From: les@jmdl.com (JMDL Digest) To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2001 #211 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk Unsubscribe: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.smoe.org/lists/joni Websites: http://www.jmdl.com http://www.jonimitchell.com JMDL Digest Tuesday, May 8 2001 Volume 2001 : Number 211 The 'Official' Joni Mitchell Homepage, created by Wally Breese, can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com. It contains the latest news, a detailed bio, Original Interviews, essays, lyrics and much much more. The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. Information on the 4th "Annual" New England JoniFest: http://www.jmdl.com/jfne2001.cfm The Joni Chat Room: http://www.jmdl.com/chat.cfm ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Elm Street Revisited [susan+rick ] RE: Shame on the list. ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Elm Street Revisited ["Wally Kairuz" ] jonis best album/s&l lyrics ["Greer, Ron" ] Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Border Crossings interview [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] hi y'all/People's Parties NJC ["c Karma" ] Joni & Prince [Steve Polifka ] Re: Border Crossings interview [mags ] ken nordine is alive and well and living in chicago NJC [Tyler Hewitt ] Re: He Blinded Her With Science? [Jan Lumholdt ] Write to Joni [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Write to Joni ["Victor Johnson" ] Re: you poor people (NJC) (md) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: He Blinded Her With Science? [Jan Lumholdt ] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #206 [Bruce Kimerer ] Re: you poor people (NJC) (md) [Kammass@aol.com] Re: Write to Joni [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #210 [Bruce Kimerer ] njc ken nordine [john low ] Re: Happy jmdler - NJC [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics [Relayer211@aol.com] Roberto, help! (NJC) [Steve Dulson ] Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics [catman ] New article, and thanks [Les Irvin ] RE: hi y'all/People's Parties (sjc) ["Nikki Johnson" ] Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics ["hell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 01:10:52 -0700 From: susan+rick Subject: Elm Street Revisited Any Canadian Listers who are interested in getting a back-issue copy of the November 2000 issue of Elm Street magazine which featured a great article by Anne Bayin about her trip to Saskatoon for the Mendel exhibit and growing up with Joni (including wonderful photos) please contact me off-list. I have the email address of the person at Elm Street who will be happy to send you a copy or two absolutely free. I don't know if they would send copies to the States but if anyone is willing to try, drop me a note. You can check out the text of the article at http://cbc.ca/news/indepth/joni/ or in the JMDL article data base. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 05:11:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Shame on the list. you must be the only one that knows that! ;-) wally - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de Jan Lumholdt Enviado el: Lunes, 07 de Mayo de 2001 04:38 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Re: Shame on the list. NP: Grace Jones - Liber Tango/I've seen that face before (it's Piazolla, Wally!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 05:48:29 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Elm Street Revisited really worth a try! i received a copy a while ago courtesy of ranger rick and company and i loved it! wallyK - -----Mensaje original----- De: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]En nombre de susan+rick Enviado el: Lunes, 07 de Mayo de 2001 05:11 a.m. Para: joni@smoe.org Asunto: Elm Street Revisited Any Canadian Listers who are interested in getting a back-issue copy of the November 2000 issue of Elm Street magazine which featured a great article by Anne Bayin about her trip to Saskatoon for the Mendel exhibit and growing up with Joni (including wonderful photos) please contact me off-list. I have the email address of the person at Elm Street who will be happy to send you a copy or two absolutely free. I don't know if they would send copies to the States but if anyone is willing to try, drop me a note. You can check out the text of the article at http://cbc.ca/news/indepth/joni/ or in the JMDL article data base. Ranger Rick ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 12:16:41 +0200 From: "Greer, Ron" Subject: jonis best album/s&l lyrics hi i really find it impossible to believe that in all the talk about "best" albums, no one has mentioned shadows & light am i in a minority of 1 on this?? tho i must add that i dont really think that any album can be categorised as *best*, but it can be categorised as "as favourite and most relevant to me" and as for those who favour the older works, perhaps i could very loosely quote a song sung by joan baez (i know the lyric, and the tune, but have no clue as to what song/album - go figure!!) "theres a comfort in the teaching of the old familiar songs...." (and a sorrow in repeating all the old familiar wrongs) (please forgive me if i got it wrong - i dont have access to my cds right now to check it) and on the subject of s&l and lyrics HELP!! "the perils of benefactors, the blessings of parasites...." even after 20 years of loving the song, i suddenly looked at it from both sides...... is it the perils of (having/being) benefactors the blessings of (having/being) parasites or is it a case of joni putting in a dual meaning so the listener can take whichever is relevant to them, while only she knows which is relevant to her personally?? believe it or not - that gave me one very restless night - perhaps this list is teaching me to think a bit ??..... ron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 07:22:08 -0400 From: "Blair Fraipont" Subject: Re: Prince and Joni I think Prince had said that Joni influenced him in the way of how music can be colored. James Brown was another strong influence. SO, you put the two together, you have an oversexed, colorful, exciting, versatile musician. I can actully picture joni doing a cover. I can (for some unknown reason) picture her doing "DIRTY MIND", especially on the line, "Your the one I want to drive". I dont know why, but it seems like it could fit. Blair NP: "Dear Lord" John Coltrane >From: "Rob Ettridge" >Reply-To: "Rob Ettridge" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Prince and Joni >Date: Sun, 06 May 2001 17:37:47 +0100 > >The thought of Joni and Prince collaborating is confusing my little brain >at >the moment. I certainly can't see her doing one of his songs, but then I >can't imagine what a song they wrote together would be like either. >Hmmm... > >Anyway, in strange synchronicity, when I got this mail I was listening to >Prince's 'Controversy' album from 1981. I looked down at the sleeve, and >noticed the word 'Joni' in big bold letters. How did I never notice this >before? > >For those of you not familiar with the album sleeve, it's made up of front >pages from 'The Controversy Daily', such as 'Free Food Stamps for Good >Samaritans' and 'Annie Christian Sentenced to Die!', some of which fit in >themes of the songs. The only one which isn't a headline is one with >Joni's >name and a star either side of it. > >Surely a nod to her influence (though I can't really hear it on this >album). > >Rob >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 06:45:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics > and as for those who favour the older works, perhaps i could very loosely > quote a song sung by joan baez (i know the lyric, and the tune, but have no > clue as to what song/album - go figure!!) > > "theres a comfort in the teaching of the old familiar songs...." > (and a sorrow in repeating all the old familiar wrongs) Baez did this song on 'Honest Lullabye'. It was written by Janis Ian. I believe it's called 'Light a Light'. > > and on the subject of s&l and lyrics HELP!! > > "the perils of benefactors, > the blessings of parasites...." > > > even after 20 years of loving the song, i suddenly looked at it from both > sides...... > > is it > > the perils of (having/being) benefactors > the blessings of (having/being) parasites > I don't think having/being is important. She's merely taking two words and turning the connotations we ascribe to them around. We think of benefactors as positive things but Joni describes them as having 'perils' whereas parasites usually bring to mind ugly images and Joni says they are (or can be) blessings. Nothing is completely black or white. There are at least two sides to everything in Joni's mind. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:55:24 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Border Crossings interview http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/0102bc.cfm Whew! A very long piece but very informative, and spellbinding at times! Thanks Mags & Judy! Bob NP: Keb Mo, "Just Like You" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 10:21:12 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics <> Well put, Ron - How you "rank" Joni's work (or anybody's, for that matter, can depend on a lot of differing criteria... <> I would argue that this is the case because it's her style to write in this way, from her perspective yet speaking to us in such a way that we look at it from our own. And I think that Joni even tells us that she is going to be challenging us to a "dual" with this song with its opening: "Every picture has its shadows And it has some source of light" Like the song Hejira, this one is a masterpiece and features one brilliant insightful line after another. The one that keeps ringing in MY head is: "Compelled by prescribed standards Or some ideals we fight For wrong wrong and right" Maybe Joni was talking about the making of this record, about being pressured to follow up her "hit" with something just like it, but that simply has never been the ideal she's fought for. At any length, the phrase can be interpreted by the listener and applied to whatever THEY hold as an ideal. And even if we see it as 'wrong', we persist. To include it on her '79 tour with The Persuasions was pure genius, as was the choice of a rock and roll cover "Why do Fools Fall In Love". Given her song history, it's amazing to see the depth she brings to this song, without changing a word! Bob NP: Keb Mo, "Dangerous Mood" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 14:25:34 From: "c Karma" Subject: hi y'all/People's Parties NJC Somehow I don't think the Grace was Jones, but it sure was fun to wave my hands over my head while swinging my hips in the opposite direction and wailing, "Pull Up to the BUMPAH, Bay-BAAAY...." one more time. I loved how Grace could lift men up out of the audience to the stage by their collar with one hand. If you were sitting close, you learned to avoid eye contact. CC _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 09:50:53 -0500 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni & Prince > "Rob Ettridge" wrote: >Anyway, in strange synchronicity, when I got this mail I was >listening to >Prince's 'Controversy' album from 1981. I looked down at the >leeve, and >noticed the word 'Joni' in big bold letters. How did I never >notice this before? Hi Rob! Interesting note for you. Several friends of mine went to see Prince on his tour in '83- I think he was with another band or 2... During the breaks in the concert, he played WTRF -the entire lp, according to my friend Gloria. Other friends in MN said that he played it also, but no reference as to how much of it. Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 11:10:47 -0500 From: mags Subject: Re: Border Crossings interview Les Irvin wrote: > The Border Crossings interview has been added to the JMDL website: > http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/0102bc.cfm > Thanks to Judy Haugh and Mags for typing it up. > Les it was mostly Judy's work, i just helped out at the end with 3 pages. Thanks for the opportunity to be part of this project . Mags. - -- - --------------------------------------------------------------------- _~O / /\_, ___/\ /_ - ----------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 10:45:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Tyler Hewitt Subject: ken nordine is alive and well and living in chicago NJC RE: hey everybody, i was wondering what anyone could tell me about ken nordine? anything? Ken is an infamous Chicago dj who also makes recordings of what he calls 'word jazz'. He has a really deep voice, and does kind of beat-style poetry over music. Cool stuff, actually, but I don't listen to it too often. He's been around since the late 50's-early'60's, has done several records over the years. He still has a radio show in Chicago, on public radio WBEZ. It's on Sundays at midnight (I think). Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 14:38:59 EDT From: Fonimitchell@aol.com Subject: PLEASE HELP! (Re: Canadian News Wire). Paul found this article on Canada News Wire. There is a mention of Foni Mitchell - is there another Foni Mitchell - or could it be they're talking about our humble project here in the UK? Can anybody shed any light? Many thanks. Clive. Return-Path: Received: from rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (rly-yc01.mail.aol.com [172.18.149.33]) by air-yc03.mail.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 May 2001 20:18:27 2000 Received: from scooby.lineone.net (scooby-s1.lineone.net [194.75.152.224]) by rly-yc01.mx.aol.com (v77_r1.36) with ESMTP; Sun, 06 May 2001 20:18:10 -0400 Received: from default (host213-123-51-236.dialup.lineone.co.uk [213.123.51.236]) by scooby.lineone.net (8.10.2/8.9.3) with SMTP id f470I5H23531; Mon, 7 May 2001 01:18:05 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000a01c0d68a$8f564340$ec337bd5@default> From: "Paul Witcomb" To: "Ella" , "Tony at college" , "Clive Witcomb at home" , "foni mitchell" Subject: What are we doing here ? Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 01:13:22 +0100 Organization: Tycoon Enterprises MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: from multipart/alternative by demime 0.97c X-Converted-To-Plain-Text: Alternative section used was text/plain Just browsing to test the search engines, and I found this... http://www.spotlight.ca/Spotlight.ca/English/2001/03/02/AnnauMar2.txt.html It appears that there may be another foni mitchell on the block (across the pond). ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 15:44:41 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: FREE Volume 17!! Jonigang, Thanks for all the guesses thus far... There are still **30** songs out there that will unseat the current champ, so if you haven't guessed yet, and you want an absolutely free copy of Covers 17, give it a go! No salesman will call, but I will bring the competition to a grinding halt at midnight Thursday. (To enter, pick a Joni song and the album it comes from...) Bob, Joni covers czar NP: Lucinda, "Joy" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:53:53 +0100 From: catman Subject: you poor peopleNJC What a dreadful catastrophe. I have just read the appalling news on netscape. Your gas price has risen to $1.72 a gallon. How appalling. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 22:17:31 -0700 From: Jan Lumholdt Subject: Re: He Blinded Her With Science? 2001-05-07 06.06, skrev Mike Hicks pe m_hicks@aiken.k12.sc.us fvljande: >> Date: Sat, 05 May 2001 17:20:22 -0700 >> Subject: He Blinded Her With Science? >> From: Jan Lumholdt >> To: , >> Reply-to: Jan Lumholdt > >> Dolby had some hard times after DED. Besides having the bad taste to involve >> himself in a movie called Howard the Duck, he also got sued by the Dolby >> noise reduction company. And he got a somewhat bad rep after the DED > > What has happened to him lately? I have two of his solo albums and > I think he is one of the great minds of the industry. His lp's get a > lot of time on my turntable. > > Mike ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 16:39:10 EDT From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Write to Joni Why bother posting to the list with your questions when you can ask Joni directly! http://www.joni-mitchell.com/ Check out the message board...hey, there's one from Willy the Shake! Bob NP: Moby Grape, "Hey Grandma" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 17:08:32 -0400 From: "Victor Johnson" Subject: Re: Write to Joni They certainly don't give you much to choose from in their song contest. I wouldn't have selected any of their choices. Victor...wondering what my top ten favorite Joni songs are... Victor Johnson http://www.cdbaby.com/victorjohnson "Just beyond the morning falls the river of your dreams, Escaping from the day these wild creatures run away." Victor Johnson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 17:30:55 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: you poor people (NJC) (md) Colin wrote: <<>> Thats OK Col ol' chap. Here are 10 ways we in the USA make up for it. 10) FREEEEEEE tartar sauce with every fish and chips we order at a fast food restaraunt. 9) Free nude photographs on the internet of our CNN TV newscasters. 8) Cars in the US sometimes go for hundreds and hundreds of miles without any oil whatsoever which saves lots of money. 7) We actually get to root for people we work with on Survivor. 6) We get to have "world championships" in several sports without actually inviting the rest of the world to play. 5) We have the distinct privilege of personally knowing the participants on the Jerry Springer Show from our own neighborhood and thus avoid having to invent or import them. 4) We have assistants to our major political leaders who get to do one heck of a lot more than kiss some stupid ring when they get on their knees in the oval office. 3) During the riots we have in our country we dont have to listen to the rioters singing any dumb songs WHILE they riot like they do in your country. 2) Bet you dont have Champaigne scented tampons in your country now do you. 1) One word.... Chyna. Got anything like her. Didnt think so. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 23:54:59 -0700 From: Jan Lumholdt Subject: Re: He Blinded Her With Science? > What has happened to him [Dolby] lately? I have two of his solo albums and > I think he is one of the great minds of the industry. His lp's get a > lot of time on my turntable. > > Mike >> He has been away from the music business for some time now - I think he went software. A couple of years ago he was involved in a compugraphic project that also included Jan Hammer and some other people and it didn't quite measure up to his work in the 80s, which ended satifactory with more production work for Prefab Sprout as well as good stints with Ryuichi Sakamoto and George Clinton/Parliament/Funkadelic (he can be seen in a classic Saturday Night Live episode doing "Do Fries Go With That Shake?"). Rumours of a comeback persist. May the Cube be with you! /Jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 18:30:29 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #206 Hear, hear, Mags. I feel Paprika Plains is an underrated, brilliant piece of work. It would definitely be in my JM top10. As far as comparing her 70s albums with later work, I have to agree with those who feel the Blue through Don Juan period was her highest achievement. But I also wonder if I feel that way because Joni's music changed or because I have changed and the way I relate to and rely on the music I listen to has changed. I was in my early 20s when Joni released that extraordinary series of records -- and my response to them was certainly colored by the intensity of my young adult feelings. I don't (and can't) respond to things now like I did in my 20s. Though sometimes I wish I could. Perhaps I'm not willing to make the investment of time, attention and dedication. In thinking back, I remember hours and hours and hours spent just listening to music. Today, my hours are filled with many other things. To echo a recent thread in here "...that's just the way it is." Bruce > > Date: Tue, 01 May 2001 10:51:42 -0500 > > From: mags > > To: Mike Hicks > > Subject: Re: The top 10 Joni songs... > > > what about Blue and Turbulent Indigo as well as Don Juans Wreckless Daughter and in > > this particular CD, I am drawn to Paprika Plains..what a magnificent body of work > > that song is in and of itself. > > > > Mags ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:20:16 EDT From: Kammass@aol.com Subject: Re: you poor people (NJC) (md) I have felt bad for you in the past for the heat that you get on the list, but this really seems so intentional on your part to stir things up! I really feel worse for you now. so sorry, kammy in alabammy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 18:35:04 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Write to Joni Bob wrote: > http://www.joni-mitchell.com/ > > Check out the message board...hey, there's one from Willy the Shake! > > There's also messages from a Jethro and a Homer. I always wondered if the Clampets and the Simpsons were fan's of Joni's. :~) Jimmy, hoping not to offend any Jethro's or Homer's that are on the list (and I DO know that Jethro was a Bodine) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 19:21:24 -0400 From: Bruce Kimerer Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2001 #210 > Yeah, Phil! > > Date: Sun, 6 May 2001 14:56:27 EDT > From: BachelorNumero2@aol.com > Subject: Poor Don Juan........ > > being a recently converted Joni fan I can't believe the harsh criticism that > her work has received.......ESPECIALLY "Don Juan's Reckless > Daughter".................I've got two words....."PAPRIKA PLAINS" !!!!! > OMG, that song is breathtaking!!!!!!! and there are several great songs on > the album (Cotton Avenue, Jericho,Dreamland,Silky Veils of Ardor, and even > slightly weaker songs "Otis and Marlena", "Off Night Backstreet", "Talk to > Me" still approach the level of excellence that most performers don't ever > reach!!! > > > My opinion of Paprika Plains has already been submitted. But I'd like to add that the sequence of Otis & Marlena, The Tenth World and Dreamland is one of my favorites (though the 10th World to my ears goes on for about 3 minutes too long). O&M in particular is wonderfully, trenchantly cinematic. (I have a special fondness for JM's third person story songs.) And Dreamland makes me jump up and dance every time. These tracks, along with Paprika Plains, seem to me almost like an album within an album. They were, if I remember right, sides two and three of the double record set. There's something about the sweep and scope of these four songs that really gets to me. From the Canadian prairie to Miami Royal to the Southern American jungles...as native peoples trade in their beads for bottles supplied by all us fatted flakes as we push our recline buttons down safely esconced in dreamland. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 9:17:22 +1000 From: john low Subject: njc ken nordine Hello kammy, Ken Nordine has recently been discussed on another list Im subscribed to. While I knew he had recorded that album with Garcia and Grisman, who were both fans, and that he had been popular in America in the 1950s, that was about all I knew. Id never heard any of his work. However, a friend on this other list has since sent me a copy of "Devout Catalyst" and a selection of tracks from his "Word Jazz" recording from the 1950s. Ive only been listening to it for a short time but Im finding a lot in it to enjoy. His talent for playing with rhyme and the sound of words is great. In places he sounds almost like a Beat Dr. Seuss! If you stick his name in a search engine you will come up with quite a number of references, including some good interviews. Let me know if you have trouble findng anything. Cheers, John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:32:17 EDT From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy jmdler - NJC Hell wrote: > I am one VERY happy kiwi today! Just found out I've won a t-shirt on > Richard Isen's site - persistance pays off, I've been spinning that wheel > every day for weeks! And today "I" just received my free CD of Richard's that I won on his site also!! Thanks, Richard!! YEEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 19:33:12 EDT From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics In a message dated 5/7/01 9:58:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << > I don't think having/being is important. She's merely taking two words and turning the connotations we ascribe to them around. We think of benefactors as positive things but Joni describes them as having 'perils' whereas parasites usually bring to mind ugly images and Joni says they are (or can be) blessings. Nothing is completely black or white. There are at least two sides to everything in Joni's mind. >> One of the problems of this world, is too many people want to over simplify life, deny the complexity and ambiguity of everyone and everything. There at least 10 sides to every person and every story. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 16:50:12 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Roberto, help! (NJC) Hi Roberto! I put your snail address in a safe place - so safe I can't find it! Let me have it and I'll get some photos to you. - -- ######################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://www.cpmusic.com/scdh "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 08 May 2001 01:08:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics > One of the problems of this world, is too many people want to over simplify > life, deny the complexity and ambiguity of everyone and everything. There at > least 10 sides to every person and every story. too true and the biggest problem is people not only don't understand themselves, the don't want to. It is much eaiser to look for the problem outside of themselves. - -- bw colin BRO GC, 950i 940,864, 260, 890,Silver 830 and 270, Passap 6000 Duo80 colin@tantra.fsbusiness.co.uk http://www.geocities.com/tantra_apso/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 07 May 2001 20:03:57 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: New article, and thanks Joniphiles - There's an interesting new article from January of 1969 on the JMDL site at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/docs/690111wm.cfm Many rare (to me, at least) photos! Also, I want to thank all who have typed up articles for us over the past few months. Collectively, they have added about 80 articles to the JMDL database since the beginning of the year: Helen Adcock Cassy Jeff Clark Rob Ettridge Diane Evans Lori Fye Judy Haugh Kate Alison Lucas Mags Catherine McKay Lindsay Moon Patricia O'Connor Mary Pitassi Lori Reason Les Ross Marian Russell Anne Sandstrom Janine Sherman Cecelia Sonsini My apologies if I left anyone out. Thanks folks! Les NP: Eva Cassidy "Tall Trees in Georgia" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 7 May 2001 23:30:27 -0400 From: "Nikki Johnson" Subject: RE: hi y'all/People's Parties (sjc) As a corrupted Northerner, I have a confession for Y'ALL (bad habit I picked up in the south...lol!) that the 1st time I heard People's Parties was Friday night oh around 12:00 midnight when Paz played it and everyone stood around singing. I didn't have Court & Spark (yikes!) So WHAT an introduction to that song...as we were laughing it all away.... Sitting there absorbing the lyrics and music the company and atmosphere (a lot to take in btw...in a good way! lol) it really struck me because I am one to go to a party and look at it like that, and always have been. People say I think too much..lol...but it just really struck me. I suppose another of those I can't believe someone wrote what I feel moments. I've always got the sense of uneasiness with the pretentiousness as well as kind of a thrill or urge to be part of it on some level, to be able to just go and laugh and joke. Love Nikki "Dream on but don't imagine they'll all come true...Vienna waits for you" ~ Billy Joel > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of > Hi Kathryn, and welcome to the bunch! As a southern boy in the > US, it's nice to see someone else using "y'all"! > > As for People's Parties, it's not old ground here at all. In > fact, it seems like no matter how many times we've looked at & > examined Joni's songs, a new voice will bring a new perspective, > so your thoughts and questions should be greeted with open arms... > > Like Mike said, Joni sings "Jack behind his joker & stone-cold > Grace behind her fan", and it has been suggested that Joni's > referring to Jack Nicholson and Grace Slick, but I've never seen > that substantiated, even though it makes sense. > > She does introduce the song in a couple of her 1974 shows by > talking about going to a party and being surrounded by > superficiality...see-through white wine, see-through glass > tables, and see-through people. > > I think she was just expressing her discomfort with the > pretentiousness of it all. > > Again, welcome, and keep those posts coming! > > Bob > > NP(Now Playing): Midnight Oil, "One Country" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 16:22:44 +1000 From: "frank caldwell" Subject: THE PHONE BOOK G'DAY FROM DOWN UNDER,LISTENING TO THE RADIO THIS MORNING THEY PLAYED JONI SINGING COME IN FROM THE COLD,WHEN IT ENDED THE ANNOUNCER PROCLAIMED SHE COULD LISTEN TO THAT WOMAN SING THE PHONE BOOK. GOOD HEALTH:FHEJIRA@BIGPOND.NET.AU ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 8 May 2001 18:34:16 +1200 From: "hell" Subject: Re: jonis best album/s&l lyrics Ron wrote: > i really find it impossible to believe that in all the talk about "best" > albums, no one has mentioned shadows & light > > am i in a minority of 1 on this?? No! One of my favourites too, but I thought it might be a bit over the top to list all 20-odd albums as my favourite! Honestly, the line between 1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc. is so thin, that it's near invisible, and on any given day, mainly depends on the mood I'm in when I pick one! > tho i must add that i dont really think that any album can be categorised as > *best*, but it can be categorised as "as favourite and most relevant to me" Absolutely - which was kind of my point in my last post, although I didn't say it (OK, so I'm stupid)! > and as for those who favour the older works, perhaps i could very loosely > quote a song sung by joan baez (i know the lyric, and the tune, but have no > clue as to what song/album - go figure!!) > > "theres a comfort in the teaching of the old familiar songs...." > (and a sorrow in repeating all the old familiar wrongs) Janis Ian - Light a Light. Great song from her album "Between The Lines". She (like Joni, but not quite "up there") has written some great lyrics over the years. > and on the subject of s&l and lyrics HELP!! > > is it > > the perils of (having/being) benefactors > the blessings of (having/being) parasites > > or is it a case of joni putting in a dual meaning so the listener can take > whichever is relevant to them, while only she knows which is relevant to her > personally?? Who knows? Like Joni says, "Who cares what it means to me, what does it mean to YOU." But I think you summed it up in that last sentence! Hell NP: The cat, trying to "hide" under my chair, which doesn't really work, since his backside is half-way out. I think he's working on the theory that if he can't see me, I can't see him. I wish he'd act his age - in cat-years he's about 95 - it's very tiring! ____________________________ "To have great poets, there must be great audiences too." - Walt Whitman hell@ihug.co.nz Hell's Personal Photo Page: http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~hell/main/personal.htm Visit the NBLs (Natural Born Losers) at: http://www.nbls.co.nz ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2001 #211 ***************************** ------- Post messages to the list by clicking here: mailto:joni@smoe.org Unsubscribe by clicking here: mailto:joni-digest-request@smoe.org?body=unsubscribe ------- Siquomb, isn't she?