From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #218 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 15 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 218 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Stevie Nicks new one NJC ["hell" ] NJC - kobus/SA ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: The New Yorker Article ["hell" ] New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 1 (NJC) [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: Best 2 made-up CD's - JONI GOLD [Kobus Louwrens ] Re: howdy and questions questions questions [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Both Eyes open and Breathing (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 1 (NJC) [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Moog (NJC) ["c Karma" ] Re: computer question njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The New Yorker Article [Catherine McKay ] Re: Both Eyes open and Breathing (NJC) [Catherine McKay ] Re: California (totally NJC) [MP123A321@aol.com] RE: computer question njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The New Yorker Article [Relayer211@aol.com] Freundschaft - diese wunderbare Balance.... [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltg] Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: The New Yorker Article [Catherine McKay ] Re: The New Yorker Article [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: The New Yorker Article (NJC) ["Lori R. Fye" ] Re: The New Yorker Article [Catherine McKay ] music scheduling for Labor Day JoniFest [Anne Sandstrom ] april 2!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] one more email about music scheduling for JoniFest [asandstrom@macromedia] Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc [RoseMJoy@aol.com] Re: Moog njc [Randy Remote ] Re: The New Yorker Article njc [mags ] Re: april 2!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc [catman ] Re: april 2!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Moog njc [Catherine McKay ] Re: Best 2 made-up CD's - JONI GOLD ["Mark or Travis" ] computer question njc ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:43:06 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: Stevie Nicks new one NJC Kerry wrote: > Just wanted to add my opinion on Stevie's > new album. Two thumbs way up!!!! whew! I wasn't sure if I would like it, > but gave it a chance. There's a really nice variety of songs, good guitar, > and great collaborations. The duet with Macy Gray is cosmic. It's like they > were separated at birth!!!!!!! > > Other opinions? Nikki? Hell??? I haven't actually heard it yet, so I can't give an opinion! Available funds are severely lacking at present, so this may be a birthday present to myself in July. Mind you, Stevie hasn't disappointed me yet, so I'm quietly confident! Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:41:04 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: NJC - kobus/SA hi kobus >Kobus louwrens wrote >I listened to it the other day on a sunny autumn morning (the season down >here in South Africa) ive been meaning to ask you - how did/is it going with that whole pagad/subpoena story (that was you right??) ron (the other capetonian on the list - till the month end. i really cannot believe i am giving this up to go & live in pretoria!!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 22:46:01 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article Bob wrote: > Joni's said several times that when she first heard "You've got a lot of > nerve, to say that I'm your friend" she realized that the sky was the limit > as far as subject matter & lyrics were concerned. > > Still, I think she would have wandered along the same path and ended up where > she did without him...that talent and her search for truth & beauty was > already instilled in her from the start. I totally agree here. I think Joni has always openly acknowledged Bob's contribution to song-writing etc. but I think even without his influence, that creative muse would have been too much to hold back. Hasn't she said she started singing to pay her way through art-school? I imagine that would have happened regardless of who else was writing at the time. Hell ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 07:12:44 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 1 (NJC) I'm having a wonderful life. It's been a week since the end of the New Orleans Jazz and Heritage Fest, but the sweet music is still playing in my head and I can still taste the crawfish, jambalaya, po' boys and crab cakes. I still feel the temperate sun and soft breeze and am still basking in the heart-warming glow of the "jazzfest spirit," a hybrid groove that is part southern hospitality, part communal love-in, and 100% music worship. I've never experienced anything quite like it. You don't know what it means to miss New Orleans until you've been to Jazzfest. But as I was saying, I'm singularly blessed. I've got the best friend in the world down in the Crescent City and Atty May and I and my 20 or so friends that came down from the San Francisco Bay area were treated like royalty, with the red carpet rolled out before us everywhere we went...thanks to one amazing individual. They say James Brown is the hardest working man in show business, but I'm here to tell you that the torch has been passed to one J. Michael Paz. He's a musical whirling dervish. He orchestrated audio and video production for about 100 shows over the Jazzfest fortnight, but never stopped being the best host one could ever dream of to his friends old and new. My every waking minute was filled with music, wonder and Michael's awesome, jaw-dropping surprises. Thanks a million, Michael. I could go on and on with my Paz admiration and appreciation, but I'll cut to my chronology. Wednesday night, May 2nd Arrive in New Orleans. My plane lands at around 10 p.m. just after May's and Paz scoops us up and takes us to his home in the bayou. We're all smiles and excitement about what the coming week would bring on the drive to Chez Paz. We have a couple of tequilas when we arrive and are greeted by his wonderful and super-hospitable wife, Freda...then off to bed. Thursday, May 3rd Michael heads to the fairgrounds early while we're still sleeping. Freda kindly drives us in around 11:00, dropping us off at the front entrance just as the second weekend of ubiquitous music is getting into full swing. Freda has given us the complimentary tickets Michael had left for us, so we cruise right in. The weather is perfect at about 80 degrees. I dial Michael up on the cellular as I try to tone down the smile that has taken over my face as I survey the surroundings: 11 stages strategically placed about the racetrack that is the fairgrounds, hundreds of food booths featuring authentic New Orleans cuisine, myriad booths of arts and crafts. Paz meets us at the shady Lagniappe stage (Lagniappe means "A little something on the side" Michael explains). He presents us with Artist passes, which gives us special access and privileges at all stages. We mill around a bit before settling down at the Congo Square stage for a great Brazilian band called Chevere. We then me! ander over to the Sprint stage M ichael is working at that day and waltz right into the area reserved for artists in front just as Lucinda Williams is being introduced. Lucinda has drawn a big crowd. We enjoy her set for awhile before deciding it's just a little too country for our current tastes. We head to the House of Blues stage to catch local cajun-blues music stalwart Sonny Landreth, as May is anxious to hear an authentic cajun band with one of those washboard players in it. We're startled, but delighted to find out when we get there that the artist viewing area at the HOB stage is right on stage. So we're dancing on stage, directly behind the band, looking out at the crowd of about 20,000 people enjoying Sonny and krewe. So on stage in fact that at one point one of the stage crew is asking May to hand him this guitar or that mike stand as I try to keep from rolling on the floor laughing at the bemused expression on her face as she puts down her beer and tries to comply. Sonny and company put on ! a great show. May and I chat wi th Sonny as he comes off stage. He's a very nice guy and chews the fat with us for a good while. We then head back to the Sprint stage and watch Little Band of Gold while lying out on the shore of a lagoon near the stage. Pretty soon it's 7ish and our first day at the fairgrounds is at an end. But our evening agenda is a full one. My friends in a band called the D'Amphibians from SF is scheduled to do their thing live on Michael's "Louisiana Jukebox" television show. The show generally features locally originating talent, but Paz has gone to bat for my friends the 'Phibs and got them booked, based on the fact that they do New Orleans-style funk music. We hustle right over to the studio after leaving the fairgrounds. The band and my 20 S.F. friends who will be in the studio audience meet us there and we're all served dinner in the green room before the rehearsals and then have a meet and greet before the show. Michael introduces us to many people. He introduces me to one darling woman named Diane Evans. We chat amiably and I festoon her and her friends pretty Peggy, Mary and Joanie with some of the Mardi Gras beads all of us from SF are wearing, along with some of us in pink boas and such, just to be in the spirit of it all. I don't find out until later on th! at night that Diane's a JMDLer! The live TV show, featuring the oldest band in the world, The Hackberry Ramblers, my friends the D'Amphibians and a local punkish band goes off without a hitch. Michael has written the copy for the shows intro and does the announcing. I blush, but am honored when he mentions me by name as well as our beloved JMDL on live television! After "Jukebox" we all retire to one of Michael's favorite haunts, "The Ugly Dog Saloon" for our nightcaps. There we hang out with the 'Phibs, the crew from the TV show, including beautiful MC Nikki Reyes, and Diane, Mary, Peggy and Joan. The 'Phibs have brought T-shirts and sign them and present them to Michael and us. May and I fall in love with Diane and company and would wind up spending most of Friday at the fairgrounds with them. It gets to be around 2 something a.m. and Michael and May head back to Chez Paz to catch a few hours Zs in preparation for the full Friday we have planned...but not me. My SF friends and I all have tickets for a private party featuring a legendary funk drummer and band at the Howling Wolf uptown. The party starts at 4:20 a.m. It turns out to be a blast. The second set starts well after sunrise. I look up from my dancing stupor at the end of the show only to find that all my friends are nowhere to be found, some having met people and gone elsewhere to party, other having gone back to their hotels. I'm stranded, sorta. And I'll be damned if I didn't forget to bring my sunglasses...I was warned never to go anywhere without them and now I know why. I feel like a vampire. But I don't panic. There is a Hilton across the street. I go in and have much coffee and the breakfast buffet and read all about the Fest goings on in the New Orleans Picuyne. By now it's about 9:30 a.m. I now simply take a cab over to the fairgrounds and join the party of people from all over the world who are hanging out waiting for the gates to open for the day. I've got my ticket in my pocket and I know Michael and May will be arriving soon. Phenomenally, I'm no ways tired, yet... (End of Part I) - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:45:53 +0200 From: Kobus Louwrens Subject: Re: Best 2 made-up CD's - JONI GOLD Clive Brothers wrote: >I am saddened by the very low ranking given to Chelsea Morning on the poll >vote.It's such a beautiful,cheerful,simple song with so much hope >for the future. I actually find that song quite bitter-sweet. It sounds to me like the woman in the song fights a losing battle to hang onto the good times and begging her lover not to go. and then he goes anyway 'pretty baby won't you. . . woke up it's a Chelsea morning' It's subtle, but I don't think it's a happy ending Kobus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:31:58 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: howdy and questions questions questions <<(There have been more JMDL tributes since the one from, oh, three, four years ago? Are more planned?)>> Just to clarify, this is not JMDL performances but rather collections of recorded (and some live) performances of Joni songs from some famous and some not-so-famous performers. The latest Volume #17 runs the gamut from Andy Summers playing "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat" to an Italian rock band doing "Woodstock". <> Yes, and now we've got to shut down our "Neil-cam" website! ;~) Bob NP: Joni, "Lakota" live '86 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:34:29 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: Both Eyes open and Breathing (NJC) In a message dated 5/13/01 11:08:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jmichaelpaz@telocity.com writes: > Next weekend I am off to Florida Springfest for onw more weekend of > solid music. > > I don't know how you do it Michael. What kind of drugs are you on? lol I > want some! Thanks for the report, I sounds like a good time was had by all. > Sorry we couldn't be there. Rose in NJ getting ready for week 3 of guitar study rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:39:49 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: New Orleans Jazzfest Report, part 1 (NJC) In a message dated 5/14/01 7:20:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JRMCo1@aol.com writes: > I'm having a wonderful life. You certainly are! Thanks for the long awaited report Julius. Looking forward to part II. You guys are so lucky to have a friend like Michael Paz. Only 12 days till the NY JoniFest!!!! Cant wait to see you guys! Much Love, Rose rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:12:37 From: "c Karma" Subject: Moog (NJC) I hope some research will bear this out, but legend at my high school (Bronx Science) had it that Robert Moog began his investigation into the creation of the synthesizer as a project in what was then called STL: Science Techniques Laboratory. Or, our version of "shop." He later got some major grants and corporate financing to continue research and development, and the rest is history as he pioneered a new generation of electronic instruments. Where would our world be without "The Jungle Line", "Dog Eat Dog" or Neil Young's "Trans?" And who still doesn't smile when reading the words "NO Synthesizers!" on almost any Queen record? CC "Fiction of the gizmo Fiction of the data Fiction of the this is this and that is that, --- Aah!" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:28:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: computer question njc I think it's got something to do with the way characters are mapped to the keyboard. I've noticed that anything that would be a French E with accent aigu comes out as an i. Either that or you can't spell! - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > i meant to ask this question before but i forgot. > why doesn't a post reflect > its original spelling once it's posted? i wrote some > french words in my post > about pissing in paris but they appear different now > in the posted version. > it happens when i write in german too. is it my > computer? > wallyK Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:31:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article - --- CHRIS TREACY wrote: > Paul wrote : "Dylan broke the doors > > down. He changed the way songs were written and > what > > they were written about." > > And, much as I'm not too much of a Dylan fan, I have > to agree with Paul on this. Much as the statement in > the Times article SEEMS outrageous to us on one > level, > because of our devotion to Joni, one must give > credit > where credit is due. Furthermore, Joni herself > credits > Dylan - citing a shift in writing style coinciding > with his 'going electric' - as suddenly making it > acceptable to write about anything, paving the way > for > a whole new wave of interpersonal discourse in > songwriting. She's said it a million times. > I think in my case it's not so much "devotion to Joni" but perhaps failure to appreciate Bob Dylan. What is it precisely about him that's supposed to be so innovative? I don't find his music particularly "new" - - his music IMO is pretty predictable. Is it the lyrics? I agree that Joni does pay him tribute, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, or a pain in the ass - I just don't get it! Somebody please enlighten me! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 10:35:47 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Both Eyes open and Breathing (NJC) - --- Michael Paz wrote: > the only > dissapointment was tat Dave DID NOT do Julian and my > fave track from the new > record, The Space Between. That is a GREAT song and too bad they didn't do it. If I wasn't on the jmdl, I'm not sure if I would ever have got on to Dave Matthews - he is/they are IMHO probably one of *the* best groups to come along in ages. Great music, intelligent lyrics, good arrangements, and DM ain't bad on the eyes either! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 08:41:17 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tanya Savory (NJC) Lori wrote: >Cheryl Wheeler >with Tanya Savory >The Birchmere, Alexandria, VA Cool! Tanya is opening for Dave Carter & Tracy Grammer at my series in Anaheim on 6/16. I'm looking forward to seeing her - I hired her on the basis of her CD, which is definitely a cut above a lot of the singer/songwriters I've been hearing lately. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.scdh.org "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:55:11 EDT From: MP123A321@aol.com Subject: Re: California (totally NJC) Here are two more great California songs that were not mentioned: California - John Mayall - Turning Point LP California - Wendy MaHarry - Wendy MaHarry LP? Anyone know of Wendy and if she will be releasing more music? She has two releases. Last I heard she was recording with Ian Anderson. Maurice ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:27:26 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: computer question njc thanks for your replies!!!!! what you say really makes sense. my main problem is with accented words. and the accent aigu always comes out as an ''i'', as you said catherine. also the umlaut looks like a little square. so it wasn't my head playing little games again after all... wallyK, easy prey to gaslighting >>>>>>>>>>>>. Don wrote: You probably have a font installed on your computer to generate European language characters and accents. If you used that font, and smoe's servers don't have it, the font will default to something else and catherine added: I've noticed that anything that would be a French E with accent aigu comes out as an i. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 12:44:17 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums I tried to send this from work but it bounced. Anyway, here it is: > Mark in Seattle said, > > I think THOSL was a watershed for a lot of people. > > I remember it took me a *long* time to finally 'get it'. > > And I remember thinking, "Cool album. Someone beside Keith Emerson > understands that you can use classical elements and jazz elements in the > same oeuvre." ("Nutcracker" and "Rondo Blue ala Turk", anyone?) > > For me, "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" was a natural _evolution_ , not a > departure. My earlier, high school era's typical day of music was: > Beethoven introducing the NBC Evening News with Chet Huntley and David > Brinkley, then Getz and Rollins and Armstrong and Ellington and Basie (and > Annie Ross'es "Farmer's Market") from the living room, then Sly and the > Family Stone from the radio, then backfilling with my own selection: a > history lesson from the early Beatles. > > "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns"? > > > I **GOT** it - like mother's milk. (That is, it ran all through my > circuits like a heartbeat.) "The Hissing Of Summer Lawns" fit perfectly > into the experience of an evening in my parents home and walking from room > to room. That album smells like home. > > Lama > > ps- The other day I put on Deja vu after a long period without listening to > it and I was struck by how little the title track sounds like Rock. I mean, > it sounds more like David Crosby's "If Only I Could Remember My Name". > Weird progressions, irregular pauses, and no back beat at all (on purpose of > course. It's no wonder Crosby GOT it too. He was "inoculated" with the > same batch. Twins of spirit, no matter what route home we take. Or what we > forsake.) Kakki, Michael, is "Deja vu" a Crosby track? > > np: David Lahm's "Take" (ha!) on "she is another canyon laaaaady." Oh! Oh, > my! David gets it, big time. More solo piano, big guy! > > ***BUY THIS DISC!*** ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 09:56:55 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Jonatha Brooke Rescheduled! June 22 (NJC) - --- list@birchmere.com wrote: The postponed JONATHA BROOKE show from May 8th has been re-scheduled. The New date is FRIDAY JUNE 22. John Eddie WILL NOT be on this date (opener, TBA). Tickets from the May 8th show will be honored, so no exchange is necessary. Also, there are still tickets available for sale. If you cannot attend the new date, or, if you were attending to see John Eddie, refunds can be made at place of purchase. For Ticketmaster Phonecharge or Online purchases, call Ticketmaster (202)432-SEAT. For more information on Birchmere events, check out our website: www.birchmere.com ~ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:57:16 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc well, not only may 14.... these adorable jmdl enfants have had birthdays recently: may 11: SARA* [yes, sara apostrophe]\ may 12: kelly loughran and today, may 14 proper, MR. gerry from the UK is finally coming of age! [this may or may not be true but it sounds so cute!] to each of you, kisses, hugs and caffeine, the REAL three great stimulants. and if you have a nude picture of wolf blitzer, write privately. signed: the only and absolutely ETHEREAL 200-pound jonimitchelldiscussionlist birthday fairy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 13:50:41 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article In a message dated 5/14/01 10:41:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << Is it the lyrics? >> You better believe it is!!! His lyrics were incredibly innovative and brilliant...have you listened to masterpieces like "Another side of Bob Dylan?","Bringing it all back home"","Blonde on Blonde"? ect... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 20:18:20 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Helga_L=F6ltgen?= Subject: Freundschaft - diese wunderbare Balance.... zwischen Innigkeit und Distanz - - PC-Kontakt - - Gedankenaustausch - - Versuche der Anndherung - - |ber das Gemeinsame JONI MITCHELL hinaus... Nat|rlich soll man nicht im voraus gratulieren, und das werde ich auch nicht tun, aber weil ich morgen einfach keine Zeit habe, w|nsche ich Dir einen SCHVNEN Geburtstag Liebe Karin, in freundschaftlicher Zuneigung simply have a splendid birthday!!!! And to all of you - who can4t make a sense out of this, please, simply, wish Karin a Happy Birthday: Mauski4648@aol.com 15. of May 2001 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:16:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > well, not only may 14.... > > these adorable jmdl enfants have had birthdays > recently: > > may 11: SARA* [yes, sara apostrophe]\ > may 12: kelly loughran > > and today, may 14 proper, MR. gerry from the UK is > finally coming of age! Well, humph, Mr. B.F. I'm, like, tewtally insulted that you never wished me a public H.B. even AFTER you asked me the date. I will admit that I was somewhat *coy* in my response to your inquiry, burying my answer in a hard-to-find place because I'm ambivalent about the whole birthday thing. I mean, I want my cake (I really DO!) AND I want to eat it too. And, why not, I ask? I DO want it ALL!!! And, not that anyone wants to be reminded that they've aged YET AGAIN (dammit all - I wanna be like Merlin and age backwards, but it still ENDS and right now, that ain't good!) , but still... it's the principle of the thing. It's like, back in the days when construction workers used to whistle at anything in a skirt (including Scottish guys), I'd be insulted if they did, but also insulted if they didn't, y'know? You realize what a can of worms you've opened when you wish ANYONE a happy birthday - because it just makes it so much easier to forget someone else. . . Feeling singularly UNLOVED! Who even wants a stupid birthday anyway? By the way, it was April 2nd. One day after April Fool's day. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:17:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article Thanks. I was hoping you'd say that. It's the only plausible explanation! - --- Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/14/01 10:41:23 AM Eastern > Daylight Time, > anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > << Is it the > lyrics? >> > > > You better believe it is!!! His lyrics were > incredibly innovative and > brilliant...have you listened to masterpieces like > "Another side of Bob > Dylan?","Bringing it all back home"","Blonde on > Blonde"? ect... Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:17:27 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article In a message dated 5/14/01 10:39:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: << I think in my case it's not so much "devotion to Joni" but perhaps failure to appreciate Bob Dylan. What is it precisely about him that's supposed to be so innovative? I don't find his music particularly "new" - his music IMO is pretty predictable. Is it the lyrics? I agree that Joni does pay him tribute, and I'm not trying to be sarcastic, or a pain in the ass - I just don't get it! Somebody please enlighten me! >> I agree it's difficult to see it or understand it in retrospect. Once you are awash in the lake, you cannot appreciate the raindrops. You have to look at what most songs were being written about in the early to mid '60s, then listen to songs like Positively 4th Street, Like A Rolling Stone, A Hard Rain's Gonna Fall or some of his others from that period. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 14:19:38 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: FW: Confessions and Joni's Best Albums In a message dated 5/14/01 12:53:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@home.com writes: << Kakki, Michael, is "Deja vu" a Crosby track? >> Of course it is. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 11:48:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Lori R. Fye" Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article (NJC) Stephen in Vancouver wrote: > Dylan is turning 60??!! Wasn't it he that said "You can't > trust anyone over 30"? yikes! Even "yikier:" As the pendulum seems to have swung to the right (once again, wrong kind of Bush in the White House) and as I've recently left the company of numerous genXers who profess to be Republicans, I now say and am considering having printed on a bumpersticker: "Nowadays, you can't trust anyone UNDER 30!" * Tra-la-la ... so glad to be back on the left side of the fence, Lori in DC http://www.unfoundation.org * No offense intended to the under-30s on the JMDL ... I know you ROCK! ~ Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > I agree it's difficult to see it or understand it in > retrospect. Once you > are awash in the lake, you cannot appreciate the > raindrops. > You have to look at what most songs were being > written about in the early to > mid '60s, > then listen to songs like Positively 4th Street, > Like A Rolling Stone, A Hard > Rain's Gonna Fall or some of his others from that > period. Thanks for clearing that up. I guess I was never a *direct* fan of Mr. Zimmerman, even though I had quite a few Bob Dylan songbooks and versions of his songs sung by others (although there are many I can hear in my head ONLY in his voice). I guess he was so ingrained (after a while) into the spirit of that time that it would be impossible *not* to be aware of him directly or indirectly. I guess I took him for granted! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:03:43 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: music scheduling for Labor Day JoniFest Hi everyone. I'm including everyone in this email (not just the Joni-onlys and the JoniFest list) because some of you may not have signed up yet, but will want/need this info if you're planning or thinking about coming to JoniFest. I'm doing the schedule for all the performances on Saturday (from noon to 9:30). So far, I've heard from a few folks, but there's still plenty of time available. HOW I'M SCHEDULING EVERYONE I have a spreadsheet with the time at 5 minute intervals. I figure 1 song equals one 5-minute slot. If you ask for time to do one set on Ashara's form, you get 20 minutes (4 songs or 'slots'). But, if you say you want to do a 'set' of 3 songs, you get 3 5-minute slots (15 minutes). So far, I'm giving everyone what they ask for. I've also included time for give-aways and sing-alongs. When I run out of slots, I'll look at where I can fit in those who want time to perform. This might mean I'll ask some people if they can do a song or two less (depending on how many they've signed up to do.) So, if you're planning on doing 10 songs, I might ask that you do only 8 or 9. The one thing that will be harder to do, the closer we get to the actual date, is to fit you in at the time of day you really want. So, if you REALLY can't stand playing before dark, for example, let me know now. WHAT YOU SHOULD PLAY It's not up to me to tell you what to play and what not to play. The only thing I'll be trying to avoid is 5 versions of The Circle Game. So, I'll let everyone know by private email if anyone else is playing the same Joni song(s) you are. I'll let you know who's doing what. I mean, if you still want to do "The Dry Cleaner from Des Moines" even though Joni herself is doing it right after you, well, be my guest. From a scheduling point of view in avoiding duplictes, of course original material is a breeze. My opinion (which doesn't count) is that I love to hear other JMDLers' original stuff. And as a performer, I'd always prefer to do material I feel I do well, rather than a second-best rendition of a Joni song. But, that's just my opinion. Anyway, I'll be looking at originals/non-Joni vs. Joni material and try to balance it out so that there aren't long stretches of non-Joni material. REQUESTS If there are Joni songs you'd just love to hear someone else do, let me know. I'll publish the list of requests along with the schedule each week (or as needed - if there are no changes from one week to the next, I'll wait until there are changes.) THE SCHEDULE SO FAR: (I'll be publishing in a format like this, not the 5-minute slot format. And, since they're flexible, I won't be including the give aways and sing alongs in this format, but they'll be in the spreadsheet. They're in the "available" times.) 12:00 - 12:45 - available 12:45 - 1:00 - Anne Sandstrom 1:00 - 1:20 - Nikki Johnson 1:30 - 1:45 - Christopher Duzak 1:45 - 1:50 - Megan M. Allen 1:50 - 4:15 - available 4:15 - 4:35 - Chuck Eisenhardt 4:40 - 4:50 - John van Tiel 5:00 - 5:40 - Michael Paz 5:50 - 6:05 - Alison Einersen 6:05-6:20 - available 6:20 - 6:50 - Marcel Deste 7:00 - 7:35 - Steve Polifka 7:35 - 8:45 - available 8:45 - 9:30 - Wally Kairuz Feel free to email me with comments, questions, requests, etc... lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 15:10:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article (NJC) - --- "Lori R. Fye" wrote: > Stephen in Vancouver wrote: > > > Dylan is turning 60??!! Wasn't it he that said > "You can't > > trust anyone over 30"? yikes! > > Even "yikier:" As the pendulum seems to have swung > to the right (once > again, wrong kind of Bush in the White House) and as > I've recently left > the company of numerous genXers who profess to be > Republicans, I now say > and am considering having printed on a > bumpersticker: > > "Nowadays, you can't trust anyone UNDER 30!" * > > > Tra-la-la ... so glad to be back on the left side of > the fence, > Thank you, Lori, for saying exactly what I was thinking. It has gotten to the point where I'm afraid to say anything political to "youngsters", because you never know whose side they are on. When my own kids are old enough to vote, it will chill my blood if they turn out to be supporters of the Reform Party (Canada's kind-of-answer to the Republicans, kind-of neo-Conservatives-not-of-the-Red-Tory-kind, and, if there is a god, soon to be a thing of the past because there's just too much infighting going on there these days - the right just can't decide who's right!) Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:19:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: april 2!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc oh but cath cath cath!!!! i had even written a little rhyme for you!!!!! but as one and only birthday fairy i have my pride, you know... in any case, since the laws of nature are of little if any account for this gorgeous and beyond-good-and-evil being [ME], i declare today APRIL 2 AND THUS SAY: CATHERINE OF ARAGON WAS SMART SHE KEPT HER NECK AND WORE HER EMERALDS CATHERINE THE GREAT WAS HORNY AND SHE SLEPT WITH ALL HER GENERALS BUT OUR OWN CATHERINE IS EVEN WORSE! SHE'LL NEVER TELL HER DATE OF BIRTH!!! BUT OH THIS MARVELOUS BIRTHDAY FAIRY IS QUITE FORGIVING BECAUSE IT'S VERY GLAD TO'VE WON AND SAY: ''I KNOW YOUR BIRTHDAY, CATH MCKAY''!!!!!!!!!!!! AT LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST! [insert TURANDOT theme here] so happy birthday, XENA!!!!!!! we love you! a triumphant yet so graceful birthday fairy - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Catherine McKay Enviado el: Lunes, 14 de Mayo de 2001 03:17 p.m. Para: Wally Kairuz CC: Jonilist Asunto: Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > well, not only may 14.... > > these adorable jmdl enfants have had birthdays > recently: > > may 11: SARA* [yes, sara apostrophe]\ > may 12: kelly loughran > > and today, may 14 proper, MR. gerry from the UK is > finally coming of age! Well, humph, Mr. B.F. I'm, like, tewtally insulted that you never wished me a public H.B. even AFTER you asked me the date. I will admit that I was somewhat *coy* in my response to your inquiry, burying my answer in a hard-to-find place because I'm ambivalent about the whole birthday thing. I mean, I want my cake (I really DO!) AND I want to eat it too. And, why not, I ask? I DO want it ALL!!! And, not that anyone wants to be reminded that they've aged YET AGAIN (dammit all - I wanna be like Merlin and age backwards, but it still ENDS and right now, that ain't good!) , but still... it's the principle of the thing. It's like, back in the days when construction workers used to whistle at anything in a skirt (including Scottish guys), I'd be insulted if they did, but also insulted if they didn't, y'know? You realize what a can of worms you've opened when you wish ANYONE a happy birthday - because it just makes it so much easier to forget someone else. . . Feeling singularly UNLOVED! Who even wants a stupid birthday anyway? By the way, it was April 2nd. One day after April Fool's day. Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:44:12 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc In a message dated 5/14/01 2:26:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, anima_rising@yahoo.ca writes: > > . . Feeling singularly UNLOVED! Who even wants a stupid birthday anyway? By the way, it was April 2nd. One day after April Fool's day. And a day before my granddaughter Anastasia's, another Aries. Happy belated birthday Catherine and btw, in case you didn't know, YOU ARE LOVED!!! Hope it was grand! Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:33:42 -0400 From: asandstrom@macromedia.com Subject: one more email about music scheduling for JoniFest Hi again. I just wanted to clarify a couple of things about the music schedule for JoniFest. First of all, the sample schedule was to show you the FORMAT. The data I used to fill it in is just what I've received so far, but the actual times and lengths of sets will be different. (Realistically, based on previous fests, sets won't be any longer than 20 minutes each. That way, we'll get to hear everyone who wants to play.) Also, as I said, I'm scheduling a lot of sing-alongs. These will be Joni songs. It would be great if the list of requests (send in those requests!) inspires those who play instruments to accompany a whole group of "out of tune' voices. (My personal favorite JoniFest moment was sharing the mike with Kenny Grant, and the stage with a bunch of other JMDLers on This Flight Tonight.) And maybe you don't want to do a set or even a whole song by yourself. Maybe you've always dreamed of doing the third verse of "Judgment of the Moon and Stars." So, send that along too. I'm really getting excited about Labor Day weekend. And I can't wait to hear all those out of tune voices together! lots of love Anne ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 17:34:28 EDT From: RoseMJoy@aol.com Subject: Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc In a message dated 5/14/01 1:11:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, wallykai@fibertel.com.ar writes: > may 11: SARA* [yes, sara apostrophe]\ > may 12: kelly loughran > > and today, may 14 proper, MR. gerry from the UK is finally coming of age! > Happy Birthday Sara, Kelly and Gerry!!! Rose in NJ rosemjoy@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 16:15:27 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Moog njc All this talk about synthesizers, now....inspired me to do a little research. I can verify that Micky Dolenz of the Monkees was the first to buy a Moog (rhymes with "vogue" BTW) from the newly formed company in Sept of 1967. Other shipments: Rolling Stones 9/68 (they never used it though) Byrds 10/68 Beatles 1/69 George Harrison 2/69 Simon & Garfunkel 3/69 George Martin 9/69 Hendrix/Ladyland Studios 11/69 c Karma wrote: > I hope some research will bear this out, but legend at my high school (Bronx > Science) had it that Robert Moog began his investigation into the creation > of the synthesizer as a project in what was then called STL: Science > Techniques Laboratory. Or, our version of "shop." He later got some major > grants and corporate financing to continue research and development, and the > rest is history as he pioneered a new generation of electronic instruments. I haven't seen mention of this in the brief bios I have seen, but he was in the NY area in his early days. Robert Moog began by selling Theremin kits in magazines in 1960. He sold about 1000 kits, which one presumes gave him the capital to make his first transistor based synthesizer in his apartment in 1963, while an undergrad at Queens College in NY. He first showed it publicly at the AES in 1964, then began working with composer Walter (now Wendy) Carlos. In 1969 the "Switched On Bach" album alerted the world to the sound of this new instrument. Moog's work was predated by that of Donald Buchla, who developed his version of the instrument in 1960. He received a commision from composer Morton Subotnik and later a grant from the Rockefeller Foundation. He made his first modular synth in 1963, and his first commercial one (after Moog's) in 1969. Interestingly, the first oscillator-based instrument dates all the way back to 1876, Elisha Gray's "Electroharmonic Telegraph". Loudspeakers hadn't even been invented yet! In 1899 it was noted that carbon arc lamps emitted a high pitched noise, and someone developed the "Singing Arc" using this principle. Lev Termen produced his first Theremin in 1917 in Russia. It used vacuum tubes to create the oscillators, and the capacitance of the body-you moved your hands near a protruding antenna- to control the pitch. This is the sound on The Beach Boys "Good Vibrations". Recently Robert Moog has again begun producing a transistorized version of the instrument. Sure hope I get a good grade on this. RR Les Irvin wrote: > At 5/13/2001 01:48 AM, someone wrote: > >The Moog was hardly new in '75 when Hissing came out. Among it's > >first uses in pop music was 6 years before. > > Actually, I can date it back to as early as mid-1967, when Micky Dolenz > played it on the Monkees album "Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn, and > Jones". ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:50:40 -0400 From: mags Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article njc Stephen Epstein wrote: > <> to which Mags replies...... and what a time it was, it was. .. we both enjoyed the short but sweet visit Stephen... looking forward to the summer 'round the pool LOL. Mags & Bri.... xoxoxox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 May 2001 00:56:42 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: april 2!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc > ''I KNOW YOUR BIRTHDAY, CATH MCKAY''!!!!!!!!!!!! and i know how old she is........ > > > AT LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAST! [insert TURANDOT theme here] > > so happy birthday, XENA!!!!!!! we love you! > > a triumphant yet so graceful birthday fairy > > -----Mensaje original----- > De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de > Catherine McKay > Enviado el: Lunes, 14 de Mayo de 2001 03:17 p.m. > Para: Wally Kairuz > CC: Jonilist > Asunto: Re: may 14!!!!!!!!! njc > > --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > > well, not only may 14.... > > > > these adorable jmdl enfants have had birthdays > > recently: > > > > may 11: SARA* [yes, sara apostrophe]\ > > may 12: kelly loughran > > > > and today, may 14 proper, MR. gerry from the UK is > > finally coming of age! > > Well, humph, Mr. B.F. I'm, like, tewtally insulted > that you never wished me a public H.B. even AFTER you > asked me the date. I will admit that I was somewhat > *coy* in my response to your inquiry, burying my > answer in a hard-to-find place because I'm ambivalent > about the whole birthday thing. I mean, I want my cake > (I really DO!) AND I want to eat it too. And, why > not, I ask? I DO want it ALL!!! > > And, not that anyone wants to be reminded that they've > aged YET AGAIN (dammit all - I wanna be like Merlin > and age backwards, but it still ENDS and right now, > that ain't good!) , but still... it's the principle of > the thing. It's like, back in the days when > construction workers used to whistle at anything in a > skirt (including Scottish guys), I'd be insulted if > they did, but also insulted if they didn't, y'know? > You realize what a can of worms you've opened when you > wish ANYONE a happy birthday - because it just makes > it so much easier to forget someone else. > > . . Feeling singularly UNLOVED! Who > even wants a stupid birthday anyway? > > By the way, it was April 2nd. One day after April > Fool's day. > Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:46:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: april 2!!!!!!!!!!!!! njc - --- Wally Kairuz wrote: > oh but cath cath cath!!!! i had even written a > little rhyme for you!!!!! but > as one and only birthday fairy i have my pride, you > know... > in any case, since the laws of nature are of little > if any account for this > gorgeous and beyond-good-and-evil being [ME], i > declare today > APRIL 2 > Oh Wally, you are too much! I really tried to refrain from whining, but the pressure on me to princess out was too great! Thank you for your wonderful poem (complete with moosical sound effects) - I shall cherish it always! and to those of you gracious enough (unlike me) to wish me belated good things. Jeez, I love youse guys! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 21:50:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Moog njc - --- Randy Remote wrote: > All this talk about synthesizers, now....inspired me > to do a little > research. I can verify that Micky Dolenz of the > Monkees was > the first to buy a Moog (rhymes with "vogue" BTW) > from the > newly formed company in Sept of 1967. ... > He > first showed it > publicly at the AES in 1964, then began working with > composer > Walter (now Wendy) Carlos. In 1969 the "Switched > On Bach" album alerted the world to the sound of > this new instrument. > I still have that album. It was one of my first *classical* albums and I played it to death! Get your free @yahoo.ca address at http://mail.yahoo.ca ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 19:39:47 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Best 2 made-up CD's - JONI GOLD > I actually find that song quite bitter-sweet. It sounds to me like the woman > in the song fights a losing battle to hang onto the good times and begging > her lover not to go. > > and then he goes anyway > > 'pretty baby won't you. . . > > woke up > it's a Chelsea morning' > > It's subtle, but I don't think it's a happy ending He does stay and it is a happy ending. She changes to present tense in that ending. Listen carefully. She sings: Pretty baby won't you Wake up, it's a Chelsea Morning Actually took me until very recently to catch that one. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:41:18 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: The New Yorker Article np: Bootleg Springsteen and the E Street Band doing "Born In the USA". Hey, this is **not** a guilty pleasure! Bruce is talking about the "new" personnel in the band: Nils and some 'girl' named Patty. :D *** I lost the attribution on this one but I think it was a journalist: "Without Dylan, the Beatles would likely have stuck to simple R&B; without him, no Neil Young, no Lou Reed, no Joni Mitchell, no Bruce Springsteen, no Clash, no Kurt Cobain." *** Here's to Bobby! The wonder of Hibbing, Minnesota. (Or is it New York, New York?) He sorta snuck in on the coattails of folk, lit up a joint and decided to kick the door down to let in some light. Under Bobby's uhhh.... influence, Paul and John started writing more interesting stories. Roger / Jim found an audience. Joan got some respect for migrant workers. Ramblin' Jack got work. Arlo got a contract. And some prairie girl, sneaking a smoke before Kratzman's English class, tipped her head and noticed that suddenly, *because of Bobby*, the radio allowed more freedom to songwriters. Definitely, Bobby kicked down the door. Hell, he bulldozed the front WALL. And lo, the light poured in. Lamadoo ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 14 May 2001 23:57:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: computer question njc I s'pose that smoe is an American server using exclusively American English characters. Wally asked: >>i meant to ask this question before but i forgot. why doesn't a post reflect its original spelling once it's posted? i wrote some french words in my post about pissing in paris but they appear different now in the posted version. it happens when i write in german too. is it my computer? wallyK>> ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #218 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?