From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #220 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Wednesday, May 16 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 220 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 2 (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: The New Yorker Article ["hell" ] Re: New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 2 (NJC) ["hell" ] Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] 80s vs. 70s and a special concert tour-njc [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC [Catherine McKay ] Re: april 2/may 14!!!!!!!!! njc [Alison E ] The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (SJC) [Janene Otten ] sheryl crow NJC [Alison E ] Re: [Fwd: ahem, she's here] njc ["Diane Evans" ] Re: sheryl crow ,REM NJC [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: sheryl crow NJC [JRMCo1@aol.com] *@+!# & the mental blocks ["William Waddell" ] Joni covers Vols. 16, 17 & 18 go Europe ["John van Tiel" ] RE: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (NJC) [Janene Otten ] Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) [Vince Lavieri ] Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) [catman ] Joni Shadows & Light video at CD Now [anima_rising@yahoo.ca] Wonderful JMDLers (NJC) [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (NJC) ["Victor Johnson" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:14:08 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 2 (NJC) New Orleans is incomparable, culturally speaking. The vernacular they speak down there tickles me to no end. On Thursday night at the "Lousiana Jukebox" TV studios, during the pre-show buffet, Paz spotted a guy from the crew wearing some of those super-baggy, hang-from-the-hip, show-your-underwear jeans that are so popular among young rap enthusiasts and extreme skateboarders. Paz looked at him, paused, then said "Man, where did you get dem pantses?" I nearly busted a gut laughing. For the rest of my stay the term "pantses" was an inside joke among Michael, May and me. And one doesn't say "really?" down in the Big Easy. If you want to fit in, you best ask "for true?". As in "You stayed up all night for true?". The appropriate response down there on Friday morning May 4th, in my case, would be "yes, ma'am." Friday, May 4th So, I take a cab to the Fairgrounds from downtown. I'm feeling good and happy. Overjoyed really, despite eschewing slumber. The early morning funk music party is still fresh in my mind as I look forward to another stellar day of all kinds of music and joyful spectacle at the Jazzfest proper. I'm intrigued and people watch as the cab winds through the New Orleans neighborhoods. I see affluent mansions not far removed from rudimentary projects. A chill runs down my spine as I ponder what it must've been like right here during slavery days. I could almost hear screaming and bullwhips cracking, just like Neil Young sings in "Southern Man." Very near the Fairgrounds is a cemetary where they don't bury their dead, but rather entomb them above ground, lest the frequent floods float the corpses away. Not sure why I mention that, it just caught my eye. It's still an hour until the gates open when I arrive at the fairgrounds around 10:00 a.m.. I strike up a conversation about the previous day with a group from Germany and then talk to some sweet church ladies who are there to see one of their favorite singers perform in the Gospel Tent first thing that day. There's a young guy sprawled out under a tree fast asleep right by the front gate, oblivious to passersby, using the tree's root as a pillow. Maybe he was at that same party I was this morning I muse to myself as I step over him. I giggle thinking to myself, "There but for the grace of God go I." Finally the gates swing open. My cell phone battery had run out hours ago, so I walk over to the Lagniappe stage and inquire of one of the guys in Michael's crew, Jay, what time Paz's "call" would be. He hadn't arrived quite yet. I tell Jay about my all night adventures. He nods knowingly and then leads me into the air-conditioned building behind the stage that is inaccessible to the public. "You can chill here and nap until Paz arrives" he said, smiling as he opened the door to the jockey's dressing rooms where there are lockers, showers and a small bedroom with a lockable door. "I'll let Paz know you're in here when he gets in." I thank him profusely, take a shower, then it's beddy bye-bye for awhile. I sleep briefly, but soundly. Jay tells me that Paz is waiting for me over at the Sprint stage when I awake, so I head over. May and jmdler Diane and her friends have already hooked up and are off shopping at the arts and crafts booths, Paz tells me. On this day, Paz has two headsets on, one for each ear, one for audio production and one for video. At times it's tough for me to discern during our conversation whether he's talking to me or whoever is on the other end of the headsets, because he's doing it all. The guy is Mr. Musical Multi-task. Diane, May, Peggy, Mary and Joanie arrive at the stage from their shopping excursion. Michael gives us all Artist's passes and we all head over to the huge Acura stage to catch Wilson Pickett's set as Michael ducks back stage to go back to work. We're all hugs and giggles on the walk over and I've got lots of 'splaining to do about my night before. It's all good. We're all having a ball. When we get to the Wilson Pickett venue we decide that we're better off watching it from the wings on the large video screens for this one, as the crowd at that stage is daunting at the moment. We head back to the Sprint stage in time to catch Keb Mo's set from the reserved-for-artists section up in front. He's fabulous, doing material from his new album solo and with an accompanying guitarist. I love his new song "Change" and I recall Bob Muller mentioning Mo's work here on the list. I begin to wish that Bob and Kakki and Alison and Nikki and Ashara and Rose and MG and all my JMDL friends could be here, cause it's all too beautiful. After Keb Mo's set, we mosey back to the Acura stage where Paul Simon is half-way through his set. Paz shows up in a cart somehow and I ride with him to pick up pizza for his crew. We find May and she hops on too, and we go back to the Sprint stage to make our plans for the evening. Upon leaving the fairgrounds, Paz drops May and me off to catch my friends' band at Checkpoint Charlie's while Micheal heads over to the Ugly Dog where he plays a set of his own with friends. May and I eat a great leisurely dinner at a quaint old Thai restaurant near Checkpoint Charlie's before heading by cab over to the Ugly Dog uptown. When we arrive we meet the JMDL's own Willy the Shake, who can shake it indeed we find out, as he's dancing to the D'Amphibians, already in progress. Diane and company are there too, so the JMDL party ensues in earnest. We buy each other drinks left and right. Sweet Mary, who is also from the UK, like Willy, is drinking a strange concoction of beer and 7up. I have a cosmopolitan and a tequila shot, then switch to Cape Cods midstream. Around 3 a.m. we finally pack the gear and head back to Paz's. We're all beat. I fall asleep as soon as my head hits the pillow, but with a big smile on my face. Tomorrow is another day... (End of Part 2) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:19:01 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article Catherine wrote: > I think in my case it's not so much "devotion to Joni" > but perhaps failure to appreciate Bob Dylan. What is > it precisely about him that's supposed to be so > innovative? I don't find his music particularly "new" > - his music IMO is pretty predictable. Is it the > lyrics? I agree that Joni does pay him tribute, and > I'm not trying to be sarcastic, or a pain in the ass - > I just don't get it! Somebody please enlighten me! First of all, happy belated birthday! Now since my stupid computer froze on me the last time I tried to write this, I'll try again! I love Bob Dylan. I don't think his music is as good as Joni's (my opinion, obviously) but he is an incredible poet. But I think David Crosby said it best in a video I've got. To paraphrase: "You had rock'n'roll with lots of great chord changes, but limited poetry, and it ran smack into folk music, with limited chord changes but great, great words." Dylan was one of the first to merge the two into a new music, and I guess he was the fore-runner of the singer-songwriters of the 60's and 70's, who felt there was more to say in a pop song than "I love you." Some great lyrics from "It's Alright, Ma (I'm Only Bleeding) - actually the whole song is superb: While one who sings with his tongue on fire Gargles in the rat race choir Bent out of shape from society's pliers Cares not to come up any higher But rather get you down in the hole That he's in. But I mean no harm nor put fault On anyone that lives in a vault But it's alright, Ma, if I can't please him. Check out the album "Bringing It All Back Home", and it might help enlighten you! Take care, Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:39:05 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 2 (NJC) Julius wrote: > When we arrive we meet the JMDL's own Willy the Shake, who can shake it indeed we find out, as he's dancing to the D'Amphibians, already in progress. Diane and company are there too, so the JMDL party ensues in earnest. We buy each other drinks left and right. Sweet Mary, who is also from the UK, like Willy, is drinking a strange concoction of beer and 7up. I have a cosmopolitan and a tequila shot, then switch to Cape Cods midstream. Wow, I wish I'd been there - it sounds like you had an incredible time! But I just have to chip in here about the "strange concoction" of beer and 7up. This is known in the UK (and NZ) as a shandy. Beer (usually lager) and lemonade. It tends to be my drink of choice in the summer (in bars, that is) becaue (a) it tastes good, (b) the rate I drink beer when it's hot is usually three times that of my companions, so it means I can stay coherent a lot longer, and (c) it's generally cheaper! It also means that if I'm driving and REALLY feel like a beer, I can have two or three weak shandies, and still be under the legal limit, while indulging my craving for the amber liquid. Very important for safety, and in view of our very strict drink-driving laws. Hope you're all feeling a little more enlightened with that mundane, and utterly irrelevant message. Thank you, and I'll shut up now. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:46:43 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC (md) I probably wont be the first to point this out but Surfin' USA was a Beach Boys song obviously not a Chuck Berry song. I try to imagine Chuck surfing but my brain twists. Dylans contribution was to open the door to the use of more esoteric and sophisticated phrasing and metaphoric content in lyrics. Before him it was alot of simple rhymes and phrases. After Dylan it was OK to say pretty much anything you wanted to in song. I dont give much credit to Bob D. for what Joni M. did but without Bob D. Im not sure Bruce Springsteen does what he does the way he does it. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:35:55 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: 80s vs. 70s and a special concert tour-njc BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Janis (a long-time favorite of mine) has become a > kick-ass guitar player and her voice has grown stronger with age; I saw Janis Saturday night and can attest to her fabulous shows. That guitar of hers is a wonder. Two interesting quotes from her recent Australian tour: "If one kid coming out can say to their parents, 'Hey, you know the woman who sang At Seventeen, she's gay too,' then I have achieved something good." - --Janis Ian to the Adelaide, Australia, newspaper Blaze, April 6. <><><18><><> "Do you honestly think Elton [John] could have managed to get on the Grammy's without a stunt like that [the duet with Eminem]?" - --Singer Janis Ian to the Adelaide, Australia, newspaper Blaze, April 6. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:10:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #216 -- 80s vs. 70s and a special concert tour - --- BRYAN8847@aol.com wrote: > Also, many of you may be interested in a special > concert series coming up > during much of the rest of this year: The Judy > Collins Wildflower Festival, > featuring Judy, Roger McGuinn, Janis Ian and Richie > Havens (and perhaps > others). > Not so > familiar with Richie, but I'm sure he'll round out > the show well. Richie Havens is wonderful - you will enjoy him, I'm sure of it. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:11:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC So, what's your point? ;) - --- Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > Chuck Berry, 1963: > If everybody had an ocean > Across the U. S. A. > Then everybody'd be surfin' > Like Californi-a > > Bob Dylan, 1965: > You say I let you down > You know it's not like that > If you're so hurt > Why then don't you show it Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 09:13:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC - --- Kakki wrote: > > > Yeah, but those surf, sand and sun songs were great > for getting one out of a > funk and up to dance, or prodding one out of > adolescent self-absorption to > get out in the fresh air and sunshine. Or, as Joan once said, "Fuck it. Tonight I'm going dancing." Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:11:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: april 2/may 14!!!!!!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > > may 11: SARA* [yes, sara apostrophe]\ > may 12: kelly loughran > > and today, may 14 proper, MR. gerry from the UK is > finally coming of age!> signed: happy birthday wishes to sara, kelly, gerry and of course CATHERINE OF ARAGON! hope you all had great days. alison e. in nyc ps: happy birthday to everyone else i forgot to mention... np: joni, moon at the window Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:37:53 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (SJC) Lori wrote: > "Nowadays, you can't trust anyone UNDER 30!" * > Tra-la-la ... so glad to be back on the left side of the fence, > Lori > in DC> * No offense intended to the under-30s on the JMDL ... I know > you ROCK! Since we're hovering around the topic of being 30, did anyone else experience the major BLAHS when they passed three decades??? I had heard it said that 30 was a milestone but I didn't think I'd really feel like I walked barefoot of miles of STONE! Perhaps it is just the ragweed and pollen... And now for my Joni content: I first want to say thanks to Ashara for all the Joni stuff I've been holding and drooling over these days. The videos are so inspiring and although I wasn't even a twinkle in me mother's eye at the time of some of the recordings, I do feel that kindred connection to the moments on screen. (yes, I did well up with a few tears...) I am sorry that I once again will not be able to attend the Jonifest. I always visit a friend in Virginia and it's really the only weekend I get to hang out there and camp on the beautiful acreage in the James River Valley. Have a great time! (Hey, maybe I can video tape my song and take the afternoon slot that is open!) If anyone knows who Steve Sandberg is (musician) and would like to attend a show of his at the Knitting Factory in NYC with me, let me know. janeneo@mji.com And thanks for the synthesizer history lessons. Love you guys! Janene np: Paul McCartney: Wingspan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 07:41:41 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: sheryl crow NJC ok, i just have to tell someone about my cool night last night. man, why did i move to new york? oh yeah, because of this kind of thing... a bartender/friend let me in on a little tip that sheryl crow was popping up sporadically at a club here in new york city called shine, and i am a pretty big sheryl crow fan. nikki, two weeks ago, stevie nicks showed up and played with her, as well as keith richards. this club has a max capacity of about 300 people. so, i call my friend and say, what the hell, we might as well try to get in. its all word of mouth, i guess, and positive mental attitude. so we go down, get in line and try to figure out what to do next when this boy walks up to us and says, hey do you need tickets? whoo hooo! so, we go in, and there i am less than 10 feet away from sheryl crow. her special guests that night were steve earle and mike mills from REM. i kept hoping michael stipe would show, but to no avail. anyhow, it was AMAZING! sheryl was just kicking ass, playing allman brothers and led zeppelin and all kinds of crazy 70's rock mixed in with her own stuff. i had to keep pinching myself. of course, i didnt get home until 2 am, and am now having to endure dirty looks from my boss for being late to work. BUT IT WAS WORTH IT!!! alison e. in nyc np: sheryl crow, of course. Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 10:00:41 -0500 From: "Diane Evans" Subject: Re: [Fwd: ahem, she's here] njc Evian and Tracy, Wishing you and your little one every blessing and joy to be had! What a wonderful thing it is to re-discover the world through your child's eyes: take care to enjoy each and every moment! Diane _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:07:53 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: sheryl crow ,REM NJC In a message dated 5/15/01 10:55:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time, alisone4@yahoo.com writes: > her special guests > that night were steve earle and mike mills from REM. i > kept hoping michael stipe would show, but to no avail. > Speaking of which, R.E.M. will perform on Late Night with David Letterman this evening. rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 11:27:17 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: sheryl crow NJC Alison writes: <> How cool, Alison! I was just watching an interview with Stevie Nicks on the Today Show minutes ago. She talked at length about her friendship with Sheryl Crow and how Sheryl was a major player on 6 songs on Stevie's new CD. I'm guessing that's at least part of why Stevie was in NY. I love that Big Apple and am looking forward to being there in less than 2 weeks. I'd love to find this kind of gem of a performance while there. All I wanna do is have some fun. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:28:29 From: "William Waddell" Subject: *@+!# & the mental blocks Catherine wrote about Dylan; <<>> Do this for one week! I suggest you don't play anything from your music collection that's after 1964. If you're listening to the radio/TV, switch it off if anything post 64 comes on. Seriously listen to what was being produced until then. Sure there's good Elvis, Chuck Berry, Buddy Holly, Beatles, Dylan et al. It's a one for the money, .......Roll over Ludwig, ...... Pretty pretty pretty pretty Peggy Sue, ...... Please please play this song I wanna bore you, ....... How many times can a man play this song?, ......Then ask yourself where all this was going. After one week, play yourself any Dylan song from Blonde on Blonde. If you don't have to pick yourself up off the floor, go back and do it again but this time for a month. Vee haff vaze ov making you ........ Ha! I kinda know how you feel Catherine. I put it down to a mental block. I have a mental block about Loose Windscreen (Bored in the USA) and also Billy Joel and many others. I'm a Joni fascist. Some folks just cannot stand Joni. It's one big mystery. The mystery is, I'm not quite sure why I'm writing this. Woke up and felt in a jolly mood. If you wanna know why contact me off line. Clue; Just received the Hissing demos from SCBobGuy. I love Dreamland!!!!!! Bazzzooozzzies an' all. Willy the Shake _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 08:41:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Why Bob Dylan? (NJC) I'm not at all convinced that Dylan was the "first person" to actually bring more challenging, deeper emotional material & free expression to the world of the popular song. What I think history shows us is, we were even then a culture of celebrity, and that Dylan was the first artist to "make it big" doing such material naturally garnered him the credit for it's invention. It's still a point capable of question ... Don Rowe ===== Visit me anytime at http://www.mp3.com/donrowe Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 17:42:36 +0200 From: "John van Tiel" Subject: Joni covers Vols. 16, 17 & 18 go Europe Volumes 16, 17 & 18 of Bob Muller's amazing Covers & Contributions have reached Bob's franchise department in mainland Europe. Anyone from Europe (including UK Eurosceptics) who would like to have copies of these great CDs - -- Bob's well never seems to dry out! - may contact me. I'll be glad to spread the music. John ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 19:00:12 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Wrong_date_-_it=B4s_not_May_15th=2C_but...?= the 24th of May, so if you want to send Karin - down there in Germany - your birthday greetings, please keep this date in mind, and here we go again: Mauski4648@aol.com. Thanks (especially to our well known Birthday Fairy, who surely will remember this date), Helga - just another one from down there - and it seems that we are the only ones in Germany. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:12:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) - --- Janene Otten wrote: > > Since we're hovering around the topic of being 30, > did anyone else > experience the major BLAHS when they passed three > decades??? I had heard it > said that 30 was a milestone but I didn't think I'd > really feel like I > walked barefoot of miles of STONE! Perhaps it is > just the ragweed and > pollen... 30 didn't affect me at all. 40 is a whole 'nother story. Nowadays I feel so OLD and my joints remind me every day. I've heard that turning 50 is supposed to be good for most people, though God knows why! I hope they're right! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:50:17 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) (md) <<<30 didn't affect me at all. 40 is a whole 'nother story. Nowadays I feel so OLD and my joints remind me every day. I've heard that turning 50 is supposed to be good for most people, though God knows why! I hope they're right!>>> Growing old(er) is like Karate. You must look beyond your target to succeed. If your target is a certain age you will feel old when you get there. If on the other hand you are planning on playing softball, making love, and singing on your 100th birthday you will still feel young at 80. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:53:07 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: [Fwd: ahem, she's here] njc Catherine wrote about Rob and Tracy's wonderful news: > This is just the beginning, my friend - you have now > entered the world of parenthood, which means you'll be > a sentimental fool for a loooonnnnng time! > No Kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My second eldest son, Jesse, is graduating on Sunday, and so far, I have cried at every "last" event. (Last acappella performance, last prom, last men's chorus, etc., etc., etc.) Hugs, Ashara (waaaaaaaaaaa, sniff, sniff, waaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 13:56:55 -0500 From: cvickery@danielrealty.com Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) Janene said <> And Catherine replied <<30 didn't affect me at all. 40 is a whole 'nother story. >> Let me chime in with my $0.02 here..... 30 didn't bother me at all, either. But 31 kicked my butt BIG TIME. I guess you spend your whole youth thinking "By the time I'm 30, I'll do this and that....." And I hadn't done any of that stuff. But when I still hadn't when I turned 31, it became crystal clear to me that I wasn't getting any closer to it, either. Yuck! And here I am, closing in on 40 (SO quickly), with the same starry eyes and dreams, but no closer to achieving them. Guess that just makes me a half-full glass kinda girl in a half-empty glass reality. Cindy, calculating how many days I have left to get my shit together before turning 41. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 12:31:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Alison E Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (NJC) - --- Janene Otten wrote: > Since we're hovering around the topic of being 30, > did anyone else > experience the major BLAHS when they passed three > decades??? i will turn 30 next january, and i'm kind of excited about it actually. which doesnt explain why i went out wiht a 25 year old last night to a "secret" rock concert and stayed out late late on a weeknight. i'm positively in denial. ;-) but hey, at least i didnt stay out ALL NIGHT LONG--JULIUS! > If anyone knows who Steve Sandberg is (musician) and > would like to attend a > show of his at the Knitting Factory in NYC with me, > let me know. i dont know who he is, but i am also up for adventure and havent been to the knitting factory in years. what's he like? alison e. in nyc np: joni, blue, richard Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:41:18 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: RE: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (NJC) Oh, I don't let a few blahs keep me from staying out late. =) Steve Sandberg is actually a composer who concentrates on World Music and he works in his midi studio quite a bit. He is an accomplished piano player and a very good one at that. Let me know if you want to come. I will let you know if anything changes but it should be next Tuesday the 22nd. Peace, Janene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:28:34 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) Catherine McKay wrote: > 30 didn't affect me at all. 40 is a whole 'nother > story. Unfortunately I agree abouyt turning 30 vs 40. Is it time for me to start singing "Lather" again? Jim Lamadoo, do you still have that old post of mine on Lather? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 16:29:45 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (SJC) In a message dated 5/15/01 10:53:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JaneneO@mji.com writes: << Since we're hovering around the topic of being 30, did anyone else experience the major BLAHS when they passed three decades??? I had heard it said that 30 was a milestone but I didn't think I'd really feel like I walked barefoot of miles of STONE! Perhaps it is just the ragweed and pollen... >> Astrologically speaking, 30 is about the time one completes his or her first Saturn return, which has an orbit of about 29 Earth years. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:23:14 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) I am 42. Turning 40 was BRILLIANT! I never want to go back. I don't feel 42. i feel 16. I still find astonishing that some people I know my age have grown up children. i still look upon other adults as 'grown ups'. My 40's are fantastic. Whoever it was that said youth is wasted on the young was right. I don't fancy getting wrinkled and infirm but absoilutely no way would I want to be young again. Unless I could knock off twenty physical years but stay as I am now both mentally and spirtiually. Good things about my 40's:. Liking and accepting myself as I am not what others think I ought to be,, not giving a damn whether others like me or not, less horny, doing as I please instead of doing to please, wearing what makes me feel comfortable, speaking my mind instead of what I think you want to hear, having opinions of my own, having no family, having a God of my own understanding not someone else's, just being. bw colin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 14:43:22 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) I hate aging and the passage of time. I am forever in a state of abject dread. I wish time would stop forever. - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:58:00 +0100 From: "Rob Ettridge" Subject: Shawn Colvin rarity with Joni content (for UK jmdlers) A week or so ago, Catherine kindly offered to the list a Shawn Colvin radio performance featuring versions of 'Urge for Going' and 'Conversation' among others. I now have a copy of this disc - and it's a real find - so if anyone in the UK wants a copy on a 'blanks-and-postage' basis, then feel free to contact me off-list (robettridge@hotmail.com). Of course, if you don't have access to blank CDs, contact me anyway, and we can sort something out. Rob NP - Willy Porter - Rita (live) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 18:19:41 EDT From: Coyote4Joni@aol.com Subject: Brian Wilson and Chuck Berry (NJC) I was also confused by Lama's credit to Chuck Berry for the Surfin' U.S.A. I initially thought Jim may have mixed up Jan Berry and Chuck Berry and Brian Wilson. I knew of some early collaboration of Jan Berry and Brian Wilson and, when I saw the last name Berry after SUSA, I always thought it was erroneously credited to Jan Berry. So, during an usually boring day at work today, I dug into the Internet and this is what I found on Brian Wilson's unofficial website: Surfin U.S.A. Written by: Chuck Berry/Brian Wilson Produced by: Nik Venet Recording date: January 31, 1963 Take Number: Master Number: 38062 Time: 2:28 Lead Vocal by: Mike Originally appeared on: Surfin' U.S.A. Subsequently appeared on: Best of the Beach Boys; Endless Summer; Made In U.S.A.; Good Vibrations Boxed Set; 20 Good Vibrations Notes: Brian took Chuck Berry's "Sweet Little Sixteen" and (with "research help" from his then-girlfriend's brother, Jimmy Bowles) added surf lyrics and came up with this song. The first really great Beach Boys track. Because Brian "plaugarized" SLS, Chuck Berry's publishers sued for the writer's credit of SUSA; the initial settlement was that Berry would get full credit for the song. On the track's subsequent appearences, Chuck Berry would get full writing credits until the 1993 Good Vibrations box set and the 1995 20 Good Vibrations CD, whcih would carry the "Berry/Wilson" credit. One song that people identify with the Beach Boys the most. Good Vibrations Box Set starts with Brian's original piano demo of SUSA. Live versions of SUSA are included on 1973's In Concert album and on CD 5 of the Good Vibrations box set (that track was an outtake from 1964's Concert album). Noises: 2:02, 2:08, 2:14, 2:20 Brian yells "good" after every "Everybody's gone surfin', surfin' U.S.A." Single: Capitol 4932 A-side with: Shut Down Released on: 3/4/63 Charted on: 3/23/63 Reached: 3 Me again: Then on Jan and Dean's official site, Dean recalls in his Jan and Dean biography: "About a week later, Jan, Brian, Mike, Carl, Dennis, David and I all got together at Western Recording Studios in Hollywood, California and we recorded the two surf songs and it felt like magic once again! After the recording session was over, Brian wanted to give Jan and me a preview of his next record. He belted out "Surfin' USA". We were floored, what a totally bitchen song! Jan immediately tried to talk Brian into giving the song to Jan & Dean but Brian wasn't about to give it away but he did say that he had a similar song that was only partially completed and that he would be more than happy to give that song to Jan & Dean. The title of that song was "Surf City". We loved that song too as well, so we gladly took it." Me again for the last time: So, Ms. Kakki, you were right, Berry didn't write the lyrics, and Jim was right as well. For some time, Berry was singularly credited for the whole song. Good catch, Lama! No regrets, Coyote Rick Casa Alegre Hollywood, California ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 15:59:47 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC (md) MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: > I probably wont be the first to point this out but Surfin' USA was a Beach > Boys song obviously not a Chuck Berry song. I try to imagine Chuck surfing > but my brain twists. You are right, Surfin' USA was written by the Beach Boys-the lyrics were, anyway. The song is attributed to Chuck Berry because he successfully sued them, saying it was a direct copy of his "Sweet Little Sixteen". Bob Dylan's influence on The Beatles has been acknowledged by Lennon-it seems George Harrison sat him down and said 'Listen To This'-Lennon wrote his own heavily influenced Dylan-type song, "You've Got To Hide Your Love Away" in 1965 (a veiled reference to their homosexual manager, Brian Epstien, in the days when being in the closet was a given). The Beatles realized there was room to say more in a song than "She Loves You Yeah, Yeah, Yeah". Dylan also introduced the Beatles to marijuana (which the Supreme Court blockheads yesterday decided American citizens should not be allowed to use as medication, good thing they are looking after our well being-I'm sure they went and had a stiff consciousness-lowering drink after session BUT I DIGRESS) while they were in NY. Dylan said he thought they knew all about pot, after all, they had that song "I Get HIIIIGH...." Well, they said, actually it's "I Can't Hide". He said to the Beatles 'where do you get those chords?' and they said 'where do you get those words?'. I saw Dylan's son Jacob of the Wallflowers in concert on TV and Springsteen came on. It was then I realized that Jacob Dylan's act is basically an imitation of Springsteen's, which is itself a (poor IMO) imitation of Dylan's. Funny how the circle turns around. Dylan's lyrical genius is undeniable. Check out the words to "Tangled Up In Blue" "You Ain't Goin' Nowhere" "A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall" "Dignity" & "Jokerman" for starters. Dylan and Joni are the king and queen of rock lyrics. No one else comes close. RR ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 00:17:21 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) How terrible for you. We can do nothing about it. We are heading towards the adventure of death regardless of what we may think. I undertsand the dread but in the end it was better to let it go, accept I was going to leave this physical world whether or not I wanted to. I am also ageing and yes, that is not exactly good in the physical, but again there is fuck all we can do about it. Oh we can run our arses off, go to plastic surgeons and spend our lives running in fear-or we can accpet and enjoy what we have here and now and let tomorrow take care of itself. We each create tomorrow for ourselves by how we think. Take care of how we think and tomorrow will take care of itself. Dread today and tomorrow will be hell. believe that ageing and tomorrow are something to be feared and you will fear them and suffer. Most suffering is down to what we believe, how we interpret our experience. It can all be changed. you reall CAN change your world. Just change your self. jan gyn wrote: > I hate aging and the passage of time. I am forever in a state of abject > dread. I wish time would stop forever. > -jan - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:58:54 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (now NJC) i like having birthdays. i don't like getting old. you know: it's not the bullet that kills you; it's the hole. and yet, i like daddies more than anything else, and one wouldn't have daddies without the blessed aging process. when i was about to turn 40, i thought i would have a hemorrhage. but looking back, 30 was the real BIG DIVIDE. socially, a thirtysomething is NOT young anymore. in fact after 23, you are old, at least in argentina. when i chat on gay.com, my profile usually includes ''for older men only''. 27-year-olds private me!!!!!! in their book 27 is OLD. when i tell people i'm 40, they say, ''oh you don't look 40!'' i don't find that very complimentary somehow... wallyK, who would never want to be 16 again. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:08:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (SJC) - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > Astrologically speaking, 30 is about the time one > completes his or her first > Saturn return, which has an orbit of about 29 Earth > years. > So THAT'S why I have those rings around my middle! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 20:01:25 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Another "Almost Famous" Thread Hey guys, This might have been mentioned when "Almost Famous" was all the talk on this list. I was watching the noon news today and they had the regular movie reviewer talking about all the foibles in the movies today, like for instance, in "Erin Brockovich", where Erin and her boss are talking about the lawsuit with the chemical companies' reps, there's a stack of papers in front of one of the lawyers that is close to him but in a different shot it's two or three feet in front of him. Anyways, she mentioned how "Almost Famous" took place in 1969, but "Blue" didn't come out until 1971. I don't know of the "Blue" reference in AF since I never saw it. But hey, I saw "Erin Brockovich"! Going back under my rock to read all of the "intelligent" posts.... Mark Domyancich mark@jmdl.com Check out the Joni Mitchell guitar archive: http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 22:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: anima_rising@yahoo.ca Subject: Joni Shadows & Light video at CD Now - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Catherine Mckay thought you would enjoy this movie and requested that we send this email to you. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checking in on the CD-Now site via JoniMitchell.com, I found that Shadows & Light is available in both video and DVD - the DVD version is cheaper (!) @ US$38.47 (30 % off). Note though - it does say "backorder - - no ship date available." Wonder if it's a trial balloon? 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I had the unpleasant experience of having to put my 6 year old Yorkie, Maxine to rest on Friday. Although it was in her best interest, it's been really hard on me these past few days. On Saturday, I get a package in the mail from Holland. It seems that our wonderful John van Tiel had read my rave comments of Lydia Van Dam who did an entire album of Joni songs. I have all of Mr. Muller's covers CD's, and he's put most of her songs on the collection. Still I wanted an entire album of Lydia. I've never heard anyone sing Joni songs the way this woman does. Each time I commented on one of Lydia's covers, Bob would say how the CD is almost impossible to get. Little did I know, that my favorite Dutchman (Uncle John) put the word out in Holland. He contacted fellow JMDLer Monica (also from Holland) to see if she could find Lydia's "Both Sides Now." Monica managed to find this out of print CD and mailed it to me. Lydia captures Joni's songs in such a soulful jazz style. The amazing thing is that I didn't ask John or Monica to search Amsterdam and the rest of Holland for this CD. I didn't send an SASE, beg, bargain, or plead. They just read some of my comments on the JMDL, and did the rest. This is one of the reasons why I love this community so much. This was sent to me because they have such BIG HEARTS. Thank you Holland for having such wonderful and caring people as John and Monica. Many hugs to you all! Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:30:01 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: The blahs a.k.a. turning 30 (NJC) > << Since we're hovering around the topic of being 30, did anyone else > experience the major BLAHS when they passed three decades??? I had heard it > said that 30 was a milestone but I didn't think I'd really feel like I > walked barefoot of miles of STONE! Perhaps it is just the ragweed and > pollen... >> The ragweed and the pollen have been kicking my ass all year so far...at times I've been completely fed up but somehow I'm managing to overcome it all. In a way, all these hardships have motivated me to believe more in dreams and manifesting them. I recently had my cello completely worked over, the neck rebuilt, so that it plays now much smoother than I ever imagined it could. I'm practicing every day and I think I'm starting to see some progress. There is nothing like being lost in its mournful sound, going from note to note, always striving for a sweeter tone. It is this sort of philosophy that I am starting to adopt in my life, seeking more beauty in the midst of strife. Victor ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:35:03 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Why Bob Dylan? NJC (md) << You are right, Surfin' USA was written by the Beach Boys-the lyrics were, anyway. The song is attributed to Chuck Berry because he successfully sued them, saying it was a direct copy of his "Sweet Little Sixteen". >> And besides that, I would NEVER try to prove Dylan superior to Brian Wilson OR Chuck Berry...they are all 3 profound in their own ways...whoever listed the grouping of folks that wouldn't have happened without Dylan, add Dylan to the list and you could say that they wouldn't have happened without Chuck Berry. His impact on the music cannot be overstated. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:42:38 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Wonderful JMDLers (NJC) << This was sent to me because they have such BIG HEARTS. >> Yes indeed, Jimmy, John & Monica are 2 WONDEFUL souls! Is it coincidence, or is it something about Holland! :~) Now I s'pose that I'll send the copy of the Lydia van Dam *I* was going to send you to Ashara for a Jonifest giveaway...there's still a few more tracks that'll show up on the Covers series (including a really sweet "Love"), as this CD is out of print should anyone want a copy of it, it's only an e-mail away! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 23:45:19 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Music Slut arrived at the home of "The Boss" today NJC << LOL I'm sure he's gonna tell you just what a dumb shit I am. >> Well, that wasn't EXACTLY my agenda, sweet Rosalita! :~D But I gotta couple stories to tell on the night but they'll have to wait til tomorrow! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 21:46:51 -0700 From: "Craig Harris" Subject: FW: [weather-report] Live chat session with Ingrid Pastorius ("Invitation") (njc) Thought I'd post this for those interested. - -----Original Message----- From: jzawinul@yahoo.it [mailto:jzawinul@yahoo.it] Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 6:25 AM To: weather-report@yahoogroups.com Subject: [weather-report] Live chat session with Ingrid Pastorius ("Invitation") Hi all fellow WR fans! Hi Anil! This message to invite you at next chat session of the Joe Zawinul Italian Fansite, planned for tomorrow (May 16th) at 3:00 PM U.S. Eastern time (9 PM in Italy). Ingrid Pastorius will be our special guest in that event, and we'll have the possibility to "talk" with alot of other Zawinul, WR and Jaco fans. The primary language of the chat session is English. To enter in the chatroom, simply connect with a Java-enabled browser to: http://www.zawinulfans.org/chat.htm, wait some minutes while the Java applet is loaded, choose a username and click on the "Connect" button. For more assistance an help page is available at: http://www.zawinulfans.org/helpchat.htm We hope to have you as our guest, best wishes, Marco. Joe Zawinul Italian Fansite http://www.zawinulfans.org/index.htm This message was generated by the weather-report mailing list hosted at ONElist. To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit http://www.onelist.com. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 May 2001 01:14:17 -0700 From: Michael Paz Subject: Bad Days and Good days (NJC) As far as days go, today was one of those shit ones. I started my day by burying another friend I have known for just shy of 30 years. Sally Stewart Halm was her name and we were big time pals in the old days. She had been fighting diabetes for many years now and for the past year it got the best of her. After she fell and broke her hip and she started losing fingers and toes it never got better. My other friend Sally called me a couple weeks ago that she had been admitted to intensive care and it didn't look good. I agreed to go see her with her and then couldn't. I feel terrible about that. I think to myself that I hope my friends could have the strength to see me if I were on my way out. She was an incredible talent and wrote so many things that I still have tucked away. I pressed one of those poems she had written for me into her sisters hand in church this morning and promised to find the rest of what I have for her son Wyatt (we always loved that name). With every shade of color on every artists palette and if I were the worlds most acclaimed master of the brush I couldn't begin to capture just how much you mean to me for man has not yet found the colours I would need to paint my magic wonder a masterpiece of love With every word poured from every poets heart and if I had mastered the art of writing my emotions into beautiful sonnets My pen would be in awe when it found no words in any tongue to express just how much you mean to me For man has not yet heard the words I would use to describe what's in my heart the beauty that is you. Sally Stewart 12-6-74 for michael I am happy that she is no longer suffering and was glad I had the time we had to know each other and it reminds me of all the special times I have with the many friends I am blessed with. Thanks for letting me share this with you guys, I know most of you will understand. To top the bad part of the day off Julian fell twice today and bumped his head really badly and then Mikey got hit in the head with a baseball and also lost the game (they now 3-1). They are both ok and sleeping now as I should be. On the other hand, I did have a call from Jonatha's manager today, inviting me out to their show at HOB on June 17. Calling me almost a month early, I was really blown away (like I would plan on being anywhere on the planet on that day. It's been on my calender for weeks now (okay so if Joan were to call me and invite me out to dinner I might have to miss the show, but I digress...And I was cheered up by a great movie called the Wonder Boys (which I highly recommend). One of those crazy ones that makes you laugh out loud. Anyways, I am ok and just felt like being with people I love. Hope you are all well. Hug yourselves for me. Love Paz NP-Because I Told You So-Jonatha Live Solo Acoustic ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #220 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?