ] Re: Old Beale Street is coming down... [Don Rowe ] Re: Joni itinerary [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: joni the raging feminist [Relayer211@aol.com] [none] [farneddy@mindspring.com] Re: J&B and Coke [Mark Domyancich ] Re: may 30!!!!!!!!!!! njc [Jason Maloney ] RE: Joni itinerary ["Wally Kairuz" ] John Kelly ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: J&B and Coke [Randy Remote ] Re: J&B and Coke - NJC ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 19:30:14 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: J&B and Coke Emmy wrote: > A quick question. I am making a mixed tape for my friend (for her 21st > birthday) of all the songs in which Joni references alcoholic beverages. > In Paprika Plains Joni mentions J&B and Coke. Does anyone know what J&B > stands for? For some reason this seems terribly familiar to me, yet I > can't pull it up. J&B is brand of blended scotch whiskey - meaning a blend of single malts and whiskey that is distilled from unmalted barley or corn. Much cheaper (and not as nice!) as an unblended, or "single malt" whiskey. Hope that helps! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 02:08:17 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: NY, NY, a helluva town NJC Hello and big hugs to everybody! I just got back from New York early this morning and haven't slept in many hours, so I'll keep this brief. It was a great weekend! What a unique pleasure it always is to meet some new JMDLers and greet some long-timers. Above all, thanks to David Lahm and his incredible wife Judy for making this possible, and for allowing us to treat New York as "our personal property." My personal reason for visiting New York was not, in fact, the JMDL event, which turned out to be a happy coincidence. On Friday night five of us - me, Patrick, Patrick's sister Karen, Kay, and Heather - attended a performance of Stephen Sondheim's Follies at the Belasco Theater. That was my main reason for travelling across the continent, and I could go on and on about Follies, but I won't unless you email me privately, in which case I will. For the rest of you, suffice it to say that I returned for the following day's matinee. As always, it was great to meet fellow JMDLers. Rose was the first, and we had a wonderful visit in the bar of Judy's Chelsea, which I must say remains my favorite place to meet for a drink in all of Manhattan. Rose from New Jersey! How great to meet and get to know you!! While Rose and I were drinking and smoking at the bar, Nikki and Alison arrived, bringing with them Julius. Ach, Julius!! It was so great to meet you at last after over three years of occasional exhanged emails. He's even nicer and more handsome than his emails and photos suggest. I recognized Nikki immediately from the Jonifest 2000 photos, and a sweeter person cannot exist. Her savory complement would be Alison, with whom I had the great pleasure of performing a few songs (I wasn't planning to play, but Julius made me, and I'm glad he did - hearing his voice and Alison's while I somehow found the necessary chords for "Willy," "River," and "Blue Boy" was a true highlight for me). Other highlights have to be David Lahm's sensitive and textured playing (he is a master pianist, in the manner of Bill Evans), the beautiful singing of Alison, the extraordinary set of Mitch, who made us all hear "Cherokee Louise" as if it were a brand new song, and the masterly work of Kay Ashley, who is both a friend and an inspiration. It was also so very cool to meet, at last, Sue Cameron, whose posts have been so intelligent and objective, yet so impassioned, and whose voice has inspired me during the last three years to be a better poster. If she hasn't succeeded, the fault is entirely mine: Sue is one of the most clear-headed and friendly of JMDLers, and it was a real privilege to meet her (and Nate) at last. Far, far too little time spent with Debra Shea, who I want to see again and have some time with as soon as possible. My long weekend in New York was so wonderful, and thanks above all to my beloved friend Patrick Leader for being such a great host and for taking time out from his otherwise very busy schedule to spend time with me walking (it seemed like) all over the island. We saw a great if demanding play, Tom Stoppard's THE INVENTION OF LOVE. Which isn't a play about the JMDL, but the title could serve for what we have.......... Roberto _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 01:56:17 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Old Beale Street is coming down... Steve wrote: Standing on the stage of the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville....."How-dee!!!!!!! I'm just so proud to be here!" I did that too! Had the guy take my picture & when I asked him if I could do it with the guitar, he said sure just play me a song. So I said okay, but it was horribly out of tune with very old strings....It looked good though... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** - - ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:13:24 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Alcohol songs (njc) Alcohol songs, ahhhh, my favorite! How about Talk to Me, where she pissed some tequila! Next! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:15:43 -0400 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Alcohol songs, pt. 2 (NJC) Dear Bob, You wrote - BTW, ROTFL!!! Song to a Seagrams A Case of Bud The Dry Chablis from Des Moines Shadows and Lite Brew Goodbye Pork Pie Lunch Edith and the Six Pack Lesson in Jaegermeister Bud Lite Tonight The Blonde with the Blender A Woman of Seven and Seven In France They Drink on Main Street I sang all of these in NYC, including EMPTY, ORDER ANOTHER!!!!!!! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:18:56 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Prison name - NJC Hell writes: > I hope no one here will ever need this, but it might be useful to have prior > knowledge.... > > Warning: adults and those with a warped sense of humour (like mine) only! > > www.spindrome.com/prison.html > > LOL Hell! A certain JMDLer who shall remain nameless (but lives in Rhode Island ;-) sent this site to me a couple of weeks ago. I thought it was hysterical. I've seen the television series "OZ" a few times, and I used to like watching the Australian (?) series of the early '80s "Prisoner - Cell Block H". I still remember Lizzie, Doreen, & Bea............what a hoot! Jimmy (aka Wish Bone) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:25:52 -0500 From: "kerry" Subject: Joni itinerary Steve wrote: >>P.S. Ken and I have noticed that our travels this year seem to hinge around Hejira; we visited Savannah in February, and now Memphis! (Where to next, my dear?)>> This is an interesting concept. What would the ultimate "Joni Tour" itinerary consist of???? Any ideas?? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 08:33:05 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni itinerary In a message dated 5/31/01 8:30:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, myrtlmoo@ticon.net writes: << >P.S. Ken and I have noticed that our travels this year seem to hinge around Hejira; we visited Savannah in February, and now Memphis! (Where to next, my dear?)>> >> Could someone explain the Savannah connection to Hejira to me, please? What am I missing? Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 09:40:37 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: joni the raging feminist This caught my eye because I just read "Beyond Gender" by Betty Friedan which calls for a more humanist approach to the gender problems. I thought it was really a huge step forward in viewpoint (i think she wrote it in 94 so it's a couple years old now). As far as Joni is concerned, if she had said I am not a feminist, I'm a humanist, it might not have hurt so much, but as much as I love the woman, Joni is a Joni-ist. Her goal was/is to further the art, so that didn't leave too much time to support other women (read competition). Her philosophies seem very power-oriented (in an individualistic way [dogeatdog]). David Crosby said she was as shy as Mussolini and Dylan called her a man!! :-) ha ha. She is definitely not a feminist (in my opinion). At 3:00 AM -0400 5/26/01, onlyJMDL Digest wrote: >I am sure that Joni's "I am not a feminist," which I heard her say at >the Edmonton Folk Fest (and was sorely disappointed, felt betrayed), is >only the tip of the subject for her and does not adequately explain all >that she thinks about it. Because I really doubt she believes women >should not have equal rights. > >Kate ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 06:48:13 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni itinerary > Could someone explain the Savannah connection to Hejira to me, please? What > am I missing? > > Paul I > 'Here in Savannah it's pouring rain Palm trees in the porch light Like slick black cellophane' - -Blue Motel Room from Hejira Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:26:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: J&B and Coke J&B is the trademark of "Justerini & Brooks Limited" distilleries. J&B scotch is very pale in color, and was always favored by hard-drinking foreign service personnel characters in Graham Greene's novels ... since they could mix their scotches and sodas much stronger without anyone noticing. As something of a scotch fancier, I can also tell you that the mixture of J&B and Coke would easily make anyone's top 10 List of foulest tasting cocktails imaginable ... which has always led me to think Joni intended the lyric to be a reference to drinking scotch while doing cocaine. Purest of speculations, of course! Hope that not TMI! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:34:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni itinerary Joni song vacation getaways: The Bay of Fundy Memphis North Dakota (any junction will probably suffice) Staten Island Harlem Havana The Magdalene Laundries (can we go home yet?) "That little island SOUTH of Florida" (wouldn't be a Rowe-post without a DED reference now, would it?) Washington Paris Probably a lot more, but my frequent flyer miles are definitely toast at this point! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 07:52:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Old Beale Street is coming down... - --- Kate Bennett wrote: > I did that too! Had the guy take my picture & when I > asked him if I could do > it with the guitar, he said sure just play me a > song. So I said okay, but it > was horribly out of tune with very old strings....It In that case, I hope the song you chose was "The Circle Game"! ;-) Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail - only $35 a year! http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:03:03 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni itinerary << Joni song vacation getaways: >> Make sure you check in at the Miami Royal to see "Otis and Marlena" Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:04:40 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: joni the raging feminist In a message dated 5/31/01 9:52:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << Her philosophies seem very power-oriented (in an individualistic way [dogeatdog]). David Crosby said she was as shy as Mussolini and Dylan called her a man!! :-) ha ha. She is definitely not a feminist (in my opinion). >> That may be true. But it seems to me that songs like "Don't interrupt the sorrow" and "not to blame" show her deep concern for women's issues. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:53:54 -0400 From: farneddy@mindspring.com Subject: [none] I was just reading the posts on the wonderful Joni gatherings, and wondering why, since I live in Joisey right across the river from NYC, I dont go to these things and meet some of you folks. It got me to thinking about who is close to me and what kind of possibilities that may hold. I also wonder if a group of other Joni fans might hold dating possibilities (gay male). Maybe I'd have more luck than cruising the bars. *you go down to the pickup station craving warmth and beauty.....etc. etc.* I just thought maybe it was time I "come out" into the JMDL community instead of just adding a post every month or so. You seem like a very warm interesting bunch of people I should get to know better. I'll try to make the next NY area gathering !!! Frederick AKA Acousticub ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 11:33:10 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: J&B and Coke Isn't Coke not capitalized in the liner notes, "J&B and coke?" I had always thought that Joni was saying his eyes were on fire from a mixture of J&B and cocaine. I wouldn't think that a whiskey and Coca-Cola mixture would make anyone's eyes red, but surely a mixture of whiskey and coke would. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net cd/shn trading: http://homepage.mac.com/mtd/ http://db.etree.org/domyancich/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:14:14 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: may 30!!!!!!!!!!! njc Thanks to the Birthday Fairy and everyone else who sent me best wishes on my big day (I'm 30 now, oh god). Hope nobody minds the group post rather than individual replies. Appreciatively, Jason. Wally Kairuz wrote: > > happy birthday JASON MALONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > THE BF, in a hurry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 17:16:39 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni itinerary paul: blue motel room! ''here in Savannah it's pouring rain...'' wallyK Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 18:14:04 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: John Kelly I don't know if all you Lahmfest reveriers knew it but John Kelly had a run from May 17-26 called Brother: Songs My Mother Never Taught Me. John looks pretty hot in the Village Voice ad. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 31 May 2001 20:55:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: J&B and Coke Boho Dance "the camera pans the cocktail hour.." emmy burns wrote: > A quick question. I am making a mixed tape for my friend (for her 21st > birthday) of all the songs in which Joni references alcoholic beverages. > In Paprika Plains Joni mentions J&B and Coke. Does anyone know what J&B > stands for? For some reason this seems terribly familiar to me, yet I > can't pull it up. The other songs I've got are as follows:The Jungle > LineIn France They Kiss on Main StreetFurry Sings the BluesA Case of YouThe > PriestJust Like This TrainI Had a KingDon't Interrupt the SorrowCareyRaised > on RobberyDown to YouThe Last Time I Saw RichardThis Flight TonightBanquetBlueBarangrillBeat > of Black WingsLead Balloon Can anyone think of some I'm missing? > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 17:41:05 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: J&B and Coke - NJC Don wrote: > As something of a scotch fancier, I can also tell you > that the mixture of J&B and Coke would easily make > anyone's top 10 List of foulest tasting cocktails > imaginable ... which has always led me to think Joni > intended the lyric to be a reference to drinking > scotch while doing cocaine. Purest of speculations, > of course! The thought of "polluting" a good scotch with coke, turns my stomach! Bourbon (Jim Beam) yes, scotch NO! I agree Joni was talking about cocaine. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #240 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?