From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #223 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Thursday, May 17 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 223 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- yankee yachts??? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: yankee yachts??? ["Kakki" ] RE: yankee yachts??? ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: NJC CD Burner query ["Greer, Ron" ] NJC - bob & his influence ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc ["hell" ] Re: turning 30 and the alternative... (njc) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: NJC CD Burner query [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: yankee yachts??? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] May 17th!!!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) ["Francesco Lucarell] SORRY! Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young CORRECT LINK ["Francesc] Cindy NJC [catman ] RE: Wanna visit Joni's house [Kate & CJ ] Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC [AsharaJM@] Re: Joni Shadows & Light video at CD Now [Catherine McKay ] Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: yankee yachts??? [Catherine McKay ] Kate's Jeff (NJC) [w evans ] Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Wanna visit Joni's house? [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: yankee yachts??? [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Bad Days and Good days (NJC) [TerryM2222@aol.com] Joe Henry? NJC [TerryM2222@aol.com] Re: yankee yachts??? [Catherine McKay ] Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC [Catherine] Re: Wanna visit Joni's house? [Catherine McKay ] Re: yankee yachts??? vljc [Catherine McKay ] Re: yankee yachts??? NJC [Scott Price ] Another "Almost Famous" Thread ["Kate Bennett" ] Another "Almost Famous" Thread NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] joy and sorrow NJC ["Kate Bennett" ] message from jane siberry (njc) ["shane mattison" ] Map of Canada revealed ["Kate Bennett" ] Re: RE: Wanna visit Joni's house? ["brian symes" ] Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC [RoseMJoy@] Re: Map of Canada revealed [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Map of Canada revealed ["Kakki" ] Re: yankee yachts??? NJC ["Kakki" ] Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc [Alison E ] Re: Map of Canada revealed [Don Rowe ] Re: Map of Canada revealed [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Wanna visit Joni's house? ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: Map of Canada revealed [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: yankee yachts??? vljc [mags ] yankee yachts NJC ["Stephen Epstein" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 04:26:23 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: yankee yachts??? i'll be using ''banquet'' for language analysis with my friday classes. what are ''yankee yachts'' as mentioned in the song? by the way, ranger rick's comments on ''javex bottles on the tide'' will be so very useful! so what are these yankee yachts? yachts with lots of people from boston? wallyK, vicariously in dear british columbia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 00:14:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? Wally, What a great song to pick! I always thought that "yankee yachts" in Joni's context might have meant American leisure-class boaters (tourists) who wandered into British Columbian waters on weekends. The term "yankee" has long been a catch-all term used by people from other countries for any American regardless of regional origin. Don't the British call us "Yanks"? In Mexico they have been known to call us "Yanquis" Maybe this ties into the song - here are these affluent yachters floating by and no doubt polluting the beautiful shoreline with their discarded paper plates and Javex bottles. And then we have the Shell Oil pails. Fat bellies and hungry little ones. "Waiting for that big deal - American dream" - hmmm, she probably is thinking of "Damn Yankees" here. ;-) Kakki > i'll be using ''banquet'' for language analysis with my friday classes. what > are ''yankee yachts'' as mentioned in the song? > by the way, ranger rick's comments on ''javex bottles on the tide'' will be > so very useful! > so what are these yankee yachts? yachts with lots of people from boston? > wallyK, vicariously in dear british columbia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 05:06:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: yankee yachts??? kakki adored!!!! long time no hear! so they're boats with americans on them!!!!! i thought she was talking about a special kind of boat. you're right: joni may mean americans from the west coast sailing into canadian waters. this song is dynamite. i'm soooooo looking forward to friday. i've prepared a fill-in-the-blank exercise for them to complete with the missing lyrics. of course i chose the word ''out'' to leave as a blank because of the very canadian way joni pronounces it! ''who left the needy OEWT!'' love, wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Kakki Enviado el: Jueves, 17 de Mayo de 2001 04:14 a.m. Para: Wally Kairuz; joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: yankee yachts??? Wally, What a great song to pick! I always thought that "yankee yachts" in Joni's context might have meant American leisure-class boaters (tourists) who wandered into British Columbian waters on weekends. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:21:05 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: RE: NJC CD Burner query hi >bob wrote > Just got a question from a JMDL'er who's making some CD copies of some Joni he's gotten from me. Seems that the CD's copy > all right, EXCEPT for track #1 in each case. > Anybody out there who has made copies of CD's from me ever encountered this or something similar? Any and all help will > be graciously appreciated! >Chris Marshall replied: > The only thing I can think of is that the burnt CD > has been > made in "mixed mode" instead of the audio only > format. Mixed mode > allows both data and audio on the CD, with the first > track being > computer data, and the rest audio. is it only happening with discs from you? or is it happening with all discs they are burning. if it is only with discs from you, he should probably try using a program such as exact audio to first copy the tracks to hard drive as *.wav files & then burning to cd. exact audio is a "card ware" program (to register send the author a post card with a nice picture, & he will send you a registration code - cool huh??) which has extensive error detection etc. & will probably let you know what the error is, during the copying to hard drive. if you want a copy e-mail me directly & ill email it back to you - it zips down very small, (around about half a stiffY) the other possibility is the "spin up" reading. i.e. the drive already starts to read(or write) data/music before it reaches full spinning speed resulting in an uneven data flow at the beginning of the first track & causing errors.( this is not an issue with data copying, but audio has to have an even data flow to read properly.) exact audio has a function which forces the extraction/copying to wait until the discs has reached full speed. (damn, im starting to sound like a salesman!!) another potential problem is the quality of the blank cdr s being used. some cheap cdrs have remarkably consistent errors, i.e. they will only start to burn from a certain point on the cd, or only up to a certain point. i try to use only quality, name brand cdrs, usually sony or tdk, neither of which have ever given any problems. the user should also try slowing down the cd burn speed to see if that makes any difference. another (less pleasant) alternative could be that the drive itself is damaged. Question: if you want to burn music CDs, what type of >CD do you buy? I understand there are different types >L- - is it usually clearly marked on the package what >they can be used for? depends on what hardware you are using to copy. if you are using a hi fi cd copier, such as the pioneer, which has 2 drives, a normal audio cd drive, & a copy drive, then you would use "audio cd" discs. the quickest way to spot these is by the price, which is way in excess of normal blank cds. (as i understand it, this is due to a tax being imposed, proceeds of which are distributed to the recording companies) if you are using a computer cd copier, then you would use "cd-r" discs, which are way cheaper. (no tax, though the introduction of such a tax has been proposed). you also have the option of cd - rw discs, which are rewritable. (cd - r discs are once off) tho im not sure if these work in hi fi cd players (tho i would expect that they do) the type of the cd will be clearly marked on the box/cover of the cd, as either: cd-audio cd-r cd-rw as i said above, try & use decent discs. you will get better results, less errors, and longer disc life. you will also get a longer personal life as repeated copy errors 2 minutes from the end of the cd can lead to to raised blood pressure etc. ; ) ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:09:04 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: NJC - bob & his influence hi no doubt in my mind that bob changed music as we know it. in a very big & significant way. yes, it probably would have changed without him, but in some different way. but then, bob was influenced too. the way i heard it, (though i am fully aware that i am no expert) he started off as a little richard style rock 'n roll piano player (??), was then influenced to get into folk music, largely due to woody guthrie, & then changed to folk rock after hearing the byrds version of mr tambourine man. (tho some people insist it was hearing house of the rising sun by the animals - who knows) but if you keep applying that logic, you will just find a whole long list of musicians who have influenced & changed music, all the way back to the cave man who discovered his club made different sounds when banged on different peoples skulls..................... i must say, that tho i agree that bob is often a great songwriter, he is imho not a patch on joni. bobs lyrics often (but definitely not always) come across to me as sheer nonsense cobbled together because it sounds right, and appears to be deep & significant. jonis writing on the other hand is pretty much imaculate, with every smallest detail carefully planned and placed where it should be. kind of like the difference bewteen a shotgun, and a surgeons scalpel?? ron ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 23:57:09 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? wallyk wrote: > i'll be using ''banquet'' for language analysis with my friday classes. what > are ''yankee yachts'' as mentioned in the song? > by the way, ranger rick's comments on ''javex bottles on the tide'' will be > so very useful! > so what are these yankee yachts? yachts with lots of people from boston? Aren't "yankees" the "northern" americans, ie. the ones who were on Lincoln's side in the Civil War (excuse my profound ignorance of American history here)! That being the case, I've always assumed the "yankee yachts" were yachts from the US, owned by rich North-based Americans taking a little jaunt up the coast, to check out their "poor Canadian cousins" - no offence intended to my Canadian friends here, I think Joni was very tongue-in-cheek when she wrote this line. To be more specific, she wrote: "Some watch their stocks and bonds Waiting for that big deal American Dream I took my dream down by the sea Yankee yachts and lobster pots and sunshine And logs and sails And Shell Oil pails Dogs and tugs and summertime Back in the banquet line Angry young people crying" I know they're two different verses, but they seem to flow together quite nicely - the rich Americans on their fancy yachts, eating lobster in the sunshine while the workers catch the lobsters, drill for the oil, and their kids quite often go hungry... My $0.02 worth at this late hour! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 00:03:45 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc wallyk, our birthday fairy wrote: > B O B M U R P H Y > > the man that can drive a stick and make you like it. > > we're not worthy > we're not worthy > > but we love ya > mister murphy Happy birthday, Bob! Or as Wol - from Winnie-the-Pooh - would say: Hipy Papy Bthuthda Thuthda Bthuthdy Day! Which means, "A happy birthday, and many happy returns" (I may not have gotten that quote completely correct, but it's pretty close)! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:22:49 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: turning 30 and the alternative... (njc) <> Anne, make sure you take a day off between runs...the biggest mistake most people make is running two days in a row. Your muscles and joints require 48 hours to heal and reset, otherwise you'll only cause an injury. <> I really enjoyed this thought, Anne...it always strikes me as funny in our culture, that we're supposed to be so spiritual yet we tend to fear death so much that we'll expend all efforts to ensure that we endure and suffer as long as possible. Last week when I spoke with Jimmy about his beloved Maxine, it reminded me that we are generally more humane with our pets than with each other when it comes to dying. And then, when Evian announced the birth of his daughter, it brought me to Joni thinking about death & birth & death & birth... Bob NP: Joni, "Coyote" (Rolling Thunder, Augusta ME '75) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:30:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: NJC CD Burner query <> Catherine, I use a Philips CD-Burner (hooked into my stereo) as opposed to a CDR writer drive (hooked into my computer). In my case, there's a chip in the Philips that requires MUSIC CD's for burning. These are clearly marked on the packaging, usually MUSIC, AUDIO, and usually both. They cost a little more, and a percentage of the sales are paid to ASCAP or some such... For those that burn on computer drives and more expensive burners, like a Tascam, any type of blank CD can be used. Hope that answers your question! Bob NP: Jackson Browne, "Sky Blue & Black" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:30:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? In a message dated 5/17/01 8:01:32 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hell@ihug.co.nz writes: << Aren't "yankees" the "northern" americans, ie. the ones who were on Lincoln's side in the Civil War (excuse my profound ignorance of American history here)! >> Yan*kee [1] (noun) [origin unknown] First appeared 1758 1 a : a native or inhabitant of New England b : a native or inhabitant of the northern U.S. 2 : a native or inhabitant of the U.S. While Mexicans and Canadiens may use definition No. 2 and Southerners use definition No. 1b, we native Midwesterners definitely believe that defintion No. 1a is the true definition of a Yankee. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 08:32:32 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: May 17th!!!!! njc Happy F*&king Birthday Bobby!!! smurf kisses to you - -Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:08:09 +0200 From: "Francesco Lucarelli" Subject: Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young (3-book set) As many of you might remember, last year we announced the release of "Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young", a 3-book set containing the CSN (and sometimes Young) story from the VERY beginning and tons of informations about their concerts, their discography, their TV and radio appearances. Actually this is gonna be sort of a CSNY encyclopedia. A change of publisher and substantial addition to the text forced us to postpone the release of this project, which we are now planning to publish in the Fall of 2001. The set consists of 3 volumes collected in a cardboard box. vol. 1 - Crosby, Stills & Nash - Their early years The first volume of this project will focus about the very early years of CSN and about the story of the Hollies, the Byrds and the Buffalo Springfield (approx. 180 pages with - more or less - 50 never-seen-before photos). vol. 2 - Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young - Biography The second volume will feature the complete CSN story from the beginning in 1968 until 2001 (approx. 500 pages with - more or less - 180 never-seen-before photos). vol. 3 - CSN&Y: Forty years of music and a trunk of memories The third volume will contain a detailed discography, videography, bibliography, a complete guest-appearance list (on other artists' albums), a concert-chronology (tours, benefit-concerts, live guest-appearances, set-lists, line-ups), a detailed "radio and TV appearance" database and a comprehensive list of CSN songs covered by other artists (approx. 300 pages full color with never-seen-before photos, rare picture sleeves, tickets, handbills, posters, etc.). The set is enriched by many first-hand anecdotes and memories contributed by musicians, producers, managers, photographers, CSN associates, fans and by members of "The Lee-Shore", a CSN internet mailing-list. The authors conducted a number of exclusive and candid interviews with musicians and associates of CSN, including: - - Au Go Go Singers (Richie Furay, Nels Gustafson, Bob Harmelink, Kathy King) - - Les Baxter's Balladeers (Bobby Ingram) - - Buffalo Springfield (Richie Furay, Dewey Martin, Bruce Palmer) - - Byrds (Chris Hillman) - - Hollies (Allan Clarke, Bobby Elliott, Tony Hicks, Terry Sylvester) - - Manassas (Chris Hillman, Joe Lala, Al Perkins, Dallas Taylor) - - CSN band members (Mark "Slick" Aguilar, Craig Doerge, Mike Finnigan, James "Hutch" Hutchinson, Russel Kunkel, David Lindley, George "Chocolate" Perry, Alexis Sklarevski, Joe Vitale, Ian Wallace) - - CPR (Jeff Pevar, James Raymond) - - CSN camp (managers, producers, engineers, etc.): Stephen Barncard, Joel Bernstein, Rance Caldwell, Paul Dieter, Barry Friedman, John Gonzales, Don Gooch, Glenn Goodwin, Bill Halverson, Stanley "L.A." Johnson, Jim Seiter, Ken Weiss Friends, family and other musicians: Laura Allan, Sam Andrew (Big Brother & The Holding Company), John E. Brown, Jackson Browne, George Bunnell, Tom Campbell (Avocado Productions), Jack Casady (Jefferson Airplane, Hot Tuna), Bruce Cockburn, Jan Crosby, Henry Diltz (photographer), Donovan, Bruce Farwell (Bitter End Singers), Steven Fromholz, Steve Gillette, Madeline Golter, Andrew Gold, Tom O'Neal, John Hall, Bill Henderson (The Collectors), Judy Henske, Randy Holden (Blue Cheer) , Jac Holzman, Rickie Lee Jones, Ed King (Strawberry Alarm Clock, Lynyrd Skynyrd), Kipp & Pat Lennon (Venice), Kenny Loggins, Country Joe McDonald, Debbie Meister (CSN management, Avocado Productions), Essra Mohawk, Mark Naftalin (The Paul Butterfield Blues Band), Elaine Nash (Graham's sister), Graham Parker, Van Dyke Parks, Simon Posthuma (Seemon & Marijke), Charles John Quarto, Tim Rose (The Big Three), Tom Ross, J.A. Scarrit, John Sebastian, Chris Stills, Skip Taylor, James Taylor, Jack Tempchin, Bob Vogt, Ian Whitcomb, Nurit Wilde (Greene & Stone management, photographer), Charlie Wine. ...and David Crosby, Stephen Stills and Graham Nash themselves! The three volumes will feature visual work contributed by California-rock photographer extraordinaire Henry Diltz, top "Brit pop" photographer Harry Goodwin, famous 60's photographer Nurit Wilde, Tom O'neal (Deja Vu cover photo) as well as photos by Ian Astle, Roger Barone, Mike Curcuru, Tom Davis, Leslie Mixon, A. Marc Shamblin, David Tulsky, Leslie Mixon, Laurens van Houten and many others. For further info, please go to: http://.www.booksoncsn.com and be sure to come back for additional news. Leave a message on our guestbook: we'll be glad to read it! Thanks, Francesco Lucarelli, Stefano Frollano, Herman Verbeke, Lucien van Diggelen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:45:40 +0200 From: "Francesco Lucarelli" Subject: SORRY! Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young CORRECT LINK Sorry, this is the correct link: http://www.booksoncsn.com - --CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY---CSNY--- The Crosby Stills Nash and sometimes Young encyclopedia: a 3 book-boxset, soon to be released! More news at http://www.booksoncsn.com Published by Gopher: http://www.gopherpublishers.com/ ********************************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:57:25 +0100 From: catman Subject: Cindy NJC Cindy-a friend has goiven me the following as the reason i cannot write to you. Cindy needs to talk to her ISP and make sure they've remebererd that her domain (danielrealty.net) is local and hosted by them. The error indicates that they've forgotten that they need to handle mail for that domain. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:04:59 -0400 From: Kate & CJ Subject: RE: Wanna visit Joni's house > It's not just you; I had the same problem. > > > > Much of this article is off the page and inaccessable to me- > > scrolling all the way over still doesn't get it. > > if using netscape go to File menu and choose Edit page - it should > come up within your screen margins...it happened to me, too. > Hey folks, delurking for a minute here, just wanted to share that Joni > won me $50.! I entered a church horse race (don't ask me how it > works, I don't know) where you have to name your entry - of course, > since mine was a filly, I named her Siquomb. My only regret is I > couldn't hear them pronouncing it coming up the home stretch !!! With a great big whinny - CJ - -- Kate Jordan & CJ McKenna katencj@ptd.net web site www.KATEANDCJ.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:51:49 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC Bob conspiringly wrote: > Bob, who knows a hilarious secret about Rose & S&L but will keep it until he > I know tooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara {hee hee} ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:58:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Shadows & Light video at CD Now - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Cool....I assume the DVD will be in surround. > Unfortunately CDnow > gives absolutely no information about this title > other than that it carries > region 1 coding-playable in US and Canada only It's also on backorder and they can't tell me WHEN it will be available. I'll keep y'all updated when I get any more info on this. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:59:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: RE: Wanna visit Joni's house? I can read it on screen, but when I printed it, I didn't get the right-hand side of any of the pages. - --- Deb Messling wrote: > It's not just you; I had the same problem. > > > > Much of this article is off the page and > inaccessable to me- > > scrolling all the way over still doesn't get it. > > ----------------------------------- > Deb Messling > "I like cats. They give the home a heartbeat." > ~Joni Mitchell > ----------------------------------- Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:05:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > yes!!! it is norway's independence day. yes!!! > ... >BUT MORE IMPORTANT ...to this bIRTHdAY fAIRy [the audience gasps!!!!! ... > is > > BEAUTIFUL SEXY WITTY NAUGHTY MARMALADE POET LAUREATE > BORN-WITH-THE-MOON-IN-CANCER B O B M U R P H Y > > the man that can drive a stick and make you like it. > I'll take your word for the adjectives, Wally. I don't have a clue what you're talking about when you say "drive a stick and make you like it" and I don't think I WANNA know, you naughty BF you! ****HAPPY BOIT'DAY, BOB (JESUS) MURPHY!!*** p.s. Happy indy day to any Norwegians on the list. I hope you get a day off work to celebrate! Looking forward to this weekend, which is Victoria Day and hence we get MONDAY OFF! up here in Canada. The logic behind the holiday is odd, but it's a day off, so thank you, Queen Vicky, for being there for us! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i'll be using ''banquet'' for language analysis with > my friday classes. what > are ''yankee yachts'' as mentioned in the song? > by the way, ranger rick's comments on ''javex > bottles on the tide'' will be > so very useful! > so what are these yankee yachts? yachts with lots of > people from boston? > wallyK, vicariously in dear british columbia This is very Canadian of Joni. We tend to lump all Americans (even southerners) together under the generic term "Yankees." Kind of like Americans calling us Canucks. I rarely hear a Canadian use that term unless they're talking about that hockey team out west somewhere. Joni has a story about that that she tells on the Painting with words and music video - the "vivid" one where she's knitting naked in bed and this funny old lady bursts into her room. I did transcribe it and I think Les was going to post it on the articles database. I don't think it got there because there were a couple of words I couldn't make out because Joni either mumbled a bit or because I could hear what she was saying, but wasn't sure how to spell whatever it was. I did get some clarification on this (it was the town of MiNOOT, or Minute, or Maynooth, or whatever that this weird old lady was yakkin' to Joni about.) I still have a copy of this, so I'll send it to you privately. I'll go over it to see what's missing and make a best-guess on what Joni's saying, and then forward it to Les again, in case he may want to put this on the database. It's a long rambling Joni-story! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:13:21 -0400 (EDT) From: w evans Subject: Kate's Jeff (NJC) A few weeks ago when Kate and Jeff were here playing at Victor's one of the highlights for me was getting to hear someone as authentic-sounding as Jeff sing in that low drawl... it's a very familiar yet distant sound, distant in the sense that it's hard to believe that there are people alive today who sing like that, and not just to be heard on old records... I was scratching me head for a long time wondering where I'd heard that sound before, not just in the sense of the genre, which is everywhere or was at one time, but in a more specific sense... This week I figured it out while I was listening to Sugaree and the Dolphins and The Other Side of This Life.... Jeff really sounds quite a bit like Fred Neil. At least I remember it that way. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:18:46 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc In a message dated 5/17/01 2:20:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > B O B M U R P H Y > > H a p p y b i r t h d a y > Smurph, Bubba, Bobby...............the man I would most want to get lost with in New England..........Have a great birthday Bob. You deserve the best!!!! Lots of Love (and wendies) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:24:29 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Wanna visit Joni's house? In a message dated 5/16/2001 10:40:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << The thing that strikes me about this is - the article was written in 76, but nothing looks out of date. There's colour and all that, but it doesn't scream "70s!!!" at you. >> Well, I sure would toss those lucite chairs out in a heartbeat. Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:25:48 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? In a message dated 5/17/01 11:22:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << This is very Canadian of Joni. We tend to lump all Americans (even southerners) together under the generic term "Yankees." Kind of like Americans calling us Canucks. I rarely hear a Canadian use that term unless they're talking about that hockey team out west somewhere. >> Unless it's about the hockey team in Vancouver, I doubt you'd EVER hear an American use that word, but I suspect that's mostly because we've never even learned anything about Canada and most Americans are barely aware Canada even exists as a separate nation. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:32:02 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Re: Bad Days and Good days (NJC) Michael, I'm so sorry to hear of your recent loss. I cringed, knowing there have been so many for you lately. Hopefully, the boys are ok, bumps and all. Now, celebrate that you'll get to see Jonatha! Heard Steady Pull on NPR and promptly called the station to thank them. The DJ whispered that the program manager has a secret crush on her (she played live on the air when she was in Detroit recently) and he put me through to the guy. We chatted a bit about Jonatha and Joni, whom he is also a huge fan of. Hopefully I'll get to hear more of both now. Hugs, Terry www.addconsults.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:33:05 EDT From: TerryM2222@aol.com Subject: Joe Henry? NJC Ok, music sluts. Tell me more about this guy. I heard a fab song off his new CD on NPR the other day and loved it. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:57:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? > wallyk wrote: > > what > > are ''yankee yachts'' as mentioned in the song? > > by the way, ranger rick's comments on ''javex > bottles on the tide'' will > be > > so very useful! > > so what are these yankee yachts? yachts with lots > of people from boston? > > - --- hell wrote: >Aren't "yankees" the "northern" americans, ie. the > ones who were on > Lincoln's side in the Civil War (excuse my profound > ignorance of American > history here)! > You are right, Helen. The Yankees are the northern states in the civil war context. Yankees are pretty much the northeastern states I guess - New England and so on - a *real* Yankee would be able to answer this one. It really wouldn't include the northwest, since these weren't even states at the time of the civil war - - they would have been territories or whatever and not terribly involved in the war or the slavery issue as such. > That being the case, I've always assumed the "yankee > yachts" were yachts > from the US, owned by rich North-based Americans > taking a little jaunt up > the coast, to check out their "poor Canadian > cousins" - no offence intended > to my Canadian friends here, I think Joni was very > tongue-in-cheek when she > wrote this line. A lot of Americans do come up north to Canada to spend the summer. Canadians love to tell these stories about Americans coming up to Canada in August with skis and so on, wondering where the igloos are. Funny thing - I've heard *about* these stories, but I've never actually seen this for myself, so let's assume it's apocryphal and a bit of a Canadian joke (let's make fun of those ignerrant Yanks, eh?) There are a lot of very rich Americans who own cottages (ha - cottages? these are frickin' mansions more like - Just to digress a bit here, is the use of the word "cottage" to talk about a summer home a Canadianism, or is this used in the US and Britain and so on - a lot of people here talking about going "to the cottage" for the weekend, or for a couple of weeks. It's always *the* cottage! They used to be little shacks in the bush somewhere that you'd have to get to over dirt roads - there was never a toilet in the place; you'd need ) There are entire lakes in Ontario and Quebec surrounded by luxury homes with yachts where the average slob, such as moi, probably wouldn't even be allowed to go. I'm sure the same thing happens in BC and that another Canadian in the west would be able to confirm. People like Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have these HUGE summer homes in the Muskoka area of Ontario (Lake Rosseau, or Rousseau, whatever) - the things are the size of hotels. Of course, there are also a lot of rich Canadians who own homes in these areas as well. But Canadians like to blame a lot of our troubles (pollution and so on) on the "Yankees". It's easier than blaming a lot of this on ourselves. Until Ranger Rick mentioned it, i thought everyone knew what Javex was! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:03:39 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC - --- AsharaJM@aol.com wrote: > Bob conspiringly wrote: > > > Bob, who knows a hilarious secret about Rose & S&L > but will keep it until he > > > > I know tooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-) > Here are my guesses (a secret isn't a secret once you've shared it with someone else, y'know): 1. Rose has an extra toe/arm/eye/head, and this was discovered only when her shoe/shirt/glasses/hat fell off at one of the S&L venues? 2. You're blackmailing Rose and you think you're going to get away with it? Isn't she from Joisey? 3. Rose is really Joni in disguise? Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:08:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Wanna visit Joni's house? - --- TerryM2222@aol.com wrote: > > Well, I sure would toss those lucite chairs out in a > heartbeat. > You know, I didn't notice they were lucite until AFTER I had sent the post - it's hard to tell from the photo, but when you read the article... I figured Joni would be more of a "wood" person. There's also "velour" covering on some of the chairs, pretty 70s. And a few ecological faux-pas, such as an *ivory*-inlaid box and a table "covered in snakeskin." Well, I suppose the heffalumps and the snakes were already dead... maybe they were roadkill or died of natural causes. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:14:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? vljc I wrote (quoting myself? > This is very Canadian of Joni. We tend to lump > all > Americans (even southerners) together under the > generic term "Yankees." and Paul said (re: my comparison between the words "Yankee" and "Canuck") > [Americans] never even > learned anything about Canada and most Americans are > barely aware Canada even > exists as a separate nation. We may bitch about that a lot, but secretly most of us kind of like it that way! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:15:54 -0700 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? NJC At 12:14 AM 5/17/01 -0700, Kakki wrote: >I always thought that "yankee yachts" in Joni's >context might have meant American leisure-class boaters (tourists) who >wandered into British Columbian waters on weekends. Hi Kakki, While the lyric (IMO) covers a broad spectrum of U.S. watercraft, there was a sailboat manufacturing company, Yankee Yachts, based in Southern California, which took a classic plan by the renowned Sparkman & Stephens designers and turned it into a fine yacht with a near cult-like following. The Yankee 30 sailboat was an outstanding attempt to balance the needs of sailors: speed/ease of sailing and durability/safety/comfort. The company also made other, larger boats but the Yankee 30 was the flagship. On any given trip to this area's waters (Washington State/British Columbia) you may see examples of this popular boat. Yankee went out of business in the 1970s but the design was picked up by other boat builders, especially in the Northwest, and may still be produced today. And to respond to IVPaul's comment: >Unless it's about the hockey team in Vancouver, I doubt >you'd EVER hear an American use that word Around these northwestern parts of the U.S.A., it *is* very common to use and hear the word "Canuck." Years ago it was considered derogatory but its usage today is often in a more playful context, as friends and acquaintances from across the border will call each other "Damn Yankee" or "Damn Canuck." Gotta be careful of the inflection, though. ;-) Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:09:41 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Another "Almost Famous" Thread This month's issue of Rockrgrrl Magazine has an interview with Alice Crowe of "don't take drugs" fame. She loved the movie portrayal of her by Francis McDormand. ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:23:36 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Another "Almost Famous" Thread NJC alison said, "maybe its not necessarily the music itself or the state of music that depressed you, it was being reminded of a time when you were young and had no reponsibility and could just pick up and follow a band around on tour. innocence and freedom." I think this is true. Alison isn't old enought to be nostalgic for that time ; ~ } I remember having to leave my music related job & get a "straight" job so I could have medical insurance for my son & how completely depressing, but neccessary, that option was to me. All I wanted to do was to run away & join the circus & never grow up, etc. I evantually did get my second chance at that however! BTW, rock & roll still lives, its just not on the radio anymore! ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.ties aiicom sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 10:29:47 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: joy and sorrow NJC "The deeper that sorrow carves into your being, the more joy you contain." Beautiful & so true... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:20:36 -0600 From: "shane mattison" Subject: message from jane siberry (njc) dear jonijukes, jane siberry's email just has to be spread around: How quiet the world seems. In spite of the racket. What is this mutedness? Is it me? Are you finding things strange, too? Activity not really catching fire. Momentum needing prodding. Quiet rearrangement of known rules. Time opening up like a strange flower. You look up from the book you are reading. Then you see that so much work has been done. You say, no one is calling me. Then you see, you calling no one either. Did it snow last night and we just can't see it? Did someone leave the emergency brake on? Yet ... Days crystalline. Joy shardlike. Are you finding this, too? . . . . . . . . . . SHEEBA wishes you, on her fifth birthday, all abundance. May we be ever more aware of our blessings. I am aware of the blessing of you. Jane Siberry . . . . . . . . . . He lifts the street with his pure strain. He sits alone in front of the tv. The neighbours lights go out. The garden. Love flows between, down and around the darkened abodes as people give up. A baby bird starts peeping in the dark. Shhh! say the other birds. Peep. http://www.janesiberry.com 416.921.1364 416.921.0024 fax Suite 291 - 238 Davenport Road, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M5R 1J6 Five for Alive. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 11:00:24 -0700 From: "Kate Bennett" Subject: Map of Canada revealed Wow, that is so cool Kakki! Was their a face sketched on it (twice)? Probably not as she wouldn't want to give that away... ******************************************** Kate Bennett www.katebennett.com sponsored by Polysonics www.polysonics.com Discover the Indies at Taylor Guitars: http://www.taylorguitars.com/artists/awp/indies/bennett.html ******************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:09:22 -0700 From: "brian symes" Subject: Re: RE: Wanna visit Joni's house? Me to so i set my printer to landscapre vs potrait, it will print all the text put splits the pictures in two. bye brian Sign up for a free About Email account at http://About.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:36:47 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC In a message dated 5/17/01 12:23:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > 1. Rose has an extra toe/arm/eye/head, and this was > discovered only when her shoe/shirt/glasses/hat fell > off at one of the S&L venues? > 2. You're blackmailing Rose and you think you're > going to get away with it? Isn't she from Joisey? > 3. Rose is really Joni in disguise? > 1,3 COLD AS ICE. 2, True that I'm being blackmailed, but I've got some amunition ;~) Rose in Noo Joisey rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 15:40:23 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Map of Canada revealed In a message dated 5/17/01 2:44:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kate@katebennett.com writes: > Wow, that is so cool Kakki! Was their a face sketched on it (twice)? > Probably not as she wouldn't want to give that away... > > There does look like there's a face painted on it, but it could just be Quebec. Maybe another clue.... What subliminal message is in the wine glass? LOL rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:20:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Map of Canada revealed Hi Rose and Kate, LOL, I really pored over and scrutinized the original painting looking for a face(s) but nothing was there. Maybe Kate is right that she wouldn't give it away. Kakki, going to re-scrutinize the wine glass now ;-) > > > Wow, that is so cool Kakki! Was their a face sketched on it (twice)? > > Probably not as she wouldn't want to give that away... > > > > There does look like there's a face painted on it, but it could just be > Quebec. Maybe another clue.... What subliminal message is in the wine glass? > LOL ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 12:26:46 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? NJC Wow Scott, Thanks for the additional info. Joni once again is being literal and symbolic, double-meaning, "dualistic" in this lyric. Now that you mention it I do seem to recall seeing a "Yankee Yachts" sign somewhere long ago - maybe in Newport Beach. I must say that even though "Banquet" has always been one of my favorites, I've gained a fuller understanding of the song now and like it even more! Thanks to Wally for prodding the thought process along! ;-) Kakki > While the lyric (IMO) covers a broad spectrum of U.S. watercraft, there was > a sailboat manufacturing company, Yankee Yachts, based in Southern > California, which took a classic plan by the renowned Sparkman & Stephens > designers and turned it into a fine yacht with a near cult-like following. > The Yankee 30 sailboat was an outstanding attempt to balance the needs of > sailors: speed/ease of sailing and durability/safety/comfort. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:09:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: may 17!!!!!!!!!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > but we love ya > mister murphy > !!!!!!! > > Happy birthday big happy birthday wish going out to you, bob! make it a lovely one. love, alison e. in nyc Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 13:08:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Map of Canada revealed - --- Kakki wrote: > Kakki, going to re-scrutinize the wine glass now ;-) If you resample the image in PhotoShop to 600 dpi, crop out the wine glass and print it in landscape, then hold it up to a mirror from about 3.625 feet away, you'll find a secret message in the pixels that reads: "Hey you! Quit your job and go on welfare" Naughty, naughty Joni! Shame on you! ;-) Don Rowe (wondering if the propeller on his beanie is showing ...) ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 16:09:03 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Map of Canada revealed In a message dated 5/17/01 3:59:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > LOL, I really pored over and scrutinized the original painting looking for a > face(s) but nothing was there. Maybe Kate is right that she wouldn't give > it away. > > I don't have the litho, but what I have is the cardboard promo poster that I tore of the wall at Borders LOL I definately see a face. Wasn't Cohen from Montreal? But then again, it almost looks like that funny self portrait painting that Dylan had done rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 14:00:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: Wanna visit Joni's house? Les wrote: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/7607ad.cfm So cool, so cool ... I loved the "visit." Just about what I'd envisioned. How comfy and inspirational! Thanks, Les! Lori in DC ~~~~ http://www.unfoundation.org "It is a truly shocking fact, of which I as an African man feel ashamed, that at present in sub-Saharan Africa, adolescent girls are six times more likely to be infected with HIV than boys. ... That has to change." - -- UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 17:33:41 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Map of Canada revealed In a message dated 5/17/01 4:16:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, KakkiB@worldnet.att.net writes: > Kakki, going to re-scrutinize the wine glass now ;-) > Okay, I got out my magnifying glass and looked at the print very carefully. Because of the line "You taste so bitter and so sweet", I think Joni is drinking a glass of Torciano Vallicello which is a red sweet wine. There happens to be some excess tannin from this batch which explains the bitterness. Since the color of the wine is so light I could also guess she's drinking a Beaujolais. Being a fairly inexpensive wine, she may have drank quite a few glasses to match all the cigarette butts in the ashtray. (I can't believe the bartender would let her ashtray stay so full) I also thought that Joni might be drinking a glass of Sangiovese, which translates to "blood of love".................or she just might have been in Kakki or Steve Dulson's wine cellar chuggin down the Boonesfarm :~) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 18:50:10 -0400 From: mags Subject: Re: yankee yachts??? vljc Catherine McKay wrote: > I wrote (quoting myself? > > > This is very Canadian of Joni. We tend to lump > > all > > Americans (even southerners) together under the > > generic term "Yankees." > > and Paul said (re: my comparison between the words > "Yankee" and "Canuck") > > > [Americans] never even > > learned anything about Canada and most Americans are > > barely aware Canada even > > exists as a separate nation. > again, Miss Catherine of Aragon writes: > > < kind of like it that way!>>> and Mags the Canookian agrees whole heartedly. ;) > > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 19:28:23 -0400 From: "Stephen Epstein" Subject: yankee yachts NJC Catherine wrote: "There are a lot of very rich Americans who own cottages (ha - cottages? these are frickin' mansions more like ........There are entire lakes in Ontario and Quebec surrounded by luxury homes with yachts where the average slob, such as moi, probably wouldn't even be allowed to go. I'm sure the same thing happens in BC and that another Canadian in the west would be able to confirm. People like Goldie Hawn and Kurt Russell have these HUGE summer homes in the Muskoka area of Ontario (Lake Rosseau, or Rousseau, whatever) - the things are the size of hotels." The same thing happens all over B.C. The Gulf Islands- a continuation of the U.S. San Juan Islands- are filled with American owned weekend homes. As well, areas of Vancouver Island and the Interior of B.C. There was an interesting article in the Globe and Mail this past week, about this very thing! How Americans are snapping up property and homes right across the country, and driving up the price of real estate as a result of supply and demand. Can't say I blame them, as the U.S. $ is worth $1.60 Canadian!! Best regards, Stephen in Vancouver N.P. Sheila Chandra- This Sentence is True ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #223 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?