From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #225 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Saturday, May 19 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 225 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) ["Kakki" ] Re: yankee yachts NJC ["hell" ] Surconsciousness [Gordon Mackie ] Re: Surconsciousness NJC ["hell" ] Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC [MDESTE1@a] re: Bob Dylan NJC ["Robert Holliston" ] Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC [SCJoniGuy] Re: Does anyone else feel this way?(SJC) [Catherine McKay ] God Bless The Go-Go's NJC [CHRIS TREACY ] Joni's house in Bel Air ["c Karma" ] a map of canada ["J.David Sapp" ] Foni Mitchell live tonight! (+ set list) (NJC) [Fonimitchell@aol.com] Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc ["Diane Evans" ] 'Positively 4th Street' (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: a map of canada [Catherine McKay ] Re: Does anyone else feel this way?(SJC) [catman ] re:The rich Americans [Catherine McKay ] Radim Zenkl visits UK (NJC) [Gertus@aol.com] Subject: Kate's Jeff (NJC) ["Kate Bennett" ] What Joni said about Dylan [Randy Remote ] Map of Canada / cottages vs cabins NJC ["brian symes" ] Re: yankee yachts??? NJC [catman ] Re: a map of canada ["hell" ] Shadows and Light DVD from Hong Kong ["dave foers" ] APOLOGIES: FORGOT! [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Bob Dylan NJC [Relayer211@aol.com] Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? ["dave foers" ] signs you might be too Canadian NJC [mags ] RE: Does anyone else feel this way?(NJC) ["Nikki Johnson" ] NJC just lookin' for music [RPWieloh@cs.com] Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Lahm's NY JoniFest Next Weekend!!! [Dflahm@aol.com] thanks you wonderful people you njc [evian ] yankee yachts??? njc [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:25:39 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) Francesco Lucarelli lucarelli.f@tin.it wrote about "a CSNY encyclopedia" >The authors conducted a number of exclusive and candid >interviews with musicians and associates of CSN, including: (hundreds of them.....) - - but NJC????? Was she asked? Did she decline? Hope she at least gets a 'thank you' in the credits for the use of her house for rehearsals! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:27:19 +0200 From: "Francesco Lucarelli" Subject: Re: Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) Unfortunately she hasn't been willing to talk to us, although Nash put us in touch with her people :-( Francesco - --CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY--- The Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young encyclopedia: a 3 book-boxset, soon to be released! More news at http://www.booksoncsn.com Published by Gopher: http://www.gopherpublishers.com/ ********************************************************************** - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Castle" To: "jmdl" Cc: Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 10:25 AM Subject: Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) > Francesco Lucarelli lucarelli.f@tin.it wrote about > "a CSNY encyclopedia" > > >The authors conducted a number of exclusive and candid > >interviews with musicians and associates of CSN, including: > (hundreds of them.....) > > - but > > NJC????? > > Was she asked? Did she decline? > > Hope she at least gets a 'thank you' in the credits > for the use of her house for rehearsals! > > PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:55:36 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Map of Canada revealed Rosa, you are right! I tried looking at it again and yes there is a face, but a very GOOFY one! Kind of like a Groucho Marx cartoon face with big eyes and a huge nose and a few strands of hair sticking straight up! Whoever it is Joni was not portraying him in his, um, best light. LOL Kakki P.S. Thanks to Jimmy for correctly ID'ing the wine - ha! > I don't have the litho, but what I have is the cardboard >promo poster that I tore of the wall at Borders LOL I >definately see a face. Wasn't Cohen from Montreal? But >then again, it almost looks like that funny self portrait > painting that Dylan had done ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:58:41 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) Francesco, I'm sorry to hear this. Seems she contributed to Crosby's bio "Long Time Gone" back in the 80s. Thanks for giving up the updates on your venture - it sounds absolutely incredible. Congrats to Leslie Mixon for her contributions to the project. Kakki > Unfortunately she hasn't been willing to talk to us, > although Nash put us in touch with her people > > :-( > > Francesco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 04:42:58 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Map of Canada revealed In a message dated 5/18/01 4:38:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: << Rosa, you are right! I tried looking at it again and yes there is a face, but a very GOOFY one! Kind of like a Groucho Marx cartoon face with big eyes and a huge nose and a few strands of hair sticking straight up! Whoever it is Joni was not portraying him in his, um, best light. LOL Kakki >> There is a line from a Leonard Cohen song that goes something like: "You said you prefer handsome men, but for me you'd make an exception." Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:44:49 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Why Bob Dylan? NJC Bob SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote >add Dylan to the list and you could say that they >wouldn't have happened without Chuck Berry. This site, dedicated to Dylan influences - collected by Matthew Zuckerman - see http://www.expectingrain.com/dok/div/influences.html gives this example: ~~~~~~ 18 Original song: Too Much Monkey Business (Chuck Berry) Dylan song: Subterranean Homesick Blues (January 1965) "By 1965, Dylan had absorbed an enormous amount of traditional and quasi-traditional material, but it is from this time that we see him start to incorporate the influence of more contemporary works. Chuck Berry has, with good reason, been called the first poet of rock and roll, and his "Too Much Monkey Business" (1957) is a perfect example of his mastery of colloquial American English. Dylan takes Berry's rapid-fire approach to the language and ups the stakes: ~~~~~ Workin' in the fillin' station Too many tasks Wipe the windows Check the tires Check the oil Dollar gas! Too Much Monkey Business ~~~~ Ah get born, keep warm, Short pants, romance. Learn to dance, get dressed, get blessed Try to be a success. Please her, please him, buy gifts Don't steal, don't lift - Twenty years of schoolin' And they put you on the day shift Subterranean Homesick Blues ~~~~ For earlier Dylan, (having read the following - see http://members.nbci.com/elstongunn/leaving.html), looks like Nigel Denver, Martin Carthy, Liam & Pat Clancy (with help from Dylan's manager, Albert Grossman) should be added to the list influences; >PAT CLANCY: Let me tell you some of the mechanics now, because >I was very close to it. Al Grossman's father's neighbour... Grossman >started in Chicago, and he wanted to come to New York to find out >about folk music. I was contacted to show him around the Village. >He arrived at night, at 240 West 10th Street, in a suit and tie. He >was a very bright man... You want to know where Dylan got his stuff? >There was a little folk club here in London, down in the basement; >we sung in it one night, where the fellow was singing about the tiger >in the grass and the bullet up his arse, do you remember that? Anyway, >Al Grossman paid somebody and gave them a tape-recorder, and >every folk-singer that went up there was taped, and Bob Dylan got >all those tapes. And when you hear The Leaving of Liverpool adapted >by Bob Dylan, it is from one of those tapes! >LIAM CLANCY: Yes, and the tune of "Farewell"... because whoever >was singing harmony was closer to the mike than the guy singing >melody, and when [Dylan] wrote his version, he wrote it to the harmony >not the melody line... PaulC (off to the UK Dylan Convention in Manchester next weekend - any jmdlers going?) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:05:03 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: yankee yachts NJC Stephen wrote: > The same thing happens all over B.C. The Gulf Islands- a continuation of > the U.S. San Juan Islands- are filled with American owned weekend homes. > As well, areas of Vancouver Island and the Interior of B.C. > There was an interesting article in the Globe and Mail this past week, > about this very thing! How Americans are snapping up property and homes > right across the country, and driving up the price of real estate as a > result of supply and demand. Can't say I blame them, as the U.S. $ is > worth $1.60 Canadian!! Hmmmph! Americans don't know a good deal when they see it. Currently the US dollar is worth $2.50 New Zealand. I propose that everyone gets together and buys a holiday home here, and the Jonifest gets another location. And then I won't have to practically get on bended knee at the bank, to beg for money for plane tickets...and yes, I'm still waiting....(very impatiently, I might add). Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:56:25 +0100 From: Gordon Mackie Subject: Surconsciousness Relayer211@aol.com wrote I know it's irrational, but I get very upset, almost angry, when people don't like the same things I like, such as Join's music for instance...I feel like they are missing out on something very important. (The title of may mail has nothing to do with Big Sur... just a piss poor pun.) Anyhoo, don't you just love it when you discover someone who has the same sense of humour as yourself. The music thing is important but I think you can tell a lot about someone by their sense of humour. I've noticed this on the list too. Anyone prepared to stick thieir necks out on this one?? Woody Allen's humour still makes me laugh. French and Saunders crack me up. Joni seems to have a wicked sense of humour which I also admire eg Raised on Snobbery.. sorry..Robbery Ciao Gordon ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:44:26 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Surconsciousness NJC Gordon wrote: > Anyhoo, don't you just love it when you discover someone who has the > same sense of humour as yourself. The music thing is important but I > think you can tell a lot about someone by their sense of humour. I've > noticed this on the list too. Anyone prepared to stick thieir necks > out on this one?? Woody Allen's humour still makes me laugh. French > and Saunders crack me up. Joni seems to have a wicked sense of humour > which I also admire eg Raised on Snobbery.. sorry..Robbery I actually think a sense of humour is more important than someone's taste in music. My best friend has a completely opposite taste in music to me - if it's top-ten, she'll usually like it, and anything earlier than 1980 is "rubbish", yes, even Joni! - but we have an identical sense of humour, and quite often set each other off laughing at very inopportune moments! But it's amazing the reactions that two opposite senses of humour can conjure up - something one person finds hilarious, another finds completely offensive (which has been evidenced on this list quite often). The trick is to realise this difference, and try to ignore it - not so easy, I admit. Personally I find the following people hilarious: French & Saunders (together or alone), Ellen Degeneres, Rik Mayall, Rowan Atkinson, Bill Murray. Another actress who is absolutely brilliant at comedy is Emma Thompson, but unfortunately we hardly ever get to see it. Give me a good comedy movie over a drama any day of the week. If I want some escapism, then at least give me a good laugh at the same time! Mind you, a good murder-death-kill is always fun too.... Hell - a strange kind of person, really! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:44:48 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC << 18 Original song: Too Much Monkey Business (Chuck Berry) Dylan song: Subterranean Homesick Blues (January 1965) >> This was very cool, Paul...thanks for sharing it! And really a weird coincidence, because yesterday I was running and thinking about Chuck's lyrics...certainly nothing as DEEP as Dylan but yet the immediacy of what he speaks of, the way he instantly taps into a familiar conciousness...how can you listen to "School Days" and not remember that glorious feeling when the bell rings and you get to go where you wanna go? "Soon as 3 O'clock rolls around, you finally lay your burden down" Or how he captures the restlessness of youth in "Almost Grown", or offers the ultimate negotiation in "No Money Down", and the list goes on & on... Plus, his technique of introducing a song with a guitar lick has become such a standard - it's what Joni was aiming for with BYT! Bob NP: Donald Fagen, "IGY" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:48:12 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC What a soap opera this is turning out to be....."Tune in next week to learn Rose's forbidden past and secret life....You'll be on the edge of your seat as Rose comes to grip with her secret....Bob's extortion intrigue.....and now a word from our sponsor" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 04:57:53 -0700 From: "Robert Holliston" Subject: re: Bob Dylan NJC Not wanting to offend anybody, but there were some pretty good songwriters that pre-dated Dylan and the Beatles and were (maybe) even better than Gershwin (sorry, Paul I). For example: Cole Porter and Irving Berlin (both of whom wrote their own lyrics: IMHO Porter was better than just about anyone); Ellington (although Billy Strayhorn probably composed many of the tunes popularly attributed to Ellington); Rodgers & Hart; Bernstein; and my own idol Stephen Sondheim, probably the best lyricist ever, and not a bad composer either.. Even earlier there was (odd that I, as a Canadian, would idolize this essentially American songwriter) Stephen Foster, one of the greatest melody writers who ever lived. In this company Dylan is pretty small: I certainly agree with whoever it was who wrote that Dylan's lyrics tend to be an undisciplined pile of random images that may or may not work. IMHO, both Joni Mitchell and Tom Waits are better lyricists than Bob Dylan, because their work is more polished. To me, that counts. When I listen to The Hissing of Summer Lawns, I feel like I'm in the presence of a great genius: a master not only of lyrics and music, but the best of all pop artists when it comes to putting the two together. Yeah, I know Blonde on Blonde well. For my taste (IMHO and all that) it's not as good as For the Roses or Court and Spark or HOSL or Hejira or Christmas and the Beads of Sweat or Blue Valentine or A Little Night Music. I've been listening to Don Juan's Reckless Daughter a lot lately: it's f*cking amazing. I'd trade it for the entire output of Bob Dylan and consider myself much the wealthier for the exchange. That's my 2 cents worth. Roberto _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:11:10 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC << What a soap opera this is turning out to be..... >> Don't lose too much sleep over this, Marcel...the actual secret is about as exciting as Geraldo Rivera's unvealing Al Capone's vault! :~D Bob NP: Bob Schneider, "Metal & Steel" (A REALLY excellent record! This guy pretty much swept the Austin Music awards, no small feat in a music town like Austin TX...if you're like me & VERY disappointed with the new Dave Matthews record, do yourself a favor and check out Bob Schneider's "Lonelyland") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:59:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Does anyone else feel this way?(SJC) - --- Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > I know it's irrational, but I get very upset, > almost angry, when > people don't like the same things I like, such as > Join's music for > instance...I feel like they are missing out on > something very important. They are missing something very important, but I've become resigned to it. Which makes it so much the better when you DO find someone who likes Joni's music - - it's like a bolt out of the blue. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:58:31 -0400 From: Heather Subject: Re: May 17th!!!!! njc Happy Birthday Bob!!!!!!!! See you in September? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 06:27:38 -0700 (PDT) From: CHRIS TREACY Subject: God Bless The Go-Go's NJC Just curious - am I the only one out there who has already purchased the new Go-Go's CD? I have to say (and with very little degree of embarrassment) that this CD kicks ass! Straight forward 'power-pop', great harmonies and some fine songwriting make this collection a cut above 'Talk Show' a/o 'Vacation'. I'm impressed. Thoughts? While I'm on the topic of pop music, I haven't seen any posts about the latest Janet Jackson epic, however,I know there are some fans out there. Anyone? Garrett? I've splurged on a JJ ticket for August...$95 - - thank God for credit cards. - -Chris NP: Jefferson Airplane - "Martha" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:11:56 From: "c Karma" Subject: Joni's house in Bel Air But why would you want to? Take away the wonderful collections of baskets and the musical instruments and it looked then like what I expect the Playboy mansion to resemble ("Who put their KOOLs out on my rug?!?"); the fountain, dining room ceiling and library loft not withstanding. It's interesting that the article states that Joni's paintings were hung all around the house but none made it into the photos. They even positioned a HUGE vase in front of a mirror to obscure one! Go figure. CC "A camera pans the cocktail hour behind a blind of potted palms."-- JM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:31:59 -0500 From: "J.David Sapp" Subject: a map of canada Jimmy wrote: Unfortunately i can't remember the source but i read an interview with Joni and she says she was drinking cranberry juice. peace, david ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:37:16 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: Foni Mitchell live tonight! (+ set list) (NJC) Foni Mitchell + support bands - The Valuable Fools, The Wash The Bear Inn, High Street, Bearwood, Birmingham. Tonight at 8.00 p.m. Set List: I Had A King, Chelsea Morning, California, Carey, You Turn Me On..., All I Want, Little Green, River, Morning Morgantown, Rainy Night House, Circle Game (featuring the audience), A Case Of You, Big Yellow Taxi, Woodstock, Both Sides Now, This Flight Tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 09:47:12 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc To Sara*, Kelly L., and Mr. Gerry, Hoping your birthdays were full of roses and kisses without pretty lies! In the jmdl tradition, Happy Fu*@ing Birthday! Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 08:02:38 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: 'Positively 4th Street' (NJC) Check out the NY Times review of this book - heavy Farina/Baez/ Dylan content - at: http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/17/arts/17MASL.html You have to sign in, but its free. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: a map of canada - --- "J.David Sapp" wrote: > Jimmy wrote: > the print very carefully. > Because of the line "You taste so bitter and so > sweet", I think Joni is > drinking a glass of Torciano Vallicello which is a > red sweet wine. There > happens to be some excess tannin from this batch > which explains the > bitterness. Since the color of the wine is so light > I could also guess she's > drinking a Beaujolais. Being a fairly inexpensive > wine, she may have drank > quite a few glasses to match all the cigarette butts > in the ashtray. > > > Unfortunately i can't remember the source but i read > an interview with Joni > and she says she was drinking cranberry juice. > You're right, David - now that you mention it, I remember reading the cranberry juice bit as well. I'm so impressed that some of you people can identify different types of wines. About all I know is I like a dry white, and most reds give me a headache. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:57:25 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Does anyone else feel this way?(SJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > --- Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > > I know it's irrational, but I get very upset, > > almost angry, when > > people don't like the same things I like, such as > > Join's music for > > instance...I feel like they are missing out on > > something very important. > Good job I don't! My partner of 20 years doesn't like Joni and doesn't like most of my music. I can't stand his either(opera and stuff like Elton John, James Taylor, Bob Dylan). We have different tastes in almost everything. In fact we have very little in common. But it's worked very well for 290 years. I used to try and persuade people to like my music favourites. I tused to take it a opersonal slight if they didn't-like they were saying there was soemthing wrong with me for liking it. Then i grew in self esteem and no longer give a toss what others like or don't! bw volin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:12:47 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: re:The rich Americans Catherine wrote: "There are a lot of very rich Americans who own cottages (ha - cottages? these are frickin' mansions more like ........There are entire lakes in Ontario and Quebec surrounded by luxury homes with yachts where the average slob, such as moi, probably wouldn't even be allowed to go. And if we can keep all the retired Canadians from gobbling up all these oooo-gly mobile homes down here in Florida maybe the homeless could upgrade their living situations to trailer park dwelling. Or maybe clear some of the trailer parks and and leave "nothing but flowers....." Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 10:46:42 -0700 From: Sue Glumac Subject: Wine glass Could the subliminal message be "is the glass half empty or half full"? Sue ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 14:37:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: re:The rich Americans - --- MP123A321@aol.com wrote: > > And if we can keep all the retired Canadians from > gobbling up all these oooo-gly mobile homes down > here in Florida maybe the homeless could upgrade > their living situations to trailer park dwelling. Or > maybe clear some of the trailer parks and and leave > "nothing but flowers....." I don't get it either. I wouldn't want to go to Florida - too many Canadians! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 16:27:04 EDT From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Radim Zenkl visits UK (NJC) If anyone in the UK is interested, the Czech mandolinist Radim Zenkle is coming over from California, where he now lives, and will be giving a concert in Brighton on June 1st and a workshop on June 3rd. He's an extraordinary player who is said to have revolutionised the mandolin. His style mixes Czech folk music, European pop, 50s, 60s jazz, classical music and stray bits of American bluegrass and acoustic music. He's a great experimenter and has produced one album on which every track is in a different tuning - he must have been listening to Joni. Contact me for further details. Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:03:37 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Subject: Kate's Jeff (NJC) I have forwarded all of the cool things said about Jeff from Victor's House Concert. He is really really touched by all the great things you have written & the musical comparisons! The next night we played Eddie's Attic & one of the young guitar players told him, wow man you sounded like Dylan! (Dylan to Jeff is like Joni to all of us.) ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:47:03 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: What Joni said about Dylan What Joni said about Dylan in the new Rolling Stone: "No one has come close to being as good a writer as Dylan. He had these grand themes, these cast-of-thousands kind of songs, people running around with cats on their shoulders, street scenes. He did a lot with urban landscapes, like "Desolation Row," where there's so much going on. What do I make of Bob turning sixty? Because of the youth-cultish nature of our industry-of every industry, basically-I think it is a very positive thing that someone of another generation survives. The obvious wish I have for Bob is his own line: "May you stay forever young." For the creature that creates, it's all child's play." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:48:19 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: Map of Canada / cottages vs cabins NJC I spent my time (54-75) in a little musical spot named Rondeau Park,Ontario at our family summer cottage. Rondeau has a 10 mile long beach on lake Erie and the cottage's were a gallimaufry of Victorian Pseudo log cabins and weird 60's Contemporaries.Its a humid breezy place to spend a Quiet Safe life. The high light were the Steady SW winds always coming up the bay creating perfect wet bottom sailing. Pop Warner Built these little Plywood boats called Larks and the Yacht club would send out dozens of these boats on the bay.As we all turned into teenagers the cool place to be was the Dance hall on Saturday night from 66-72 or so rock bands would show up. Thinking about what we were going to do when the summer was over was the last thing on our minds as we circled the dance floor during a slow dance. The beat of the drums, the hearts,the waves were all one. Looking up the Spelling for Yacht I noticed the Defition for Yankee started with "Jan Kees" Dutch for Cheese and used by the first Hollander's in New York to Put down the English up in Connecticut. NP "the chick is twisted" "Twisted' on KINK-FM this Station still plays Fleetwood Mac, Steely Dan,Eagles,Moody Blues and Joni Mitchell Bye Brian Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:08:42 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? NJC Am I the only person who read "Love Story"? The term "Canuck" teamed with an adjective that rhymes is basically the opening of the book, in the hockey game story. My tender sensibilities forbid me from repeating the actual phrase from the book. But I think that was the first time I ever saw in actual print the word that rhymes with "Canuck." (the Rev) Vince, blushing at even posting this Mark or Travis wrote: > > Around these northwestern parts of the U.S.A., it *is* very common > to use > > and hear the word "Canuck." > > Scott said it for me so I'll just back him up here. It is a common > term in these parts in reference to our neighbors to the north. I do > admit I had never heard it before I moved to Seattle, however. > > Mark in that northwestern city. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:55:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? NJC > But I think that was the first time I ever saw in actual print the word > that rhymes with "Canuck." okay what is it? I can't thi k of anything that rhymes with canuck. Mind you maybe the way i say isn't the way you do'can- ook'. But I can't think of a way to pronounce it that rhymes with the f or c word. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 10:55:44 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: a map of canada David wrote: > Unfortunately i can't remember the source but i read an interview with Joni > and she says she was drinking cranberry juice. I remember that too, so I searched the archives. From an interview on KCSN Radio, December 21, 1999 (talking about the cover of BSN): Interviewer: No, I actually have a very different feeling about it. I'm curious as to what's in the glass, and it makes me want just to have an aperitif. Joni: Actually it's cranberry juice. It seems to be her drink of choice, there were about 5 articles describing her having lunch in Brentwood, and drinking cranberry juice. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:53:51 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: Shadows and Light DVD from Hong Kong For what its worth, The Hong Kong Version is Multi Regional, Regions 1 to 5, as long as you have a NTSC compatible tv and player. Its brilliant! I play it over and over. Best wishes Dave, Stoke-on-Trent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:32:08 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Word games Colin, take the word Canuck. Spell it. Divide it in half. Spell the last half. Then go through the English language. A+ uck, b+uck, c+uck, d+uck, e+uck, etc, until you find a letter than goes with "uck" that makes a word that rhymes with "Canuck" that a person of my sober and austere personality would never say. (This is getting deep...) Chuck it all, and buck up, as Huck Finn would say, this whole topic may suck, and with luck, like a duck we'll get out of the muck and truck onwards, and find a word that rhymes with Canuck. Now what puzzles me: what is the "c" word? Well, I guess I really don't want to know. I'm not signing my name to this vulgar post. jan gyn wrote: > At 11:55 PM 5/18/01 +0100, catman wrote: > >> But I think that was the first time I ever saw in actual print the word > >> that rhymes with "Canuck." > > > >okay what is it? I can't thi k of anything that rhymes with canuck. > >Mind you maybe the way i say isn't the way you do'can- ook'. But I can't > >think of a way to pronounce it that rhymes with the f or c word. > > Jean-Luc? Forsook? Fluke? > -jan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 19:33:41 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: APOLOGIES: FORGOT! Don't read the prior post which I forgot to tag the subject as NJC - as I haven't tagged this one so that I can apologise profusely to the right people. Sorry! Very sorry! (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:07:32 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: Bob Dylan NJC "I was so much older then. I'm younger then that now." I identify with that lyric from "my back pages" very, very strongly, at this point in my life. I really was so much older years ago... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 01:06:22 +0100 From: "dave foers" Subject: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? Can anyone recommend any recordings worth a listen to, with Jaco Pastorious and/or Pat Matheny, other than with Joni?. I just think the sounds they make on the Joni stuff is 'sooo' special and soulful, I'd like to hear more.... Best wishes Dave, Stoke-on-Trent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 17:12:42 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Shadows and Light DVD from Hong Kong Have you played it in 5.1? So far, no one has verified that the Hong Kong version is really in surround. Just wondering, since so many bootleg CD's come from asia, and a surround sound version of Shadows and Light would require access to the original master tapes, whereas if it is not really licenced, they could have just copied the laserdisc version. RR dave foers wrote: > For what its worth, The Hong Kong Version is Multi Regional, Regions 1 to 5, > as long as you have a NTSC compatible tv and player. Its brilliant! I play > it over and over. > > Best wishes > > Dave, Stoke-on-Trent ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 20:25:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Lahm's NY JoniFest Next Weekend!!! Hey guys with all this posting about the Labor Day Fest in Boston, there hasn't been a word about NEXT WEEKEND!!! What's doing with this? Nikki and I don't know where the hell we're staying, if we're staying.... When will folks be arriving? What's planned for Friday night, any ideas yet? I know Sue Cameron will be arriving Friday. We really need to communicate and get organized. Ashara, please help!!! I can bring my guitar for someone else to play, as yawl know I'm a beginner! LOL David, could you please post the times again for Judy's Chelsea for Sat. & Sun.? Thanks, Rose in Noo Joisey rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:16:52 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: yankee yachts??? NJC LOL colin, i think it's cun-NUCK. wallyK ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:46:22 -0400 From: mags Subject: signs you might be too Canadian NJC Signs You Might Be Too Canadian, Eh! (language & politics): 1. You have an Inuit carving by your bedside with the rationale, "What's good enough protection for the Prime Minister, is good enough for me!" 2. You can sing "O' Canada" in French and actually know what the words mean!! 3. You think there isn't enough Queen on our currency. 4. Your backpack has more than one Canadian flag iron-on. 5. You use a red pen on your non-Canadian textbooks and fill in the missing 'u's from labor, honor, and color. 6. You know the French equivalents of "free", "prize" and "no sugar added", thanks to your extensive education in bilingual cereal packaging. 7. You can eat more than one maple sugar candy without feeling nauseous. 8. You know that a "Premier" isn't a baby born a few months early. 9. You read rather than scanned this list. 10. You really get Marcel Deste's jokes and think he's pretty damned funny. Mags, the Canookian - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 21:56:33 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: Does anyone else feel this way?(NJC) Wally! I know exactly what you mean because this week I have been having these debates with my friend Theresa over race and religious issues. We are on very opposite ends of the spectrum on these issues but so parallel on everything else. When we debate we do it nicely and more to inform than argue, but it's still hard because I wonder how a friend I have so much in common with on so many levels can hold such different views, ones I fundamentally disagree with! LOL! It's very frustrating but I think worth discussing with her because she has learned some in the process, and I guess I have too but more how to deal with prejudice than anything else. I still love her! At least she is someone that can debate with me and not attack, and it doesn't destroy our friendship, we try to grow from it even though it is frustrating and difficult. Love Nikki np: Jonatha Brooke~ Red Dress "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Wally > Kairuz > Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 1:35 AM > To: Relayer211@aol.com; Joni@smoe.org > Subject: RE: Does anyone else feel this way?(SJC) > > > oh yeeeeeeeeees, i used to feel that way all the time until i met my last > partner with whom i lived for 13 years. we had nothing in common: NOTHING! > but we adored each other so i learned to accept this paradox. but i still > feel kind of strange when i'm getting to know someone and everything is > going all right and all of a sudden i realize that he thinks joan baez and > joni mitchell are the same person. even if i get over it later, i > still get > the same funny feeling in my stomach. > to me political differences are worse. with something like joni or opera, > well, he's missing something and maybe i'm missing a lot more, who knows. > but basic political or community issues can make me feel that > some gaps are > unbridgeable. and whenever i feel that i cannot bridge a gap i become > extremely sad and sometimes furious. i can be terribly militant. > but not at > the dinner table anymore. what's your sign relayer? > wallyK, > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Relayer211@aol.com > Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2001 11:48 p.m. > Para: Joni@smoe.org > Asunto: Does anyone else feel this way?(SJC) > > > I know it's irrational, but I get very upset, almost angry, when > people don't like the same things I like, such as Join's music for > instance...I feel like they are missing out on something very important. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:01:11 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: Jonatha (NJC) Terry wrote: > Now, celebrate that you'll get to see Jonatha! Heard Steady Pull > on NPR and > promptly called the station to thank them. Alison and I went to see Jonatha Brooke last Thursday night in NYC and she was just amazing!!!!!!!!! After standing over 1 1/2 hours after it was supposed to start, and through a mediocre at best opening act (Alison's favorite...LOL!) Jonatha came on! She was just so happy and excited and playful. She was talking in a New York accent and was sooo blown away that we were all singing along to her songs. It is really great to see an artist as excited to be up there playing as you are to see them. She was really blown away at the crowd and said she just couldn't believe we knew all the words. She did a great mix of new songs and songs off other albums. I got home at like 3am cause I had to work the next morning and could barely talk from allergies (Alison said I sounded like shit) but it was soooooo worth it :-) thoroughly enjoyed the whole show! Love Nikki np: Jonatha Brooke~ Room In My Heart "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:11:25 EDT From: RPWieloh@cs.com Subject: NJC just lookin' for music After reading the latest offering from the list I'm wondering if any music lovers/experts have come across the CD entitled,"Caribbean Favorites" by lord Kitchner and Mighty Sparrow? I have tried several of the usual on line sites with no success. Any help would be appreciated also a review of these artists by our contributors if anyone is familiar with the above mentioned. Thanks All,Rich Wieloh ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:18:23 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Jaco Pastorius/ Pat Matheny Recommended Listening? Pat is on a very fine Michael Brecker CD called TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 22:20:17 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Lahm's NY JoniFest Next Weekend!!! OK Rose! Thanks for the reminder. Saturday we go 3-7 & 7-11; Sunday 3-7 (plus my piano & bass jazz brunch, noon to 3) DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:16:19 -0600 From: evian Subject: thanks you wonderful people you njc Hi Gang, Just a quick note to thank all of you for the baby well-wishes! It was really nice to see so many messages from the list -- y'all are a special group of people! Anyway, just wanted to say thanks, and let you know that Kelly is doing great. She came home on Tuesday (she was jaundiced, so she had to stay in under the lights, which was an ordeal that I won't bore you with, except to say that we had to sit up around the clock to make sure her little eye mask didn't come off, so we are still feeling the effects of those two days of no sleep -- I never thought I would say the words "I can't wait until the baby comes home so we can get some sleep"). Anyway, she's doing great, eating like crazy, sleeping VERY well (knock wood, and I am praying this holds true tonight as well), and is an all-around great baby. I've got 8 billion pictures, but my scanner needs a new cord, and so for those of you who asked for pics, be patient until I get the new cord! Again, thanks guys, for everything! Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 23:54:50 -0600 From: evian Subject: yankee yachts??? njc > we've never even > > learned anything about Canada and most Americans are barely aware > Canada even > > exists as a separate nation. > > I don't even know what this thread is, since I decided to delete the past week, but just had to say that here, we didn't even learn anything about most of Canada, apart from the "all important" Ontario and Quebec (is there any wonder why the west has resentment for the East?). I went to school in B.C. until Grade 6, and Saskatchewan from 7-12, and it wasn't until Grade 12 history (Which was an elective), that I learned ANYTHING about the west, or about the maritimes, or the north. However, I *DID* learn all about textiles in Georgia, and what the major exports were in all these states that meant nothing to me. I mean, until I met Bob, I really never gave a rat's ass at all about South Carolina (no offense, but I'd rather visit the state than write reports on textiles), and it never enriched my life one iota to know that they grew cotton or tobacco or smelted nickel or whatever the hell it is they do there (or DID there, as I remember our textbooks were from the 50's). Actually, and I am NOT lying, when I told my friends I was moving to Sask, nobody had a clue where it was. Oh, and as for French on the cereal boxes... about 10 yrs ago, when my parents were moving, I was helping them clean out cupboards, and the French was a way that I could tell them what to throw out. In their spice cupboard, I'd say "For God's sake, there isn't even any French on this bottle of poultry seasoning, it's gotta be ancient... throw it out!" LOL, by the way, you gotta love the translations on products -- I still remember "Gee, Your Hair Smells Terrific" was some gawd-awful sounding thing -- LOL, I saved a bottle of it somewhere, I'll have to try and find it. I also had a friend who was convinced that Crunch 'n Munch was called something like "Crocque Pop" or something like that because she always read the other side of the box (I almost called it the "Wrong" side, but I don't want any francophones sniping at me ;) Well, off to bed, I'll check in when I can! Evian ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #225 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?